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Took delivery of the 130TDi yesterday and what a car!
I was stuck in traffic for half an hour leaving the dealers which was frustrating but the first time I let the car go, Oh boy!. With only quarter throttle it just catapulted forward and I just thought 'this is going to be fun'.
One thing that is wrong with the car and I would appreciate everybodies opinion on this, is that SEAT ballsed up at the factory and put an 'SE' badge on the back (YES it is defo a Sport!). The thing is should I have this removed or leave it be in what I would call STEALTH mode, what do you think?
Interestingly the anti-hijack feature is enabled on the car (ie. doors lock above 5mph), is this the norm with everybodies?
I will post pics of the car shortly but let me thank everybody out there for convincing me to go for it.
:cheers:
Glad you like, we told you so :D
As for the badge, might be fun to have it badged as an SE, give a few other drivers a suprise of off the lights.
However, my personal preference would be to have the proper badge on it it :)
Nice!
:cool:
I'd remove the SE and just leave it as "TDI" personally.
Saw an integrale in the late 80's with "turbodiesel" badging in place of the integrale badges. Thought it was superb! :)
LEO LION R
01-11-2002, 11:41
Gawd that looks awful mate ;) JJ
Lurverly and a good colour for the beezer, and TD i would look better on it's own (as mik)
:cheers:
<Drums fingers on desk, picks up phone and rings to find out where mine is>
The anti hi-jack sounds very handy.
I'd pull the SE and just stick with TDi. Use a hair dryer on a very low heat and the glue should melt (assuming it's glued on!).
Nice one M8. That would have been my first choice of colour.
I'd take the SE badge off (I might take all of mine off).
Not getting mine 'till Sunday now because of sodding work.
Anyone know the answer to Ace's locking question?
Fen
I certainly havent noticed the locking feature on mine - I take it you can hear the clunk as they lock?
LEO LION R
01-11-2002, 13:38
dave99 - would there not be a visual check as well, with the butons popping down ?
:cheers:
Yup! when you hit 5mph you hear a clunk and all the buttons go down. It's sometimes anoying when you have a passenger that wants to get out, you have to press the unlock button on the drivers door but I suppose I will soon get used to it. A good feature I think in this day and world.
This is a feature on the Leon that can be accessed by using the VAG on it.
Nice car btw.....
Excellent Aceman, she certainly looks well, 'tis a very nice colour that one. The surge on quarter throttle is good, I just hope that full throttle is as good as we think (hope?) it will be. I'm up to 500 miles now.
Would definitely take the SE off otherwise the daft folk may think you're trying to badge up an SE with the TDi badge. Mine just says TDi. The normal SE just says TDi
Interesting about the auto-locking though, mine doesn't have that. I'm not sure whether I want it or not, I may get the dealer to have a look at it. Maybe it's a change introduced at the factory.
What are your thoughts on the interior quality etc and other things as discussed on the forum.
By the way, does anyone know how to turn the TCS off, 'cos mine is always on regardless or whether I press the button or not.
Not sure where I got this from, but I seem to remember someone saying that TCS is always on - pressing the button to 'turn it off' just tones it down a bit (I could be way off here - but it rings a bell :-)
I think the EDL is always on, but when I press the TCS button nothing happens, it says in the manual that the warning light on the dash should come one. I've tried it when stood still and on the move and nothing ever happens. I've still got an airbag fault with my car so maybe this is messing it up somehow.
Did you get a manual for the stereo/CD player with your car, I never got anything? Does it exist?
I got a manual for the stereo so I would contact Thornes and get them to order one for you!
I haven't played with the traction control yet so don't know if it switches off yet, I will let you know.
tony4563
02-11-2002, 17:57
Nice one Aceman, happy motoring ;) I agree with everyone...take the SE off. I love mine. Great performance. I wanna change the CD system though. I find it lacking. Is it the head unit that's crap? Is it the speakers? Is it both? Anyone got round to changing thiers? If so, what do you recommend to fit in with the cars interior? ie... illumination.
I get mine in 16 hours (not that I'm counting). I stopped by to have a look this afternoon as I was driving down the M5 and I hadn't seen a new Beezer in Ovni; very yellow, luvverly.
Anyhow I will be changing the head unit for a Pioneer I have, so I can fit my DAB tuner, and I can let you know (I may bang the head unit in tomorrow and connect the DAB and CD changer next weekend).
Now a question from me: The DAB has it's own aerial (identical to many Honda's that have them as an option) that is intended to be fitted as a bee-sting. Now the Ibiza has a bee-sting already, so what's the advice on the second antenna, remove the FM one and fit an alternative (only required for traffic info), fit it in front of or behind the standard one, or fit it at the front. If option 1, does anyone know of a good screen-mount or similar FM aerial?
Where does the GPS antenna go if you order sat-nav?
TIA
Fen
Mmmm, hard one, I would change the factory fit for the DAB one. I presume the DAB aerial must be wider band to accomodate the higher bandwidth required for digital audio. As far as the sat-nav aerial is concerned my Bro' has this on his Toledo V5 and the aerial is incorporated in the base of the radio aerial (large round bulge).
Hope this answers your questions.
Originally posted by mikiew
I think the EDL is always on, but when I press the TCS button nothing happens, it says in the manual that the warning light on the dash should come one. I've tried it when stood still and on the move and nothing ever happens. I've still got an airbag fault with my car so maybe this is messing it up somehow.
Did you get a manual for the stereo/CD player with your car, I never got anything? Does it exist?
I hit the TCS button whilst out on my test drive and the yellow light on the dash came on (and stayed on). It does sound like a fault...
Cheers Chris I'll get them to have a look at it (TCS) next week sometime. I'll order the stereo manual too thanks Aceman.
RB5 bet you can't wait.
Aceman, just a thought but whilst I'm still running in I treat it very gently until the oil temp is right up - this seems to take around ten mins but I think it's worth it. I always idle for 2-3 mins after a journey too just to let the oil circulate and cool the turbo for a while. I read previously that you should try and drive the last few miles of a journey off-boost but I got a few hills near me and driving around at 1500 rpm is not practical.
I'm not sure if this is really required or not, probably won't bother after the 1000 miles is up.
Yeh, I've been doing the same with the oil temp but thanks for the advice.
Regards the 'SE' badge, I think I will remove it but out of curiosity what should it say? I seem to remember the demo at JCT had 'STDi' (no spaces) on the back. I agree with most of you just 'TDi' looks best.
Mikiew, sorry to hear you are having problems with yours. Hope you get them sorted soon.
tony4563
02-11-2002, 22:32
Aceman..That extra S was stuck on deliberatly by Mick the JCT salesman.What do you think of the sound system?
Originally posted by aceman
I presume the DAB aerial must be wider band to accomodate the higher bandwidth required for digital audio.
No idea what the DAB aerial is tuned for. It's about 20cm long by 1cm thick, and has a much thinner cable than a regular FM aerial(still just co-ax however), with a screw-in connector. I assumed this meant that it was more sensitive to a bad connection, but the aerial I got for the Scooby had the wrong connector and I 'temporarily' butchered it and taped it onto the DAB tuner input, which worked so well that it stayed that way until this afternoon when I took it all out. I'm doubtful that I can get an FM signal out of it as well as DAB, but it's worth a go I guess.
I favour replacing the original as well, but I still need FM for traffic reports and DAB blackspots like the bottom of the M42.
I guess I could always mount a telescopic in the front wing;)
Fen
Tony, that makes sense as I thought it didn't quite look right with the 'S'. By the way, when I went to test drive the car last Saturday I couldn't because somebody had bought it and Mick was gutted. As regards the stereo - what stereo? it was missing, removed for another car I was told.
RB5, solution! you can get an aerial that is both AM/FM and DAB and looks like the original one on the Ibiza. It's not cheap at £82.10 + VAT but it's exactly what you are looking for. You can get it from a company called CPC based in Preston Tel. No. 08701 202530. They also have a website here (http://www.cpc.co.uk) just type in the following part No's. in the search box;
AP00867 - Aerial
AP00868 - DIN lead
AP00869 - Super low loss lead
You should be able to order over the phone but if you have any trouble PM me as I have a trade account with them and I'm sure we can sort something out.
Hope this sorts you out.
Originally posted by mikiew
Cheers Chris I'll get them to have a look at it (TCS) next week sometime. I'll order the stereo manual too thanks Aceman.
RB5 bet you can't wait.
... whilst I'm still running in I treat it very gently until the oil temp is right up - this seems to take around ten mins but I think it's worth it. I always idle for 2-3 mins after a journey too just to let the oil circulate and cool the turbo for a while. I read previously that you should try and drive the last few miles of a journey off-boost...
I'm not sure if this is really required or not, probably won't bother after the 1000 miles is up.
As i understand it, the bearings in a turbo are pressure fed oil from the engine so in other words the they only get an oil supply when the engine is running. As a turbo at full boost will run at something like 120000rpm, this is why it is recommended that the engine is left to idle for a minute or so. i.e the turbo still gets lubrication at the bearings while it slows down. The same can be said of when the engine is started...spooling up should be avoided until the oil has circulated the engine so as to make sure there is an adequate supply of oil to the turbo. The engine should always be treated this way, even after the crucial running in period
hope this is of some help :)
Cheers Jono, looks like a definite good idea then.
Do you think idling for 2 mins is long enough, I suppose it is? Seen a lot of turbo-timers mainly on Jap import Toyota's etc but I think this is probably overkill on our cars, these are 240bhp MR2s and 450bhp Supras.
Yea im pretty sure that 2 mins would be enough. I guess a lot of it would depend on if the car has been driven hard just prior to stopping, but under normal circumstances i try to drive on low revs for the last 1/2 mile or so to make sure the turbo isnt spinning like mad!! if you drive on hilly roads on the approach to home then you wont be able to help it spooling, so a little extra idle wont hurt!
Sound advice Jono. There was a sticker in my Scooby instructing you to idle the engine for a minute after hard driving to let the oil in the turbo cool.
I used to give it at least three or four minutes after a very hard x-country blast.
Originally posted by aceman
RB5, solution! you can get an aerial that is both AM/FM and DAB and looks like the original one on the Ibiza. It's not cheap at £82.10 + VAT but it's exactly what you are looking for. You can get it from a company called CPC based in Preston Tel. No. 08701 202530. They also have a website here (http://www.cpc.co.uk) just type in the following part No's. in the search box;
AP00867 - Aerial
AP00868 - DIN lead
AP00869 - Super low loss lead
You should be able to order over the phone but if you have any trouble PM me as I have a trade account with them and I'm sure we can sort something out.
Hope this sorts you out.
Ace, you are a star. The Pioneer aerial is £50 anyhow, so this one is twice the price to avoid drilling holes in my new car, and it won't advertise the DAB is inside; worth it. I'll order one tomorrow.
Well, I got the car today and I think I need to give it more time before I make my mind up. When I left Cheltenham and got on the M5 I thought I'd made a huge mistake. The further down the motorway I got the happier I became, but it needs more in 6th. Also disappointing was the trip's insistence that I was hovering between 39.7 and 40.3 mpg for the journey. I tried to max it once (gave up at 120 although it was still pulling because I caught up on a few cars - for legal reasons I must point out that that is of course untrue;) ) but otherwise it was 95 to start, then dropped back to 85-90 to see if I could get over 40mpg.
It is very nippy in 4th and below and the change is sweet, if a bit long after a Prodrive quickshift. Seats lack under thigh and lumbar support (so I agree with you there Dave). I think I need cruise because I'm going to get thigh cramp holding my foot high on the light throttle. There's no forgetting it's a diesel though, with a tell-tale rattle even when it's warm and even a vibration through the clutch pedal at traffic lights.
Sorry to say that, like most turbos I've driven, everything happens in the first 1/4 throttle travel, so there is not much more to come between there an WOT.
The radio is crap, but the CD player sounds much better, so I'm hopeful that the speakers will be OK with a better head unit. I didn't fit mine today because I didn't have time to fit the changer as well and I didn't want to spend the week with no DAB nor CD's.
My wife said, unprompted, that the alloys are horrible (I agree) so that should be the green light for a set of anthracite superlegg's, which will need some of that air between the tyres and the arches removed, and I still want it chipped. I need to see better economy than it's suggesting at the moment though; maybe I just need to learn to drive a diesel?
Anyhow, provided I can start to see high 40's per gallon on the motorway (perhaps it needs to loosen up a bit more; it's showing 5,200-ish) then I'll be happy with it; pretty much what I expected I guess.
Fen
After not really washing the 1,000s of spokes on the leon cupra these new wheels are good. In fact I still haven't washed them at 5k+.
Mileage seems to improve all the time (is yours the one with 5k already?).
I went from having cruise to without so far and to be honest, I don't have a problem, I did with the leon.
Go and buy yourself a nice bit of £2.50 foam, tilt the seat forward, grab the seem and pinch it together - takes 2 seconds to do and then you can shove some foam up there.
Originally posted by DaveP
After not really washing the 1,000s of spokes on the leon cupra these new wheels are good.
That's half the reason for anthracite; there's a real danger that my TDi will only ever be washed by SEAT dealers (assuming I can find one that washes as part of a service).
I feel a bit like I've borrowed my Mum's car in the Ibiza at them moment, and I need to make it a bit more aggressive. I know that's probably sad, but there it is.
I'm on 5,200 or so just now. Hopefully it will improve aas it loosens up, but IIRC you have 5,000 ish on yours, drive at the speeds I do and return more like 48 than 40?
Fen
Glad to be of help Fen, like I said if you have any trouble ordering because you don't have an account let me know and we can arrange something.
Yup, so similar mileage.
Wet computer read 10% less -why - no idea! Friction? Nah. Makes no sense to me.
instantaneous readout in the dry :
95mph - 45+mpg
100 - 41
100-110 - 36
WOT - single figures :-)
I have taken mine up to 120mph, quite pleased how stable it was. Find it wants to cruise at 95mph, but that adds minutes to the journey ;)
really jumps up when I do 90mph around the M25 and 50mph thru the A3 speed cameras.
Auto-locking can be enabled by the dealer/VAG-COM person.
You took a BIG jump from a scooby to an ibiza. Just keep thinking of the savings... I have not had a tank at less than 40+mpg. My figures are screwy for the last few tanks because of the expansion filler button (it really takes ages to fill up when using the button).
Wheels, to be honest the wheels are one it's more redeeming features. I don't think they are the nicest looking cars on the road, but the nice thing about that is - nobody will notice you. Stereo, maybe evening speeding, who knows.
Got to get some "special" PD oil this week, could do with a top up.
I'm up to Manchester in the morning so I'll see how it goes then, but I'm sure my instant readouts weren't as good as yours. It's difficult to maintain a constant 95 or whatever though.
I was very pleansantly surprised how stable it was at 120 as well, far better than the Scooby was at 140 on the way up; it got very light and I backed off.
Since my car is Ovni it isn't ever going to blend into the traffic. I just think it looks a bit shopping car after the colour has turned heads.
I know it was a big step back from the Scoob, but as long as the savings are as big as I anticipated then I'm happy.
Fen
Just thought I'd post an update with my feelings after the trip to Manc, especially as it's more positive.
The journey is about 260 miles and for the whole trip the computer showed 48.3mpg average (90-95mph until traffic slowed me down and including 45 mins of congestion into the city centre). I filled up at Hilton Park services with BP diesel (just over £30 @ 79.9p; didn't play with the overfill button this time) and reset trip 2, which was showing 54.x until I hit the traffic and still has 50.2 for the tank (70-80 miles). It is also showing 330 miles left, which was what the car showed when I picked it up. I'm now thinking it wasn't quite full when I got it and also that it may have had Tesco or similar diesel in it, which didn't burn so efficiently. Needless to say I'm happy with the economy now. I think maybe I was a bit lead footed for a TDi yesterday (and it was wet, so maybe my trip shows poorer economy then too?) I'm running with the climate on 'auto', not 'econ' BTW.
I'm also happier with the go in 6th; it's actually quite good. I was literally just out of the Scooby yesterday and haven't driven a diesel for almost 2 years, so I probably wasn't being fair on the car. Everything still happens in the top 1/4 of throttle travel however.
The radio is crap; being male I am genetically incapable of reading the instruction book, but I can't set an independent volume for traffic reports, and since Radio 4 broadcasts quieter than all other stations, all the traffic announcements blared in. The display also (fairly unhelpfully) says 'traffic ann' or something when I'm used to my Pioneer telling me the station so I can elect not to listen to it if I'm already through that area. Finally, the buttons are too small and it doesn't sound great as we discussed before, although noticeably better with CD's it's still a harsh souning unit.
The seat is almost as uncomfortable as I'd feared; not crippling, but I'm suffering more than I did after the Scooby's excellent seat (and the 944T's as well). Maybe I'll get used to it as a mate tells me you have to do with Audi seats (the most uncomfortable modern cars I've ever driven), but it'll never hold me in properly, which dents my confidence for chucking the thing around to test the handling.
Otherwise, and overall, it's a BIG thumbs up to the little yellow fella then. I'd therefore like to add my thanks to Aceman's to those of you who took the plunge first and commented favourably enough to make me buy the Beezer rather than a Leon Cupra.
Problems to report however are a squeak, I think from the back seat, an airbag light that didn't go off today (same as your's mikiew? If so my TCS button works OK) and a driver's headrest that drops back into the seat all by itself after being adjusted.
I got some oil from the dealer on saturday - it cost about 7.50 a litre. Level was just below the min mark (after 3300 miles) and about 3/4litre topped it up.
The traction control makes a huge difference in this car. whilst doing the autotest at alconbury I managed to wheel spin in 3rd gear without it on. anti-hijack feature is annoying for passengers but good if you drive on your own a lot. handling is great for standard suspension.
Damn I love my car
except for the plastic dash. Its crying out for a retrim.