APR or REVO ? [Archive] - SEAT Cupra.net

Revo Mark

01-01-2003, 20:13

The site refers to some new software to allow you so change the settings of your own car sounds like trouble if you ask me!

Hi

Regarding changing settings, this implies that you can switch between stock and performance mode by pre-selecting the SPS switch, inserting it into the diagnostic port and after a few seconds an audible bleep indicates the program switching. You can then remove the SPS and start the car. An alternative to EMCS without the need of cruise control. The car is programmed by via the OBD2 port, can be switched via the OBD2 port, with no need to open up the ECU. We have two engineers from the USA now in full time employment with REVO. We have developed this new technology to cater for the VAG range of cars that will be applied to different marques in the near future. All of the diedel code in the last few months via APR Europe you will notice was marketed under the R-Tec label on the APR Europe website. Fear not our expertise with tuning lay within the VAG marque and new staffing will be taken on to work with the new developments outside this. However new developments will be underway for SEAT,VW,Audi and Skoda cars like turbo upgrades, intercoolers and exhausts. We will be the official supplier of performance software to Forge Motorsport and will be working hand in hand with them on such hardware products as a tuning solutions partner.

Revo Technik is made up of all the existing staff of APR Europe along with new engineers. You can expect the same level of product as before, along with the unrivelled level of customer support we are renown for. A press release will be sent to Lee for this site to support this.

In the meantime if you require further info, then please email us at info@revotechnik.com .

best regards
Mark
Revo Technik.

Shock_Xe

01-01-2003, 22:31

Originally posted by Revo Mark

Hi

Regarding changing settings, this implies that you can switch between stock and performance mode by pre-selecting the SPS switch, inserting it into the diagnostic port and after a few seconds an audible bleep indicates the program switching. You can then remove the SPS and start the car. An alternative to EMCS without the need of cruise control. The car is programmed by via the OBD2 port, can be switched via the OBD2 port, with no need to open up the ECU. We have two engineers from the USA now in full time employment with REVO. We have developed this new technology to cater for the VAG range of cars that will be applied to different marques in the near future. All of the diedel code in the last few months via APR Europe you will notice was marketed under the R-Tec label on the APR Europe website. Fear not our expertise with tuning lay within the VAG marque and new staffing will be taken on to work with the new developments outside this. However new developments will be underway for SEAT,VW,Audi and Skoda cars like turbo upgrades, intercoolers and exhausts. We will be the official supplier of performance software to Forge Motorsport and will be working hand in hand with them on such hardware products as a tuning solutions partner.

Revo Technik is made up of all the existing staff of APR Europe along with new engineers. You can expect the same level of product as before, along with the unrivelled level of customer support we are renown for. A press release will be sent to Lee for this site to support this.

In the meantime if you require further info, then please email us at info@revotechnik.com .

best regards
Mark
Revo Technik.

So what happens now to existing APR customers??? Can they use revotech products and upgrades??? i.e. SPS and future products??

leonvt2001

07-01-2003, 13:34

I have to say I like the idea of "flashing" the chip through a simple software upload - no risk of dodgy soldering / chips popping out etc.

I appreciate the R&D that must have gone into this product, but £499 for a 10 minute job with a laptop? :eek:

Still I guess it's a great business model!

SteveN
'01 Leon 20VT
(Wishing he had 500quid in his back pocket)

Getgaff

07-01-2003, 13:41

A great idea IMO with no physical evidence of chipping the car.

You could probably get away with not telling your insurance company...

m0rk

07-01-2003, 13:50

We get that a lot in my line of work

we make custom grpahics cards for one customer - when they asked why we wanted £28,000 for each one & they asked wh we just said 'go design one yourself then'

they ordered 200

Originally posted by leonvt2001
I have to say I like the idea of "flashing" the chip through a simple software upload - no risk of dodgy soldering / chips popping out etc.

I appreciate the R&D that must have gone into this product, but £499 for a 10 minute job with a laptop? :eek:

Still I guess it's a great business model!

SteveN
'01 Leon 20VT
(Wishing he had 500quid in his back pocket)

Shock_Xe

07-01-2003, 13:57

Your paying for the knowledge i suppose and the R&D. Its just that people want to see time for their money as if it takes 10mins people asume it cant be that hard! where if it took 3hrs it seems like 'value for money' even though the outcome is the same!

leonvt2001

07-01-2003, 14:10

Originally posted by leonvt2001

I appreciate the R&D that must have gone into this product, but £499 for a 10 minute job with a laptop? :eek:

Thought that would provoke a response. :)

The "2 hour demo" mode is a fabulous innovation - try before you buy shareware style. Just what is needed to help convince SWMBO that it is a worthwhile purchase.

And on the subject of
Originally posted by Getgaff

You could probably get away with not telling your insurance company...

Not a good idea - if they find out your insurance will be void (not much use if you have just critically injured someone).

SteveN

Getgaff

07-01-2003, 14:20

Not a good idea - if they find out your insurance will be void (not much use if you have just critically injured someone).
I agree, but do insurance companies have the means to detect software changes? Hardware changes are usually easy to see, but find a flash program? It could be tempting not to inform a mod-unfriendly insurance company.

Forgot to add - the 2hr demo, great idea. Try before you buy, how good is that :D

mark sheerin

07-01-2003, 14:41

If I was excited excited enough I'd probably get a lot less than ten minutes out of Holly Valance for probably a lot more than £499

Three cheers for Revo's Bargain thrillseekers prayer.

Hello Holly....fiver just to look up yer skirt...I won't fiddle with anything:D

Ozy

07-01-2003, 16:35

Not sure where my last post went??? Well I said something like this...

I went to REVO on Friday and got the Plug & Play treatment. I had a Cupra but now have a rocket.

Pleased??? - That would be an understatement!

All I can say to you who are moaning about the cost/how good are they etc... Go get yourself one - you will save yourself money as the mpg is fantastic (In the year I have had my car I have been getting 24 mpg, since Friday I have been getting 30-34mpg)Also you will have much more time to gossip about how GOOD your new software is as you will get everywhere sooooooooo much faster!!!

Next question - why are you still reading this when you should be out getting yourself some!!!

Thanks to all the guys at REVO - I will be back for the 3 switch thingy... even if it is just so I can give the car a drive up the M1

le cupra

07-01-2003, 19:08

Where abouts are Revo based as I can't get the website to open at all.
What gains do you get for the £500 as I was thinking of getting my Cupra Jabba'd.

m0rk

07-01-2003, 19:13

http://www.seatcupra.net/~mark/revo.jpg

le cupra

07-01-2003, 19:55

Thanks Mark

Shock_Xe

07-01-2003, 21:11

I was thinking bout getting my APR one upgraded to the REVO as APR may be going down the pan now their main guys have left.

Anyone know if the Revo proggy is superior/newer than the APR one??

John

07-01-2003, 21:40

Originally posted by Shock_Xe
I was thinking bout getting my APR one upgraded to the REVO as APR may be going down the pan now their main guys have left.

Anyone know if the Revo proggy is superior/newer than the APR one??

I think a phone call to them is the job for me tommorow i like the sound of the variable program bit extra boast for those traffic light grand prix! :devil:

MARRA

07-01-2003, 21:57

Does anyone know of any dealers yet? It's a long way down south

beez

07-01-2003, 22:29

Just wonder, what happens to all of us that committed to APR europe?
Surely technical support now from the US was not on the list. Will revo offer an upgrade path from APR Stage 1 to their programs?(with the relevant price of course) also if your ECU has been chipped and modded, can it then be serially programmed or does this only applied to the original untouched ECU?

:confused:

Revo Mark

07-01-2003, 22:53

Will revo offer an upgrade path from APR Stage 1 to their programs?(with the relevant price of course)

Hi Beez

Indeed they will. Anyone who as had a chip from APR Europe Ltd or any of their dealer network prior to December 16th 2002 can have their car car upgraded to REVO software free of charge. This will only be carried out at Revo HQ in Daventry though. If anyone chooses the switching option, then they will have to purchase the SPS at the regular cost.

best regards
mark...

John

07-01-2003, 22:56

Originally posted by beez
Just wonder, what happens to all of us that committed to APR europe?
Surely technical support now from the US was not on the list. Will revo offer an upgrade path from APR Stage 1 to their programs?(with the relevant price of course) also if your ECU has been chipped and modded, can it then be serially programmed or does this only applied to the original untouched ECU?

:confused:

as posted by Mark in Cupra R Forum:

Originally posted by Revo Mark
Hi Bill

Just to clear up a little confusion regarding APR Europe/Revo technik? . Two of the main engineers left APR USA in the early part of the year and developed the new product that everybody is talking about. They joined myself, mitchell and geoff to form Revo technik. We needed to branch out further and this was something APR could not support. With new technology and development plans that include Subaru and Mitsubishi, we had to steer a different path hence Revo!Fear not our expertise lay in the VAG market and new staff will be taken on the deal with projects involving Subaru and the likes. You will also see that over the last few days, Forge Motorsport have released information regarding Forge and Revo. Revo will be the official suppliers of software to Forge and will work very closeley with Forge as a Tuning solution partner by way of new hardware product and associated software for VW/Audi and SEAT cars amongst others. Both Mitchell and myself will be on the Forge stand during Autosports international this week, so drop by and have a chat. Otherwise give me a call at the office if you need more info. I would also like to point out that APR product will be available from some of the existing APR Europe dealers. However any technical queries with regard to APR product, we will gladly assist and help the best we can. On another note, any current APR Europe customers with EMCS already installed will have available, the option of a free upgrade to Revo softeware should they so wish. Please see www.revotechnik.com for more info.

best regards
Mark.

beez

07-01-2003, 23:06

Originally posted by Revo Mark
Hi Beez

Indeed they will. Anyone who as had a chip from APR Europe Ltd or any of their dealer network prior to December 16th 2002 can have their car car upgraded to REVO software free of charge. This will only be carried out at Revo HQ in Daventry though. If anyone chooses the switching option, then they will have to purchase the SPS at the regular cost.

best regards
mark...

Nice :) and very professional approach to the existing customer base.

Will check the website

cheers

Shock_Xe

07-01-2003, 23:13

isnt sps like the cruise??

MARRA

08-01-2003, 08:36

I was wondering whether the dyno plots will be carried over from APR?:confused: It's quite alot to take in:confused2

MARRA

08-01-2003, 08:53

The Anti theft system sounds a bargain at £199 plus VAT. Scum can't start your car even if you've had to hand over your keys to them, mind you I'd run like F**k before they realise and come back for the code:p

beez

08-01-2003, 23:33

-> Revo Mark

are there any plans to support the K04 any time soon?

cupra192

09-01-2003, 11:09

What about us in scotland that will mean we will have to travel
hundreds of miles to get the new software, is no way the new hardwere
can be sent to jim at star performane for us to get it.

markmck

09-01-2003, 11:19

Any new dealers coming on board - say in Northern Ireland ?

Revo Mark

09-01-2003, 22:42

Hi Guys... sorry this is a little quick and short, but here is the answer to a few of your questions!

beez
Yes we are planning to work with some turbo upgrade packages for SEAT Ibiza and Leon.

Cupra192
Hopefully Star performance will be our first Scottish agent. Spoke to him today at Autosports Show.

Markmck
We are currently talking to a couple of prospective dealers for Ireland, but still researching Northeren Ireland.. any idea’s?

best regards
Mark

Eki

11-01-2003, 12:56

Hi,

This just popped in to my mind: think about Revo upgrades, laptop, cable, cellular phone and PC-Anywhere.. :D Since this is software only upgrade, it is possible to make these online? Living in Finland and no Revo dealers here but my Visa is working....

-Eki

taglo

11-01-2003, 15:08

Agree with Eki...

Good idea... :thumbsup:

MARRA

11-01-2003, 17:16

How about mobile fitting in the UK? (whilst at work etc.)

beez

12-01-2003, 13:43

so anybody tried REVO new programs and can talk about them? are there any differences with APR?

m0rk

12-01-2003, 15:11

I was chatting with Mark @ Revo on Friday @ autosport show - I should be headed for a test drive some time soon

Will tell you then

Mark

LEO LION R

14-01-2003, 09:49

Revo Mark ; I can guess you guys are busy right now, but i have no replies to my emails.

On the site it says Leon R upgrade £499+vat, does that include the SPS1 + SPS3, or are those the only options available for this model ?

Could you please also post the before and after RR graphs for us to see.

:cheers:

beez

14-01-2003, 10:02

Lion got the same problem. no reply to my email. At least I hope this will be looked at when they have some more time and have not ended in the recycle bin!

I am particularly interested to find about any Turbo upgrade packages and whether this will be supported by modified software or whether they will just work with existing software with no updates.

I feel the primary shortcoming of the K03 is its low power after 5000 rpm...

ZBOYD

14-01-2003, 10:07

Think they've been having technical problems with their email system chaps. Nothing personal its just broke on them.

Was mentioned to me last week, that they had some problems with the mail server. They've just undergone a move of premises.

LEO, by the time you decide on a chip, we'll all be on warp engines :D

Going off the site, the upgrade is £499 and its availble with additional items SPS1 and SPS3 at present, SPS2 says call for details, so its either available or not yet.

SPS1 is extra £149 SPS3 is extra £249

Though from what i gather, if you have SPS3, that includes the features of SPS1. so its more like an extra £100.

Best thing to do is rather than emailing them, give them a call on
01327 301901

They are all top chaps, and will explain to you straight over the phone, they dont bite.

Saul

14-01-2003, 10:14

Originally posted by ZBOYD
LEO, by the time you decide on a chip, we'll all be on warp engines

roflmfao :rotfl: :D

LEO LION R

14-01-2003, 11:13

LEO, by the time you decide on a chip, we'll all be on warp engines

:duck: roflmfao too ! :laff:

I have decided that it is what i want (long time ago) i just want to find out more about it untill i can afford it (or DD with them ?) :head: unless that is, you all put me out of my misery and chip in for it :hug: (no pun intended ;) )

I am very interested to see what is done about the program, if it has been updated since written (on a 550mile car). Probably puts out to much power for it to handle on a car with more miles.

So a graph of before, 1st program and maybe an updated one would be fantastic for us to see (not just me :wink2: )

:cheers: :duck:

P.S. :eek: £880 IS AN AWFUL LOT OF DOSH (chip + SPS3) Suddenly Upsolute looks the better value for money choice again

LEO LION R

14-01-2003, 11:24

Going off the site, the upgrade is £499 and its availble with additional items SPS1 and SPS3

have to disagree with that, it looks to me (see attatched) that you read across te way.

Part number / Car model / Features with it / Final cost / Availability

I was convinced at £499 (£586) all in, but another £249 (£292) - nah it'll be this time next year at the earliest for me - now i'm depressed :( ( Upsolute less than £300 and switchable )

:cheers:

ZBOYD

14-01-2003, 11:41

£748 i make it for chip and and SPS-3

If you want only chip and SPS-1 it will be £648

Difference being with this procedure is no intrusive ECU removal or soldering, flash you exisisting ECU.

Seems better from a warranty point of view to me.

At the end of the day it may seem expensive, but it the development work thats gone into it people are paying for.

There is no other system like this out there that does it this way.

Simply and effectively

Ive been running a chipped car for well over 18 months, got no problems here.

As for your question about it being setup on Max's car when it was low mileage. The APR software was adaptive, i know this as mine is too, so actually can adjust using Throttle Body Alignment, so it makes little difference if the car was chipped with 550 miles or 50000 miles.

At a guess i would say the REVO software is based on this map anyway, as it was they that developed the software for Max's R anyway.

Believe me you can go over Rolling Road curves until your blue in the face, it doesn't take into account, temperature, humidty, charge temps.

Max's could be run on a RR today, and be up or down on what the original qouted figure was.

Too many variables have to be considered to make a truly accurate rolling road graph. unless of course you can borrow, Mclarens Wind Tunnel maybe.

So stated figures of 252bhp on Max's car could be plus or minus depending when, what, why and where you are at the time.

Any chip company that says otherwise is talking thru their preverbial.

Best way to test power from chips is at multiple RR events, especially the one we'll run at Stealth in a few weeks, when the rollers are fixed ;) Get people together with similar cars, and run them with someone who knows how to get the best out of the engines they use, and monitor charge temps so they are near as damn it equal on each run for each car, that way your ensured of at least a similar and equal test.

Still no guarantee though that you'll get stated power, or in fact you may get more than stated power.

REVO/APR stated figures are representative of the figures they got when they produced the map. My own chip was stated at 207bhp, but produced 208bhp on the rollers the day it was fitted, this was on a car with just over 10000 miles at the time.

Chips have one major benefit in my opinion, and the most important feature they offer.

THEY MAKE YOUR CAR GO QUICK.

And if you notice the difference, often reffered to as THE BUTT DYNO, then you've achieved what you aimed for.

LEO LION R

14-01-2003, 12:14

Cheers for the reply so quick, the cost i stated included VAT (as the site says the prices shown exclude vat) hence difference between your £748 and my £880 (£878.90 if you want to be fussy)

I had thought that the software came with free lifetime updates, which i thought meant as engines added more miles they may adapt the programme to suit. My misunderstanding if that's not how it works.

I agree about the warranty (discreet) point of view - absolutely perfect, which swayed me to them.

I only wanted the RR graphs to compare them with where the power comes in at (i'm not a tech head but do like to observe things like this) If the colourful one on APR site is anything to go by then it means a constant rise to a peak in the torque, which is quit edifferent to the standrad one (i am guessing because i can't find one anywhere) but manufacturer claims peak of 199lb/ft betwen 2100-5000rpm. Very similar as you'd expect to the Cupra 173lb/ft between 1950-5000rpm (lower peak because of K03 spool up quicker).

It would just be nice to see them, simply and effectively showing what they do.

Another minor question was that the APR site states the S3 is tuned to 1.4bar and gets 262bhp / 270lb/ft and yet the Leon R is also stated as 1.4 bar and 252bhp / 265lb/ft. Now i understand that they didn't go for the same power for driveability reasons, i just dont understand how they get more power from the same boost level ?

FInally are there any known problems with overheating on a heavily chipped car ? or is it just the turbos life span that is shortened (by maybe 60-80k instead of 120k+)

I have my car lined up for a RR at Star soon too, 15 cars all different - don't know if i'll bother now.

ZBOYD

14-01-2003, 12:31

Sorry missed that on the site, thought they included.

Lifetime updates, based on major revisions if neccersary. Dependnant on whether they discover anything new they didnt before.

Only way you'll ever see it proven is to see a car chipped produce it on a Rolling Road, i have seen it proven, i have no reason to disbelieve the figures for the R are any less genuine.

The reason more than likely they have power differences on the S3 and R, using the same the boost levels, are porbably due to the wya they've mapped it. May have tuned the torque to come in later on the R to lessen grip issues, im no expert.

Leo best advice i can give you, if you dont take it, then its your problem.

This is my advice.

PHONE THEM, they dont bite.

LEO LION R

14-01-2003, 12:40

Leo best advice i can give you, if you dont take it, then its your problem.

Eh... i don't think you have to be like that, the only problem i have is finding a graph of before and after - and the other small matter of finding £880.

:cheers:

ZBOYD

14-01-2003, 12:50

Im just offering my opinion, i think if your so interested, ask the people who know.

On the otherhand get your own before graph, get the REVO demo, they offer it as a demo, they will do your car, and then you can get before and after result for yourself.

If its not to your liking, no worries the demo will revert back to stock anyway after the demo time.

Though I still dont think it will answer your questions anyway :)

If you can't afford the £880, then that usually is a deciding factor for me, if i cant afford it, i dont get it either.

All depends how much you want something really.

ibizacupra

14-01-2003, 12:51

Originally posted by LEO LION R

the only problem i have is finding a graph of before and after -
:cheers:

A very nice and what I think is unique feature of REVO software, is that you can try before you buy.

2 hour demo version.. Installs and gives you 2 hours of chipped action. No quibble and FREE.

You could combine this with a RR so you can see your before and after results whilst in Demo mode. Job done. Jobs a goodun etc :D

Reckon on £40-£50 for a dyno run if you wanted one, upload the demo, and re-run... Upload is less than 10mins, and voila. You will be able to judge for yourself if its worth it for you.

Dyno is ok for seeing the actual gains on that particular run, but there are many variables and turbo cars are'nt at their best on RR's. With the 2 hour window to explore the free demo software you can see what its like to drive on real roads.

regards
Bill

LEO LION R

14-01-2003, 13:03

muchos gracias guys, hey our great minds think alike ;)

I'm going to do that anyway (if star have the software by then), was just trying to find out sooner, rather than waiting 5 weeks, also a big danger is that i love it so much that i get another credit card to take care of it there and then :redface:

thanks for your help on this :cheers: i know i'm hard work :devil:

vibrio

14-01-2003, 13:28

are star going to be doing revo?

no mention on their site

LEO LION R

14-01-2003, 13:33

Originally posted by Revo Mark
Hi Guys... sorry this is a little quick and short, but here is the answer to a few of your questions!

beez
Yes we are planning to work with some turbo upgrade packages for SEAT Ibiza and Leon.

Cupra192
Hopefully Star performance will be our first Scottish agent. Spoke to him today at Autosports Show.

Markmck
We are currently talking to a couple of prospective dealers for Ireland, but still researching Northeren Ireland.. any idea’s?

best regards
Mark

maybe, nothing confirmed as yet - would have thought so since they did APR.

:cheers: