View Full Version : Chippers Corner ( the new TDI beezer thread)
Lucky_32
11-12-2002, 00:21
How does it handle?
I was going to say that we should start a mini club, but thinking about it soon the unusual cars are going to be the unchipped ones :)
Come on DaveP and mikiew, you know it makes sense...
Rage,
Was yours the third APR have done, or are there others out there not on Cupra Net?
Originally posted by Lucky_32
How does it handle?
Surprisingly well. Jason took mine out on his favourite roads tonight and (I think) we agreed that its problem is that it feels a bit high and lacks upper body support in the seat, but that it actually grips well, and doesn't roll much at all. The brakes are capable as well, I reckon the chassis does pretty well considering it's got nearly 40% more power than standard. I even got it to oversteer very slighty tonight, although it was by braking into a corner and getting a wheel on the white line - neither deliberate nor skillful, more ragged, but I didn't know the road.
Originally posted by RB5
Come on DaveP and mikiew, you know it makes sense...
Fen, I think I need to keep it standard just so there is at least one around like it ;-)
Hopefully from next tuesday my commute will be 3 miles each way! So really don't know how much it will be used.
Handling is quite good. As RB5 said it is a bit high up. I think I really need new alloys as I'm having trouble keeping the power on the road. I was doing 30-35 just at the top of a downhill slip road in 3rd. When I put my foot down all I got was wheel spin and TCS light apart from that though. Its great.
Originally posted by DaveP
Fen, I think I need to keep it standard just so there is at least one around like it ;-)
Hopefully from next tuesday my commute will be 3 miles each way! So really don't know how much it will be used.
Aww come on, who am I going to race for highest mileage if you can walk to work?
Originally posted by RB5
Come on DaveP and mikiew, you know it makes sense...
Unfortunately....driving licence + 9 points = no chip
:( :( :(
Right, I have now signed on the dotted line!
My commute is now 108 shorter each way, each day, every day!
I will now be 4hrs a day up on time.
To celebrate - I am off to Switzerland for the weekend :D
Happy chipping day people.
enjoy your journey home.
Setting off in a few minutes! Flippin' weather again does it ever stop 'issing down.
Awe well nice and steady I suppose.
your task today is to get the traction control light to come on in 4th.
shame about the weather but I hope it all goes ok for you.
That little light was starting to annoy me this weekend :mad:
I will report back ASAP this afternoon.
YeeeeeHaaaaaa:D
What a difference, averaged around 53mpg going down and 60 ! :eek: coming back and I was giving it some more obviously. The grunt this car has got now is astounding.
Thanks to Richard and his colleagues for there hospitality, first class. For you guys already running mods Richard still can't source the cruise control parts but he showed me a little box that will be available in the new year that you can use to switch programs (ie. standard & chipped) by simply plugging into the diag port and pressing a button plus the added benefit of an ECU disable function for added security when you leave the car parked for long lengths of time (Top Idea).
Anyway needless to say I am well chuffed with the car and nice to meet Dave99 in the flesh, hope you had a safe journey home as the weather was horrible.
It's reet good in't it :D
Bit of a nightmare journey home due to bad weather and crashes on the M6. I averaged 59mpg going down but only 55 coming back - although I think that is pretty good as my ave speed was only 39mph (stop, start, crawl, stop etc etc).
I cant say I saw the tcs light up in 4th though! I used to think it liked to cruise at about 80 - I think it now prefers about 95 :D
Nice to meet you too aceman :)
I hope the weather is going to be better tommorrow so I can go and have a play with my new toy. :car:
Now where have the Cupra owners gone ! :D
Where does the ECU diag port in the Beezer live? This little lead sounds ideal. Just wondering if it's something you could leave plugged in or would need a few minutes to connect up?
its behind the drivers side glovebox.
It's a little box measuring approx. 150mm x 70mm x 30mm which has the OBD-II plug moulded at one end with some buttons on the top. All you do is plug it into the diag port select the program you want and press the button and about 5 seconds later a beep confirms the operation. I'm quite sure you have to do this when the engine is off as I assume you have to turn the ignition key at some point as well. It is really a tool for reverting back to original settings when visiting the dealer. Richard tells me its projected retail cost will be in the region of £150 but that's still to be decided. Units will also be upgradable at a later date to include the ECU disable feature. Dealers are apparently receiving demo units for trial over the christmas period so it should be on sale mid January hopefully.
I will hopefully be getting one these wonders as soon as they come available so will keep you all posted.
Thanks for the info aceman - certainly sounds like money well spent to me :D
I've been driving my beeza around for the past couple of days since visiting Revo and I have to say it is the best money I've spent on a car ever ! The transformation is nothing short of a miracle, it's so drivable now with town driving being easy due to the ability to potter about on very light throttle but as you depress the pedal it is a far more progressive response from the engine that builds into one hell of a surge that you just have to experiance to believe in such a small car.
The guys at Revo have to be commended for developing this upgrade, the grin on my face is going to take a while to subside.
:D :D :D
That's an excellent description, Ace, gets the transformation across very well.
How did you explain the change to the missus in the end?
I have already forgotten what it used to be like before the upgrade :) (and I couldnt even contemplate going back to my old 1.4 golf!)
I take it it is normal for the engine to 'growl' even more when pushing it up hard through the 2000 rpm mark?
I find the extra power particularly useful when joining the motorway - going from 60 to 90 takes about a second (ok, maybe little bit longer, but thats how it feels :D ) As everyone else has said, fuel consumption doesnt seem adversely affected when driving 'normally' (although that isnt easy to do any more ;) )
I haven't really !
I just thought let her drive it and see what happens. She hasn't said a thing which seems to prove my theory that she never pushes the pedel more than quarter anyway.:p Mind I was having chickens the first time she was out in it, thought I might get the dreaded phone call; 'Dear, I've had a slight accident' I really should have more faith shouldn't I ?
Anyway took the Nephew out for a spin it and I have never heard so many unrepeatable words come out of his mouth ! :D
On another note though, on the ride down to Daventry which was the longest run the car has had I was completly comfortable with the seat infact it's infinatly better than my previous car. So Fen have you decided on what new seat you are going to fit ? I can see the benefit of fitting cruise though as my foot started to ache a little so for you doing so much mileage it must be agony.
Hope everyone had a good Christmas.
I think I'm going to get a Konig, assuming Evolution have sent me the brochure this time.
I've got slightly more used to it now (still hurts, but isn't threatening to cripple me any more) and I'm looking for another job, so it's tempting just to live with it for a bit and see what happens - depending what comes up I may do a deal with the wife (OK, a straight swap) on her '99 Mk2, flog it and start running the '44 turbo again.
APR = Revo?
Change of name?
:confused:
Originally posted by Chri5B
APR = Revo?
Change of name?
:confused:
Apparently so. Sounds a bit crap IMHO...
hi got my beezer done at apr very pleased with it, took it to local seat tuner ricci concept in hull for a dyno plot, its high,
what wheels u guys running as i dont want to get the same
www.revotechnik.com
still not all there yet as it doesnt go live officially until the new year.
Originally posted by kempos
hi got my beezer done at apr very pleased with it, took it to local seat tuner ricci concept in hull for a dyno plot, its high,
what wheels u guys running as i dont want to get the same
Mille Miglia HT3 17'S.
What power/torque did the RR SHOW?
Originally posted by RB5
Apparently so. Sounds a bit crap IMHO...
OK, I still don't really like the new name, but the site is pretty impressive...
Nice looking site indeed. If APR read this, I'd suggest making the font on the main index page at bit bigger. I was squinting a little on my monitor here (1280 x 1024).
Chris.
the r/r showed 175bhp@2500rpm and 390lbft of torque he did say my engine is still tight and will improve to over 180 when loosened up,
thanks was looking at HT3s will choose another
Originally posted by kempos
the r/r showed 175bhp@2500rpm and 390lbft of torque he did say my engine is still tight and will improve to over 180 when loosened up,
thanks was looking at HT3s will choose another
I take it you mean 390 Nm torque rather than 390 lb/ft, otherwise I want mine reworked to be like yours!
I don't mind if you get HT3's. There are piccies of mine here http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11404
if you want a look.
What colour is yours?
I thought the gearbox was only rated for 300lb of torque so I was concerned as well.
any news on the mesh grills yet RB5.
Originally posted by Rage
any news on the mesh grills yet RB5.
I spoke to Evolution again last week, and they were going to contact MS Design and get baack to me. A Konig seat brochure from them turned up in the post yesterday but no mention of the MS Design stuff. I'll chase them again tomorrow if I get a chance, especially because I may give the seat a miss for now (it came in at £600+ for the spec I wanted) until I see if I can sort myself out a new job.
that has concerned me cos i had a look at my dyno sheet and it is 390 lbft. hope the gearbox does hold up ok
looks sweet mine is ovni yellow as well but been looking at oz superleggerer. got a quote for koni shocks with eibach springs fitted for around £700 lowers it 35mm.
how is the ride on 17s
390 lb/ft - that would be mental quick. :eek:
Originally posted by kempos
looks sweet mine is ovni yellow as well but been looking at oz superleggerer. got a quote for koni shocks with eibach springs fitted for around £700 lowers it 35mm.
how is the ride on 17s
I wanted SuperL's as well, but MSW told me that they wouldn't be available until next year (any time from tomorrow onward now, then) and only in silver. If I couldn't have anthracite I decided not to wait.
Where did you get the quote for the suspenders from? I need to get this handling sorted.
The ride on 17's is a bit 'knobblier'. I like it better, but 18's may be too much; there isn't a lot of sidewall as it is.
Originally posted by Chri5B
390 lb/ft - that would be mental quick. :eek:
Agreed. It doesn't sound right to me though; APR only got just over 300 when they RR'd their development car, and it gave slightly better BHP, and the Golf only giver 280-odds. If it isn't Nm, then perhaps it should be 309 lb/ft?
getting scanner and stuff sorted to get my dyno chart on here for u lot to see.
if u wanna know how quick it is take out a civic type r raced one from 40- 115 kept level with it then he backed off and he was amazed at the tdi badge, 1-0 to the diesels
oh and the suspenders were from ricci concept in hull they gave us the price during first service last week
Originally posted by kempos
oh and the suspenders were from ricci concept in hull they gave us the price during first service last week
Got any contact details / url?
My TDi badge 'fell off' (along with all the others) on Saturday.
phone No is 01482 322446 not open till 2nd now
i was thinking of getting the 180 badge off the new 206 gti when it arrives
I was thinking of the all red TDi badge from VW, and the Sport badge from a Clio 172, but I kinda like the clean look. I just wish the gormless great big S logo wasn't the boot handle, 'cos that'd be off too.
I'll give them a call about the suspension kit after the festivities are over. Cheers for the number.
remember you can get an all-red TDI as per Leon Cupra4 TDI150 (draws breath)
It's a smaller font than the VW item (same size as std Leon TDI letters.....no idea how they compare to Beeza's mind).
Flapper posted the part no on here yonks ago......will try and find it!
if i cant get scanner sorted when is next track day or quarter strip appening i need a 1/4 mile time to go with this
found it (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1732&highlight=red+tdi)
:)
hoping this works should be an attachment
dyno plots speak louder than words hope u like it i do
Wow. I want mine RR'd now then.
Are you sure that dyno trace is correct? :confused:
To gfenerate 175bhp at 2583rpm requires 356lbs.ft - so that ties in with your max of 390lbs.ft at approx 2100rpm.
But your torque curve is so spikey. By only 3500rpm torque has dropped off to just below 200lbs.ft ~ does the car really have twice the acceleration at 2100rpm compared to 3500rpm in any gear? :confused:
Comparing it to thisdyno trace (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/attachment.php?postid=20422) from Neil's (TDI110) Upsolute remaped Leon - which still has over 200lbs.ft at almost 4000rpm - and it's still pulling strong til after 4500.
.......weird.
I should point out that I aint suggesting you're lying :) - just that I don't understand :(
Yep, same goes for me; I've just clicked that it may have sounded like I doubted you - I don't, it just seems a bit odd.
APR's plots are here BTW http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10864
They look much more sensible Fen.....and very different to Kempo's.
Kempos - I reckon they've set your car up for a run in one gear (say 5th) and then actually measured it in a lower gear (say 4th).
This would lead to higher torque at the wheels - therefore their calculations of actual engine torque would be artificially boosted.
This would explain why it's hit the wall at only 3.5K ~ the engine was actually going much faster, but they were calculating rpm from roller speed.......and if the car was in a lower gear than expected......
Just luck that your peak bhp is close to 180 ~ as this is derived from measured torque at the rollers and rpm, any errors in either will knacker the bhp calculations.
I'd take it back and get them to do it again (for nothing of course :) )
that run was done with 7 thou on the clock just after the chip was fitted i am taking it for another run when ive covered over 20 thou should be looser wont be for a while as only just done 10 thou
if i can stay with a civic type r its quick cos they aint slow ive kept up with an evo 4 from 60-90 passing on A roads (although dont know how much he was trying).
and mine does pull all the way to the red line in all gears but 6th cos ive done it to see what speeds i can get and whats best for overtaking.
dont know about you lot but ive just fitted some new front rubber 10 thou and new rubber this is nutz, well glad it has tcs this thing spins like crazy
goodyear eagleF1s will let u all know how i get on with them
and will post up photos next month after mine is lowered the space hopper is going
Hi to everyone and a Happy New Year :D
I know i dont post on here very often but i read the tdi forums every day and it is very insightful reading and very helpful. For those who dont know or cant remember im importing a pd130 from Dublin, Ireland. I ordered it at the end of october and its been built and will be ready to collect at the end of February, although after looking into the complications of registering the damn thing i might leave it till march so i can qualify for an '03 plate. Anyone thinkin of importing or doing so now, check out this link for advice on importing, or call the DVLA for an info pack....its surprisingly complicated...oh and i must get my passport sorted lol! :redface:
http://www.britain.org.nz/general/vehicle.html
Anyway! enough about me! does anyone have the link to the RR graphs done by Richard at APR? i was lookin at the one posted the other day, which is astonishingly high and it got me to thinking! i wanted to have a look at the other ones to compare, just bein nosey really!
Also, i will chip mine eventually when its run in, but does anyone have a view on the life of the gearbox? as it is rated to 300 lbs/ft and that the mapping comes out at just over? i presume this is ok, but may shorten the life of the box of cogs?
sorry about the long note lol.....HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL!! :cheers:
My last post in this thread has a link to the Ibiza RR plot from APR. I don't know how to get at the other PD engine ones 'cos their website is being redone.
I've done 7k on my chip and it's fine so far.
don't quote me on the 300lb limit on the gearbox. I'm almost sure I saw it posted somewhere on here by someone who knows more than me.
7k already? blimey! sounds like its been happy motoring as well! i cant wait to get my hands on the car! ive decided not to get the leather done over there cause i would have to pay VAT on it! so i will get that done over here, which in hindsight probably makes more sense anyway!
with regards to the gearbox im guessing the extra power means that it isnt necessary to use as much throttle, so there wont be as much strain on it, only when tapping into all the power reserves...
funny you should have said that tho rage, cause i was told the same figure by someone else not on here. it was from one of those people who know the figures and ratings for all cars lol....didnt know how accurate it was, but now someone else has said it it would seem to reinforce the idea!
I think that the gearbox is actually rated at less than 300 lb.ft :rolleyes:.
JONO!!,
I'd make sure that you think the seats are worth retrimming before I spent the money if I were you; I find them bloody uncomfortable.
My car is just past 14k, having been on 5,022 when I got it on 3rd November. It was chipped at about 7k, 9 days after I got it.
raced at alconbury at 700miles
chipped at 3000 miles.
as an aside
due to poor handling in the wet and me chickening out I was beaten by an Audi TT yesturday. I had him on all the straights but the corners were just too wet for me to throw the car in properly. I need new suspension and wheels. Any recommended suppliers ?
Originally posted by Rage
I need new suspension and wheels. Any recommended suppliers ?
Kempos came up with Ricci Concept on 01482 322446 for the suspension - I'll be calling them tomorrow if I get a chance. Wheels are pretty easy, mine came through Protyre.
What size tyres did you get to go with 17's ?
Thanks for the number. I'll give em a ring.
The phone number was in an earlier post. How many do we need for a group buy?
I stuck with 205's because I didn't want to upset the economy (that ws the reason for getting this car in the first place). I don't remember the profile, but I can check tomorrow if you need me to (it's raining now).
Its ok I found an online tyre calulator to tell me what I needed.
Next question as finances dictate not doing both suspension and alloys at the same time which is going to benefit me more.
The way I see it at the moment (and this is just first thoughts )
Wheels
Pro's
look way cooler than the standard ones.
presumably less side wall means less lateral motion in the tyre on corners.
Cons
If I am keeping the same width tyres and I probably will for the same reason RB5 stated. Then there is no extra tyre surface area in contact with the ground thus no real extra grip.
Suspension
Pro s
Even less body roll than I get now.
firmer ride
all round better handling
Cons
Will look crap with the standard alloys
Of course one of the other things to consider is my service maintenance and tyres contract with SEAT.
All of their literature states that they will replace the tyres with the size and rating that are on there at the time. It doesn't specify what wheels they have to be on. So later today I'm off to Seat to check it out for sure.
At the moment I'm leaning towards new wheels specifically fox premier FP2 in titanium finish. Largly for the style thing ( I'm such a show off )
What do you guys think.
Wheels or suspension.
Pic for reference:
https://www.edworthys.co.uk/acatalog/FP2-Titanium.jpg
I like them. Are they kerb friendly?
Well, I went for wheels first, but purely from the tart standpoint, not to try to improve the handling.
If you do go for wheels first then you have the choice of tyres, whereas just now you have the Dunlops (? mine were) that came with the car. Although the tyres are the same nominal width, less wall flex and a different brand of tyre will change the handling.
As an aside I'm in Devizes today and I just passed a parked, red new Beezer with what looked like SuperT replicas in 16"; it looked too high, just like mine does.
im gonna go with suspension first it is way too high and then see how the handling is on the standards before going larger. running these goodyears in they seem grippy enough in the wet need it to dry out and thrash it more now
saw a yellow one near work the other day had 17in khan rsr and 215/40/17. he had a box chip to a supposed 165bhp. me though i dont rate box chips
Here's a lowered one on standard wheels, albeit with a bodykit and dodgy graphics.
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=104428
I don't have any experience of tuning boxes, but I think that the APR/Revo chip is the only one to go for on the TDi Sport at the moment.
looks like they may have miscalculated somewhere cos even lowered the arches look too big
That's why I posted it; they look crap on the standard wheels. We need a group buy on spacers, 'cos mine still needs a bit more width to it's stance even on 17's.
hi guys, i've not posted for a while, just been catching up on recent threads. I've got a upsoluted cordoba, with 17" polaris, lowered 25-30mm all round, the problem i'm getting is rear internal arch cover rubbing when driving over almost anything. it's almost impossible to carry passengers in the back unless i do about 20mph everywhere. has anyone else experienced this??? another problem is the rear end has dropped a lot more than the front so it only looks lowered at the back!!
just wondering whether or not to put stock springs on shortened dampers to try and level it a bit, any advice as it's p1ssing me off!!
Ive decided to take your advice on the seat re-trimming RB5, the one thing that i remember about the first time i sat in the new ibiza was just how bad the seats are! it was nearly enough to put me off the car altogether!:( So i will wait to see if its worth spending that sort of money! A friend has offered me some seats out of his Supra as he is getting new ones, presuming they would fit that is!? i dont know if anyone would know off-hand whether they would or not?
dont know if they will fit as they are probably on different runners and anchor points but a welder could sort that out for u.
u could also try better items out of other seat vw or audi as they will prob be on the same runners
mine is booked into ricci concept on 17th for lowering on koni adjustable and eibach springs apparently the shocks have to bo shipped in thats why no kits available here yet. will get photos when its done
will be in on the spacers i need them
I will look forward to seein those pics! one of the disadvantages of getting the car from ireland is that they are fitted with 15's :mad:
im dreading what that will look like seeing as even the 17's seem to look as if they have been shrunk lol.......i have 17's to fit when i get home tho! .......and thinking about the seats, the audi S3 quattro has lovely seats comfort wise, that would be worth investigating me thinks!;)
had a dabble with a rover 220 turbo coupe today which as i passed i had total power loss in 4th then 5th. slowed and turned off and on my way home an sdi polo would have beat me it was as tho my turbo had fallen off. stopped at a garage to take a look under bonnet nothing out of place started it up and its fine again any ideas
I'll be in on a buy of spacers. It ruins the rear lines of the car having the wheels that recessed.
Whilst 'm still surfing for alloys. I was wondering what sort of economy impact am I looking at for wider wheels say for example going up to 7 or 7.5 inch
I have no idea, but for some reason I think I've heard that it's surprisingly big. I'm sure it'll make more difference the faster you go. I think my 17's hit mine by about 2-3%, even staying with 205's, and you'd be up to what, 225 on 7.5 rims?
probably. Just looking around I'd be hard pressed to get 6.5" rims. certainly not listed anywhere for the FP2s I was looking at.
BeezerDiesel
04-01-2003, 08:54
I'd be in on a group buy for spacers.All the Beezers apart from the early non VW ones have too narrow a rear track visually and even with wider alloys they still look cack at the rear from some angles.
If you go on SEAT UK's website and look at the wallpaper downloads of the Beezers; they have been enhanced digitally to widen the rear track so's the standard wheels fill the arches visually and it does make a big difference - with spacers and lowering I think the standard wheels would look okay as long as you don't have a bodykit that makes the arches look even bigger!!!
Decent spacers don't come cheap so any savings would be good - any metal working experts on here explain why hub-centric ones cost so blimmin much?
On another note I'm gaining sizeable experience with TDI Tuning Boxes and they do vary from company to company as to how they work, and where they take their calculations from. Van Aaken are very good Diesel tuners and I spent much of Friday talking with one of their technicians. I can get discount there for plug-in's so it wouldn't be too hard to get a Cupra-net discount set up there I wouldn't have thought....
Shock_Xe
04-01-2003, 12:15
Originally posted by BeezerDiesel
I'd be in on a group buy for spacers.
me too
I hadn't noticed the digital mods to the ibiza before. but now I come to look at it they have it lowered as well. I feel cheated. I bought my car on the strength of a picture thats fake.
Oh well give it a couple of months and I'll have it looking better than that.