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rashcupra
20-02-2007, 23:18
i have a ibiza cupra mk4 and my standard turbo is on the way out (internals) so im looking for a turbo upgrade i have got about £3500 to spend.
im wanting it fully installed and remapped ive been looking at the jbs04 turbo but mike at jbs is having trouble finding a reliable bigger maf setup :( and i cant wait has any1 else with 20vt seat had a turbo upgrade and have any advise to get this turbo installed asap
thanks for looking
Triple D
20-02-2007, 23:21
caney is selling his IHI and 440cc injectors in the for sale section for £700 and thats delivered. well worth it mate, fook jbs and there jbs04 conversion as its not worth the time or day imho. Extreamly over rated.
rashcupra
20-02-2007, 23:35
im not really wanting a second hand turbo :( i looked on that website you requested but they only do BIG turbos didnt mention seats what turbos have you heard people have put on their mk4 20vt ?
Triple D
20-02-2007, 23:43
Well tbh, your one of the first petrol ones to go BT, but IHI is a common one, gt28rs, a friend of mine was gonna put a gt35rs on his cupra but sold it and is gonna put it on his TT now.
rashcupra
21-02-2007, 00:01
i feel like im wasting my time most the time i just want to find a company that will fit a slighly more powerful turbo onmy car but its not that simple i cant find anything on google and havent ever seen any1 with a bigger turbo on the mk4 :( ssssssssooooooo much hassle if it was your car and your money honestly what would you do?
Triple D
21-02-2007, 00:05
Honestly, get in touch with MRC. seen there S4 in operation at the engine advantage rolling road day and also being in caney's tt first hand i know that they know there stuff. Give them a call, tell them that steve cane had advised them for you and ask them what they can offer you. Tell them what set up you have, and what you have to spend.
rashcupra
21-02-2007, 00:11
would they have a turbo setup in that price bracket when i looked on the website there was only massive turbos where are they based as im south and dont want to treck across britain to get it fitted p.s cheers for your help!
rashcupra
21-02-2007, 00:15
and seemed to only do tt's and the S range?? :confused:
tommmineh
21-02-2007, 00:17
maybe have a look at UK-MKIVs rash
don't forget other cars have the same engine ;)
rashcupra
21-02-2007, 00:24
i know that but the setups are diffrent and im also wanting a company that has applyed tuning to seat@s exsperience is vital!
Triple D
21-02-2007, 00:37
and seemed to only do tt's and the S range?? :confused:
aye but the TT have a 1.8 t so similar engine to yours matey.
rashcupra
21-02-2007, 00:41
i know that obviously but its just reasuring knowing its been done to my exact car. as im prone to getting loads of problems :(
Triple D
21-02-2007, 00:49
:lol: rash stop worrying my friend, jbs havent done the jbs04 to yours, and tbh, i dont think many people have done bt to the mk4 cupra. Only the dervs which allards have done etc. call them (mrc) what harm can it do?
Well tbh, your one of the first petrol ones to go BT, but IHI is a common one, gt28rs, a friend of mine was gonna put a gt35rs on his cupra but sold it and is gonna put it on his TT now.
ahhhh good old chris lol
GT28 Eliminator, shipped from the USA, in mapping, injectors and FMIC will cost under 2500 or so.
though that is fitted yourself.
Triple D
21-02-2007, 16:05
he doesnt need a fmic, he has a huge seat sport one ;)
rashcupra
21-02-2007, 17:08
surely some1 out there has put a bigger turbo on a ibiza cupra mk4 :think:
would my internals be able to handle the gt28 turbo
triple d if jbs have done the jbs04 turbo to my car how come they cant sort out a maf sensor setup??
The MoffMeister
21-02-2007, 17:23
gt28rs would be good on your engine up to about 350bhp wouldnt go to much more or you'll melt your internals i have looked into this!!
rashcupra
21-02-2007, 17:35
iwould be looking for 300bhp not more as i dont want to go into internals !YET! what sort of price are they what maf sensor setup should i use ect ect im really just wanting to copy some1 elses setup :) so i know its reliable and effective
The MoffMeister
21-02-2007, 17:40
well you'd get up to 380 but obviously get it mapped to whatever you want it so like you say 300bhp
as for maf i know some ppl would go for an s3 or lcr maf
well all fitted gt28rs etc is about £3500 and that was through awesome gti, give them a ring very helpful guys
rashcupra
21-02-2007, 18:09
ive been told that a s3 andlcr maf sensor dont work on the beezer mk4 cupra :confused: il give awesome gti a ring tomorrow is that price all in with custom remap and all the extra turbo bits like 4bar f.p.r and fuel pump injectors ect ect
ibizacupra
21-02-2007, 18:41
its the housing you want no the sensor element itself.
keep your sensor
rashcupra
21-02-2007, 18:46
spose your right mate ^^^ i think im in need of the maf sensor housing in 3" with the diesel airbox lid off the skoda vrs or the 160pd cupra
dont see the point in going to 300bhp from 225, which isnt much of a step for the money you will pay. then go even bigger once you are at 300. its just a waste of money.
labour for a set of rods and pistons installed would be around £900 or so,
rods and pistons from the USA will be around £500 posted.
its pot luck, but you could be ok for ever with std internals, its all about peice of mind!
Triple D
22-02-2007, 08:44
what about going to 335 with the standard internals? surely 110 bhp is a big enough step up?
traumapat
22-02-2007, 09:01
you need to drive a 300bhp seat. its a huge step in power. forget the numbers. different turbo delivers the power completely differently.. changes the car.
id ring around all the tuners and get advice. find out what max bhp/torque your engine can take. is there room in the engine bay? ect..
shame your about a grand short of ihi fitted:(
The MoffMeister
22-02-2007, 16:20
what about going to 335 with the standard internals? surely 110 bhp is a big enough step up?
that would melt the standard internals spanny!!
that would melt the standard internals spanny!!
std internals would be fine for many many 1000s of miles running that power.
LOADS are running over 350bhp for 1000s of miles on vortex, LOADS are still running fine, some have threw a rod.
as i said its peice of mind, and pot luck.
peice of mind, and the fact i am going to bore, port and polish the head is the reason i am getting mine done.
i want to take the car to the track so im getting lots done inc diff new valves etc.
The MoffMeister
22-02-2007, 16:31
well im only going by what most tuners and awesome have said, mind you, you wanna pay £1800 for new engine, then say you get seat to do it your looking at £3500, this has happened to me, but under warrenty lol
yes like i sad peice of mind.
or just save a but of money every month for your rebuild, once you got enough get the engine done.
if it does blow at least you could buy a 2nd hand engine, get it built, then swapped. which i dont think will cost much more.
even better get the engine shipped to you then build the engine youself in your garage. then swap it yourself if you can, else get some one else to swap it.
rashcupra
22-02-2007, 17:20
ive rang around loads of companies and not reallymuch luck! i ask the question to all the tuners i rang have you heard of a mk4 cupra with a bigger turbo and none have seen or heard of 1 so looks like itl be a rare 1 :) the ihi kit needs more work! and isnt a simplke bolt onlike the jbs04 as it will need new downpipe manifold pipes whereas the jbso4 turbo issimply a turbo swap and will fit my miltek exhaust downpipe :thumbup: all i need is the injectors 4bar f.p.r and fuelpump the remap and obviously the turbo ive looked everywhere for a diffrent turbo and simply unless its from america and the size of a horse they dont have any1 who will fit it £2858 ive been quoted from jbs for the jbs04 and the extras fully fitted and mapped! i dont think thats too bad
im pretty sure 280+ bhp will keep me smiling for a month or so :D
Triple D
22-02-2007, 18:17
280 may keep you happy for a month or so, then you will be wisahing you went ihi, gt28 rs etc etc
rashcupra
22-02-2007, 18:27
yeah but going ihi means i need a new manifold some pipework new downpipe ect ect oh and will cost about twice as much!!! and as for the gt28rs!! its gonna cost me about £8k and would need to do internals!! just wanting 300bhp and the jbs04 can get that! on standar internals and most the mods i have already so think this is the logical idea id love to do the gt28rs but simply cant afford it and it would be pointless running 350-400bhp on a fwd car
maxcars1
22-02-2007, 18:38
Did i not read somnewhere that Canny was sending his turbo away to be inpected before selling it on:shrug: Surely that would be piece of mind. I think you could do this conversion for under £2000 with the mapping in there.
rashcupra
22-02-2007, 18:44
thats the ihi turbo and id need to uprate alot more modifications and more extras to get this fitted and serficiant, so will still cost me more! he wanted 700 for the turbo and the injectors iirc but fitting it ,remaping it, airbox and maf sensor setup and 4bar setup tt manifold new downpipe added pipe work will push the price up into the 4k mark!
maxcars1
22-02-2007, 18:46
Have you spoken with these guys http://www.owendevelopments.co.uk/ im sure i noticed some vag products when I spoke with them at Autosport Show
Triple D
22-02-2007, 18:50
The JBS04 conversion will only make 300 bhp on JBS's rollers :whistle:
rashcupra
22-02-2007, 18:57
ive sent them an email with all my needs and budgets so we'l see what they come up with :thumbup: i think the only real thing calling out for me to get jbs to do it is its because its alot less hassle! and i think is pretty cheep for what im getting!
rashcupra
22-02-2007, 18:59
The JBS04 conversion will only make 300 bhp on JBS's rollers :whistle:
have you got an example? that would be really crafty!:no:
ive seen a jbs04...didnt do it for me!!
HoocH
rashcupra
22-02-2007, 19:19
what do you mean you went in a ibiza cupra with a jbs04 installed and wasnt impressed or you saw it on the shelf??
rashcupra
22-02-2007, 19:22
oh right what was it instlled on did he uprate everything around the turbo?? its not a huge turbo and it bolts straight on without anything onto my car and i dont want to ever do internals on my fwd car so the jbs04 if the figures are correct is the designated power im after. do you have a name of the person that had the convertion is he a member of any clubs ?
Triple D
22-02-2007, 19:38
Yes he seen bezzaboy at egine advantages rr day iirc didnt you h17och? he only made something like 260 odd bhp in his mk3 cupra, and i have seen it not make the claimed figures at other rr days too.
rashcupra
22-02-2007, 19:51
ooohhhhhhhh dear that doesnt sound too convincing then who can you belive!! have any of you guys heard anything about the gt2x turbo??
yea, alot better than the jbs04
www.atpturbo.com
HoocH
rashcupra
22-02-2007, 20:03
is that an american site? who could fit that for me prices ect ect?? the mk3 is quite alot diffrent to the mk4 cupra
rashcupra
22-02-2007, 20:12
imsooooooooo :confused: ???????? :headhurt: :think: all i want is a company to come along and yes we know whats best bang bang bang job done i thought companys would be dying to grab my £3500 but they seem clueless or not bothered
import it from atp and get www.vagtech.co.uk to fit it!
a mk4 isnt that different mate
traumapat
23-02-2007, 07:20
i went through this this last year.
wanted 300bhp.. looked at hybrids etc.. but nothing looked like it would do this consistantly. had big hopes for am04 but that fizzeled out.
so i bit the bullet and went ihi. yep its not a straightforward swop but what a car. pleased i did it.
why spend 2500 of a k04 hybrid that prob wont even make 280bhp?
yah IHI is a good setup and will cost nearly 2 times as much.
but why dont consider ordering the atp eliminator kit, either the GT2X or the GTRS both will make allot more than the k04 hybrid. the GT2X fitted could be a bit cheaper.
and the GTRS would be prob about the same fitted (as the k04 hybrid) though depending on where you go could be a fair few hundred cheaper, inc mapping.
it costed me for parts and shipping £1400 for manifold, turbo and fitting kit, injectors, and 3" inlet.
mapping will be around 400 - 500
fitting cant be much more than 500!! if allot less.
but i fitted mine myself so i saved that labour charge.
GT2x should see 290bhp
GTRS should see from around 320 to 330+
rashcupra
23-02-2007, 17:34
i dont want to do internals and the gtrs is imo to much on standard internals. i feel the jbs04 is just a much simpler option :shrug:
but the things im hearing realy arent convincing me!!!!!!
if you guys had £3000 and wanted about 300bhp what turbo would you go for and where would you get it fitted??
ibizacupra
23-02-2007, 17:40
are'nt there versions of the jbs04?
stage 1,2,3?
Turbo Dynamics do versions of their K04 hybrids... in assorted versions from little more than a k03s version to a bit more than a std k04.
rashcupra
23-02-2007, 17:56
they do do 3 phases ranging from up to 260bhp then 260-280bhp then 280-300bhp but ive just been checking out these garret eliminator turbo's and im well impressed!!!!! http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/release090105.htm
this is exactly what im looking for!
rashcupra
23-02-2007, 18:21
$1390 thats realy cheep about £700 i could get this turbo shipped over and buy all the other bits discount from work and then buy the 4bar setup this wil work out even cheeper and garret is a well known manufacturer
gazjones
23-02-2007, 18:28
rash your saying you dont want to do internals, and thats putting you off the gtrs but if you went to a mapper they could easily limit it to 310 bhp for example and have it running pretty reliable instead of maxing out a turbo that cant realisticly make 300bhp
rashcupra
23-02-2007, 18:34
thats a fair point gaz! il take a look at how much the gt2rs is! cant be much more!
gazjones
23-02-2007, 18:41
easy to peg it back then you would be able to get it mapped to get peak boost and just hold it to redline and will probably be alot smoother, i looked at this and only things you need are atp high flow manifold(probably could yours standard but 300 is still bit much for it) the turbo at about 700 i worked it out to about 2k for all the bits
rashcupra
23-02-2007, 18:51
i think that the gtrs is the turbo for me then!!!! it works out at about £900 on its own then would need injectors 4bar fuel setup and maf housing and airboxlid with remap then im laughing will be cheeper or the same as the jbs04 turbo but with more potential of more power if i want it! do you recon i could have this turbo fitted and all the extas and an uprated clutch for under £3000?
gazjones
23-02-2007, 18:56
mmm posibly you might be ble to keep clutch. mine is fine with 275ft lbs but torque tails off, if you limmit the torque to 275 say and then hold it all they way clutch should be ok for few months. only problem will be putting power down but thats part of the fun, this turbo might be a real tight fit though but will fit i think
im running over 300lbft and my clutch dont like me for it!
i heard the k03 fitment gtrs wont fit...i also heard the k04 gtrs will fit easier...hence the reason i have gone k04!
when are you going to order one? let me know, we could order together and maybe get a discount!?
HoocH
rashcupra
23-02-2007, 19:00
i spose i could get a refund if it dont fit or sell it on?? but i feel this is worth a risk i would uprate the clutch anyways how much is it ive heard figures from £250 to £800 i woudnt wanna ristrict the torque thats ludacris! :p
rashcupra
23-02-2007, 19:01
could buy together hooch if you wanted it will be very soon like next month! why would the ko4 gtrs eliminator turbo fit easier?
they did say to me if it dont fit they will refund me!! i have it in writing!
as i also need a clutch maybe get a deal on them too!?
HoocH
rashcupra
23-02-2007, 19:05
what sorta price are they?
gazjones
23-02-2007, 19:06
think jbs price is about 800 fitted but not 100 percent on that
rashcupra
23-02-2007, 19:09
if im getting the gtrs turbo then i wont use jbs il go somewhere alot closer as jbs is a good 3hours treck away from me :(
buy clutch and turbo from the states and get a good tuner to fit them both
sorted
HoocH
rashcupra
23-02-2007, 19:36
how much is the clutch for my mk4 cupra ??? any ideas?? im well up for the 2turbo's and 2clutch buy togetha for a bita discount ;) i worked out the whole job with the gtrs garret turbo and uprated clutch fully fitted to be about £3290