View Full Version : Jabbasport conversion.............
redcupra
22-01-2003, 11:04
Went to see Mike @ Jabbasport for a drive in the beastie yesterday, I can now confirm that my name is on the list for the conversion to happen, to say I was impressed was an understatement, the car is seriously furious, even though it was wet yesterday we managed some failry amazing overtaking moves. The car is smooth, useable, and really, really nice to drive, Bills car was in bits when I was there, I bet Bill is itching to get it back for some fun???
I will be going for the basic spec 280bhp conversion to start with, and a nice new clutch to go with it, I have to say that at 280bhp it seems perfectly quick to me, and boy does it rev? How does 120mph in third sound, the speedo looks like the rev counter to me!!!
Congrats to Mike, he will have so many buyers for this kit it will be untrue, makes the 210 conversion feel like driving an Allegro backwards really(sure Bill will like that one!!)
If you are in any doubt about how serious this car is, go and try it, even better let Mike take you out in it, I didnt even really stretch its legs!!! :cheers:
Anyone wanting to know the cost of the comversion fitted really needs to ring Mike and discuss the spec, but mine fitted including the new clutch will be somewhere under £3,000. Inc. VAT, go on you know it makes sense...........spend your life savings if you have them, if not rob the nearest bank........fun, fun, fun.
Wow - seriously interesting m8 :) Might have to take a trip to see them in the not too distant future... That's a lot of power in a car lighter than the R ;)
Yep, I'm definately getting the conversion.... I'm saving already.
As with you, I'm gonna start with the 280bhp spec and may upgrade later.
BTW, where did you get the £3000 figure from.... when I spoke to Mike he said the 280bhp spec costs £1700 + £260 fitting (Inc Vat), and an uprated clutch doesn't cost anyway near a grand! You're scaring me now!
Can't wait!
:)
Ben
ibizacupra
22-01-2003, 13:08
I'll try and get some firmer prices from Mike when I see him.
The spec's and kit options need to be defined so peeps can see the stages and options open to them.
Bill
redcupra
22-01-2003, 13:12
Ben, as I stated you need to discuss with Mike the finer points of what you are after, I have budgeted £2,500 for the conversion to be done, to include having the original air box modified, adjustable boost control, etc, etc ,etc plus the clutch, and of course fitting the clutch, remember Bills is still the first car to be done, mine is down on the list as No.2 Ibiza, there are plenty of golfs, TT's, and S3's in the wings to, Mike just hasnt done enough vehicles for the cost of the whole kit to settle that is all.
There is a lot more to it than just the turbo and re-map, and the new manifolds he has designed and had made are incredible, but they are more money again.
Start saving, I have the dosh now, and cant wait to have it done, as i said you will not be dissapointed, it gives the performance of a vehicle that would be a lot more money, so even if mine costs £3,000 it still represents excellent value.
Talk to Mike, even better get yourself up there.............
ibizacupra
22-01-2003, 13:13
Originally posted by blackcupra
Went to see Mike @ Jabbasport for a drive in the beastie yesterday, I can now confirm that my name is on the list for the conversion to happen, to say I was impressed was an understatement, the car is seriously furious, even though it was wet yesterday we managed some failry amazing overtaking moves. The car is smooth, useable, and really, really nice to drive, Bills car was in bits when I was there, I bet Bill is itching to get it back for some fun???
Congrats to Mike, he will have so many buyers for this kit it will be untrue, makes the 210 conversion feel like driving an Allegro backwards really(sure Bill will like that one!!)
I surely am itching for its return...
Had to get my Jetta back to at least some power in a car... I just can't cope with a 50bhp 1.0E Lupo... Its a nice car, but in desperate need of some power.
My "210" was run on his rollers just prior to its strip down, and recorded another 189bhp and 191bhp... Its dead consistent, I'll give it that.
Everything crossed mines not a Lemon and makes the same (should be MORE) power than Mikes own demonstrator. Mine gets the new spec roller bearing IHI, and his runs an older non-roller bearing type. Spool up should be earlier and last longer with the new one. :D
I think its run to 348bhp on a run.... Can't rmember.
regards
Bill
Dormouse
22-01-2003, 13:13
I'm going to wait to see how many of you with the conversion :-
Blow Up
Maim yourselves
Burn-Out Clutches
Destroy Gearboxes
Do Other Horendous Mechanical Things
Declare Banckruptcy Due To Insurance Premiums
Before I make my decision.
I quite value my SEAT warrantee.
Dor <Cynical As Usual>
ibizacupra
22-01-2003, 13:15
Originally posted by blackcupra
Talk to Mike, even better get yourself up there.............
Ditto....
Go on Ben..
go on...
Go on...
You know you want to :p
Listen to the voices!
:D
Bill
;)
ibizacupra
22-01-2003, 13:18
Originally posted by Dormouse
I quite value my SEAT warrantee.
Dor <Cynical As Usual>
LOL
Warrantee - hahaha
Yea! thought I had one of those too! RSD/Amethyst/SEAT
MAF is faulty on mine. simple replacement... nope!
turbo cracked... Will try and get this done, but I don't expect anything. Amethyst will say its chipped, and I don't need to mention RSD... Warranty! PAH! worthless for me.
Yours in invalid Dor... you have taken it on track.
Bill
I must admit it'll be intersting to see how much the extra insurance premiums will be, especially for the younger ones, even those under 30.
I have spoken to Mike about it several times.... in fact I first spoke to Mike about it this time last year (In the hope of getting the conversion on my car in time for the 2002 GTI International!!!).
I know whats involved in the kit and I have spoken to him about prices (He also gave me permission to quote the prices on here which I did.).... thats where I got the £1700 + £260 fitting price from.
Note that as I understand it the 280bhp conversion does not use the new manifold but uses a conversion plate in the original manifold. The 310 and 340bhp conversions use the new manifold.
I'm not complaining about prices... no way... the Jabbasport prices are excellent, especially compared to the alternatives (RSD quoted £3500 for a K04 conversion!!!).
The sooner the new website is up with the prices and options the better... I'm not complaining as I know how busy they are, but I'm too excited to be patient. ;)
Dor, my insurance company said that my premium would only go up 10% if I had a 300bhp conversion!!!!!!! :) :) :)
Cheers
Ben
Ditto....
Go on Ben..
go on...
Go on...
You know you want to
Listen to the voices!
Bill
:) OK, maybe I will... but I'm a little scared of Mike demonstrating the wheelspin at 130mph in the wet factor!!!! :redface:
I must admit it'll be intersting to see how much the extra insurance premiums will be, especially for the younger ones, even those under 30.
As I just mentioned, my insurance company said it would be approx 10% increase in my premium if I went upto 300bhp, and I'm under 30.
BTW, does anyone know what clutch Jabbsport are offering to handle these conversions (At an extra cost obviously).... last I heard they had a clutch from a deisel in their demo car but I'm not sure if this is the one they are offerring.
Cheers
Ben
Originally posted by BenS1
:) As I just mentioned, my insurance company said it would be approx 10% increase in my premium if I went upto 300bhp, and I'm under 30.
Who you with and how much do you pay now?
ibizacupra
22-01-2003, 13:36
Originally posted by BenS1
:) OK, maybe I will... but I'm a little scared of Mike demonstrating the wheelspin at 130mph in the wet factor!!!! :redface:
Cheers
Ben
It was me that was driving that got wheel spin at 130mph in the damp! Poor old Mike was the passenger! :) I don't think he would do the same to a customer. Guess he trusts me! :D
I will be greatful I have a quiafe and decent tyres on my beezer.
regards
Bill
Dormouse
22-01-2003, 13:47
I'm pretty sure that any car company that realistically imposed a track day = invalid warranty practice is going to lose customers pretty damn quick. Especially one like SEAT that has a sporting pedigree and markets it's sporting range as such.
It's one thing to play around with a few tubes on an airbox, another thing entirely to remap a factory ECU / Modify running gear etc.
Personally Bill, Irrespective of what you have experienced, I recon that given the fact the MAF is manufactured inncorectly, you have a legal right to get a replacement within your warrantee period.
Given all the good publicity you have deliberately or inavertently create for the Ibiza marque, I would have thought it was the least SEAT could have done to replace it.
In essence the MAF, given it is incorectly manufactured (and that might be a sod to prove) is not 'Fit For Purpose' Irrespective of what other bolt on's have been applied to the car, the MAF was faulty at manufacture and thus the bolt on's had not effect on the manufacture.
Hope nufink else goes wrong!
:cheers:
Dor.
Originally posted by ibizacupra
It was me that was driving that got wheel spin at 130mph in the damp! Poor old Mike was the passenger! :) I don't think he would do the same to a customer. Guess he trusts me! :D
I will be greatful I have a quiafe and decent tyres on my beezer.
regards
Bill
But Mike told me that he'd spin the wheels at 120mph when I spoke to him about 4-6 weeks ago!!! But that probably wasn't with a customer.
I think I'm gonna arrange a trip up for a test drive! :)
Who you with and how much do you pay now?
I'm with Greenlight (Ask for Neil) and I currently pay £850 on my RSD210 Ibiza, with 3 points for speeding and 5 year NCD. £850 is what I've always paid...
my first car was a Pug 205 1.4 = £850 premium (CIS),
then a slightly modded 306 = £850 (Adrium Flux),
then a standard 205 1.9 GTI = £850 (Adriun Flux),
then my Ibiza = £850 (Greenlight)!!!
Cheers
Ben
Dormouse
22-01-2003, 14:07
Ben...who is the policy underwritten by? seems a decent enough deal..
What recovery / excess / courtesty cars like in the event of car troubles etc?
Cheers
Dor.
I've only heard odds and sods about the IHI conversion............exactly what's involved ??
If there's no mods to the bottom-end and it's the stock 'box will it handle upwards of 300 BHP and allow you to make full and regular use of it without going bang ????
redcupra
22-01-2003, 15:10
Gearbox should be ok, clutch is the main problem, the engine itself is fine, no bottom end, or top end work needed, the restriction is, and always has been the tiny turbo unit.
There are lots more mods that can be done, water spray, lightened rods, stronger bolts etc, etc, but not needed for the IHI conversion.
Ben, sorry mate I wasnt trying to scare you with the price, its just you know what these things are like, then you want this, then you want that, it all really adds up quick, and my budget was £3,000 to include the clutch, so fingers crossed it should be cheaper than that!
My insurance will only be increased by 10% to, and as for the warranty, my local Seat dealer has already said that warranty will remain, except if it is the fault of the conversion, which you cant say fairer than that really can you?
Bill the new style turbo is incredible piece of kit, as for all the doubters, well shall we say we shall see them at GTI international?
As for wheel spin at 130mph, Mike had it wheelspinning at well over 100mph, it is a fantastic tool, although as Bill will testify, he really does need to get those tyres sorted!!!!
:D
ibizacupra
22-01-2003, 16:00
Originally posted by Dormouse
I'm pretty sure that any car company that realistically imposed a track day = invalid warranty practice is going to lose customers pretty damn quick. Especially one like SEAT that has a sporting pedigree and markets it's sporting range as such.
It's one thing to play around with a few tubes on an airbox, another thing entirely to remap a factory ECU / Modify running gear etc.
Personally Bill, Irrespective of what you have experienced, I recon that given the fact the MAF is manufactured inncorectly, you have a legal right to get a replacement within your warrantee period.
Given all the good publicity you have deliberately or inavertently create for the Ibiza marque, I would have thought it was the least SEAT could have done to replace it.
In essence the MAF, given it is incorectly manufactured (and that might be a sod to prove) is not 'Fit For Purpose' Irrespective of what other bolt on's have been applied to the car, the MAF was faulty at manufacture and thus the bolt on's had not effect on the manufacture.
Hope nufink else goes wrong!
:cheers:
Dor.
You would think that to be the case Dor... However.. My warranty was invalidated by RSD/Amethyst as I had taken it on track. I took Danny from RSD round Combe for craps sake, and no mention.... but that was before things got "heavy" between us. History now.
the MAF thing is faulty plain and simple, but working in a compromised non 5051 VAG machine fault finder kind of way.
I know my motors modded, and I woudl not think of trying to claim for stuff which has been modded. It for me, at the mo, has'nt helped things. Cracked turbo will be a joke I expect. Its chipped, amethyst chipped it via RSD, and neither warranty will cover it.. Used it on track.
Beware Ben and others.
regards
bill
Ben...who is the policy underwritten by? seems a decent enough deal..
What recovery / excess / courtesty cars like in the event of car troubles etc?
Cheers
Dor.
Dor,
I can't remember most of the details. Excess is £300 I think. Never had to claim so not sure how good/bad their service is in that dept.
One other thing, they do trackday insurance too. Both Alconbury and Bruntingthorpe cost me £40 per trackday (And that included having a friend added too!), fully insured with the only small catch being that excess is doubled to £600. Still a bargin compared to some other dedicated trackday insurance companies which charge about £200-£250 with £2000-£3000 excess and olny cover you for a max payout of about £3000-£5000.... not much good if you write it off!
So far I can honestly recommend Greenlight 100%, but as I said I've not tried making a claim and sometimes thats when some companies stop being so helpful!
I know my motors modded, and I woudl not think of trying to claim for stuff which has been modded. It for me, at the mo, has'nt helped things. Cracked turbo will be a joke I expect. Its chipped, amethyst chipped it via RSD, and neither warranty will cover it.. Used it on track.
Cheers Bill. So far I've had a couple of things done under warantee at my local dealership (No point going to Amethyst any more as everyone has left!) and they haven't kicked up any fuss at all about the mods.... they know it is modded because one of the mechanics keeps chatting to me about it.
As for the future... once I get the IHI I know the warantee will go out of the window. However, technically in law they cannot invalidate you warantee no matter what you do to the car, they can only refuse to do work under warantee if they can prove that whatever broke did so due to the modification. So for example, if you chip your car so that the poor K03 produces 25psi and the tubo goes bang then obviously the warantee wont cover it, but if your stereo stops working then that would still be covered.
Theory is one thing, but actually trying to get them to do it is another.
Cheers for the advice.
Ben
PS. Bill, will you be doing any timed 0-60 or 1/4 mile runs in your IHI'd Ibiza or do you think it will put too much stress on the driveshafts etc?
ibizacupra
22-01-2003, 18:54
Originally posted by BenS1
PS. Bill, will you be doing any timed 0-60 or 1/4 mile runs in your IHI'd Ibiza or do you think it will put too much stress on the driveshafts etc?
I will get some figures for it yes....
Well you gotta do that have'nt you? :p :p all in the name of science and the record etc... - LOL :laff:
I am not a traffic light GP person usually, but I might develop horns shortly :)
Hopefully PVW and I will get together when its all sorted and thrash it up and down Bruntingthorpe.... as I want to see what Vmax ends up being.. It *could* be 170mph which would be ace!
Gearing and power band would seem 170mph is quite achievable. :p
Definately on a *private* road however.... long and straight!
(mind the Vectras and Fiestas!)
regards
Bill
Is Bruntingthorpe long enough to find vmax?
To be honest I think 0-60 will be the conversions weakest points as it doesn't matter how much power you have you still don't have the grip. My bet is 0-60 in maybe 5.9 seconds.... and I imagine it will be the same no matter if you have 280bhp, 340bhp or 1000bhp because its the traction thats the problem.
So, what are your predictions? Mine are:
0-60 in 5.9
1/4 mile in 13.9
vmax = 165mph
It is if u use the full runway Ben, we used half when we went
This is true - it's 1 mile uphill (a little) then one mile downhill
go pay them £35 for an hour or so & go play :D
mark
Originally posted by Saul
It is if u use the full runway Ben, we used half when we went
Is that how much it is to have a play, £35 and you get the track to yourself?
I know we only used half the track but I'm still not sure its long enough. Remember getting from 120 up to 170 will take a LOT more distance than 0 - 120mph. And then you've got to stop.
Ben
If it got a B52/Lancaster Airborne the its long enough for me :p
ibizacupra
23-01-2003, 13:36
Originally posted by BenS1
Is that how much it is to have a play, £35 and you get the track to yourself?
I know we only used half the track but I'm still not sure its long enough. Remember getting from 120 up to 170 will take a LOT more distance than 0 - 120mph. And then you've got to stop.
Ben
LOL
:D
Bill
;)
redcupra
23-01-2003, 15:56
Mike believes that the 0-60 should be mid 5's, 100 in about 11 and the quarter in about 13ish, now those figures are only estimates remember, but even so it is damn quick in real world terms.
0-60 will never be brilliant due to traction problems, but once traction is found then you will be long gone........... 13's in the quarter is quick, and with better traction control it may dip into the twelve's remember standard cosworth sierra 4x4 is 14.4 in the quarter.
Sounds good... lets wait and see.
I seem to remmeber the Jabbasport IHI Golf only managed about 15 or high 14's 1/4 mile and GTI International last year.... I remember coz I get 15 seconds in my Ibiza. I do remmeber it wheelspinning badly at the start though.
Ben
wer is Bruntingthorpe ???
Near Leicester I think (I should know, I went to the trackday last March).
Bill, are you going to Bruntingthorpe as part of a trackday or just you and the PVW boys?
Cheers
Ben
It's near Leicester
Ben - for £35 you get an hour on the track with as many other people as turn up & pay.
email me for more details.
wow, cool, if only it wer near my home
Dormouse
23-01-2003, 19:35
I imagine it will be the same no matter if you have 280bhp, 340bhp or 1000bhp because its the traction thats the problem.
Oh No! Don't say that! You'll give Bill ideas...
Ah damn....I think it's too late!
:D :D
Dor.
Originally posted by BenS1
Is Bruntingthorpe long enough to find vmax?
To be honest I think 0-60 will be the conversions weakest points as it doesn't matter how much power you have you still don't have the grip. My bet is 0-60 in maybe 5.9 seconds.... and I imagine it will be the same no matter if you have 280bhp, 340bhp or 1000bhp because its the traction thats the problem.
So, what are your predictions? Mine are:
0-60 in 5.9
1/4 mile in 13.9
vmax = 165mph
I believe people rely too much on 0-60 figures. How often do you really do this on a road. Most of the time you want mega midrange to get past the trucks or tractors on A road to maintain good progress on a journey. 0-60 for me is just to impress boy racers etc. 1/4 mile figures do give a better indication of real progress along the tarmac, but I like to see 50-70 figures in 3rd and 4th, to give an idea of real world uses.
Saying that I can tell you Mike's Ibiza is bloody good even in 5th.
Originally posted by whelme
I believe people rely too much on 0-60 figures. How often do you really do this on a road. Most of the time you want mega midrange to get past the trucks or tractors on A road to maintain good progress on a journey. 0-60 for me is just to impress boy racers etc. 1/4 mile figures do give a better indication of real progress along the tarmac, but I like to see 50-70 figures in 3rd and 4th, to give an idea of real world uses.
Saying that I can tell you Mike's Ibiza is bloody good even in 5th.
I couldn't agree more - this is where it counts. When I was shopping for my Leon, the key factors were:
-4 doors (my mum has trouble getting in and out of the back of a 3 door now),
-a hatchback for versatility and
-0-100mph in <20secs
the 0-100 or 1/4 mile figs are an excellent measure of a cars 'on the road' speed - from trying several cars, 20secs for the 0-100 felt quick (Leon 20VT) and 15 secs was pretty damn quick.
Actually, given the above 3 key factors, there weren't many cars under 20K that met these criteria. Other than the Leon, what else ?
Cheers
Rob
CustardCupra
26-01-2003, 18:15
How far in advance do i need to book my car in with Jabbasport for their 300bhp conversion .???????
Would phone Mike myself but i know i'll end up booking it in ASAP
and funds allocated for modding at the mo' have gone on PSS9 kit and in the near future on Brembo 's .
Don't want to spend all year saving up for the conversion then finding out theres a 6 mth wait .
200bhp aint no fun anymore :( i need 300 bhp :p
jools:D :D
ibizacupra
26-01-2003, 18:20
Jabbasport will be releasing their kits as kits, so other peeps will be able to fit and that will make things easier as far as timescales are concerned.
I should be able to help you out on fitment, once these kits are available, and as mines the pattern for the production release, it is not too far away.
Mapping at Jabba would be the only thing req'd then, to optimise the generic 300bhp ecu settings onto your particular engine.
regards
Bill
Dormouse
26-01-2003, 19:11
Has the beast arrived yet?
Dor.
ibizacupra
26-01-2003, 19:43
Originally posted by Dormouse
Has the beast arrived yet?
Dor.
Nope.. :(
Taking longer than planned unfortunately as patterns and jogs are being from mine for the rest of the production ones. Takes time. (that and Mike being plagued by people ringing him up about the kit!!! DOH! - Ironically slowing down the kit.. :p)
The downpipe design on mine is an evolution from Mikes own prototype and will work better. So far mines getting better designed downpipe and installation, higher spec turbo... so it should go even better than theirs when done.
Early next week, everything crossed!
:)
Bill
Dormouse
26-01-2003, 21:26
Phew! monster power then :D
Dor.
I should be able to help you out on fitment, once these kits are available, and as mines the pattern for the production release, it is not too far away.
Will Autotechniks be able to fit it?
Will you still be able to get it fitted at Jabbasport or will they ONLY do the kits and no fitting?
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
27-01-2003, 12:53
Originally posted by BenS1
Will Autotechniks be able to fit it?
Will you still be able to get it fitted at Jabbasport or will they ONLY do the kits and no fitting?
Cheers
Ben
I'll let you know Ben re fitting... Bit early to say. ;)
Jabba are continually busy so their problem won't be not wanting to fit it, but time to. Book well in advance and it would likely be fine.
Kits being available as kits will open the doors to other peeps fitting, and runnign with generic maps until optimised at Jabba.
regards
Bill
Cheers Bill.
Any idea on how long the waiting list for fitment is at Jabbasport? I'm looking at getting the conversion in April or maybe early May at the latest.... do I need to book now?
I would phone Mike and ask, but as you and others have said, the shear volumn of calls at the moment is actually slowing down the kits!
Cheers
Ben
Tony2Quick4u
27-01-2003, 14:05
these are the kind of threads which really make me wish i had waited and bought the 20VT in stead of my old sloooooow 8v, well it is very slow comparing it to the jabbasport conversion......
:(
Dormouse
27-01-2003, 14:08
Bide your time mate. It's not only you that has reservations about turbo's...even though i have one!
Dor.
Tony2Quick4u
27-01-2003, 14:10
what was it like moving up from the small 8v to the almighty Cupra R 180BHP?
Dormouse
27-01-2003, 14:39
Tony I went from an 8v to a 20VT then a 20VT R
I was never hugely impressed with the 20vt and considered going back to an 8v! The 8v has a certain something about it. Tough reliable engine, good lokking car without being boy racery. And easy to get a grasp of modifying pottential. Again I prolly would have got one if I wasn't offered the R at a good deal.
The R is a nice quick motor but still feals a little wallowy on tight corners. Need bigger ARB!
Dor.
Tony2Quick4u
27-01-2003, 15:02
well i will stick with the 8v for now until my insurance goes down and then its going to be a scooby or Leon R, something which is comfortable to do motorway cruising in and has loads of equipment to play with but at the same time is very fast!
:cheers: