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Similar to the import one i did for the main site?
I'm doing a "history of SEAT" doc at the moment and just done something else, which you'll be seeing soon, but I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Leon (inc Cupra R) doc with things like back seat squeaking, Pollen filter leak, Air con not working under 3degree etc.
Anyone interested. I'm quite happy to give someone a hand, just dont have the time at the moment to dedicate this 100%
*UPDATE*
A work in progress FAQ now exists, scroll down for the link and feel free to add any comments, will soon update it with the latest issues this month. Last updated 12/2/03
:cheers:
http://www.seatcupra.net/knowledge_base/knowledge_base/seat_leon_faq.html
superleon
24-12-2002, 05:29
Good idea, its very hard to find Leons info in the net:cheers:
mark sheerin
24-12-2002, 10:45
I'll start the ball rolling with a known faults thread but I don't know if I'll be able to do the thing myself as I dont have word.
look for a thread entitled Known SEAT faults...
thanks mark, I'll add that when I get to that post. I've started from the beginning and currently on June 2002, so getting there.
A couple of the "R" boys are helping with their specifics, so i've posted a wip doc up. Not finished etc, and sure there are plenty of mistakes. so please let me know your views etc.
http://www.seatcupra.net/users/andyb/leonFAQ.htm
Once its finished, I'll do the same as the Importing one and leave it up on the boards (or on its own web page) for people to read and comment on for a while before the final one gets posted on the main website,
I dont know much about different wheels, chips or exhausts so if anyone has any info suitable for the guide then drop me an email.
andy
I've finished searching thru the Leon forum last week (so I know a couple of topics have arisen since, which I'll add in) so I've updated the web page with the latest document.
Mark- I seem to have missed your topic (although I have read it b4), so I'll add then when I do the Cupra R and TDi sections.
any mistakes,comments, email me
Sorry the links seem to have been lost copying from Word to the webpackage :(
http://www.seatcupra.net/users/andyb/leonFAQ.htm
Hi andy.
I think that the Leon FAQ is very helpfull specialy for the new Leon owners. I think that you could add some info about the Leon 20VT 4. I know that the specific model is not imported in U.K. but it does in many other countrys. If you can't find any info about it i might could help.
Keep on the good work.
Petros
that would be great. Anything you want to add, put it here or email it to me. Same with anyone else
The 4 weel drive version of the 20vt Leon engine cost about 2000 pounds (3100 Euro) more than the front weel model. Same horse power (180hp) but 130kg (1460kg) more becouse of the Haldex so less max speed 224km/h than 229km/h for the front weel version.
Also you need about 1 liter of petrol, more for every 100km and that is why the rezervoir fill with 60L (55L for the front weel version). The bagadge compartment is 130Lt less(270Lt) and the spare weel is a small one, all these becouse the Haldex.. Another defference is that the rear break disc are 256mm ventilated (232mm and not ventilated for the normal 20vt4)
I think these details are enough for the Leon faq.
cool, thanks petros. I'll add that soon
The leon and toledo share alot of stuff, so i think it would be of interest, if it where a leon/toledo FAQ. Could get the V5 boys to add some of the V5 specific stuff.?
why not?
I welcome any Toledo topics!
I've added a bit about the Toledo at the start.
I've now updated the FAQ upto today's posts.
http://www.seatcupra.net/users/andyb/leonFAQ.htm
As usual feedback welcome. Still waiting for Cupra R topics and havent had a chance to look at TDi section, so if anyone wants to, please go ahead.
Thanks
Wow! you've got quite a bit of stuff already. I start getting some toledo stuff over to U.
Bl00dy hell Andy! :eek:
Just had a look at this and there is loads there. Well done that man! :thumbsup:
Couple of bits to add:-
1.
Bit about "Black" is almost spot-on, but in-between Space Black (pearl) and Black Magic (Metallic), Ebony (solid colour) was the only black on offer.
This was a temporary situation ~ only used for approx 6 weeks around (build date) Nov '01. With such exclusivity, owners of Ebony Black MY02 cars are revered as demi-gods and all round duuudes ;)
Ebony was later adopted as a CupraR "exclusive" colour, as it's so spanky. :p
2.
Additional to Service indicator comments ~ instructions on DIY reset shown here (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=4710&highlight=service+indicator+reset)
UK cars always call for service early as counter is based on conversion from (euro) 15000km interval as opposed to (uk) 10000miles.
3.
Additional to Instrument Lighting.
When dimmer rheostat "pops" only main binacle and stereo (!) lights remain on, but at full (and un-dimmable) brightness. Climate, window and other minor control lights dissapear. Easily fixed - light switch & dimmer unit on dash requires replacement. common fault with 2001 and early 2002 cars.
That's it ~ not flippin' bad when you consider how much info you've got there ~ congrats again.
:cheers:
oops - your thread in the "R" forum just reminded me.
Climate compressor will not activate at low temps as a safety measure ~ ice forming inside compressor is not a good thing.
Compressor will become diabled if:-
1. Temp drops below 1.5 degrees whilst you are driving.
2. Temp is less than 3.5degrees when you start the car. (This is due to the temperature sensor requiring a couple of miles to read correctly - extra margin built in to ensure it compressor doesn't ice up during this period.
Once dissabled, compressor will not become available 'til ambient temp rises above 3.5 degrees again.
:)
Andy hear goes some info. Lets just hope it's useful.
Hi Andy
Nice document just a couple of points!:D
To change the fog lamp bulb on the 03 Cupras you have to undo a small philips screw between the fog lamp and the bumper and then pull the trim off otherwise bits can snap! heheh it was a close call that I saw them!
Its not exactly a space saver spare wheel on the new cupras the tyres on the car are 225 45 R 17 and the spare is a 205 50 R 16 which is the same size as the main wheels and spare on the 02 Cupra (well it was on mine!) So not sure on if that is classed as a space saver? Thought they were the real skinny 105 width things:D
Cruise control is now a factory fit option! I think it was 160 quid or so Kev from Great Covert told me;)
03 Cupra has a two tone horn which I'm sure pete (ICEMAN) will agree is much better than the 02 horn!
03 cupra also has an alarm siren instead of a horn. So u get a woowoo instead of a barpbarp not sure if this is an upgrade in security rating possibly to a battery backed siren??
Thats about all I can think of at the mo;)
Lookin gud keeep at it!:D
m
cool thanks all, I'll add that to the FAQ on the next update
Thanks vey much, much apprciated
andy
Jubjubbird
13-02-2003, 09:29
Originally posted by .:matt:.
03 cupra also has an alarm siren instead of a horn. So u get a woowoo instead of a barpbarp not sure if this is an upgrade in security rating possibly to a battery backed siren??
Mine is a horn:confused:
does yours do the one click to unlock drivers door then another click to unlock all doors?
Is it an early 03??
Andyb
Is there anyway we can have some kind of poll or statistical table type analyses on the coil failures for the forum?
What I mean I suppose is could we ask questions like.
- Do you have a Cupra/R?
- What mileage have you done?
- If so what year/ date of registration was your car - Nov 01MY02/ Aug 02MY03 etc
- Have one or more coils failed? - yes/no
That way we begin to get a picture whether coil failures have occurred on MY03 as well as MY02's and if so whether they are early models or late models etc and roughly how many of MY02's/MY03's have failed so far of the people who have these cars.
From reading the posts it would appear that the problem is confined to the coil parts marked 'H'. But what I'm wondering is that are all the 'H' type parts knackered or is it just a faulty bath of the 'H' parts and is it dependent on mileage done etc.
I guess I'm just wondering whether the data will produce some sort of common them to the failures.
What do you/ everyone else think of this idea?
:cheers:
cmc
no easy way of doing that AFAIK.
Only thing could be to start another coil post asking just for details etc, problem is that could get confusing as here are already loads of coil posts on here anywy.
I couldn't quite figure out a way it could be done either. I was just thinking of what the best way was to collate everone's (bad) expereinces of the subject.
I think a Poll has been set up by Stevekay so we can use that one I think.
:cheers:
cmc
Jubjubbird
14-02-2003, 08:32
Originally posted by .:matt:.
does yours do the one click to unlock drivers door then another click to unlock all doors?
Is it an early 03??
One click for the lot only
Import if that makes a difference, came through about the same time as Getgaff's, Dangel's etc, First batch of imports to arrive
Andy -
(MY03)No Cupra badge on rear
Thats not strickly true, I had one and I'm guessing I'm not the only one?
European Imports have full trip computers, average fuel consumption, distance gone, time since your last stop, time of journey, immediate fuel econ, clock. external temp . UK have a simplified LCD display
Mine has all of the above, I thought it was standard on all MY03?
Climate control DOES NOT work below 3-5 degree (there does seem to be a small variation with this) degrees. The snowflakes tells you if its on. This is normal!
Think mine works below this temp, tho I have memory lapses :p
20VTs, should be around ????. Tank full is approximately 250miles.
I'm averaging 23 mpg in heavy/moderate traffic so its prolly 15-40 depending on driving conditions and lead footedness, but I'm sure that I'm completely wrong and someone has managed to do 8 mpg or something :p
Thanks for all the work you've put into this Andy, very informative :)
Originally posted by Teq
Andy -
Thats not strickly true, I had one and I'm guessing I'm not the only one?
OK, I'll add that MY03 may come with Badges, anyone else NOT have a badge?
Mine has all of the above, I thought it was standard on all MY03?
Didnt realise that, will change in the next update
Think mine works below this temp, tho I have memory lapses :p
Mine does as well, it seems to varey somewhat accoridng to car or engine. I'll make it more vague!
I'm averaging 23 mpg in heavy/moderate traffic so its prolly 15-40 depending on driving conditions and lead footedness, but I'm sure that I'm completely wrong and someone has managed to do 8 mpg or something :p
Thanks, I know 25-22 sounds about right, was going to do a search at the time, but forgot
Theodore
28-02-2003, 08:04
Hi,
Because I am ready to buy a Leon VT4, I want to know how I can know if the car they will give to me, will be early or late 03 model.
Theodore.
dont know i'm afraid as we dont have the VT4 here. I think later Cupra R's dont have the internal door locking bttons. Not sure if thats across the Leon range
Originally posted by Theodore
Hi,
Because I am ready to buy a Leon VT4, I want to know how I can know if the car they will give to me, will be early or late 03 model.
Theodore.
It is quite difficult to find out about the exact date of production as from car to car there are some changes as the internal door locking (as andyb said before).
May be your local dealer can give you some information about the production date..
As far i can remember when i placed my order i was informed of the week in wich my car was supposed to be produced... Exept there is a stock in Greece or Spain..
But when i ordered mine (01/01) there was no stock so i had to wait about 2 months..;)
Andy,
Excellent work.
Thanks for your efforts.
BTW the outer honeycomb grills for the Leon R should fit (I hope!).
The honeycomb centre grill would need to be very carefully trimmed and glued and set into the existing surround.
I've not been brave enough to try it yet! :o
:cheers:
Jon@VAGWORX
09-06-2003, 16:12
The cupra R has an 18" (full size) spare wheel to clear the brakes.
Nice review mate, top spec.:)
sjtscott
25-06-2003, 17:48
Andy, not sure if this still helps you but my recently delivered official UK MY03 Cupra has the following things std:
Redesigned Mirrors
Leather Electric Seats gives electric folding mirrors (dealer's demo cloth seat cupra had no folding mirrors)
Cupra badge on the left on the hatchback door
Full trip computer
No centre armrest (imports only?)
No 12v power socket in the boot
Auto door locking/unlocking
Staged door unlocking
andyb:
AFAIK the Cupra R has a full trip computer, will ask LDoR to post and confirm when he gets back tho
Sooty torques
28-08-2003, 17:15
andyb:
Found the FAQ very useful. May I suggest a couple of additions?
1)Maybe you could add something about masking headlights for driving on the opposite side of the road? To warn other Leon owners?
Check out this thread: http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22311
Apparently, "Metro Beam Benders" are supposedly safe for use on Polycarbonate lenses.
2)Also: Those folks importing Leons to the UK should consider getting cruise fitted before importing, as the necessary connections and wiring are generally left out of the loom in non-UK spec cars.
Cheers mate.
I'm not updating this anymore as I couldnt get enough input from members to help me with it. Maybe someone else with more time might want to take it over?
THROBACK
03-11-2003, 17:34
Andy,
Just a note to say thanks! I've had my Leon for about 2 months now and have been trying frantically to get the memory seat working to no avail. However, I helpfully found your para on resetting the seats and now they work a treat - cheers! Saved me another 1hour inspection fee from the dealer!
Thro
shomihaq
14-12-2003, 16:45
Hi
I'm new to this Forum and hoping to buy a Toledo/Leon very soon (I've missed a few good ones ...)
Just wanted to say that the FAQ is an excellent piece of work. Unbelievably helpful.
Thanks
Shomi
El Dingo
05-01-2004, 22:57
andyb - this is excellent!
Don't forget to add the following:
* Cupra R flakey knob prob.
* Need to 'simmer' turbos after hard run (to avoid carbonising oil).
* LCR steering tends to follow cambers/ruts (often reported as 'my car veers to the left').
* Rear centre and LH seat belt buckles knock together causing annoying rattle.
Hope my twopennorth helps!
(BTW - Hi Petros - We Love Chania!)
:cloud9:
I note under "climate control general" in http://www.seatcupra.net/users/andyb/leonFAQ.htm that it says that you can read the car's diagnostics through the Climate control display (accurate speed etc).......surely this is only the climate controls diagnostics & not the car's diagnostics...or am I reading it wrong ?
Paul
Right, I'm gonna have a stab at keeping this alive, updated and redesigned version here: http://www.saywell.net/leon/faq.html :D
I've stripped some stuff out that I'm not sure is relevant any more and added a few other bits and bobs. I've also tried to tweak it here and there to appeal to the newbie audience ;)
It's not finished yet, but I've had enough for tonight :hide:
I am more than willing to accept additions and corrections, PM or email em to mike AT saywell.net
:cheers:
Does anybody know which models have less than 910 kilos (2006 pounds) front axle load ?
Got the info. LCR, Cupra and PD150 have 980 kilos as maximum front axle load and 930 kilos as max rear axle load.
This link appears to be a dead link
http://www.seatcupra.net/users/andyb/leonFAQ.htm
has it been moved?
Cheers
This link appears to be a dead link
http://www.seatcupra.net/users/andyb/leonFAQ.htm
has it been moved?
Cheers
http://www.seatcupra.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=277&Itemid=6
great write up so far, I'v found it useful already and havent even picked up my car yet, so just thought i'd so a bit of appreciation! cheers
YoungDan
08-04-2008, 17:08
Really really useful to new Leon owners. :D
Very nice guide. Reporting a dead link:
SEATs official line
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13732
Details available here on the BBC Watchdog site:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/repor...?subcat=vwcoils <--- the "..."