View Full Version : APR Stage 3+ COLLECTED TODAY!!
Collected my chariot from Jim today after a long haul up the M5/M6.
Just like a big thanks to Jim and the lads at Awesome.
For a first conversion the car is incredible....thought my old valver was quick!!
Got to learn to get used to the grunt..it's so refined and smooth.
Thought it may be slightly laggy compared to KO3 power....wrong.
Between 2-3k it's better ythan before very smooth with plenty of ooomph!!
Over 3k it just fly's all the way to 7k.
The install looks so neat and stock just what I wanted. Just a blue intake pipe into the airbox.
Super quiet except for the ingestation of air by the blower.
Just going to run it around for a month before I take it back for a checkover.
On the journey back at normal motorway speeds and a few blasts I was seeing an incredible 33mpg.!!
Got 4 programmes on the ECU including a race fuel programme as well as 95/98 ron.
Intercooler seems OK at the present but will be changed later.
Brilliant all round package IMO.:funk:
Ian
AndyHazza
06-04-2007, 22:33
Its great to hear it Ian, I'm glad your happy with it.... roll on Inters (if you can make it that is :))
Cheers Andy....I'll ring on Tuesday...who needs an Evo!
Ian, that all sounds amazing.......keep smiling!!
mackdaddy
07-04-2007, 00:35
Sounds fantastic....
Awesome will have plenty of people waiting for prices....
Me included....
awesome_dean
10-04-2007, 11:11
will keep you posted on prices;-)
Glad all is well Ian, speak soon.
Dean
MkIV Turbo
10-04-2007, 11:44
Sounds like a fantastic conversion Ian, have you got a lsd fitted? How do you find traction?
YerMother
10-04-2007, 12:26
Fair play Ian
i'm mighty jealous of you!
Got anymore power figures with the code sorted now?
Sounds like a fantastic conversion Ian, have you got a lsd fitted? How do you find traction?
Quaiffe diff already fitted together with uprated Sachs Sports clutch and lightened flywheel....had it fitted a while ago now.
No problems with traction thus far in the dry....bug camber angles on some minor country lanes needs respect.
Ian
how did the car feel after the diff clutch and lighter flywheel?
how did the car feel after the diff clutch and lighter flywheel?
Superb...stock smoothness still.
Diff really is a hidden gem especially on track. I used it for 2 yrs on track with KO3s APR mapped and diff...brilliant all round package.
Track rubber is a must though!!
cool ill be looking forward to this then when it comes out of the shop.
cool ill be looking forward to this then when it comes out of the shop.
Just running it around bedding things in making sure everything settles.
Cause for concern yesterday when engine light came on misfiring huffing and puffing and loss of boost.
Thankfully found that number 2 cylinder coil pack had literally packed up.
Bought a full set as it's still on OE since new.
Still the car is a truly flexible companion. The on road manners are commmendable. Between 2-3k it's a joy driving around town with oodles of omph from just 2800 onwards. The spool is very smooth and progessive.
Still getting 30mpg around town and over on a run.
Blistering pace surprising a few in other performance hatches.
Next mod will be trying the eccentric hubs which give excellent handling/traction results apparently!!
Combe beckons.
Ian
Sounds like a worthwhile conversion....
Glad you are happy with the power hike ; )
Scotty_b
11-04-2007, 21:35
Would love to se ethis in the flesh and some final power graphs. Best get some hitachi (sp?) ones or get the bolt down covers to try and reduce the risk of them going again
Gonna book up Ford RS day at Combe...a must as it is every year.
There a couple of things to do prior to track work.
Forgot to mention that the car also has a Race fuel programme...pushes power up yet again... won't be using that on stock internals.
See you all at Inters
Next mod will be trying the eccentric hubs which give excellent handling/traction results apparently!!
Ian
Glad its all going well - awesome are a good bunch of guys
whats an eccentric hub then ?
Triple D
12-04-2007, 12:56
What car is this on? sorry i may have missed you saying, is it a mk3 cupra? and what sort of power is it putting out? sorry for the stupid questions if they are :hide:
AndyHazza
12-04-2007, 13:19
Its on a MK4 Golf Triple D :)
ibizacupra
12-04-2007, 13:33
Next mod will be trying the eccentric hubs which give excellent handling/traction results apparently!!
Ian
wassat Ian?
got any info on what this is?
stoneyfordNI
12-04-2007, 13:36
eccentric top mounts???
it's the differnt hubs on the S3/LCR to the Golf/Leon
The steering arms are at a much better height, and the wishbone pick up is much better positioned, so the wishbones & steering is level, not pointing up
if that makes sense!
ibizacupra
12-04-2007, 14:46
oh that.
nothing new then
these are only an advantage on a lowered car - and I dont really understand how they improve traction ?????? maybe reduce roll on a lowered car but not traction.......care to enlighten us Ian ?
see http://www.h2sport.com/products.php?productid=296
these are only an advantage on a lowered car - and I dont really understand how they improve traction ?????? maybe reduce roll on a lowered car but not traction.......care to enlighten us Ian ?
see http://www.h2sport.com/products.php?productid=296
Rob
I'll dig out some reviews and post them on here........supposedly a big improvement as you say on lowered cars....also helps premature wear on the inside edges of tyres that afflicts MK4's especially running lowered suspension and bigger wheels.
Certainly car has improved with 4 new coil packs....couldn't believe 36-38mpg on a trip out today...something you would never see on an Evo with all that 4 wheel drag.
Ian
sounds like its going well, good stuff, have been considering the apr stage 3 stuff for my B6 A4 1.8T quattro but cannot bring myself to spend so much on the car when I could have a V8 S4 still in warranty for same dough, tempting though. Then again quite fancy a V10 tuareg.....decisions decisions
ibizacupra
13-04-2007, 08:37
you cant get a V10 tuareg - I want one of them :)
went to try one out a few weeks back - fantastic - and more room than the A4
AndyHazza
13-04-2007, 10:42
have been considering the apr stage 3 stuff for my B6 A4 1.8T quattro but cannot bring myself to spend so much on the car when I could have a V8 S4 still in warranty for same dough, tempting though.
But it will be quicker than the S4 Rob :)
Rob
Speak to Jim at Awesome re testing at Brunters.....he put his APR'd A4 up against the new RS4.
Tested all increments 0-60 1/4 mile 0-100 in gear acceleration etc needless to say the APR Stage 3 was quicker!!
Evo magazine also used Awesome's APR'd MK5 for some review out next month...believe it was a track oriented article!
APR conversion is a worthwhile kit if your keeping the car....I too was in the same dilema with the MKIV. My main deciding factor was what I had already spent on my car ie brakes diff suspension bushing roll bars I/C etc etc etc. Losing a shed load to start all over again was pointless. Only car I found a big step on 'out of the box' was a Evo FQ MR340...too expensive to run service etc.
RS4 nice but very heavy and still commanding £20k for average mileage cars...still weak brakes again...big bucks to rectify and again running costs!!
Tourage sounds a good proposition...strong residuals especially V10.
Ian
rs4 has weak brakes? are they not off a gallardo?
AndyHazza
13-04-2007, 12:12
Old RS4 brakes were poor... new one is actually very good for brakes. Been in a customers one with the ceramic option on it and man it nearly ripped my face off on deceleration.
Well, you all know might thoughts on Aweomes Stage3+ A4, BUT...
I've never driven a B6 S4, let alone a new RS4, but I would hope that they were both faster or at least felt faster on the road than the APR A4 because of the lag (not helped by the lightened flywheel, I think). In the APR A4, 6th is useless below about 100. Owners might occasionally track an Stage 3 A4, but for the money it's not the first car you'd pick as a track day car.
I think the issue is that you can spend £20k and have a 1.8T Quattro (I wouldn't do it with a FWD, although I'd be interesting to see what one was like) that's got 360 odd bhp and goes like stink, something a bit special/different and perhaps a car that you can use as a bit of a project. Or you could get a V8 S4, with dealer warranty and have the S4 interior, etc etc
Or if you want an RS4 for 20k, get a B5.
Again, I'll state clearly, I adore the Stage3+ A4. If was going to BT a car, it would be an A4Q as I have a philosphy about not having "weekend specials" when it comes to cars/bikes. Mine need to be driven every day, or there's no point. But, when you look at the cost (and it's not "expensive" just "high cost"), you're back to looking at S4's. If I was looking for a track car, it wouldn't be an A4Q (I don't think it would be anything VAG).
So, it struggles to fit in any category, if you catch my drift. An A4Q with a K04-23 might be a better option for a road car.
How far off topic did I just go :blink: ?
AndyHazza
13-04-2007, 14:15
Well you know we use ours everyday Phil :) We had an issue with the rear diff on ours which was causing a juddering etc. We've changed it over now and its superb again. I love the car to bits and cant wait to get it on the strip at inters again this year.
ibizacupra
13-04-2007, 14:32
are they the 8pots on RS4's? (new ones)
AndyHazza
13-04-2007, 14:53
I think so, or 6 pots at least
ibizacupra
13-04-2007, 15:04
8pots on my S8 off an RS6 and they seem to work quite well :D
Phil....certainly very pleased with the conversion on my car...not laggy at all, could be a weight/extra ttransmission losses on the Q drivetrain that may amplify any lag issues.
One reason I chose the APR was the everyday usage and it's proven reliability in the US and worldwide.
Ian, what exhaust do you have?
Well you know we use ours everyday Phil :) We had an issue with the rear diff on ours which was causing a juddering etc. We've changed it over now and its superb again. I love the car to bits and cant wait to get it on the strip at inters again this year.
Hmm, I've thought long and hard since I make that last post, and I have to say I'd still love to take an A4Q and Stage 3+ it. £55K performance for £20k? Bargain :D
In fact, I now wish I'd have bitten the bullet and done it...
P.S. Maybe the juddering rear diff didn't help the drive :shrug:
Hmm, I've thought long and hard since I make that last post, and I have to say I'd still love to take an A4Q and Stage 3+ it. £55K performance for £20k? Bargain :D
In fact, I now wish I'd have bitten the bullet and done it...
P.S. Maybe the juddering rear diff didn't help the drive :shrug:
Let's excactly how I feel abut my Golf....where else can you buy that performance and all round package for road and track?
Imagine Jim's TT will be outstanding when finished[B)]