V Tune

[smoothuk]

Ok so i searched the site and found the sum total of nothing regarding V TUNE. so thought this thread may help as someone in the same situation as myself, a novice user, who is looking for a few pointers to start using it. I am afraid i will do damage to the car if i just play with the settings. I was just after basic questions really, like can i go to 130% boost and not have to worry, or will that cause the turbo to blow? What relation do the cf readings on VAG com have to the timing, and does this vary from car to car, or is it just generic settings to the 210, 225 engine?? Anyone with any pointers would be more than welcome to post up, just to give a rough idea of how to start using it, and the safe parimeters to use...

cheers

Matt

[wild willy]

Your wasting your time mate, APR (VTUNE)is great software, However Awesome can't be asked to give anyfeedback on it. Either that or they are worried about the implications of advising on a product that can potentially destroy alot of monies worth. In this day and age of Sueing etc can you blame them. For any tuning advice best look at the sps tuning guide REVO produced.... its quite relevant.

[Ju.]

But then APR developed V-tune to work with their software, so with this in mind, The parameters it allows you to adjust should be inside safe limits even if they do put a disclaimer with it.
The Revo sps device uses a scale up to 9 , but what is 9 in relation to % of boost and degrees of timing. Knowing this would give us a benchmark to work to.

[AwesomeSarah]

Your wasting your time mate, APR (VTUNE)is great software, However Awesome can't be asked to give anyfeedback on it. Either that or they are worried about the implications of advising on a product that can potentially destroy alot of monies worth. In this day and age of Sueing etc can you blame them. For any tuning advice best look at the sps tuning guide REVO produced.... its quite relevant.

Can I remind you that you have posted this in an APR section
Sarah

[wild willy]

Can I remind you that you have posted this in an APR section
Sarah
Apologies Sarah :redface: , but it is necessary out of frustation. Awesome as a company are faultless, a place where i have recieved the best care and attention for my car and i look forward to future trade. However the lack of help or advice in the use of Vtune hasn't gone un-noticed. :(

[wild willy]

Ok so i searched the site and found the sum total of nothing regarding V TUNE. so thought this thread may help as someone in the same situation as myself, a novice user, who is looking for a few pointers to start using it. I am afraid i will do damage to the car if i just play with the settings. I was just after basic questions really, like can i go to 130% boost and not have to worry, or will that cause the turbo to blow? What relation do the cf readings on VAG com have to the timing, and does this vary from car to car, or is it just generic settings to the 210, 225 engine?? Anyone with any pointers would be more than welcome to post up, just to give a rough idea of how to start using it, and the safe parimeters to use...

cheers

Matt

130% boost would be very foolish, I'd go 106% max more like 104%. Fortunately the fueling is increased automatically with Vtune as boost is increased. timing is the only other variable that i'd fiddle with. Log with vagcom first to check your current knock values are low and adjust the timing up until you get max correction factors of 4's.
Be very respectful of the program as silly requests may end in tears.
Unless you change your turbo I'd only adjust boost and timing. Remember that APR stage 2 programs are quite agressive as standard.

[AwesomeSarah]

Apologies Sarah :redface: , but it is necessary out of frustation. Awesome as a company are faultless, a place where i have recieved the best care and attention for my car and i look forward to future trade. However the lack of help or advice in the use of Vtune hasn't gone un-noticed. :(

This is the first time (to my knowledge) that this has been brought up.
We will obviously look in to this for you , and advise where we can.
Sarah

[AndyHazza]

SmoothUk.... I will try and make a user guide for V-tune very soon. Your point has only been raised in the last week in which time there has only been myself and Sarah in the showroom, so we have been rushed off our feet. Dean is due back in this coming week so i will do my best to get one made up.

APR will put a disclaimer on there for the same reason that you mentioned there WildWilly, they are an american company and we all know the rediculous reasons that people sue each other for over there.

As for your main question about putting the boost percentage straight up to 130%, i would NEVER recommend uping it to this straight off. If you wanted to try it then you should do it in increments and see what kind of effect they have on the car. As you adjust the boost setting it also adjusts the timing settings etc.

One piece of advise i will put though, if you anyone is unsure what effect altering perameters like boost pressure, timing etc, will have on their car, whether its through V-tune or SPS3 etc, they should stay clear.

[AndyHazza]

P.S. I spoke to 'Yermother' (Simon) yesterday and asked him about using V-tune on his in relation to a hybrid turbo he put on his car. He has only ever altered his boost level by 5% and saw some amazing differences, so like i said, it should only be done in small increments.

[smoothuk]

SmoothUk.... I will try and make a user guide for V-tune very soon. Your point has only been raised in the last week in which time there has only been myself and Sarah in the showroom, so we have been rushed off our feet. Dean is due back in this coming week so i will do my best to get one made up.

Andy, thats fine mate, i was just after a bit of advice and never ment this to sound moody or annoy anyone. If you get one done that is a bonus, all i was after were a few tips etc.


I have logged on vag com my CF values on the standard st2 remap, and found that they mostly sat at 0, but on full boost, no 4 did fluctuate to 1.8 for a split second then returned to 0, i also saw on no 2 that it deviated to 0.8 then returned to 0. So i am assuming this is ok, and as long as they dont exceed 4??????? (im reading into a previous post, and ,my lack uf understanding here) that it is ok to tinker the boost up a little without adjusting the timing at all, or do i need to do these things as i am playing with Vtune and VAG COM at the same time as i increase the levels.
I will say i am more than happy with ST2 and has made a massive difference to the car, and the way the power is delivered is spot on, makes it very easy to drive, be it sensibly or slightly more spirited, im just like to know what else i can play with to get the best from my car, and my driving style.
Cheers for your help guys, it is much appreciated :)
Matt

[leon cupra r]

Andy, did you ever make a guide for V-Tune? it is only for APR maps right? but it does seem to have similar settings to unisettings, so wouldnt mind having a quick read if you do have a guide for it?

cheers

Ben

[AndyHazza]

Hi mate,

We never ended up putting a guide together for using it. The program itself is REALLY straight forward, but it should only be used by someone who understands what the alterations will do to the engine. If it has been altered, and anything happens to the engine, then it could be down to the person who has adjusted the settings (worst case :) )

[leon cupra r]

No worries mate cheers anyway! Ive had a quick play with uni settings but I only dared to change the idle just to check it worked then advanced the timing by 3degrees (vagcommed to make sure its not too far)....

darent touch any of the other variables!!

[ChrisGTL]

Hi mate,

We never ended up putting a guide together for using it. The program itself is REALLY straight forward, but it should only be used by someone who understands what the alterations will do to the engine. If it has been altered, and anything happens to the engine, then it could be down to the person who has adjusted the settings (worst case :) )

I can't get this V-Tune to work with my APR map.

The prog connects to my ECU fine, but when change a setting and click 'test' it changes the setting back to defaults.

If I change a setting and click 'set' it says I have to click 'test' first......

I've tried changing my timing by 0.75Degs with/without the engine running but I still can't get V-Tune to work.....

Any ideas?

[leon cupra r]

If its only timing youre trying to change cant you use unisettings?

[AndyHazza]

Hi Chris,

Did we activate the V-tune option on it when we did the map?? I can't remember if we did or not. We have to add it as an option when we write the program. If you are able to call down i can plug it in and check it, and re-write it with V-tune option if needed.

[ChrisGTL]

I never knew about V-Tune when I had the APR map so I didn't ask for it to be enabled.

Would you be able to activate it this Saturday if I pop down?

Cheers,
Chris

[AndyHazza]

Yeah should be fine mate. You got stage 1 or 2?

[ChrisGTL]

Stage 1 Andy. :(

I so need Stage 2 but still running the OEM downpipe :(

[DaNnY_LaD]

i have the de-cat section if you want it..Thats enough for stage 2..