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Who do conversion to take the ibiza cupra to 300bhp?? If so any rought prices for this.
Has any one got timed 0 - 60 mph and drag strip times for tuned ibiza cupra? Ive heard the 280bhp one does mid 5's anyone confirm this??
cheers daz
Jabbasport do a conversion for over 300 bhp. Lots of threads on the forums detailing specs and rough prices.
As ever, with FWD and big power, traction will be your main stumbling block. You'l need mega rubber and an LSD to use it all, but sub 6 secs should be achievable with this power figure easily, if you can get it down. Even 200 ish bhp Ibizas can do mid 6 secs.
ibizacupra
02-02-2003, 18:09
Originally posted by d4rren
Who do conversion to take the ibiza cupra to 300bhp?? If so any rought prices for this.
Has any one got timed 0 - 60 mph and drag strip times for tuned ibiza cupra? Ive heard the 280bhp one does mid 5's anyone confirm this??
cheers daz
Some info on mine is on this thread link.
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=13295
Reckon on upward of £1700 for a 280kit.
regards
Bill
As soon as i posted this is found the thread on the ihi conversion.
I am still interested in finding some 0 - 60 times.
cheers daz
You'll be lucky to find any true figures cos there are very few motors like this. Look at similar specced Golfs for a comparison I reckon. Plenty of these about running similar power.
ibizacupra
02-02-2003, 18:59
Originally posted by d4rren
As soon as i posted this is found the thread on the ihi conversion.
I am still interested in finding some 0 - 60 times.
cheers daz
Jabba's Golf IV did a 5.1s 0-60 at Gti International I believe.
Bill
Cupramax
03-02-2003, 16:26
Very impressive Bill.
Do you know if they can do that conversion on the S3 engine? I might get mine done next year by which time I'll be bored with it.
ibizacupra
03-02-2003, 19:06
Originally posted by Cupramax
Very impressive Bill.
Do you know if they can do that conversion on the S3 engine? I might get mine done next year by which time I'll be bored with it.
Yep they could.
Even more potential from your engine than mine.
(twin intercoolers, lower compression already)
regards
Bill
What BHP was the engine running??
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ibizacupra
[B]Jabba's Golf IV did a 5.1s 0-60 at Gti International I believe.
Is a standard Ibiza Cupras 0 - 60 about 7.9?
thanxs daz
ibizacupra
04-02-2003, 23:07
Originally posted by d4rren
What BHP was the engine running??
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ibizacupra
[B]Jabba's Golf IV did a 5.1s 0-60 at Gti International I believe.
Is a standard Ibiza Cupras 0 - 60 about 7.9?
thanxs daz
380bhp approx I think...
Heavy Mk IV tho.
Lighter Ibiza.
Bill
Yeah thats what i was thinking so in theory the ibiza with 350 bhp should be about the same to 60mph.
Whats the overall verdit then?? I know its going to be fast but is it driveable, what fuel economy like etc??
cheers for info.
LOL over 300 bhp
sod economy :) gimme some tarmac
:D
ibizacupra
06-02-2003, 08:16
I fille dup last night for the 1st time since collecting the car..... (preparing for demo rides for peeps at Club Gti Bristol last night - LOL)
Avg mpg was 25.6mpg
I was happy with that considering the driving its being doing.. :p
Bill
Is that 25mpg on the trip computer or calculated manually? My trip computer sometimes gives reading upto 10mpg too high (Average over an entire tank)!!!!
Ben
ibizacupra
06-02-2003, 14:14
Originally posted by BenS1
Is that 25mpg on the trip computer or calculated manually? My trip computer sometimes gives reading upto 10mpg too high (Average over an entire tank)!!!!
Ben
Manually. Brimmed tank like I always do.
Real 25mpg. Not trip.
:D
Bill
ibizacupra
06-02-2003, 14:15
Originally posted by d4rren
Yeah thats what i was thinking so in theory the ibiza with 350 bhp should be about the same to 60mph.
Whats the overall verdit then?? I know its going to be fast but is it driveable, what fuel economy like etc??
cheers for info.
I did a quick test last night on standing start.
WOW!
Speedo climbed like the rev counter.
0-60 is deffo in the low 5's
Bill
Low 5's is very good:D
I bet you will have fun showing other cars up with that.
Wolf in sheeps clothes more like absolute monster!!! And still get 25mpg avg. so on run it will be pretty good!
cheers for info. daz
Cuprasport2000
07-02-2003, 09:08
Originally posted by ibizacupra
I did a quick test last night on standing start.
WOW!
Speedo climbed like the rev counter.
0-60 is deffo in the low 5's
Bill
How much you charging for a spin at Sundays rolling road then Bill?!?!?
:D ;)
:cheers:
Bill, do you have access to any timing gear? Didn't you borrow an AP-22 a while back?
I can lend you my AP-22 at Alconbury, but I guess you'll be doing a run at GTI International before then!?
Ben
ibizacupra
07-02-2003, 14:29
I'll be doing a proper PVW shootout thing at Brunters before too long, so should have some accurate GPS Racelogic times.
I won't bother with the AP22.
Bill
Cool,
Will PVW be paying for replacement tyres? ;)
Ben
But can you beat 0-60 in 3.82 like the Dubweiser Mk1 Golf :D
4wd Vs fwd, I think we know the answer!
Ben
The q was rhetorical hence the :D , stick it in reverse though then the Ibiza might stand a chance up to 30 :D
4WD not everything though. An M3 can outsprint an Evo in some tests.
The key point is that the rear wheels are driven in both rwd and 4wd and therefore can accelerate much more quickly without loosing traction, compared to fwd.
Ben
Surely what you really mean is that under forward acceleration the weight transfer is towards the rear, in such situations RWD is better than FWD and in many cases 4WD is better than both.
If Bill's forward ratios were swapped for reverse cogs, the weight under acceleration will remain over the driven wheels and give the Golf in question a much closer run for it's money,
Cuprasport2000
07-02-2003, 16:29
Originally posted by edc
Surely what you really mean is that under forward acceleration the weight transfer is towards the rear, in such situations RWD is better than FWD and in many cases 4WD is better than both.
If Bill's forward ratios were swapped for reverse cogs, the weight under acceleration will remain over the driven wheels and give the Golf in question a much closer run for it's money,
But he'd get a stiff neck after a while looking over his shoulder...
ibizacupra
07-02-2003, 19:38
Originally posted by edc
But can you beat 0-60 in 3.82 like the Dubweiser Mk1 Golf :D
LOL
I think not...
Its quick, but its not that quick :D
Vmax will likely be my side..... Ibiza is a shed load more aerodynamic than the Dubweiser Mk1 Golf.
2wd & fwd will always struggle off the line with big power..
Time will tell...
I want to see some results...
Itching to see what this "feel" actually equates to on paper performance figures.
Bill
It will be good to see them times!!!
Bill is the power switchable?? If you have a boost controller it will be but i was wondering if you could have say three stages. standard power, 250bhp and then full power??
Also what was the final BHP output??
My understanding is that you can't get less than 250bhp with the IHI turbo because even with the integral wastegate fully open it still produces enough airflow to give 250bhp!
Ben
ibizacupra
11-02-2003, 22:36
Originally posted by d4rren
It will be good to see them times!!!
Bill is the power switchable?? If you have a boost controller it will be but i was wondering if you could have say three stages. standard power, 250bhp and then full power??
Also what was the final BHP output??
Boost controller is anything between 250 and 325 at the moment.
Not stages, just variable anywhere between those 2 points.
turn the knob clockwise to go faster. :D
Bill
max_torque
12-02-2003, 08:34
Minimum wide open throttle engine output with a turbo'd engine is controlled by what we like to call "the minimum boost line" - basically it is affected by 2 main factors - the spring rate + preload in the wastegate capsule and the pre-turbine back pressure. There is a certain boost pressure required to start to open the wastegate, it's is not the actual setting of the "crack-off" pressure of the wastegate because pre-turbine pressure that increases with airflow(rpm) helps to push open the wastegate as well. It used to be a real nightmare for driveability on high boost motors, 'cause you wanted a stiff spring to hold wastegate shut and make big boost, but that gave you a high min boost line, and resulted in large torque, becuase ECU cannot drop boost more that the min boost line. However all became rosy when EGAS was invented, now we can properly map engine torque to throttle position, by simply not actually opening the throttle wide open! Another advantage of a low minimum boost line is the ability to alter performance feel, by allowing pre throttle boost to rise, but plenum to be still negative pressure spools up turbo and leads to a rapid increase in pressure if you finally open the throttle - great for 4th and 5th gear overtakes etc.
It's one of the reasons that A Focus RS is so "snappy" without EGAS we have set the boost progression to be aggressive - so people hate in (EVO mag!) most people love it cause it makes the car feel so fast!
(performance "feel" is the important thing for the owner, actually performance is only needed to set some decent times for owner to brag about in the pub!)
Originally posted by ibizacupra
I'll be doing a proper PVW shootout thing at Brunters before too long...
Any idea when you're going Bill? It'll be warmin' up soon. :D Then the grip begins to come back again.
ibizacupra
12-02-2003, 11:21
Not yet mate.
Jabba and I need to sort our collective cars to be ready at the same time :p
Soon tho.
Bill