Flip Key Testin and Myths [Archive] - SEAT Cupra.net

Funkyfin2000

22-11-2006, 16:45

Well peeps,

theres been another thread on this forum on another mark and ive been following it with regard to flip keys...

theres been some talk from some people that 434mhz and 433mhz flip keys will work with the mk3 seat ibiza!

I can confirm it doesn't work.

Bought myself 2 434mhz VW keys and they won't programme to the car...

only the seat alhambra key seems to work...

has anyone else got any info about it?

apparantly according to Spareman on here 433 and 433.92 and 434 are all the same mhz keys.......so this is why some people on the leon forum etc are reporting 433mhz and 434mhz keys working as flip keys...

I think the ibiza mk3 has to use siemens flip keys.......

Anyone else have any info?

Rich

acidstrato

22-11-2006, 20:39

i could have told u 434MHz is not 433.92

JIMYU

22-11-2006, 20:45

vw sharon works aswell i heard

AndyC567

22-11-2006, 21:04

Well, on my Toledo which has a 433 Mhz key, I can confirm that a 434 Mhz key also works..

So what is different between a Toledo and an Ibiza in the key department ?

acidstrato

22-11-2006, 21:16

well for a starter...a toledo isnt an ibiza...
your car is built on the mk4 platform, the ibiza is not, in essence, its a polo

Funkyfin2000

22-11-2006, 21:57

well.....spareman tells me 433 and 434 are all the same mhz....just rounded up or down..... basically.....

so exactly....some people are reporting 434 &433 keys are working

daveyonthemove

22-11-2006, 22:01

They both work on the Leon as i did this last night.
Not sure why an Ibiza would be different, but if you have found it doesn't work then it's worth making Ibiza owners know so they don't waste time and money finding out the hard way.

SpareMan

23-11-2006, 09:16

Funky, if its not working its not down to the frequency.
Either it must be programed differently or simply some keys are not compatable

Funkyfin2000

23-11-2006, 09:18

Yeah i think i might make a guide on flip keys for mk3 owners....see if people are interested.....

thanks spareman :) appreciate your help

acidstrato

23-11-2006, 09:35

a guide could be handy but at the same time i dont think theres much too it to warrent a guide..perhaps a sticky by someone who has done it and not just removed the chip from a spare set.

AFAIK you MUST get a fob with a 433.92 transmitter, no other will work. then get this coded to your own vehicle. I dont know whether the method used to recode original keys works or if it has to be taken to a dealer, which will cost about 40quid probably. the blade itself also has a code for the immobiliser although i do believe any decent keymakers can do this?

Funkyfin2000

23-11-2006, 09:37

you have to use a 433.92 transmitter as found out..

but people get confused about the immobliser and the central locking...

and the transponder stuff...

getting a sticky would be a good idea to make sure people stop asking and get confuwsed! :D

JIMYU

23-11-2006, 10:50

Albrahambra key - 7M3959753 433.92mhz

thats the best one to get

Funkyfin2000

23-11-2006, 10:53

yeah forsure :D

Jammy

24-11-2006, 23:17

The Mk 3 key can be found on ebay for about £20.

You can take them from the VW Sharan, Ford Galaxy or Alhambra.

Mine is a ford one, causes confusion if you leave the keys with a garage :)

JAmes

Craig!

25-11-2006, 02:41

The Leon most likely has a more advanced system that allows a few frequencys, however the Ibiza is 433.92 only.

Funkyfin2000

25-11-2006, 09:32

yeah you could be right......433.92 and siemens only for a mk3 ibiza!

vw sharon flip or alhambra flip only!

i don't want a ford key with my seat!

SpareMan

25-11-2006, 11:18

The Leon most likely has a more advanced system that allows a few frequencys, however the Ibiza is 433.92 only.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, don't confuse the issue. 433.92 IS THE ONLY FREQUENCY, anything that says 433 or 434 on it still transmits at 433.92. Some parts knock off the.92, others round it up o 434 but the frequency is 433.92

Funkyfin2000

25-11-2006, 11:24

so therefore, by conclusion it would appear that because all frequencys are the same.....

then.....it because the ibiza uses Siemens and the others all use HELLA.....

Can anyone confirm the VW Sharon Flip key uses Siemens? that would then confirm it?

AndyC567

25-11-2006, 12:00

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, don't confuse the issue. 433.92 IS THE ONLY FREQUENCY, anything that says 433 or 434 on it still transmits at 433.92. Some parts knock off the.92, others round it up o 434 but the frequency is 433.92

I am with Spareman on this...

I thought the same for my Tolly, but after trying various keys, I can confirm that all work ok irrespective of whether marked 433 or 434 Mhz..

I would of thought it was the same for the Ibiza, as I can't see SEAT or VW implementing different systems across their range !

I have even sync'ed my 433 Marked key with my dads Polo, just to show how easy it is !!

Funkyfin2000

26-11-2006, 09:53

yeah but the problem is with the mk3 ibiza is the keys are SIEMENS keys on them for the originally....

the 433 and 434 vw ones and seat leon keys are HELLA's!

There fore they don't work on mk3 ibiza!!!!!

acidstrato

26-11-2006, 10:20

JMS

27-11-2006, 22:10

Where can i get the SEAT emblem (logo) for one of these keys? I read a post on here refering to a part number for it but SEAT say that the number don't exist. Does anyone have a spare they wanna sell?

TllEWL

27-11-2006, 22:26

...the blade itself also has a code for the immobiliser although i do believe any decent keymakers can do this?

Not being deliberately picky (well, I am but this threads all about clearing up confusion) but the key blade itself is just a strip of metal AFAIK

There's a little electrical do-hicky about the size of a grain of rice which is hidden on the opposite side to the flip button (prise out the badge and unscrew the top half of the fob to see the bit I mean) which as I understand it talks to the immobilizer

... and then there's the half with the buttons that works the central locking (on 434~MHz frequency)

If any of the above is incorrect, I'd like to know cos I was hoping on just getting the key blade cut to match my existing locks and using a new keyfob with a different engine and ECU

Also, what is it that SEAT (or any VAG dealer) do when they charge you for the code to put in VagCom for coding keys ?? Cos it sounds like Timpsons can code the immobiliser chips :confused:

Funkyfin2000

04-12-2006, 22:21

Your right yeah and good to be picky :)

Not sure Timpsons can code it....buit will ask! Doubt it tho as involves ur clocks too!

acidstrato

04-12-2006, 22:25

There's a little electrical do-hicky about the size of a grain of rice which is hidden on the opposite side to the flip button

yeah its fitted to the key on my set...i didnt actually mean the piece of metal magically stored information :rolleyes:

AndyC567

05-12-2006, 07:24

Also, what is it that SEAT (or any VAG dealer) do when they charge you for the code to put in VagCom for coding keys ?? Cos it sounds like Timpsons can code the immobiliser chips :confused:

I have learnt alot about the subject of Key Transponders in my quest to get my flip key coded to the car..

I first read both the VIN and Immobiliser numbers from my car using the VAGCOM 'Instruments' screen.

I then spoke to my friendly dealer, who simply took the VIN and Immobiliser numbers over the phone and applied for a SKC for me on the SEAT computer system. The SKC came back from SEAT a few hours later.

I then just used VAG com and followed the Ross-Tech procedure to code an IMMO-3 car. Worked a treat (eventually!!).

On the subject of Timsons, they can't actually code the immobiliser chips, as when they put my original key in their machine, no codes could be read. The guy said this was because it was a crypto key. He demonstated what happens with a non-crypto keys by puting his own Peugot key in, and loads of numbers came up. The SEAT keys are deffo crypto Transponders, which can't be cloned.

Best of luck.

Funkyfin2000

05-12-2006, 08:42

I have learnt alot about the subject of Key Transponders in my quest to get my flip key coded to the car..

I first read both the VIN and Immobiliser numbers from my car using the VAGCOM 'Instruments' screen.

I then spoke to my friendly dealer, who simply took the VIN and Immobiliser numbers over the phone and applied for a SKC for me on the SEAT computer system. The SKC came back from SEAT a few hours later.

I then just used VAG com and followed the Ross-Tech procedure to code an IMMO-3 car. Worked a treat (eventually!!).

On the subject of Timsons, they can't actually code the immobiliser chips, as when they put my original key in their machine, no codes could be read. The guy said this was because it was a crypto key. He demonstated what happens with a non-crypto keys by puting his own Peugot key in, and loads of numbers came up. The SEAT keys are deffo crypto Transponders, which can't be cloned.

Best of luck.

Morning...

Right then this is very interesting...

can you tell me where you read the immob code off Vag.com? you say the instruments section??? hope that works for a mk3 ibiza!!!

Any help appreciated?

what dealer did you call to get the SKC as well if poss!

Cheers

Rich

Chemical Al

05-12-2006, 08:47

did the dealer charge you?

AndyC567

05-12-2006, 09:39

Right then this is very interesting...

can you tell me where you read the immob code off Vag.com? you say the instruments section??? hope that works for a mk3 ibiza!!!

Yep, if you simply connect to the Instruments Controller (can't remember its number, but 17 on my Tolly I think), both the VIN and the Immobiliser numbers are listed in the Extra's field.
Easy to spot, the VIN is 17 digits, and the immobiliser Id is 14 digits.

what dealer did you call to get the SKC as well if poss!

My car was supplied new by Listers in Coventry, so called them..
Apparently, the dealer that supplied the car is the best bet, as they should have the neccessary records, but in my case as they changed hands a few times, they didn't. Had to provide V5 doc as proof of ownership etc.

I was lucky, as was given a 4 digit SKC, so didn't need all the other rubbish (workshop code, importer code) that you need if you have a 7 digit SKC code.

Good luck with it all..

Chemical Al

05-12-2006, 10:14

i thought someone had a converter to convert 7 digit to 4 digit

Funkyfin2000

05-12-2006, 10:53

i thought someone had a converter to convert 7 digit to 4 digit

naaaa

depends on the year of ur car....think in late 2002 /2003 they changed to 7 digit ones...

mine is a 4 digit one, i may well get in contact with the original garage and have a chat with them see what they can do for me!

thanks for the info Andy!

Chemical Al

05-12-2006, 11:27

you can do 4 to 7, so why not 7 to 4?

AndyC567

05-12-2006, 17:49

i thought someone had a converter to convert 7 digit to 4 digit

Vagcom will convert the 7 digit SKC to a 4 digit one for you..

The way I understand it (and I may be wrong) is that the 7 digit SKC is just a encrypted version of the 4 digit SKC !!

I was told that to un-encrypt a 7 digit SKC, you also need the date on which it was generated, and the Workshop code and importer code of the dealer that generated it.. But as I said earlier, Vagcom will do all this for you. Only thing is, that once Vagcom has un-encrypted it for you, it doesn't actually tell you what the 4 digit SKC is, it just fills the Login box with 'XXXX'..

Whole lot af hassle really, so hope you get a 4 digit like mine, so then you don't have to bother with all that un-encrypting stuff..

Chemical Al

05-12-2006, 19:08

ahh got ya :)

Funkyfin2000

18-12-2006, 18:14

well you can't do this with a mk3....

in fact you can't access any of it with a mk3 i don't think..

deansibiza

26-02-2007, 21:05

i can confim that you can program the keycode chip with vag com on the mk3 ibiza. but you will need the 4 didgit code.

Black TDI Turbo

26-02-2007, 21:37

Just to add this, our driver at worktook a pugeout key to a local key place today to get a spare cut which we were then goin to get coded at pugeout, to his surprise the guy asked if he wanted it coding, yes obvious answer, the guy the took the key into the back room and came back out a few mins later with the key and sed there u go all done, we tried it at work and everything is all ok, ????? how is this done, the only way we could explain it at work was the guy must have a machine which reads the code off your old key somehow and then puts it into the new one, my question now being if i took him a flip key for my mk3 ibiza cupra would he be able to just read my old key and then take the info off tht to program the flip key, and im abit confused, can someone please state clearly which flip key is needed of what type of vehicle for a mk3 2000 x ibiza cupra please.

Steve GTI

26-02-2007, 22:12

All this fuss over a flip kep? LOL! It's only a key you put in and twist! Why does it need changing?

Funkyfin2000

27-02-2007, 08:48

TllEWL

27-02-2007, 09:40

I think Merc. keys are another they can just do there and then

Damn VW and their infallible security :mad:

:lol:

Funkyfin2000

27-02-2007, 10:15

hehehe

because u need the 4 digit code from the immobilizer before u can program keys.....u can't get the code out the key!

loopydoo2002

10-06-2007, 18:39

God dam, that is one - in, out and shake it all about thread. Then there is no real hard conclusion.

I take it you just need a sharan/alhambra/galaxy siemens key fob (which seem impossible to source in flip key form, any ideas on where to get one) but any how, one of these.

Then a blank cutting to match the original.

Then do the magic fiddle with the key to programme it to open and lock the car. (does this do the full business as in operating the alarm etc...?)

But then this is where i get lost, it wont start the car as the immobiliser is not programmed so can only the dealer do this? How much does it cost?

What is this skc all about, are the dealers gonna get pissy about getting it for you?

cuprachrissy

28-03-2009, 13:52

has anyone successfully done this yet to a mk3 ibiza?

CupraElliott

04-04-2009, 17:44

Yeah if so how was it done? I have a flip key sitting here.

CupraElliott

14-04-2009, 20:41

Anyone?

cuprachrissy

18-04-2009, 12:18

i have a flip key sitting and waiting!"!!

Chemical Al

18-04-2009, 13:35

its been done to a mk2 so i assume it has been done to a mk3

Chemical Al

18-04-2009, 13:37

here is the mk2 guide by tom :- http://seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=106976&highlight=flip+key

CupraElliott

18-04-2009, 14:48

Cheers Chemical Al. If I try that guide to code the key to operate my RCL will my original key still work?

Chemical Al

18-04-2009, 18:02

you need to program all the keys

chrisbond69

20-04-2009, 10:41

well im very interested in one, in fact i want one for my car as my origional key is worn, has anyone done this yes, has anyone got the number for the alhambra flip key, id like to get this done asap if possible

jerry666

21-08-2009, 10:15

So despite all the posts it seems no-one has successfully added a key to their Mk3 Ibiza?

My daughter has a Mk3 Ibiza and I would very much like to get her a key without paying the £100 charged by the stealers, that's for a so called valet key not a remote.

It seems keys may be available on Ebay (might need to have the seimans transponder chip)
For some reason the transponder should be new and not previously coded to a car.
I am sceptical about this point as I suspect the car doesn't have the ability to alter anything on a transponder chip?
Get the key somewhere (maybe Timpsons for £8ish unless you live near Litchfield)
If you have or can get the SKC IMMO3 code you might be able to use VAG-COM to add the key to your car's immobiliser.
If not your dealer will do it for you for about £45.
(In which case you may as well get it from the dealer in the first place)

I would love to hear from someone who has made it without the dealers help?