Fitting CD changer in Mk4 Ibiza

[joonspoon]

Hi folks.
I'd like some advice please.
I've recently bought a second hand CD changer, Genuine VW Matsushita 1J6035111.
Picture here. Sorry it's not great. http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n25/joonspoon_2006/SCN/CDChanger-1.jpg
It came out of a 2000 Ibiza and is in perfect working order. £40 which I thought was pretty good.

My car is a June 2006 Ibiza FR TDi pre face lift.
I'd like to fit it under the front passenger seat if there's room but the boot looks like less work.
Can I expect to find existing wiring anywhere or will I have to run cable from the head unit (Alana) to where I'm fitting the changer?
Will the connector on the cable plug straight into existing wiring or will I need to change it?

Thanks,
Guy.

[maxcars1]

There'll be no existing wiring installed for the changer. Optiones for mounting are the glove box - ideal, undertray below the drivers seat or boot. I'd prefer the glovebox. You'll also find that the headunit uses mini iso connectors, so I'm assuming the cable you'll have to source will connect to this connector at the back of your cd changer.

[joonspoon]

Thanks for the reply.

It's probably going in the boot.

I've taken the head unit out for a look. Picture 1 shows the connections at the back of the unit. I'm guessing the top block is the mini ISO bit.
The existing connector to it is a single block with 1 yellow wire which connects to the pin I've highlighted.
Picture 2 shows all 3 connectors with the one in question on the right.

I want to make sure I'm getting the proper cable. Will the item in the link do the job?
When I asked at the dealers the bloke in parts claimed that he couldn't give me a part number despite me showing him the CD changer and telling him which head unit I had. They sold me the car so should know!


Thanks, Guy.

Pic 1 http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n25/joonspoon_2006/SCN/Radioconnections.jpg

Pic 2 http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n25/joonspoon_2006/SCN/Radiocables.jpg

Link http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-CD-Autochanger-Cable_W0QQitemZ300055803908QQihZ020QQcategoryZ75307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[maxcars1]

I'm sure my Alana hasnt got the connector as shown at Pix 2 on the right. I have just fitted a mini iso into rca to drive my amp. I think you have the right lead, but that would make the large conector with the yellow lead redundant which IIRC is the romote lead on my wiring diagram. It may be that you dont need the yellow lead when installed. Hopefully soemone might come along with a second opinion - in fact I'll PM someone to have a look at your thread ;)

[Bogwoppit]

Ask the guy off ebay how many pins the black plug end of the cable has, check this with the socket on your changer.
The other end is standard and will fit your headunit.
The yellow wire you have highlighted is the remote control part of you headunit, so I guess you have steering wheel controls for your stereo.

Cannot tell from the photo if the black plug with the yellow wire splits into 3?
If it does slide the green part out from your Ebay changer lead and fit the middle part of your plug (the one with the yellow wire) in it's place.

If it doesn't split into 3, cut the yellow wire and join it to the green plug in exactly the same pin connection.

[gazjones]

has your car got steering wheel controls as that yellow wire is for that i belive but the iso should split into 3 i belive. they all slide together to make one iso as such

[gazjones]

looking at the lead off ebay that looks like my 3rd iso block blue green and yellow just remove the wire out of your 3rd iso into the same space on the wiring and all should be good

[Bogwoppit]

This diagram will help make things clearer. It identifies all the pins and what they do:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r75/peter0976/Iso1.jpg

Key:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r75/peter0976/Iso2.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r75/peter0976/Iso3.jpg

[joonspoon]

You lot are absolute stars! Thanks very much indeed! :worship: :clap: :D
The diagram is great.

Yes I do have steering wheel controls. The existing connector is solid so I'll have to move the wire into the green connector.
I'll send a message to the seller and let you know how I get on.

Again many thanks.
Guy.

[gazjones]

is it not the yellow conector in the middle glad you now know what to do to install it :thumbup:

[joonspoon]

is it not the yellow conector in the middle
Not according to the piccie on ebay. :shrug:
glad you now know what to do to install it :thumbup:

As far as I'm concerned SCN has proved what a good car forum is really all about! :)

Thank you all.
Guy.

[gazjones]

well what ever colour it is as long as you get the right pin thats all that matters isnt it you not mounting it in the glove box?

[Bogwoppit]

Ignore Gaz as he is colour blind, so am I but not as bad.
It was interesting figuring out the yellow and green Forge springs!

[gazjones]

LMAO :lol: ow yea i looked at the wire going into mine and though erm fcuk that and got new headunint so i didnt have to worry about the colour!

[Bogwoppit]

That's funny! :lol:

[joonspoon]

you not mounting it in the glove box?

Not sure if I want to fill the glove box. I know a woman who puts any amount of stuff in there. :rolleyes:

As for the ebay cable.......
Would you credit it!
Sent the seller a message, reply is it has 12 sockets (which I need) but only 9 are used and I have 10 pins connected in the plug on my changer. :cry:

I might try making my own cable. Maplin here I come! Pretty sure I've seen the connectors I need. Just a matter of working out what goes where. ;)
Watch this space.

Regards Guy.

[gazjones]

im now changing my headunit back to standard one and fitting the rca iso plug to run my sub and fitting my dads old cd changer from his leon as its going tomorrow i just need to find a lead from the headunit to the cd changer as the one in the leon was difficult to remove so we left it in,
also did the ibiza mean to have the cd changer in the glove box as there seems to be a moulding for it to sit in there!

[joonspoon]

also did the ibiza mean to have the cd changer in the glove box as there seems to be a moulding for it to sit in there!

I think it's coincidence. Factory fitted changers all seem to go in the boot. :shrug:

I'm having a heck of a job finding a plug for the socket on the changer cable.
Drew a blank at both Maplin & RS components.

Given the cost of the 3 piece mini ISO connector (about 9 quid) plus cable and CD connector (if I find it), a ready made one is looking better and better all the time. :rolleyes:

These two are currently on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-CD-CHANGER-CABLE-for-Phatbox-MFD-MCD-GAMMA-NEW_W0QQitemZ170055988066QQihZ007QQcategoryZ75307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-VW-CD-CHANGER-Phatbox-CABLE-MFD-MCD-GAMMA-5-5m_W0QQitemZ120060888595QQihZ002QQcategoryZ75327QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Wonder if they're what I need?

Guy.

[gazjones]

they look the same as the wiring in the leon of my dads the leon cd changer is in the glove box infact and its perfect fit with that changer in my glove box so its going in there for me lol

[joonspoon]

I reckon the only thing I'm going to fit is a glove box light.
Will have another look for the bits I need tomorrow but can feel an ebay moment approaching fast. :givein:
Guy.

BTW. I meant to talk to you last night but got rather involved in the general chat! I was sitting opposite Pat and next to Claire

[gazjones]

yes thought that was you i feel an ebay moment ordering the cable from germany for 18 quid if i cant whip the old one out my dads car this aft before it gets traded in might have 10 min window to do it!

[Bogwoppit]

Assuming your Dad's Leon had the changer in the glovebox the Changer loom you need to remove is an absolute b*stard.
I removed one from a Leon at a scrappie and it was a mare, had to remove nearly the whole lower dashobard on the passenger side.
Then you have to undo the original wiring loom tape because the changer loom is part of the main loom.
I would recommend buying one from Ebay.

[gazjones]

it was an option and didnt come with the car so the loom looks seperate need to find where the ground is but seen on on ebay identicle conectors from poland good feedback for about 22 quid ill have a quick go with my dads but ill be pushed for time so if its not comming out easy ill leave it

[Bogwoppit]

Even if the car doesn't come with a changer the changer loom will be there.

[gazjones]

will it ill have a look but found one on ebay 24 quid posted so ill prob go for that!

[gazjones]

Even if the car doesn't come with a changer the changer loom will be there.

peter peter peter you should have faith in me from start to finish took me 15 mins to remove the glove box take radio out remove a post trim and remove all the cd changer wiring and put it all back together saved myself 24 quid and cd changer works fine.
i have to say im impressed with the steering controls as well even controls the cd changer as well!
just waiting on my amp pre outs for the seat head unit then all will be good, standard sound is actually better through the seat head unit that the jvc!

[maxcars1]

Sounds very stealthy Gaz..........and a free cd changer. Does the changer fit in the same type of housing found in the Leon glovebox?

[gazjones]

no housing but a bit of foam underneath and on one side and its secure lol there is a weakend bit off the back of the glove box that is easily cut out to feed the wires out of the glove box! very happy with it and pre amp lead has been sent out today so all shoulds be good next week!

[Bogwoppit]

You are lucky, I was doing it in the rain, the leon's footwells were full of water and it stank of rats sh*t!
Glad you got it sorted.

[gazjones]

lol yea wouldnt have wanted to do it in the rain saved me 24 quid and got it all done today

[joonspoon]

Even if the car doesn't come with a changer the changer loom will be there.

Does this apply to the Ibiza with regard to a changer in the boot?
According to maxcars1 There'll be no existing wiring installed for the changer.......//......
If the wiring is there it'll make my life a lot easier especially if the connector for the CD changer is already fitted!

Guy.

[gazjones]

no wiring there at all its pretty simple to do actually ill get some pics of my changer when i take the head unit out again to fit my lead to run my amp

[joonspoon]

no wiring there at all its pretty simple to do actually ill get some pics of my changer when i take the head unit out again to fit my lead to run my amp

Look forward to seeing them.
Cheers,
Guy.

[Bogwoppit]

No sorry joonspoon I was referring to the Leon.

[joonspoon]

No sorry joonspoon I was referring to the Leon.

Never mind. :shrug:

Weather permitting I'm off to a local breakers Sunday to look at a Mk.3 Ibiza.
Apparently it did have a boot mounted changer so wiring may still be there (I hope).

If that fails I'm doing ebay.
I'll have spent more looking for a cheaper option than if I'd bought a new one in the first place. :doh: :rolleyes:

Guy.

[joonspoon]

It's fitted and working, plus the steering wheel controls still work! :D :D :D

Ended up buying a cable from my local dealer. Part no: 1J0051592A.

£35.00! :-o :cry:

But it was off the shelf (makes a change :shrug: ), has all 3 mini-iso plugs, genuine Seat/VAG and 10 miles up the road.

The cable from eBay with the 2 extra mini-iso's I needed plus p+p worked out at £31.00. Also 7 days delivery from Germany or Poland so no contest.
Couldn't find a 12 pin VW type connector to buy for love nor money!

Worst part was removing the existing 1 piece 20 pin connector without wrecking the remote control wire and connector.
Attacked it with a stanley knife and then some pliers.
It finally exploded and I now have small bits of plastic all over the inside of my car. :(
Never mind, will vacuum at the weekend.

Thanks to all who posted with advice. :clap:
Regards Guy.

If anyone knows of a place to get cheap 3 part mini-iso's or 12 pin VW connectors please PM me or post in a new thread.
Thanks Guy.

[gazjones]

ive got a yellow one and the blue one but there is a seller on ebay who sells the cables that also sells the mini iso's

[joonspoon]

ive got a yellow one and the blue one but there is a seller on ebay who sells the cables that also sells the mini iso's

The best I've seen is £4.00 per plug with £2.00 p+p on top of that.
A bit pricey in my opinion.
As far as I can tell you need to fit all 3 together. That way they clip in and are stable in the back of the head unit.
Guy.

[gazjones]

you can fit any my dad head unit only had the cd changer iso in it and to the other two trhe two outside ones still lock in place and are secure

[joonspoon]

I've moved the changer from the boot to the glove box.
Took the £35.00 cable back for a refund and got a shorter one for just over £21.00.
Part number 1M2 971 735.
That's better! :D

Guy.

[MattBennett]

Hi everyone. Sorry to bring this thread back from the grave, but I have not long found it. I have a FR TDi so have the Alana MP3 headunit. I also have a Nokia CK7W car kit. After finding this thread I have discovered that I can run the car kit through my head unit getting power and feeding the sound in. So at the the start of the week I went about getting me some mini iso pins. I have got 50 from Germay and as there is only 20 pins in the mini iso block I have some spare. Im going to keep 25 so that Ive a few spare incase of an accident. So that leaves 25 if any one is interested let me know.

Cheers Matt