View Full Version : IHI'd Badger Beezer is now Rocking and Rolling....
ibizacupra
02-02-2003, 16:48
Well its back, its rolling, and its rolling f'king quickly now! :D
BIG BIG Grin! :D :D :D
DIN70020 Rule Peak power is 330bhp and 368Nm Torque. (so far :p)
Before and after the IHI conversion Dynoplots:-
(Oettinger chipped to "210" before (192.4Cv & 292.4Nm) and IHI by Jabbasport after (324.3Cv & 367.6Nm))
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/Oettinger-IHI-before-after.jpg
Below is a plot of lowest boost setting and highest current boost setting. Low Boost is 9psi max(251.3Cv & 310.9Nm)) & High boost is 15psi max (324.3Cv & 367.6Nm).
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/IHI-low-vs-high.jpg
Boost controller allows adjustment between the 250 and 330bhp power levels via asmall control knob.
Its is very quick. Traction on high boost in the wet/cold Peterborough area yesterday was "interestign" :D ie, not much grip in 1st and 2nd with 3rd just about getting on with it OK. This is with a quaife, and it is certainly working for its living now.
Very smooth to drive, much nicer than before. Very progressive power delivery and an absolute hoot to give it its head.. License loosing speeds are achieved in VERY quick time.
On "Private" road, changing up into 5th at an indicated 150mph..... then to 160mph, off clock before bottling it - (Running out of road!) It was pulling hard when I lefted off so God knows what Vmax will actually end up being. Need a longer "Private" road.
The power and boost is being restricted at this time, as I still only have the stock IC, and it cannot cope with more than the 15psi boost sustained, before heatsoak and a large pressure loss is seen. Forge IC is on order, as is a Pace Chargecooler system, before goign for more. The mapping is very tame at the moment. Better safe than sorry at this time, and will give me some time to adjust to this new found performance. It is enlightening.
Economy was something I was worried about, and if you cane it everywhere (like you can't on public roads with kind of performance under your right foot) you will likely consume fuel at a rate of 1.6ltrs/minute. On the journey home however, being restrained apart from the odd blast :p it was pretyt much the same economy as before. Phew!
Was it worth it?
Oh YES! :)
It is scarey?
Well.... kind of if you let yourself get carried away.
Is it fun?
Woohoo... Yes yes yes yes yes...
Serious respect is due for sure. It is as fast as you want to drive it. Big power figures yes, but the way this power is delivered is super smooth and refined.
Happy Chappy.
Bill
Congratulations Bill! :) Just take tare, it is risky.
I couldn't be much more envier at the moment *sigh* ...
ibizacupra
02-02-2003, 18:05
Originally posted by Sim
Congratulations Bill! :) Just take tare, it is risky.
I couldn't be much more envier at the moment *sigh* ...
Thanks Sim..
Hope you get yours sorted ASAP.
regards
Bill
cordobabrendy
02-02-2003, 19:09
piffle, 20 valve turbo engines?? it'll never catch on!! 16v forever...:D
congrats bill, hope to see it at alconbury if you are going in june sounds interesting as you say, wider wheels and hoooge brakes needed methinks, how does 400mm 10 pots sound???? :D
Shock_Xe
02-02-2003, 19:18
would be nice to get some timings 0-60/quarter mile top speed
Originally posted by ibizacupra
On "Private" road, changing up into 5th at an indicated 150mph..... then to 160mph, off clock before bottling it - (Running out of road!) It was pulling hard when I lefted off so God knows what Vmax will actually end up being. Need a longer "Private" road.
Wonder if the whole of the runway At alconbury can be blagged to how fast it'll go at the next track day :)
ibizacupra
02-02-2003, 21:30
Originally posted by F2 Big Stu
Wonder if the whole of the runway At alconbury can be blagged to how fast it'll go at the next track day :)
Judging by todays piloting... Not that much runway will be needed for getting to that speed, but slowing down afterwards will be tricky :p
Gear Calcs show 7500rpm 4th=147.22mph and 7500rpm in 5th=180.99mph
Now I don't pretend it would get to max rpm in 5th, but it was still pulling well at 160mph earlier today....
170mph should be a reality.
**On a Private Road**
(Bruntingthorpe.... etc)
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Judging by todays piloting... Not that much runway will be needed for getting to that speed, but slowing down afterwards will be tricky :p
parachute off a dragster might be handy:)
what strength of actuator does the IHI use
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Ave it
Dave
<jealousymode>
Congrats Bill, you lucky git!!!
Is there any particular reason why you are not gonna use the Jabbasport chargecooler? Also, I thought the IHI conversion generated LESS heat than the RSD210 and therefore wouldn't need a chargecooler/uprated-IC?
I can't wait to see it on track. :)
I'm aiming to get my 280bhp conversion towards the end of April.... I HAVE to have it in time for Alconbury.
</jealousymode>
Have you kicked any exotic arse yet?
Cheers
Ben
Sounds like good fun Badger Man :D
Look forward to seeing it soon.
max_torque
03-02-2003, 13:08
Sounds like fun in a tyre shredding sort of way!:D
Have you bought shares in any tyre companies yet?
I look forward to some good duels in the future when my car is finally finished!
-------------------------------------------
483bhp - coming to an ibiza near you soon!
('cept when the FIA force me to limit it to 312 - Gits!)
Excellent news Bill - well done for taking the plunge.
Max_torque - how are you spicing up your Ibiza? Sounds interesting!
Peter
ibizacupra
03-02-2003, 15:56
Originally posted by max_torque
Sounds like fun in a tyre shredding sort of way!:D
Have you bought shares in any tyre companies yet?
I look forward to some good duels in the future when my car is finally finished!
-------------------------------------------
483bhp - coming to an ibiza near you soon!
('cept when the FIA force me to limit it to 312 - Gits!)
LOL...
Looking forward to it Paul :)
RWD vs FWD..... I would hope you leave your FIA restrictor on tho.... give me a slight chance... :p
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
03-02-2003, 16:08
Originally posted by BenS1
<jealousymode>
Congrats Bill, you lucky git!!!
Is there any particular reason why you are not gonna use the Jabbasport chargecooler? Also, I thought the IHI conversion generated LESS heat than the RSD210 and therefore wouldn't need a chargecooler/uprated-IC?
I can't wait to see it on track. :)
I'm aiming to get my 280bhp conversion towards the end of April.... I HAVE to have it in time for Alconbury.
</jealousymode>
Have you kicked any exotic arse yet?
Cheers
Ben
I am going to be using a chargecooler Ben & Forge intercooler. Neither are available ex-stock tho... Forge one is on order and Pace are very slow.
The heat problem is an effect of a flow restriction problem over 15psi boost and high rpms. To try for an actual 1.25bar (manifold) the IHI was having to wind up to 1.4bar, and although it is fine at that pressure itself, all its doing it generating heat trying to ram air into an intercooler which simply cannot flow enough. Heat is a byproduct of this. Up to 15psi, there was a 2psi pressure difference between manifold and turbo pressure.... and above that the step change difference jumped up rapidly to 8psi and heat rise was rapid. A short spurt would'nt be a problem, but we are building a car for long term power & reliability and not whizz bang bhp! (that will come when the intercooling is in place)
The settings are conservative on boost and ignition at the moment...
Remember as far as a 280 kit is concerned, only 9psi is used for 251bhp, so not a lot more will yield 280bhp. Temps on a stock IC may well not be an issue then.... with it being less airflow.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
03-02-2003, 16:09
Originally posted by vibrio
what strength of actuator does the IHI use dunno I'm afraid.
Bill
Kev Hall
03-02-2003, 18:19
Tis going to be a very entertaining year down the track!
Be seeing you soon.
ibizacupra
03-02-2003, 19:20
Engine bay pictures...inc Induction Kit
Applogies for piccies... it was dark tonight when i took em.. :)
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/IHI-engine-bay-induction.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/IHI-engine-bay.jpg
Like an Ice-Burg.... its all underneath.
Very Stealthy.
Bill
thought you were getting rid of the stainless filter. i got rid of mine. Quickshift one.
cordobabrendy
03-02-2003, 20:46
bill, do you have an airfeed running up underneath the induction cone? looks like it'd be starved without one when the bonnet is down.
ibizacupra
03-02-2003, 21:06
Originally posted by cordobabrendy
bill, do you have an airfeed running up underneath the induction cone? looks like it'd be starved without one when the bonnet is down.
Yea.
An 80mm cold air feed pipe... a legacy of the old Hurricane I was running. There is a large hole there for air feed.
Starvation is'nt a problem.
Bill
does it point to the front? or is it a case of sucking?
ibizacupra
03-02-2003, 21:24
Originally posted by vibrio
thought you were getting rid of the stainless filter. i got rid of mine. Quickshift one.
Its a question of what I can fit in the same space to cope with that power rating.
Green filters are large for that power rating. ~350bhp
Space is very limited in the Ibiza..
Bill
ibizacupra
03-02-2003, 21:25
Originally posted by MarkP
does it point to the front? or is it a case of sucking?
Suckie, suckie...
Cold Air pipe routes back the factory route to top of arch liner.
Bill
gary bocking
04-02-2003, 07:53
Bill, I'm a bit green where these IHI conversions are concerned
What else did they change apart from the Turbo?
injectors???
ibizacupra
04-02-2003, 08:08
Originally posted by gary bocking
Bill, I'm a bit green where these IHI conversions are concerned
What else did they change apart from the Turbo?
injectors???
Going by my invoice - loads.
Main items (350 kit remember)
IHI Turbo
Jabbasport IHI Exhaust Manifold
Custom downpipe
Race Cat
Larger injectors
Induction pipe
Induction kit
Strengthened front engine mount (precaution)
S3 ecu
Mapping it all in.
Boost Controller
plus other bits and bobs I can't remember.
regards
Bill
Very stealthy.... looks just like my engine bay! :)
Is your parts list above the standard list for the 340bhp conversion or have you paid extra for options (ie. Is the front engine mount includinded in the standard kit price? S3 Ecu? Race Cat?)
Cheers
Ben
PS. Tried a 0-60 run yet?
Originally posted by BenS1
PS. Tried a 0-60 run yet?
Does 0-60 really mean anything at all in the real world unless you are a traffic light GP pilot ? A better indicator of the grunt would be 50-150 - I suspect it will be not much time...............
Ave it
Dave
max_torque
04-02-2003, 10:25
On the interccoling front
1.8 litre engine @ 6500rpm and 1 bar boost
with a plenum temp of 45deg C in an ambient temp of 15 deg C (Uk summer!)
With a typical compressor efficiency of 75% the compressor will be doing 23kW of work and the intercooler will be rejecting 16.88 kW of heat to maintain that plenum temp.
Every psi of post compressor presure loss (ie intercooler restriction) will add 1.2 kW of work to the compressor, that the IC will have to get rid off to maintain the plenum temp. So with 8 psi your doing 9.6 kW (12.8 bhp) extra compressor work, so thats say 15 bhp turbine work, which would typically drop twice that off the flywheel through increased pumping losses and reduced detonation limit (increased HOT in-cylinder exhaust gas residuals). Thats before you've even factored in the reduction in airflow / spark due to increased plenum temp.
The moral of the story - get your system designed right!:D
ibizacupra
04-02-2003, 10:32
Originally posted by BenS1
Very stealthy.... looks just like my engine bay! :)
Is your parts list above the standard list for the 340bhp conversion or have you paid extra for options (ie. Is the front engine mount includinded in the standard kit price? S3 Ecu? Race Cat?)
Cheers
Ben
PS. Tried a 0-60 run yet?
Pretty much most of my parts equate to the 340+ level kit.
S3 Ecu is my choice... mike can do better with the Ibiza one now, but I prefer the S3 one's TCS..
Cat is race spec as it has to be... (apparently used by BTCC racers, where it is reported to loose on 1.7bhp)
Best bet Ben... is get yourself up there, drive Jabba's demo, and talk details with Mike face to face.
You will comprehend exactly what it is your lusting for.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
04-02-2003, 10:33
Originally posted by max_torque
On the interccoling front
1.8 litre engine @ 6500rpm and 1 bar boost
with a plenum temp of 45deg C in an ambient temp of 15 deg C (Uk summer!)
With a typical compressor efficiency of 75% the compressor will be doing 23kW of work and the intercooler will be rejecting 16.88 kW of heat to maintain that plenum temp.
Every psi of post compressor presure loss (ie intercooler restriction) will add 1.2 kW of work to the compressor, that the IC will have to get rid off to maintain the plenum temp. So with 8 psi your doing 9.6 kW (12.8 bhp) extra compressor work, so thats say 15 bhp turbine work, which would typically drop twice that off the flywheel through increased pumping losses and reduced detonation limit (increased HOT in-cylinder exhaust gas residuals). Thats before you've even factored in the reduction in airflow / spark due to increased plenum temp.
The moral of the story - get your system designed right!:D
Working on it... :p
Developing it all the time. :)
Pace chargecooler is now progressing.
Sooner the better.
No apparent fade on the road tho, which is nice. :)
Bill
Bill
I take it you're still going to Stealth on sunday?
Just a thought but I think their rollers are limited to 200kW (270hp) at the wheels, so your car may have a little too much power. We all know you're hands down the most powerful car there!
Also would you realy notice any fade on the road? Can you use full power for more than a few seconds? Even if you lose 20-30hp, 300hp is still going to feel just as effing quick as 330 in a lightweight rollerscate.
You may have already said, but what clutch are you using?
Any chance of a ride on sunday? I'm going to arrange to go try jabbas MKIV, but am thinking about doing a quaife first, so a comparison would be good.
Also what did the dreaded insurance say? Aproximate % increase over chipped would be interesting. I'm hoping it's quite a lot, as the jabba conversion looks more tempting every day. I want to wait to see how many drivetrain parts you destroy (or not) over the next few months, before I take the plunge.
ibizacupra
04-02-2003, 12:25
Originally posted by GtiT
Bill
I take it you're still going to Stealth on sunday?
Just a thought but I think their rollers are limited to 200kW (270hp) at the wheels, so your car may have a little too much power. We all know you're hands down the most powerful car there!
Also would you realy notice any fade on the road? Can you use full power for more than a few seconds? Even if you lose 20-30hp, 300hp is still going to feel just as effing quick as 330 in a lightweight rollerscate.
You may have already said, but what clutch are you using?
Any chance of a ride on sunday? I'm going to arrange to go try jabbas MKIV, but am thinking about doing a quaife first, so a comparison would be good.
Also what did the dreaded insurance say? Aproximate % increase over chipped would be interesting. I'm hoping it's quite a lot, as the jabba conversion looks more tempting every day. I want to wait to see how many drivetrain parts you destroy (or not) over the next few months, before I take the plunge.
270bhp ATW.... hmmm
Going to be close then. with heatsoak on a RR its likely to be at the max, judging by Jabba's wheel power figure of 288Cv
I can wind down me boost on the day... Got me a nice ickle knob and everything.. (:p) - [smutty minds]
I feel like a guinee pig... Everyone waiting for the bang!
I want to run on Vinces rollers as a comparison, as his are accurate..
(my previous chipping affair recorded the same figures at Stealth and Jabba, so it should be repeatable)
My clutch is VR6 Helix setup and ABF (lightened) flywheel.
regards
Bill
Does 0-60 really mean anything at all in the real world unless you are a traffic light GP pilot ? A better indicator of the grunt would be 50-150 - I suspect it will be not much time...............
Ave it
Dave
Dave, you're right but it would still be nice to know. Also, lets face it some of us are interested inthe occasional traffic light GP and we want to know what league to play in. Bills Ibiza hopefully thrashes Imprezas and Evos when it gets going but the Impreza/Evo will have an advantage off the line.... the question is, how big is their advantage? 1 second, 2 seconds? If it was only say 1 second then you may be able to make up the gap and take the lead before you reach silly speeds. :)
I know its not important but its interesting to know.
Pretty much most of my parts equate to the 340+ level kit.
S3 Ecu is my choice... mike can do better with the Ibiza one now, but I prefer the S3 one's TCS..
Cat is race spec as it has to be... (apparently used by BTCC racers, where it is reported to loose on 1.7bhp)
Best bet Ben... is get yourself up there, drive Jabba's demo, and talk details with Mike face to face.
You will comprehend exactly what it is your lusting for.
I will do Bill, but I think I'll wait for the snow to go away first! :)
BTW, you said that your turbo was a newer evolution than the one used in Jabbas demo car and so you were expecting it to spin up sooner and maybe hold boost longer (Or something like that.). So, has it? How does your conversion compare to the one in the demo car?
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
04-02-2003, 13:22
Originally posted by BenS1
BTW, you said that your turbo was a newer evolution than the one used in Jabbas demo car and so you were expecting it to spin up sooner and maybe hold boost longer (Or something like that.). So, has it? How does your conversion compare to the one in the demo car?
Cheers
Ben
Mines still loosening off.
It matches Jabba's run in one for spool up etc, although is running the more conservative setup at the mo. (intercooler etc - vs Jabba's on its chargecooler system)
Mike says when they're fully run in (no idea how long this will take tho), that you will be able to hear the turbine spooling down for along time after you've stopped. I can't hear a thing so presume it stops.
Have to see how it goes.
Wot snow?
Bill
Is there any reason why you are going for the Pace chargecooler instead of the Jabbasport one, or are they the same one (I thought Jabbasport were making their own one.)?
So, if 330bhp isn't enough then whats your target? Your a nutter! :D
I understand that the Ibiza engine has a smaller port head so isn't as tunable as the Leon/Audis etc... is it possible to change to the bigger port head and maybe change the compression ratio thereby making it possible to goto well over 400bhp?
Ben
I've got my 20k service coming up this weekend and I want to supply my own oil... something that will be good enough to handle the heat/power of the IHI conversion. I was originally thinking of Mobil 1 15W50 but the 15 cold viscocity means excessive engine wear whilst the engine is cold (The website actually recommends that you let the engine idle for a couple of minutes before moving at all.... hence why its sold as motorsport oil and not normal road use oil.). An alternative would be Castrol RS 10W60, which would spread around the engine more easily when cold (10 Vs 15 viscocity) and offers better protection when hot (60 Vs 50).... but the only concern is will the oil pump have any problems with a 60 oil?
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
04-02-2003, 15:36
Originally posted by BenS1
Is there any reason why you are going for the Pace chargecooler instead of the Jabbasport one, or are they the same one (I thought Jabbasport were making their own one.)?
So, if 330bhp isn't enough then whats your target? Your a nutter! :D
I understand that the Ibiza engine has a smaller port head so isn't as tunable as the Leon/Audis etc... is it possible to change to the bigger port head and maybe change the compression ratio thereby making it possible to goto well over 400bhp?
Ben
Pace is Jabba's choice... They don't have time, but may well make mine from a Pace core. Not sure.
1.05bar max currently and nearly stock ignition settings.
1.25bar is the target for mine and more aggresive ignition.... both of which will yield more power. Hoping for more than 350bhp cos thats a nice number! :p should be pretty easy. I always have the boost controller to wind it back :D
Some small porting of the existing head would yield soem more top end, but then you have to question other items in the engine with these higher rpms... Valve train, rods, rod bolts yada yada yada.
Ultimately Ben Anything is possible.
Speed is a function of money... How much do you want to spend.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
04-02-2003, 15:38
Originally posted by BenS1
I've got my 20k service coming up this weekend and I want to supply my own oil... something that will be good enough to handle the heat/power of the IHI conversion. I was originally thinking of Mobil 1 15W50 but the 15 cold viscocity means excessive engine wear whilst the engine is cold (The website actually recommends that you let the engine idle for a couple of minutes before moving at all.... hence why its sold as motorsport oil and not normal road use oil.). An alternative would be Castrol RS 10W60, which would spread around the engine more easily when cold (10 Vs 15 viscocity) and offers better protection when hot (60 Vs 50).... but the only concern is will the oil pump have any problems with a 60 oil?
Cheers
Ben
Why not try Quantum Synta... VAG's own fully synthetic?
Bill
Surfer_D
04-02-2003, 15:51
f@ck me......now I understand why you're not answering my e-mails so fast.
I'll come down to the Island if you give me a ride.....sh!t.
Well RIP m8, you'll not live for a long time in this monster! :cheers:
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Well its back, its rolling, and its rolling f'king quickly now! :D
That's just silly! :D
I reckon you could make the money back at the track day if you charge for passenger rides. I'd pay for a trip out to try and comprehend that sort of power!
Nice one Bill!
:cheers:
Andy
ibizacupra
04-02-2003, 18:59
Originally posted by Surfer_D
f@ck me......now I understand why you're not answering my e-mails so fast.
I'll come down to the Island if you give me a ride.....sh!t.
Well RIP m8, you'll not live for a long time in this monster! :cheers:
LOL
Check your email by the way.. :D
I don't have a death wish by the way...
There's this control thing, which I think is called the throttle.... the lower you press it down, the faster you go.... Strange but true :p
Restraint is prudent with this motor.
Nice knowing it is capable of wasting most things tho...
I would say I am driving slower now its been done. (so far :))
regards
Bill
is that cos the petrol stations are too far apart for full throttle drives?
ibizacupra
04-02-2003, 23:09
Originally posted by MarkP
is that cos the petrol stations are too far apart for full throttle drives?
You will be amazed to know I am still on the same tank of fuel on which I filled up at Jabba on Saturday.... Over 200miles clocked and 1/3 tank remaining.
Its much better than I feared, and I have been exercising it a bit..:p
Bill
Shock_Xe
04-02-2003, 23:14
Originally posted by ibizacupra
You will be amazed to know I am still on the same tank of fuel on which I filled up at Jabba on Saturday.... Over 200miles clocked and 1/3 tank remaining.
Its much better than I feared, and I have been exercising it a bit..:p
Bill
Hang on u still got 1/3 tank and 200miles????? Im lucky 2 get 200miles outta a full tank and thats not driving really hard!!!!! :eek: I think i got a petrol leak!!!
im also lucky to get 200miles out of a tank!
ibizacupra
05-02-2003, 08:01
I feel better already....
Not so bad mpg after all me thinks.... :)
Bill
im begining to think that bill drives like a grandma on the roads now. :p
ibizacupra
05-02-2003, 09:36
Originally posted by Mike20VT
im begining to think that bill drives like a grandma on the roads now. :p
I would'nt say that...
It was glowing nicely last night...:eek:
mpg suffered tho.
I do think tho that I have slowed down a bit.... dunno why, but I have.
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
I would'nt say that...
It was glowing nicely last night...:eek:
mpg suffered tho.
I do think tho that I have slowed down a bit.... dunno why, but I have.
Bill
It's called age mate. Your bottle goes earlier and you become more content. It doesn't stop you giving it some, but you think about it more and consider the consequenses i.e. death
Originally posted by Phill
im also lucky to get 200miles out of a tank!
I always get at least 270miles before the petrol light comes on, except track days obviously.
max_torque
05-02-2003, 11:17
Its a well proven automotive fact (we call it the inverse performance relationship!) that the faster your car can go, the slower you actually drive it. I think it's mainly cause you already know you could out accelerate a jet fighter, so why race round like a kid!
(how many times have you seen a 1.2 Nova flashing an M3 or Jag out of the fast lane!)
(also it's easy to drive fast when all you have to do is floor it and there not enough power to wheel spin or have to brake for corners, get into something with real GO, and driving becomes a whole lot more cerebral and a lot less gung ho!)
ibizacupra
05-02-2003, 11:17
Originally posted by whelme
It's called age mate. Your bottle goes earlier and you become more content. It doesn't stop you giving it some, but you think about it more and consider the consequenses i.e. death
True...
More sensible these days.... age...Hmm Catching up with me.:p
there is a time and a place for doing these kinda things....
The performance truely limits where you can actually use it.. to its full potential.
Thats why I am not going to try Vmax anywhere else than Bruntingthorpe, and going to attack Donnington with it... Only place you can truely let rip.
So far 250bhp low boost setting is plenty for the road conditions when being sensible.... High boost reserved for "special occasions" :)
Bill
Bloody hell I 200 miles and 1/3rd of a tank left.... I normally get 200miles max but over hte last 2 weeks I have been doing a little experiment to see just how economical I can be... I've kept off boost and driven at a constant 60mph on the motorways. The result, a max 260mile from a tank!!!
Have you surprised any cars on the road yet? :)
Ben
I've had 310miles when the petrol light comes on in the past, but usually it's about 285. You lads are either heavy on the right foot or do an enormous amount of town stop start driving. Even got 40mpg once coming back down the A1 from Peterborough 35mile journey, boring though.
Not always best to keep the revs so low. I've managed 330 miles in my 16v but typically get 260-290 before filling up again. Seen single figure mpg on the trip though :D
It does seem to annoy ppl when you 'experiment' and use as light a throttle as poss, coast every where and don't use the brakes.
Most of my driving is on motorways. During my economy driving I get upto 39mpg average over the whole tank (I normally get 28.8mpg)... That was from filling the tank to the top down to the estimated miles remaining being ZERO!!! So, in theory thats 45 litres (I think when I refilled I could only get 40 litres back in, implying that 5 litres were left in the tank). So, 40 litres = 9 gallons(ish), 260 miles = 28.8mpg..... strange... why does the trip computer say 39mpg then!
Also, I normally get 200 miles when not driving economically, so thats only 22mpg!!! OMG!
Anyway, I think I've taken this thread off on a tangent, sorry....
... back to the subject...
Bill, Jabbasport have an ad in PVW stating that the new website will open on Jan 2nd... obviously its not, did Mike give you any idea when it'll be up? I could phone and ask him but I know he's very busy.
Also, have you considred getting the strengthened rods/pistons that they do or do you not think you need them?
Cheers
Ben
leonvt2001
06-02-2003, 10:20
Originally posted by BenS1
I was originally thinking of Mobil 1 15W50 but the 15 cold viscocity means excessive engine wear whilst the engine is cold (The website actually recommends that you let the engine idle for a couple of minutes before moving at all.... hence why its sold as motorsport oil and not normal road use oil.).
Where did you read this? Do you have a link?
Just curious as this is the first time I have heard this - it doesn't mention it on the packaging. As far as I am aware it is "Motorsport" because the viscosity is better at the higher temperatures found in engines that are in a higher state of tune.
From the Mobil website:
"the oil is thin enough to flow quickly around the engine at the lowest temperatures, but as the engine heats up and operates at the highest RPM, it retains its viscosity providing superior protection and maximum power output"
I use this in my MR2 and have never let it idle for more than 15 seconds or so before driving off.
ibizacupra
06-02-2003, 11:20
Originally posted by BenS1
Bill, Jabbasport have an ad in PVW stating that the new website will open on Jan 2nd... obviously its not, did Mike give you any idea when it'll be up? I could phone and ask him but I know he's very busy.
Also, have you considred getting the strengthened rods/pistons that they do or do you not think you need them?
Cheers
Ben
Mike did say Brian was close and reviewing the updated site, when I spoke Saturday.
It can't be far away, but their problem is time.
Rods seem Ok.. 1.8T is pretty strong
no harm in doing it, peace of mind etc... along with ARP hardware.
If/when I go further in the power stakes (which inevitably I will) I will be going to ARP fasteners and review rods etc.... But this will be when chasing 400+bhp. Thats a way off to be honest. 330bhp is plenty. :) For now.
Bill
Originally posted by leonvt2001
Where did you read this? Do you have a link?
Just curious as this is the first time I have heard this - it doesn't mention it on the packaging. As far as I am aware it is "Motorsport" because the viscosity is better at the higher temperatures found in engines that are in a higher state of tune.
From the Mobil website:
"the oil is thin enough to flow quickly around the engine at the lowest temperatures, but as the engine heats up and operates at the highest RPM, it retains its viscosity providing superior protection and maximum power output"
I use this in my MR2 and have never let it idle for more than 15 seconds or so before driving off.
I've just had another look and sure enough I can't find it now.... typical. Either way 15 is still quite viscous for an oil at cold... normally you'd want 0-10 at cold. Thats why 10W60 Castrol RS sounds like a good option (Providing the oil pump can handle it).
Bill, have you considered putting 215 wide tyres on to give extra grip with all that power? I damaged an alloy a while back and bought a replacement and now I use the damaged on as a spare... I'm gonna get a part worn 215 put on it (£10) and see if thres any problems in the arches. If it fits then my next set of tyres will be 215s.
Cheers
Ben
From experience 215/40X16s are cheaper than 205/45X16s but are slightly smaller in diameter.
ibizacupra
06-02-2003, 14:12
Jabba have bought 215-40-16 for their Ibiza. Toyo Proxes T1-S
7x16 rims due to them. MO's
Mine rubs on 205's so I dunno really.
going to be close if you run low like me.
Bill
From experience 215/40X16s are cheaper than 205/45X16s but are slightly smaller in diameter.
I'm currently running 205x40x17 and the ride is VERY harsh even with the Bilstiens set to softest.... 215x40x17 will have a slightly bigger radius and hopefully the extra rubber will improve the ride whilst also improving grip.... IF they fit!
Ben
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Jabba have bought 215-40-16 for their Ibiza. Toyo Proxes T1-S
7x16 rims due to them. MO's
Mine rubs on 205's so I dunno really.
going to be close if you run low like me.
Bill
Your 205s rub??? My 205s are on 7.5x17 inch rims and the car is pretty low and mine don't rub! 215s will definately be close, thats why I'm not buying a full new set until I've tried one out on my spare wheel first.
Cheers
Ben
CustardCupra
07-02-2003, 19:08
SHIT !!!!!! Been that wrapped up with work and stuff looks like i've been missing out on all the fun .
:D CONGRATULATIONS on one hell of a mental motor Bill ,
green with envy is an understatement :D
I can't wait till next year so i can get some Jabbapower ,
I'm still waiting to get the PSS9s fitted ,then it will be Brembo time !!!
Will have to get along to a RR or Track day this year so i can check out yer motor .
Top man :cheers:
Keep leading the way Bill !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jools
Bill,
I remember some time back that you commented on how bad the Cruise Control was on your Ibiza and that made you feel sea sick... I was just wondering if its any better with the IHI conversion or does the extra power make it even worse?
Cheers
Ben
and can you set the cruise to 140?
ibizacupra
25-02-2003, 14:53
Originally posted by BenS1
Bill,
I remember some time back that you commented on how bad the Cruise Control was on your Ibiza and that made you feel sea sick... I was just wondering if its any better with the IHI conversion or does the extra power make it even worse?
Cheers
Ben
Cruise control has bene workign perfectly for months now.
It seemed related to where I was pointing the cold air feed pipe to the induction kit.
works a treat then and now.
:D
regards
bill
Huh, you could of told me, I put my plans to buy cruise control on hold because of the problems you reported! ;) Nah, only joking.
So thats anothr thing to put on the shopping list then!
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
15-03-2003, 19:32
I went to a RR with CGTI today at TSR Performance in Bridgewater..
Basic RR with no capture or dynoplot feature but always a giggle and always loads of modded VAG cars.
As a ref, my old Jetta usually did 170bhp @ wheels there and my pre IHI Ibiza also just about got 170bhp also.
Today soem 20VT motors went on there also.
Skoda RS made 180bhp @ wheels
MK2 20VT conversion (std engine) made 160bhp @ wheels
A spread of G60's made between 150-160bhp
Ibiza 20VT (revo'd) did 180bhp @ wheels
Ibiza 20VT (Autotechnic-Superchips?) made 170bhp @ wheels
VR6, Schrick VSR, Supercharged Mk3 Gti, ex Mike Stanley car, Stealth Racing built... made 238bhp @ wheels.
My Ibiza made......................... 320bhp @ wheels :p
Optimistic rollers I know, but relative on the day I guess.
So far so good.
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
I went to a RR with CGTI today at TSR Performance in Bridgewater..
My Ibiza made......................... 340bhp @ wheels :p
Optimistic rollers I know, but relative on the day I guess.
So far so good.
Bill
Stop being a smug Git Bill;) ur starting to make other peeps jealous:o
gary bocking
15-03-2003, 19:55
I wasn't going to ask on CGTi as the TSR lovers will go nuts, but what power did the Ibiza produce at Stealth Bill?
ibizacupra
15-03-2003, 21:21
Originally posted by gary bocking
I wasn't going to ask on CGTi as the TSR lovers will go nuts, but what power did the Ibiza produce at Stealth Bill?
Stealth was 325bhp at that time..
It has had some more mods and a remap since then tho, and back on Jabba's dyno it achieved 337bhp.
Jabba's and Stealth's RR agreed within a couple of bhp..
Bill
ibizacupra
15-03-2003, 21:24
Originally posted by F2 Stu
Stop being a smug Git Bill;) ur starting to make other peeps jealous:o
:laff:
After being ripped off for £2K by the previous shite conversion company... I feel like being smug... Now it does what it says on the tin. :D
I just don't like to think to much about all the ££ going into the car tho ! Only live once tho eh. :)
bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
:laff:
After being ripped off for £2K by the previous shite conversion company... I feel like being smug... Now it does what it says on the tin. :D
I just don't like to think to much about all the ££ going into the car tho ! Only live once tho eh. :)
bill
Indeed.
Not bad for a sensible road car:eek: :help: :D
"I just don't like to think to much about all the ££ going into the car tho"
Don't worry Bill, i'm now putting 3k into it and it's still the stock setup :/
CustardCupra
16-03-2003, 11:37
:D :D :D LOL
Nice one Bill .
How does your IHI Ibiza Act on the RR then Bill ?
By this i mean is it like some cars that need half a dozen people sat over the front wheels to get an accurate reading ?
320 BHp @ Wheels :D what did the VW boys make of that then ?
I know when i came away with top honours at a Club GTI RR day with my AMD Ibiza ( 160 @ wheels ) there was a few disjointed noses from the VW diehards .
Definitely going to Jabbasport early next year for 300 bhp , just reading about your own car gets me going ( Feel like im 18 again )
;) Will be in touch soon for some Brembos'
Jools:cheers:
Good one Bill, the more good things I her about this conversion the better as I'm definately gonna get it! :D
Have you got the chargecooler yet?
Do you have any further mods planned?
:cheers:
Ben
Originally posted by BenS1
Do you have any further mods planned?
:cheers:
Ben
Surely that's a rhetorical question? (Irony).
ibizacupra
17-03-2003, 08:11
Originally posted by jools
:D :D :D LOL
Nice one Bill .
How does your IHI Ibiza Act on the RR then Bill ?
By this i mean is it like some cars that need half a dozen people sat over the front wheels to get an accurate reading ?
320 BHp @ Wheels :D what did the VW boys make of that then ?
I know when i came away with top honours at a Club GTI RR day with my AMD Ibiza ( 160 @ wheels ) there was a few disjointed noses from the VW diehards .
Definitely going to Jabbasport early next year for 300 bhp , just reading about your own car gets me going ( Feel like im 18 again )
;) Will be in touch soon for some Brembos'
Jools:cheers:
I would guess it was enlightening.... for the peeps there to see TSR's roller spin off the dial...
I've not seen that happen before... and I'm still not used to seeing it.
There were a couple of guys leaning on the front panel yes, as wheel spin was an issue, but it more or less gripped enough after they adjusted the load settings on the rollers.
The SEAT's there made good power on the day. The G60's usually are good for high numbers, but seemed a little lower than usual on Saturday. (I don't know the engines spec's so they may have been in a lower state of tune than many I have seen)
TSR is under new ownership now BTW.... a guy called Neal now owns it. Graham (who used to work there) is also now back again now Tim has retired.
Bill
ibizacupra
17-03-2003, 08:14
Originally posted by BenS1
Good one Bill, the more good things I her about this conversion the better as I'm definately gonna get it! :D
Have you got the chargecooler yet?
Do you have any further mods planned?
:cheers:
Ben
:laff:
You should be getting to know me by now...
Ed seems to have sussed me :p
Yep. :D
More mods planned...
chargecooler is due from Pace to Jabba Friday this week. Fingers crossed its on time.
I have a few trackdays lined up and definately need more intercooling for sustained full throttle.
Step by step, its quietly bleeding me dry.... ;)
Bill
Other than the chargecooler what other mods are you thinking about (Or is it top secret)? Are you considering a second or a different intercooler?
Have you fitted (Or do you plan to fit) oil temp and charge-temp gauges?
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
17-03-2003, 12:54
Originally posted by BenS1
Other than the chargecooler what other mods are you thinking about (Or is it top secret)? Are you considering a second or a different intercooler?
Have you fitted (Or do you plan to fit) oil temp and charge-temp gauges?
Cheers
Ben
Plans are undisclosed for the moment... (still making em)
Chargecooler will be only intercooler... need more airflow potential so have to replace stock mounted one.
I have gauges (SPA dual one) which is oil temp and pressure.
Not fitted yet tho.... time is difficult for me currently. Charge temp is on the cards also... with Jabba's help.
regards
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Chargecooler will be only intercooler... need more airflow potential so have to replace stock mounted one.
regards
Bill
Bill, I thought you'd fitted a Forge replacement for stock cooler.
Chargecooler will be only intercooler... need more airflow potential so have to replace stock mounted one.
Do you mean that you wont be using any intercooler at all (Stock or Forge)?
Ben
ibizacupra
17-03-2003, 15:40
Originally posted by whelme
Bill, I thought you'd fitted a Forge replacement for stock cooler.
I have.
It allowed mike to map another few bhp out of it before flow restriction and temps became an issue again. It was not designed for this qty airflow or power.
It was 325 with stock IC and 339 mapped with Forge one.
Flow is the issue, bottling up and creating higher temps through backpressure and the turbo having to produce high turbine boost to achieve requested manifold pressure.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
17-03-2003, 15:42
Originally posted by BenS1
Do you mean that you wont be using any intercooler at all (Stock or Forge)?
Ben
Yep.
Chargecooler only.
Don't want any other flow restrictions....
Bill
Obviously you're confident that a chargecooler alone can provide sufficient cooling.
Does the Pace chargecooler use the washer fluid like the Jabbasport designed one does?
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
17-03-2003, 19:35
Yes it will. It has a great qty of water to circulate then which is sometimes quite limiting on closed charge cooled systems.
It is PACE's core with Mikes input on design/fit etc...
If I was'nt going to be confident in it being more than adequate I would'nt be doing it at all.
Pace have doen some calcs to size the core, and radiator sizing, water flow rates etc..
Fingers crossed it will be fine, and a lot more resilliant than my small air to air setup running at the moment.
This is being sought as my car spends a lot of time on track, which is the only place you can sustain high boost high loads. On the public roads, for the odd blast, a smaller alternate solution, such as I run currently with the Forge uprated one would be adequate.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
18-03-2003, 21:25
Here is a video done by Tris from Club Gti of Badger Ibiza turning the TSR rollers over..
The comments at the end made me laugh!
Listen out for them...
V.Funny. :laff:
http://www.x103.co.uk/dubs/TSR_rolling_road_150303/videos/TSR-RR_Badger.wmv
regards
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Here is a video done by Tris from Club Gti of Badger Ibiza turning the TSR rollers over..
The comments at the end made me laugh!
Listen out for them...
V.Funny. :laff:
http://www.x103.co.uk/dubs/TSR_rolling_road_150303/videos/TSR-RR_Badger.wmv
regards
Bill
ha ha ha - very good!
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Here is a video done by Tris from Club Gti of Badger Ibiza turning the TSR rollers over..
The comments at the end made me laugh!
Listen out for them...
V.Funny. :laff:
http://www.x103.co.uk/dubs/TSR_rolling_road_150303/videos/TSR-RR_Badger.wmv
regards
Bill
Looks like they'll have to invest in a new dial for the rollers, now the big boys are in town.:p
:)
Watch the vid and you'll see that the second run went upto 90 not 80, so in theory thats 240+90 = 330bhp at the wheels!!!
:D
Ben