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Anyone know what's involved in a Brembo conversion for an Ibiza Cupra 20VT ? I've received conflicting advice so far........some reckon it's simply a case of using the same stuff as on the parts list for the Cupra R while others have warned that it won't work with the standard 16" wheels. I want to be sure about what I'm in for before I take the plunge so any advice would be appreciated.:confused:
Speak to Bill (ibizacupra) bill@badger5.co.uk
I understand it's the same as the R kit but it won't fit under standard 20VT 16s. Bill has all the info you need.
Just do a search for "brembo" and I know you will find a few good threads about it. If you have large enough wheels (not stock) it is a good conversion from what I have read :)
Carl
Dormouse
09-01-2003, 17:47
Should go straight on. The problem you will have is that the standard 16 incg cupra alloys will not let the larger calipers fit behind them. Thus other wheels needed. It's not really a technical problem of sorts, just a space one!
Dor.
Lucky_32
09-01-2003, 18:49
These are the brembo's with 17 OZ Superleggara's
As you can see, drop half an inch on the radius and i could be close but should fit - There is a list being compiled...
More likely is that you will need spacers, Bill is also the man fot that
As far as the conversion is concerned - easy once you get the bolts off!!
:p
This may be a stupid question, but what happens with the Brembo conversion if you haven't got ABS? Does the additional braking force make it more prone to lock ups?
easy once you get the bolts off!!
I know what you mean. I had to get these sods off to change my disks and I broke a socket and bent 2 crowbars in the process. I had to take it to a garage in the end where they still had trouble getting them off with an air gun!
ibizacupra
09-01-2003, 19:41
Originally posted by stupot
Anyone know what's involved in a Brembo conversion for an Ibiza Cupra 20VT ? I've received conflicting advice so far........some reckon it's simply a case of using the same stuff as on the parts list for the Cupra R while others have warned that it won't work with the standard 16" wheels. I want to be sure about what I'm in for before I take the plunge so any advice would be appreciated.:confused:
The Ibiza Cupra-R Brembo 4-pot upgrade is a physical bolt on affair. Wheel clearance is the issue. Stock Ibiza 20Vt comes with 6x16 ET38 wheels. The Ibiza-R comes with 7x16 ET35 wheels.
Minimum clearance req'd is 38mm as measured from the rear face of your wheels hub face, to the rearmost edge of a wheel spoke.
Diameter minimum is 16" also for road wheels.
Standard Ibiza 20VT 6x16 rims are too small for this conversion.
If you need any more info, drop me an email. (bill@badger5.co.uk)
I have one other unassigned set at the mo (I think!)
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
09-01-2003, 19:44
Originally posted by Steve
This may be a stupid question, but what happens with the Brembo conversion if you haven't got ABS? Does the additional braking force make it more prone to lock ups?
I have supplied a few kits out and some of these have gone to MK2 Golf/Jetta owners. (no ABS)
After the initial shock of how well these brakes stop, they said they got used to it quickly. Only the odd bruised forehead so I understand it.... (:p - boing off the windscreen)
It is significantly better than your stock brakes tho.
regards
Bill
Lucky_32
09-01-2003, 19:49
Stupot,
There have been discussions about brake balancing (do a search for Alconbury posts) the answer would seem to be no as some have tried the conversion with the ABS fuse out (no ABS) with little difference.
The conversion should IMO be less likely to lock up as it is more efficient at reducing speed. Every time you brake you don't do an emergency stop do you?
What I found is that when the conversion is put on you feel WOW what a difference (from 280mm brakes), then you get used to it and compensate by braking less (rather than later) in normal drivinfg conditions so it's not so sudden (and you don't get a Vectra up the Arse). It's only when you get on the track with other cars that you notice you can brake alot later.
One thing for others to comment on is how well your rear disk brakes hold up given that they are trying to balance with the more efficient fronts (being worked more?). I.e. do the rears wear out quicker or am I talking ******** again? ;)
Lucky_32
09-01-2003, 19:51
See?
Whilst I was waffling on typing master Bill has answered. :D
ibizacupra
09-01-2003, 20:27
Originally posted by Lucky_32
One thing for others to comment on is how well your rear disk brakes hold up given that they are trying to balance with the more efficient fronts (being worked more?). I.e. do the rears wear out quicker or am I talking ******** again? ;)
The fronts just work more efficiently, so the rears do not more work than before the Brembos. They last a long time.
regards
Bill
Lucky_32
09-01-2003, 20:30
Must be my cable needs adjusting Due for a service anyway - Cheers Bill
and if anyone wants rid of there old 280mm brakes i'm looking to upgrade my 256's:cheers:
Lucky_32
09-01-2003, 21:31
That depends on my next (additional) SEAT car....:devil:
Then I'll put the front's of that car on the rear of my Cordy (if they are larger) :redface:
I shudder to think of the number of spare parts (and not just cars!) lying around.
Alot of clubs do Automarts where you bring you're old / uprgraded / recovered bits to a show to sell. Traders and individuals.
Hey I just had an idea. Next Show SCN goes to, we should have a technical desk so members can check with people in the know (so that's me out). And if we don't know we will have enough demo cars & nutters to have a look and see if bits fit/ do not fit etc..
Makes a show more interesting too ...
Any thoughts?
Tony2Quick4u
14-01-2003, 08:46
Hi Jason,
well i am getting my Brembo's end of this month, hopefully...so i can sell you my disks if you like?
Surely you have 256's Tony??
Tony2Quick4u
14-01-2003, 08:54
are they not 280mm's standard?
Beat me to it... but I was thinking exactly the same!
Originally posted by Mike20VT
8V=256MM
16V+20VT=280MM
2.0 16v = 280mm
1.8 16v = 256mm
8v was right though
Tony2Quick4u
14-01-2003, 09:10
never mind, i will just have to do with my nice big shiny Brembo's......:D
ibizacupra
14-01-2003, 11:06
Originally posted by Tony2Quick4u
never mind, i will just have to do with my nice big shiny Brembo's......:D
Check for availability of these.
Sometimes there is a wait on parts supply.
Just warning you. ;)
regards
Bill
CustardCupra
18-01-2003, 19:39
Originally posted by ibizacupra
The Ibiza Cupra-R Brembo 4-pot upgrade is a physical bolt on affair. Wheel clearance is the issue. Stock Ibiza 20Vt comes with 6x16 ET38 wheels. The Ibiza-R comes with 7x16 ET35 wheels.
Minimum clearance req'd is 38mm as measured from the rear face of your wheels hub face, to the rearmost edge of a wheel spoke.
Diameter minimum is 16" also for road wheels.
Standard Ibiza 20VT 6x16 rims are too small for this conversion.
If you need any more info, drop me an email. (bill@badger5.co.uk)
I have one other unassigned set at the mo (I think!)
regards
Bill
Bill , will you be getting more of the Brembo kits in stock at a later date or is this one you have to be the last lot ???? .
if so i am interested , was hoping to put off the purchase of Brembo kit till later as i am waiting on arrival of PSS9 's at the 'mo and said savings are all but wiped out .:(
Jools
ibizacupra
19-01-2003, 17:10
Originally posted by jools
Bill , will you be getting more of the Brembo kits in stock at a later date or is this one you have to be the last lot ???? .
if so i am interested , was hoping to put off the purchase of Brembo kit till later as i am waiting on arrival of PSS9 's at the 'mo and said savings are all but wiped out .:(
Jools
I have a perpetual order running. Its VAG supply thats patchy. So long as people want them I will continue to supply.
Whats happening at th emoment is people are placing their orders to secure the next available kit. There's a bit of a queue forming at the moment with the erratic supply.
On another note. and a Warning re the PSS9's. Ensure you wax those up fully once setup as you want them, including the lower front adjusters, as the corrosion I have had one mine, has rendered them unadjustable!
Shite quality plating from Bilstein. Gone completely in 6 months on mine. Now we have the salty roads its corrosion city and the spring platform adjusters and lower front damper adjusters will rust solid.
regards
Bill
Dormouse
19-01-2003, 17:39
Bill, send us a PM I want to know if you think it's the braided hoses or new discs that make your brakes seem more direct than mine.
Cheers
Dor.
I'm really going to miss my brembo's when I get my Leon.....:mad:
Dormouse
31-01-2003, 12:51
Don't get the loen then...problem solved!
Dor.
Fin MK2 Golf
31-01-2003, 21:36
Anyone have part numbers for parts that are needed to do this conversion? I think I need calipers, caliper brackets, dics's, pads and hoses, what else is needed?
I'm going to do this conversion to my MK2 Golf.
max_torque
31-01-2003, 21:53
Originally posted by ibizacupra
On another note. and a Warning re the PSS9's. Ensure you wax those up fully once setup as you want them, including the lower front adjusters, as the corrosion I have had one mine, has rendered them unadjustable!
Shite quality plating from Bilstein. Gone completely in 6 months on mine. Now we have the salty roads its corrosion city and the spring platform adjusters and lower front damper adjusters will rust solid.
On my rally car i tend to wax / grease spare threads above / below spring seat, then wrap a few winds of tank tape or similar over the top to protect from flying stones / mud ect. usually this does a good job of protecting strut, but then again the rally car gets taken apart a lot more then most road cars.
what else is needed?
I'm going to do this conversion to my MK2 Golf.Depends on what your Mk2 Golf is, because if you have a 8V or early 16V with 239mm fornt brakes, then you will have to change your front hubs first to late 16V ones off a car with 256mm brakes, as you cannot remove the carriers of the other ones.