ZBOYD
10-12-2002, 13:22
I thought id lay out some info for you. Will more than likely piss some people off, but im not suger coating it, and whether you agree or disagree, its my opinion as i see it now, and ive had enough of it, and if it continues as it is, then im out of here, because ive got other things i can spend my time doing, ive not had the best month of my life recently, so my temper is shorter than usual.
SEATCupra.Net is not a business, if it was its about as financially viable as a house with no roof.
Any money it has received which is little, has been used to further the site, with more bandwidth and space, which keeps it going for everyone to use, this is run on a server that isn't cheap, but the hosting is good, and speedy which is what we all want isnt it?
This is nothing to do with making money, and it seemed to be all about a good community spirit, this in the past couple of days is not what ive seen from certain quarters.
Its also quite easy to edit your posts, after the event, so what people read now isn't what was posted originally, so its hard for others to make a judgement one way or the other,and make it look like nothing at all was at fault, maybe if the original unedited thread had been read, they wouldn't be as supportive.
People side with other people, without knowing the facts of the matter.
Well if thats what you want to do, go right ahead, im not argueing the case anymore, im pretty sick of it and got my own issues to worry about.
Im tired of spending my spare time sorting out issues which are quite frankly rather unimportant
This is primary an information source, which works on the whole pretty well, myself and the rest of the people directly involved with this site are very happy it has and is working like it is.
But on top of that we also need dealers and SEAT themselves to support it, because without their input and some financial backing it wouldn't be the resource it is, and wouldn't be able to continue in the future.
And i'll say it again, critisism is fair enough, but when i have to read a personal attack on someone, which regardless whether you see it that way or not, it was an attack, when questions of profesionalism are thrown across a site, with little or no chance to defend themselves.
Especially as it would just turn into a slagging match as these things so often do. Ive never read a critisism of a dealer that has been so scaving, for something that didnt warrant it.
We don't censor comment, we havn't and we wont be in the future, unless its totally uncalled for, the posts havn't been deleted, but, what was seen as a pretty unproductive thread was shut down, because it seemed to us to be going nowhere fast, but its still there though go look.
If we received handouts under the table from dealers or SEAT i think we'd of deleted it, dont you?
Id also just like to make it completely clear who are the people in charge of this site, and in future if you have a grievance or an issue, or simply a comment to make let us know and maybe we can help.
Lee "Shaggy" Shand, Owner who even while at home has still been calling places to get them interested in the site, and trying to get new compos and stuff for us. (he is less active at the moment as he is still recovering from his recent back operation)
Martyn Thomas, basically Marts is the guy that keeps things running smoothly on the site and forums, hes the web guy and without his help it would all go pear shaped very fast.
Mark (Me), general dogsbody of the site, admins it, does reports, features. Helps to run it on a daily basis, but may not being, for very much longer cause hes pissed off.
These 3 above are the main people in charge of this site.
Plus lots of other people who contribute on a regular basis and help us moderate, and answer questions as well as organise events, and as part of this community are also consulted and advised on this site.
The main people who spring to mind.
Mark Phelps, runs all the track days, and contributes to the site regularly.
Saul, helps out moderating, doing lots of guides, and puts in a lot of time to help run the site.
Andy B, again helps out, and contributes to the site on a regular basis. writing features and news for us.
F2Stu big help in organising shows and events.
Pipsqueek Phill, again with Stu has helped run events, and also been on hand at the track days
Glyn Hopkins, again contributes regular and helps at the track days.
Plus all our other moderators, and contributors im sorry if i've not stated you by name, as your all valued.
Anyone else that wishes to contribute please do so by all means, your very welcome to help.
Well there you have it, probably pissed a few people off, but ask me do i care, probably not anymore.
Im just sick of reading the shite, and having to sort it out to keep the peace, well if you want to turn it into a ghost site, by all means carry on.
2003 is going to be a big year for SEAT in the UK, something we really want to be a part of, but at this rate im suprised if they'd bother anymore.
But the way i see it is make up your own mind, feel free to come to your own conclusions, but im not arguing with people any longer, and im not going to try and hold together a site that has certain people happy to help destroy it, for nothing at all noble in cause.
Im happy to continue trying to run it, to the best of my ability, but if people want to work just as hard to bring it down, then im fighting a losing battle.
For the simple fact its easier to destroy a good reputation than it is to build one.
SEATCupra.Net is not a business, if it was its about as financially viable as a house with no roof.
Any money it has received which is little, has been used to further the site, with more bandwidth and space, which keeps it going for everyone to use, this is run on a server that isn't cheap, but the hosting is good, and speedy which is what we all want isnt it?
This is nothing to do with making money, and it seemed to be all about a good community spirit, this in the past couple of days is not what ive seen from certain quarters.
Its also quite easy to edit your posts, after the event, so what people read now isn't what was posted originally, so its hard for others to make a judgement one way or the other,and make it look like nothing at all was at fault, maybe if the original unedited thread had been read, they wouldn't be as supportive.
People side with other people, without knowing the facts of the matter.
Well if thats what you want to do, go right ahead, im not argueing the case anymore, im pretty sick of it and got my own issues to worry about.
Im tired of spending my spare time sorting out issues which are quite frankly rather unimportant
This is primary an information source, which works on the whole pretty well, myself and the rest of the people directly involved with this site are very happy it has and is working like it is.
But on top of that we also need dealers and SEAT themselves to support it, because without their input and some financial backing it wouldn't be the resource it is, and wouldn't be able to continue in the future.
And i'll say it again, critisism is fair enough, but when i have to read a personal attack on someone, which regardless whether you see it that way or not, it was an attack, when questions of profesionalism are thrown across a site, with little or no chance to defend themselves.
Especially as it would just turn into a slagging match as these things so often do. Ive never read a critisism of a dealer that has been so scaving, for something that didnt warrant it.
We don't censor comment, we havn't and we wont be in the future, unless its totally uncalled for, the posts havn't been deleted, but, what was seen as a pretty unproductive thread was shut down, because it seemed to us to be going nowhere fast, but its still there though go look.
If we received handouts under the table from dealers or SEAT i think we'd of deleted it, dont you?
Id also just like to make it completely clear who are the people in charge of this site, and in future if you have a grievance or an issue, or simply a comment to make let us know and maybe we can help.
Lee "Shaggy" Shand, Owner who even while at home has still been calling places to get them interested in the site, and trying to get new compos and stuff for us. (he is less active at the moment as he is still recovering from his recent back operation)
Martyn Thomas, basically Marts is the guy that keeps things running smoothly on the site and forums, hes the web guy and without his help it would all go pear shaped very fast.
Mark (Me), general dogsbody of the site, admins it, does reports, features. Helps to run it on a daily basis, but may not being, for very much longer cause hes pissed off.
These 3 above are the main people in charge of this site.
Plus lots of other people who contribute on a regular basis and help us moderate, and answer questions as well as organise events, and as part of this community are also consulted and advised on this site.
The main people who spring to mind.
Mark Phelps, runs all the track days, and contributes to the site regularly.
Saul, helps out moderating, doing lots of guides, and puts in a lot of time to help run the site.
Andy B, again helps out, and contributes to the site on a regular basis. writing features and news for us.
F2Stu big help in organising shows and events.
Pipsqueek Phill, again with Stu has helped run events, and also been on hand at the track days
Glyn Hopkins, again contributes regular and helps at the track days.
Plus all our other moderators, and contributors im sorry if i've not stated you by name, as your all valued.
Anyone else that wishes to contribute please do so by all means, your very welcome to help.
Well there you have it, probably pissed a few people off, but ask me do i care, probably not anymore.
Im just sick of reading the shite, and having to sort it out to keep the peace, well if you want to turn it into a ghost site, by all means carry on.
2003 is going to be a big year for SEAT in the UK, something we really want to be a part of, but at this rate im suprised if they'd bother anymore.
But the way i see it is make up your own mind, feel free to come to your own conclusions, but im not arguing with people any longer, and im not going to try and hold together a site that has certain people happy to help destroy it, for nothing at all noble in cause.
Im happy to continue trying to run it, to the best of my ability, but if people want to work just as hard to bring it down, then im fighting a losing battle.
For the simple fact its easier to destroy a good reputation than it is to build one.