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Jimmyboy
29-01-2003, 16:59
I dont what to slag Revo off as they seem to have a fantastic product.......but I just looked on their website and watched their demo of the old way of tuning compaed with their way. They showed how it was quite a process to take the ecu out and remove the chip.....soldering etc.....etc..etc and then they showed you the Revo way which took about 10 seconds..............my point, how can they justify £499 +VAT for this when the old long winded, time consuming way was cheaper? I know they have to make money but this seems very pricey even though as I said the product sounds great. :cheers:
a) can you do it
b) if you could do it, and spent a long time on software development, would you then sell it on for a fiver?
That's like saying that the Windows Licence on paper isn't worth close on £200, but I know I can't design an operating system.
Mark
Jimmyboy
29-01-2003, 17:09
Point taken but did this system cost as much as Windows to design? I guess the moral here is theres more money to be made in software than in physical electronics, although we probably already knew this!! :cheers:
I too think it's expensive - despite the software development time (i'm a software engineer by the way..) - and it's a general remapping, not specific to your engine...
Originally posted by MarkP
but I know I can't design an operating system.
Mark
They (Microsoft) can't either;)
I would guess the sums are like this:
Development cost + Annual cost to keep 'Revo' divided by number of units sold
Now, if it takes 4-5 days to map a car, that's say 40 hours of Rolling Road @ £40/hr (plus a Revo Person's time)
so that's 2000+vat +revo person's time
so that & keeping the staff employed for however long @ say a cost of £35k (cost to co.) each, then you very quickly start to see that £499+VAT doesn't go that far
Yes windows costs more to develop, but I know that I have 3 PC's in my life that all run windows, yet curiously no cars that revo can tune.
Originally posted by dangel
I too think it's expensive - despite the software development time (i'm a software engineer by the way..) - and it's a general remapping, not specific to your engine...
It's not only adding more on to what's available (x+5x=6x). At certain amount of air/fuel flow you don't necessarily have the same turbo boost and vise versa. You've also got variables like temperature and load. It's sort of a 3d array.
Plus tons of hours testing on a dyno costs alot of money. Besides how many copies of MS Wind__ are sold world wide??
The main costs breakdown are:
a) Software Development, its not just a case of changing the x-y-z tables in a car, theres the SPS systems that have been designed from the ground up, then manufactured from scratch.
b) Insurance & Patenting, not cheap at all when you have to consider all aspects in R&D, sales, and liability.
c) Staffing, premises and assets etc etc.
d) and lastly profit, they've got to make some somewhere.
:cheers:
its dirt cheap compared to the likes of RSD for the cough 210(!!??) cough
Seems like good value to me i paid a £1000 with crusie control when APR Europe 1st launched and im happy,and i can get a free upgrade to revo now.
I havnt seen any upgrades coming from the TUV approved chips.
RichardBW
29-01-2003, 21:33
And there's always my salary to consider ;)
We have also built up a massive tab at the local burger van.(Hence the size of some of the Revo boys)
Seriously though, if we ever get to 1% of microsoft sales worldwide I am sure the prices would be lowered.
(Also if our software had as many glitches as Windows it would be quicker to walk)
ibizacupra
29-01-2003, 21:52
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
I dont what to slag Revo off as they seem to have a fantastic product.......but I just looked on their website and watched their demo of the old way of tuning compaed with their way. They showed how it was quite a process to take the ecu out and remove the chip.....soldering etc.....etc..etc and then they showed you the Revo way which took about 10 seconds..............my point, how can they justify £499 +VAT for this when the old long winded, time consuming way was cheaper? I know they have to make money but this seems very pricey even though as I said the product sounds great. :cheers:
Did you spend a year writing the code, and invest heavily in forming a new company, new promotional materials, hardware etc?
Totally stealthy product. Try before you buy options..
It is'nt the cheapest, but there is no direct comparison product either.
I paid £795 for a crap product, so the price is upper middle range I think.
regards
Bill
Bill there's an echo in here m8! ;) :p
:cheers:
Scott
nah it was just so important that it had to be posted twice or just incase people like leo lion R can't understand the first time :p
Originally posted by dangel
I too think it's expensive - despite the software development time (i'm a software engineer by the way..) - and it's a general remapping, not specific to your engine...
/me offers £50 for a remap - let me know when to book in :)
just kidding
give me twin webers any day
loads of fuel - loads of air - loads of exit after a BIG bang
keep adjusting 'til engine stops blowing up :)
Excellent. May I recommend you free lance out your software skills for what you woul call 'a going rate' perhaps you would like to work for £25/week?
bloody wish our software contractors did.
Originally posted by dangel
I too think it's expensive - despite the software development time (i'm a software engineer by the way..) - and it's a general remapping, not specific to your engine...
ibizacupra
30-01-2003, 08:03
Originally posted by Syphon
Bill there's an echo in here m8! ;) :p
:cheers:
Scott
Opps!
Sorry.
will delete it..
:p
Bill
Like most things there's a balance between what you have to charge minimum and what people are prepaired to pay.
They are dearer than say Jabbasport, but cheaper than RSD. When you look around at the majority AmD and others the price is similar for what appears to be a good product. Good luck to Revo on their future buisness success, it takes a lot of bottle to start out in buisness, especially amounst strong competition.
Originally posted by Revo Richard
And there's always my salary to consider ;)
We have also built up a massive tab at the local burger van.(Hence the size of some of the Revo boys)
Seriously though, if we ever get to 1% of microsoft sales worldwide I am sure the prices would be lowered.
(Also if our software had as many glitches as Windows it would be quicker to walk)
Ahhhh well you didn't tell us about the burger van :) Ok when do i book in??
Originally posted by MarkP
Excellent. May I recommend you free lance out your software skills for what you woul call 'a going rate' perhaps you would like to work for £25/week?
bloody wish our software contractors did.
You work for nothing when setting up a company ;) Seriously tho, i'm simply passing comment on the cost of the product to me - the end user. I'm not critising REVO's product, nor their efforts to develop it, just looking at the cost versus it's rivals. No need to get so tetchy :confused:
Jimmyboy
30-01-2003, 13:36
Originally posted by Revo Richard
Seriously though, if we ever get to 1% of microsoft sales worldwide I am sure the prices would be lowered.
Good point, I guess as its a new prouct the price will stay high unless it is bought by a huge number of people. As I said it sounds great and I am by no means saying I can do a better job or anything like that. I didnt mean to get anyone angry, its just a shame I cant get it done for about £50!! :cheers:
Shock_Xe
30-01-2003, 13:57
Its one of those lesser evils! They wont reduce the price until they get lots of customers and they wont get lots of customers until they lower the price!!!! Look at APR's December discount and the huge intrest and increase in sales they had as an example
Originally posted by Revo Richard
We have also built up a massive tab at the local burger van.(Hence the size of some of the Revo boys)
Good point, McDonalds and similar are getting quite expensive ;)
ibizacupra
30-01-2003, 17:02
Originally posted by prc
Good point, McDonalds and similar are getting quite expensive ;)
That would be the McDonalds that posted its first ever financial loss ever..... so cheap they lose money on every burger they sold..
Hmmm.
Bill
That's right Bill!
The exact same Mcdonalds that I have stocks in since I was a kid:mad: