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210/225 Differences
Exterior/Interior/Visual Differences:
Most Customer Cupra R's were a '52 plate althought the odd ex-press car / demo maybe an '02 plate. All these cars had square mirrors (off a MkIV Golf) the later 210’s (from early May ’03 on) had teardrop mirrors.
All 210's had black Cupra badges (the painted lettering on the rear "Cupra" badge is black). There was a limited run (total of 60 cars) of Platinum metallic paint in early '03 cars, all had teardrop mirrors.
All 225's have teardrop mirrors, chunkier steering wheel, perforated leather on the gear knob, red cupra badges, extra stone guards on the front wheels and different wheel bearings. Platinum became standard and Artic Grey was added to the paint options. These early 225's were fitted with Tracker.
210’s steering wheel is the same as the Cupra’s, but with red stitching. The 225 has a thicker stering wheel with a red band at the top. The steering wheels are a straight swap and the airbags are the same.
We were never sure if the new wheel bearings were "upgrades" or just from a different supplier.
The “pegs” holding the front carpet mats in place are round on the 210’s and oval on the 225’s.
The parcel shelf on the 210 has retractable strings, the 225 does not.
05 Plate 225's
There were a few changes on the '05 (Sept 2005) cars:
The red was changed from Flash Red to Emocion Red. Emocion red is slightly darker.
Tracker was removed.
Cars included a “motorsport package” - a pair of Seat Sport jackets, baseball caps and a track based tuition day.
210’s have tape decks and 6 disc changers,
225’s have single CD heads and 6 disc changers,
05 reg cars have just a single CD.
Recaros and Sat Nav where the only options, the recaro option on the 210 (£1,200) was front AND rear, on the 225s it was front only and £795.
Very Late (When the FR+ came out) cars came in Metallic Black. The FR+ looks like a Euro Spec LCR - they are 180 petrol and 150 diesel cars, with the full LCR bodykit but with the Euro 17" LCR alloys, and no brembo calipers.
Engine Diffrences:
210 is an AMK Engine code, 225 is BAM.
210bhp/199lbft vs 225ps/208lbft. Both cars remap to practically the same. The 210 is actually 212ps, and the 225(ps) is actually 222bhp.
ECU Code for the 225 has an “A” on the end.
There were always rumours that the 210 had stronger internals (20mm wrist pins and different rods), but it seems that this rumour stemmed from the early Audi S3 APY engine (also 210bhp) having stronger rods. However, Yumann's engine (AMK) build thread, he kindly measured the gudgeon pins for us, and they are 20mm. The later BAM engine are supposed to have 19mm wrist pins.
From ETOS and ETKA the block and piston set for AMK :06A 103 101 J and for the BAM : 06A 103 101 J, conrod for AMK : 027 198 401 B, conrod for BAM : 027 198 401 B. So if they are different, nobody told SEAT Parts.
Both engines have VVT, but this is apparently for emissions rather than a VTEC style torque/power shift. Although most cars definitely pull again at about 4,000 rpm). Originally we thought the VVT actuation was different (one mechanical the other hydraulic) but we now understand them to be the same. Again, it is the APY (early 210 S3 engine, never fitted to the LCR) that has mechanical VVT actuation and possibly where the rumour started. Both AMK and BAM have Electro-hydraulic VVT actuation.
The turbo (K04-23 from Borg-Warner), manifold & exhaust are all the same.
Few more mate! 225 has stone guard around front discs, 225 side repeaters are cheaper Seat copies of original VW with different connector. Last run of 225's came with free smartnav inc one year tracking and fifteen free routes. 6 disc changer removed on later disc equipped 225's. Both Great cars !
sportbilly
07-03-2007, 22:50
Early 225's came with a tape desk .. not sure what you do with one of those
Which is mechanical which hydraulic ? Not that I would now how this works just interested.
my 03/53 225 had a tape desk.
what did i do with it? removed it!
Good guide!
My 04 plate (reg March 2004) 225 has a tape deck too... Means I can use a cassette adaptor to listen to the iPod in the car for only £3, so no complaints here...
A tape deck is highly embarrassing in a modern day hatch. It was the 1st thing i changed about the car:)
Okay 20 years ago, but today:redface: Do they even sell tapes now:lol:
Goos definitive guide Phil, hopefully stop the weekly threads on the matter:clap:
Ruddmeister
08-03-2007, 13:20
Good guide!
My 04 plate (reg March 2004) 225 has a tape deck too... Means I can use a cassette adaptor to listen to the iPod in the car for only £3, so no complaints here...
Gents the above is a guide not hard and fast rules
My old 03 (July 03) plate had a single CD + 6CD and Square mirrors.
Old stock and new stock gets registered at different times etc
Both engines have VVT, but the actuation is different. One's mechanical the other hydraulic.
Nicely put [B)]
Been searching, thamks to our friends in the TT and Audi world, it seems that it's the early S3 210 engine, coded APY had the mechanical VVT and 20mm gudgeon pins.
Also, it seems the AMK and BAM have a valve that "electrically allows oil pressure from the oil pump to adjust the cam timing on the inlet camshaft". Sounds Hydraulic to me, but some people refer to it as electrical.
Feel... if I understand that correctly then, the VVT actuator didn't change between the 210 and 225 engines... but it changed early on in the life of the 210 engine only? So in actual fact there were two versions of the 210 engine (APY and AMK) and it was the crossover from APY to AMK that saw the change of actuator, and not the change from AMK to BAM?
Or have I lost the plot? :blink:
Nope, I think you've got it spot on.
APY was the early S3 engine (210), followed by the "Facelift" engine (there was a facelifted S3) which was the AMK, later a further engine, the BAM was introduced. There seems to be a few other differences between the APY and the later engines - it seems mostly emissions stuff, extra lambda sensors, a change from the K04-20 to the K04-23 (which is essentially the same, but has an extra sensor) and the switch from Mechanical to Hydraulic/electrical VVT actuation all related to control, and perhaps larger injectors on the AMK/BAM. It seems the ECU changed to the me7.5 on the AMK/BAM
So, it seems there's no fundamental difference between the AMK and BAM engines :shrug:
Which would then imply that the power difference comes down to one of two things... Marketing, or the ECU mapping.
Skorchio
30-03-2007, 19:31
Has anyone got photoes of the reat seats of a 225 and a 210 so we can see the differance?? I never knew this!!!
Feel said:
Recaros and Sat Nav where the only options, the recaro option on the 210 (£1,200) was front AND rear, on the 225s it was front only and £795.
Not got any pics, but they effectively make the car into a 4 seated car.
The 2 side seats are bucket shaped seats, with side bolsters. Although you can fit an arse in between them it would be fairly uncomfy. The middle section has a fold up and down arm rest with a compartment inside.
Far nicer than the standard seats. They only ever come on 210 model cars though.
Skorchio
30-03-2007, 19:54
So what comes on the 225? Standard onces??
Both 210 and 225 cars had the option of recaros however the 225 cars only ever had the option of front recaros.
210 when ordered with recaros came front and back.
Skorchio
30-03-2007, 19:59
Are the rear seats in 225 still black sude ??
Can this not be kept to a separate thread instead of turning this into a discussion thread? That's why the original version had to be re-created.
Both 210 and 225 cars had the option of recaros however the 225 cars only ever had the option of front recaros.
210 when ordered with recaros came front and back.
Already been said. Read the first post.
So what comes on the 225? Standard onces??
5 posts above this 1 asked yesterday
Just politely answering his question for him, incase he missed it;)
fantastic thread - I hadn't a clue that there were so many differences!
Stan 24v
07-09-2007, 21:49
Cant see any mention of suspension. Im lead to believe the LCR has S3 fronts, MKIV rears, and the LC MKIV all round. Correct??
Yes you're right - the LCR has the TT/S3 front subframe and suspension, the rear is essentially the same, although there was some guff at launch about it having a dynamic mounting concept, or something.
How, ever this thread is about the differences between the 210/225 LCR, NOT the LC and LCR :D
Stan 24v
08-09-2007, 19:54
D'oh
speedstar
25-09-2007, 12:15
i have just bought a seat leon cupra R 210 could anyone tell me what they think the best car is 225 or 210 and could anyone tell me the performance figures for the 210. i am putting my car in on wed to get mapped first stage revo, i would also like to know the performance figures for my 210 when mapped (revo first stage) BHP. tor. speed. 0 60 and all that.
i have just bought a seat leon cupra R 210 could anyone tell me what they think the best car is 225 or 210 and could anyone tell me the performance figures for the 210. i am putting my car in on wed to get mapped first stage revo, i would also like to know the performance figures for my 210 when mapped (revo first stage) BHP. tor. speed. 0 60 and all that.
A search and a good read will answer all your questions. :)
or at least post in the right part!
just wondering i have an 04 LCR and it was mentioned that soem came standard with a tracker fitted. Could mine maybe have one and i dont know about it?
Maybe so
I was look at the handbook for me car last night and found some paperwork for a tracker so rang them up and yes me car as got a tracker cost me £18 to transfer it over to me and £350 for a life time subsciption.
If i was you just ring tracker 01895234567 and ask them all you need is your chassis number.
gazsutton
29-01-2008, 13:49
Maybe so
I was look at the handbook for me car last night and found some paperwork for a tracker so rang them up and yes me car as got a tracker cost me £18 to transfer it over to me and £350 for a life time subsciption.
If i was you just ring tracker 01895234567 and ask them all you need is your chassis number.
lucky buga mines a 55reg no tracker :cry:
Ruddmeister
29-01-2008, 13:53
Maybe so
I was look at the handbook for me car last night and found some paperwork for a tracker so rang them up and yes me car as got a tracker cost me £18 to transfer it over to me and £350 for a life time subsciption.
If i was you just ring tracker 01895234567 and ask them all you need is your chassis number.
Interestingly most of the people who had trackers as std were so appauled by the lack of any saving on insurance premiums they didn't bother shelling out for tracker renewal.
Stan 24v
29-01-2008, 22:05
What about LC's? Did they get it?
lucky buga mines a 55reg no tracker :cry:
did they not come on a 55 plate? I have a 54, will i have one? lol
Ruddmeister
31-01-2008, 13:29
What about LC's? Did they get it?
This thread is about the LCR.........but the answer is no
lucky buga mines a 55reg no tracker
did they not come on a 55 plate? I have a 54, will i have one? lol
The spec's changed a lot on the 05/55 cars in an effort to shift the last of them
They reduced the cost, removed the 6CD player etc etc
Why would you want a tracker of it doesn't benefit your insurance?
so you get it back? :shrug:
Ruddmeister
31-01-2008, 14:15
so you get it back? :shrug:
You want it back if some Chav has ranted the fcuk out of it? I'd take the money especially if I had gap cover :shrug:
Nope, I think you've got it spot on.
APY was the early S3 engine (210), followed by the "Facelift" engine (there was a facelifted S3) which was the AMK, later a further engine, the BAM was introduced. There seems to be a few other differences between the APY and the later engines - it seems mostly emissions stuff, extra lambda sensors, a change from the K04-20 to the K04-23 (which is essentially the same, but has an extra sensor) and the switch from Mechanical to Hydraulic/electrical VVT actuation all related to control, and perhaps larger injectors on the AMK/BAM. It seems the ECU changed to the me7.5 on the AMK/BAM
So, it seems there's no fundamental difference between the AMK and BAM engines :shrug:
So would I be able to fit a BAM engine in my originally AMK LCR? My ECU is the 210 one but is revo'd stage 1. Will this be a problem?
My engine is completely knackered after a cambelt snap. :censored: Valve has gone straight into the piston, also the spark plug was broken. I dont have any pics of the damage at the moment but will put some up asap.
Not sure, I would guess....
...you might be able to.
I read somewhere the ECU is actually the same, but the code is different, so you could get the 225 code on your 210 ECU - best talk to a Revo dealer first.
There were a few changes on the '05 (Sept 2005) cars:
'05, I assume means MY05?
If so, September 2005 cars are MY06.
The MY's run a bit strange, from July to June each year. For example, there are 02 reg'd MY03 Leon Cupras out there, they were registered in July or August 02. My Ibiza Cupra is an MY05 car, but registered in July 04.
It can all be identified in the chassis number - VSSZZZ1MZ5R****** - those 5 digits mean its a Leon (1M), built in MY05 (5) at Martorell (R). The Z's in the VIN don't mean anything.
Not sure, I would guess....
...you might be able to.
I read somewhere the ECU is actually the same, but the code is different, so you could get the 225 code on your 210 ECU - best talk to a Revo dealer first.
Spoke to a Revo dealer and he confirmed Bam is a straight swap for AMK engine. Apparently both ECU's are the same too and both remap to same spec. So Im in the hunt for an engine now!!!
If anyone comes accross a BAM or AMK please let me know.
Thanks for all the advice.
warren_cox
12-04-2008, 19:07
did they not come on a 55 plate? I have a 54, will i have one? lol
The LCR225 I bought in November 2003 had a Tracker Horizon on it as part of the deal. I later found out that it wasn't much use as until I knew the car had been stolen it would not be activated. I assumed it would have been activates as soon as the alarm went off.
Then in 2004 they offered a SmartNav on some LCR's. I'm not sure about the detail on this as I didn't have one.
In late 2004 through to mid 2005 you got a day at Prodrive, Warwickshire (SEAT driver training day with Seat Cupra Championship drivers - I had Alan Blencowe!), 2 tickets to a BTCC meet with VIP, and 2 SEAT jackets.
I'm not aware of any other deals. After that the prices just dropped to clear the run out.
carmaduk
07-07-2008, 20:45
cool guide many thanks as I was beginning to wonder what I really had...
Thanks to everyone who posted in here, it has really helped me out :)
scarface
19-08-2008, 15:07
What alloys come as standard on a 04 plate cupra r?
These ones:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/jayjay86/n516284608_543177_5643.jpg
All U.K Cupra R's had these fitted as standard, even pre face-lifts. However, they were an optional extra in the rest of Europe I believe.
scarface
19-08-2008, 15:24
quality and do they all come with red calipers on bremo brakes?
Yes all the cupra r come with red bremo's
Ruddmeister
19-08-2008, 16:40
Yes all the cupra r come with red bremo's
Unless it's an import, Brembo's were an option in Europe with 17inch alloys of the same design
What alloys come as standard on a 04 plate cupra r?
Only one design was ever standard and 18inch only in the UK, some Euro models had same design but 17 inch as above
scarface
20-08-2008, 08:53
cheers, well i shud finally be getting my cupra r by end of the week!
CupraElliott
09-09-2008, 22:42
What insurance group at the LCR? 210 and 225 the same group?
What insurance group at the LCR? 210 and 225 the same group?
210 = group 16
225 = group 17
* see note
Lodgey180
05-12-2008, 16:00
210 = group 16
225 = group 17
so your actually paying more insurance for exactlly the same car if you get a 225..
glad i have a 210 at this point lol
a higher group doesn't necessarily mean higher premiums..
Lodgey180
06-12-2008, 14:58
:S what are you on if they are the same they should be in the same group ?!
that is the whole point in having groups
210 = group 16
225 = group 17
Thatcham Database (http://www.thatcham.org/abigrouprating/index.jsp?page=347&row=20) lists them both as Group 17.
LC180 is 16. ;)
Lodgey180
06-12-2008, 15:09
210 = group 16
225 = group 17
so we class this as garbage ??
:doh:
Yeah its rubbish... i've got a 210 and its group 17
so your actually paying more insurance for exactlly the same car if you get a 225..
glad i have a 210 at this point lol
No because its not exactly the same car, obviously a more powerfull car will be more insurance..even if it is only 12bhp its still more powerfull, also between group 16 and 17 it will be pennies difference!! i got that info of the 210=16 and the 225=17 from a LCR spec guide not my own knowledge ;-)
how can u tell if its fitted with a tracker?? bought car second hand, owner doesnt now, how can u check/activate (225 lcr 04 plate)
ta
whitcherjoe
04-02-2009, 15:41
sorry really confused. been trying to work out wat engine code my car is. a got a thing in my car that saids amk but the car is registered as a 225 model. i have read some of the points to tell the difference but i have got some of the 210bhp car and got some of the stuff off the 225. i am soooo confused
What "thing" says AMK on it? Where did you buy the car? What reg is it? What 225 "stuff" has it got on it? What colour is the car?
whitcherjoe
04-02-2009, 16:01
sorry bit stupid to all of this. there was like a ring coming off the left side off the block with amk engraved on it. i bought the car in birmingham. the reg is WA03 VHU. its got the cd player the tear drop mirrors red band round the steering wheel nd the perforated gear knob. but it has the blk cupra r badge and oval mat clips the car colour is grey
Someone else mentioned they had oval pegs on a 210... Red banded wheel is a popular upgrade.
The engine code is STAMPED on the engine/head, it's not on a ring tag. Checked the sticker in the boot?
I doubt it is a 225, with it being on an '03, unless someone was REALLY deparate to get it registered.
whitcherjoe
04-02-2009, 16:12
ok mate cheers for that
how can u tell if its fitted with a tracker?? bought car second hand, owner doesnt now, how can u check/activate (225 lcr 04 plate)
ta
anyone?
Dunno, but I think you can call tracker and ask them - obviously they would be interested in getting it reactivated...
P.S. That's not really a "differences" post, you'd have been better starting your own thread.
the bear1986
09-02-2009, 22:29
love the car
br0wny21
13-02-2009, 21:46
so is everyone saying the engines the same as the 180 vt but uprated parts.
sorry just lookin to add parts from 210/225 to my 180 anyone got any ideas?
Why would you want a tracker of it doesn't benefit your insurance?
Having a tracker is not just about insurance. It may be to some people but not everybody.
Surely by this logic there's no point in the OE Thatcham Cat 1 alarm and door locks then if they don't get you a hefty discount on your insurance policy?
Just because your car is stolen it doesn't always mean that it will be ragged half to death by some baseball capped chav scum. Many desirable cars are stolen to order and are therefore required to be in pristine condition.
Many people do want their pride and joy back as soon as possible if it is stolen and Tracker technology is generally that good nowadays that many thieves are apprehended before they get chance to do any damage.
Insurers like trackers because in many cases if a car is stolen it can be recovered and therefore they only have to pay for repairs and not a total loss, thus meaning they make more money and can keep premiums down. Because of this they really should offer bigger discounts for those of us that fit and use trackers on their cars, but this isn't always possible.
Its all down to the individual. Some of us wouldn't want their car back if it got nicked and yet others would. Some people are only interested in security on cars if it brings their premiums down - others like the peace of mind decent security on their car gives them.
J:)
The LCR225 I bought in November 2003 had a Tracker Horizon on it as part of the deal. I later found out that it wasn't much use as until I knew the car had been stolen it would not be activated. I assumed it would have been activates as soon as the alarm went off.
Then in 2004 they offered a SmartNav on some LCR's. I'm not sure about the detail on this as I didn't have one.
In late 2004 through to mid 2005 you got a day at Prodrive, Warwickshire (SEAT driver training day with Seat Cupra Championship drivers - I had Alan Blencowe!), 2 tickets to a BTCC meet with VIP, and 2 SEAT jackets.
I'm not aware of any other deals. After that the prices just dropped to clear the run out.
I am not aware of any LCRs that were sold with the Tracker Horizon system fitted, unless some dealerships fitted them as part of some promotional deal. The only tracker system that came with the later LCRs was TRACKER RETRIEVE, which was the basic tracker system at the time.
Tracker Retrieve can only be activated by the Tracker call centre after you have asked them to do so, and this suggests that the tracker device fitted to your car was Tracker Retrieve :)
Tracker Retrieve retailed at about £199 at the time and you paid the annual subscription on top. Tracker Horizon was a much more modern device and used GPS technology and retailed at over £500 + subscription. This system activated automatically if the vehicle was moved when activated. The first thing you would know about it was when the Tracker call centre phoned you to tell you that your system had activated and that they were monitoring it.
J:)
The side repeators are different. The 225's have chrome with an orange lens for the bulb, giving the repeater a more orange look when not lit. The 210's have chrome again but are completely chrome with no orange lens for the bulb. IMO the 210 repeater looked alot better and I assume that 225 uses an clear 501 bulb which is lit orange by the lens and the 210 has an orange 501 bulb.
Hello,
can any one tell me how BAM is 12hp more? is it just a different map or just nonsense?
Also sorry to throw a spanner in the works but ive got an 04 plate r and i have a tracker folder and the card clearly states tracker Horizon. perhaps it was an upgrade requested by the forst owner from the standard Tracker Retrieve system?
sportbilly
16-12-2009, 19:08
Different engine code but essentially just a tweeked map.
Did you get this recently?
yes just a few months ago so not too much in the no
Ruddmeister
17-12-2009, 11:01
Also sorry to throw a spanner in the works but ive got an 04 plate r and i have a tracker folder and the card clearly states tracker Horizon. perhaps it was an upgrade requested by the forst owner from the standard Tracker Retrieve system?
Tracker was Dealer fitted to the 225's if I recall so could easily have been an upgrade
Ruddmeister
17-12-2009, 11:13
Its all down to the individual. Some of us wouldn't want their car back if it got nicked and yet others would. Some people are only interested in security on cars if it brings their premiums down - others like the peace of mind decent security on their car gives them.
J:)
I could understand the reference to 'decent security' if the system put the car thief off stealing your car or tried to help prevent them stealing it, however it doesn't.
I'm just not sure how a tracker of this nature would give me 'peace of mind'.....perhaps if I had some faith in the justice system that thieves would be caught, prosecuted, convicted and get a decent sentance I 'might' be more convinced that it had some worth......whether that worth is £199 + annual subscription?? not IMO :shrug:
andycupra
17-12-2009, 11:24
i have a tracker on mine, - it cost me £35, uses a PAYG sim and i simply text it and it sends back its exact coordinates in about 10-15 seconds.
No annual fee blah blah blah.
Tested it after fitting and it, enter coordinates on google maps / satelliteand it identified the exact space the car was parked in a car park.
Why pay loads for a system that is not much cop?
Cupra R-Will
02-06-2010, 16:15
I have an 03 plate r with circular mat clips, square mirrors, retractable parcel shelf strings....but a BAM engine. Think this might have had an engine swap?!
I have an 03 plate r with circular mat clips, square mirrors, retractable parcel shelf strings....but a BAM engine. Think this might have had an engine swap?!
Most likely it has. 225 didn't come out until 53/04 plate.
LEON FRredy
24-07-2010, 00:06
Thanks...i'll help me a lot!:)
Good thread! Its helping me by mine :p
Whats the differencs between facelift and preface lift?
Just minor things like stated mirros, steering wheel? or larger things bumpers grills etc?
Whats the differencs between facelift and preface lift?
Just minor things like stated mirros, steering wheel? or larger things bumpers grills etc?
There was never a facelift as such, the exterior stayed the same apart from the mirrors and the side repeators changed slightly but stayed the same shape. Interior changes were only a single CD player as opposed to the tape player and 6 CD changer and a slightly chunkier steering wheel.
Ah its all clear now, thanks mate
mariuselu
23-10-2010, 12:24
Hello,
I have a 210 Cupra. How the engine can be upgraded to 225? Only remapped?
Thanks
andycupra
23-10-2010, 17:00
Hello,
I have a 210 Cupra. How the engine can be upgraded to 225? Only remapped?
Thanks
the 210 and 225 engines (AMK and BAM coded engines) remap to the same power.
It would appear that they are essentially the same engine the 225 presumably having a slightly different stock ecy map.
There has been alot of discussion on differences between AMK and BAM engines in the past and nobody has found any difference of note.
There was some talk of different pins in the engine, but that seems to have been disproved...
Ps - most 210s tend to give a bit more than 210bhp, and on the 225 i think im right that the figure isnt actually bhp, its something else, i cant remember what, but 222bhp rings a bell. So the difference between the two as standard is likely to be less than it apears.
andycupra
23-10-2010, 17:09
Whats the differencs between facelift and preface lift?
Just minor things like stated mirros, steering wheel? or larger things bumpers grills etc?
when people talk about facelift on this forum they are usually refering to the cupra, not the cupra R.
Early cupras, were more about luxury and were a UK regadging exercise. Seat had a sport model, and in the UK they put all the options on it, leather, ESP cruise, auto wipers, auto dim rear view mirror, CD changer elecric memory seats etc etc and bedadges it as a cupra. the cupra being around £1800 more than the sport..
After a while they dropped the sport and downgraded the cupra so it was more like the sport was, (and dropped price of the cupra).
then they facelifted the cupra, (around 2002) so it now has starfish alloys, a better front and rear bumper and side skirts.
Early cupras just has ordinary bumpers and no skirts. They also has 16" mutispoke alloys.
MarkWabe
31-10-2010, 08:05
Running the risk of being accused of spamming, just wanted to say this guide (and the buying guide) have been a real good read, I'm going to look at a LCR later today, am hoping it's the "one"
Thanks! :)
MarkWabe
04-11-2010, 13:26
Thanks to the guides I read on here, I found a couple of faults and got my LCR for £3400.
Thanks to all the contributing people who posted info. :)
Blimey that's cheap, does it have 'to the moon and back' mileage? :D
MarkWabe
04-11-2010, 14:02
Well, it is "slightly" above average miles of 108k! :D
Needs a bit of love mechanically and a bloody good clean and wheel refurb.
She needs:
Antiroll bar and clamps
Rad fans
Rear washer motor
Cambelt and waterpump due
Full service due (but have history)
2x top mounts on the front
Nothing too major but enough to qualify for much cheapness!
clgale88
29-12-2010, 01:27
Know this is an old thread but im looking at a cupra R im bit confused its a 54 plate in grey on hpi and insurance qoute says its a 225 but it has black badges not the red as stated on here and has red on the steering wheel is this a 225 or 210 well confused :/
MarkWabe
29-12-2010, 08:10
Would say it's a 225 chap.
clgale88
29-12-2010, 10:56
Ok put my mind at rest. not sure what to do bout it yet hpi it and its had 3 former owners last change was january this year and its at a dealer so not sure what to do.
MarkWabe
29-12-2010, 11:05
TBH, follow the guide on here mate, you can't go far wrong. I knew fap all about LCR's before I read this guide and it was a godsend when I went to look at mine, also got me £400 off asking price because of the faults I found. :)
The engines are fairly bulletproof. If it's been serviced regular and appears well looked after sounds OK.
Just listen to your gut feeling, if something doesn't feel "right" don't buy it, you won't enjoy it as much as one that feels right. :)
clgale88
29-12-2010, 11:14
Yea good point well its at a garage havnt rang yet to ask bout it so may ask see bout sdervice history cambelt change etc etc
MarkWabe
29-12-2010, 11:15
I would chap, saves a wasted trip then. :)
clgale88
29-12-2010, 11:17
Yea may have ring them in a min see what they have to say milege dosnt worry me at 69k its if its been reg serviced and had the cambelt change and obviosuly want it to pull like a train so expect the turbo to be ok
MarkWabe
29-12-2010, 11:29
Good luck dude!
You'll soon know from driving it if it's a wrong'un.
Engine code is on, err, the engine if you want to be sure. Also on a sticker under the boot carpet.
clgale88
29-12-2010, 11:43
Cheers fella just read the 1st time buyer thread on here may take that with me if i decide to look at it.
MarkWabe
29-12-2010, 11:56
Thats what I did! Lol!
Go in armed, know the bits that can be an issue, haggle the price!
clgale88
29-12-2010, 12:25
Yea sometime sharder to haggle if car is at a little dealer or isit not.
MarkWabe
29-12-2010, 16:15
Nah, if the car has faults then barter away! All depends on how brave you are!
clgale88
29-12-2010, 16:56
Yea i rang them up just aminute ago and they said its had 2 former keeprs showing on logbook is full serviced by seat bar the past service hasnt had a cambelt chnage but they said they would do it and pay half of the price the inside is mint outside has small mark on front bumper a 3 inch scratch on the back door and few marks on alloys said its a realy nice motor so half tempted to go have a look.
MarkWabe
29-12-2010, 17:04
Doesn't sound too bad mate, if they are going to pay half the price, I would see if they will agree for a Seat dealer to do it, then you get the two year fitted part warranty. :)
Sounds like it's worth a look, all depends on price.
Just make sure you do your homework on what to look for. ;)
clgale88
29-12-2010, 17:09
They said they have a garage at the dealership said everyone who has rang aboput it has asked bout the camblet they said its a £200 job from them and they would only want £100 to do it aswell as there do waterpump aux belt and put a full cambelt kit on it. price of the car with 70k in £5689
MarkWabe
29-12-2010, 17:49
Doesn't sound bad TBH. :)
clgale88
29-12-2010, 17:53
yea so might be goin down tomorrow to have a gander and testdrive it. only prob is its a good hour and a half away.