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LEO LION R
11-02-2003, 12:10
It would be interesting to compare the improvements that it has made in various scenarios.
Has anyone actually managed to record times for the likes of 30-70mph 60-100 etc etc in their chipped 130TDi ?
:cheers:
RB5 would be better placed to do this as he has GPS.
I could get some one to use a stopwatch in the car for rough guestimate if you want.
I did 30-100 a while back. Rough and ready (by speedo and second hand of my watch :rolleyes: ) it was 13 secs repeated over 2 tests. It's a bitch slowing to 30 on the motorway erm I mean test track ;)
I'll try 50-70 and 60-100 if you like.
If I had done it on, say, the M5 then I'd have used the slip road from services to drive out of. Probably. ;)
Flashred
11-02-2003, 12:17
RB5> You have the secret code for the climatronic ?
Originally posted by Flashred
RB5> You have the secret code for the climatronic ?
It's on here somewhere, but not to hand, no...
LEO LION R
11-02-2003, 12:24
Well it is just to compar ewith what the mags usually test for, but you could do any speeds/times that suit in both standard and hyper mode to make a better comparison - probably more realistic this way too as you have bigger feet on the cars now.
Okay how about a 0-60 & 0-100 and a 50-70 in 4th and a 30-70 through any gears, so long as you don't knacker your clutch doing it ;)
:cheers:
Originally posted by LEO LION R
Well it is just to compar ewith what the mags usually test for, but you could do any speeds/times that suit in both standard and hyper mode to make a better comparison - probably more realistic this way too as you have bigger feet on the cars now.
Okay how about a 0-60 & 0-100 and a 50-70 in 4th and a 30-70 through any gears, so long as you don't knacker your clutch doing it ;)
:cheers:
I'm not keen on standing start timings....
I'll do the rolling ones though.
I don't have switchable (yet at least) so it all has to be on full-fat 184/307 spec.
Back in half an hour with some times.
LEO LION R
11-02-2003, 12:34
excellent :D
Right. Due to other "test track" users I was unable to get a 0-100 time. Iforgot to get a 30-70 time but I did get a 0-60 gotta love those traffic lights and a 50-70
All times are rough and it should be noted that its wet outside and my car has a ton of ICE in it.
anyway
50-70 in 4th
1st run 4 seconds
2nd run 5 seconds
0-60 using 1st 2nd and 3rd
1st run 9 seconds
2nd run fraction under 8 seconds
0-60 time is near impossible in the wet due to lack of traction in 1st 2nd and 3rd gears. I will scout for a good bit of road cough test track and get some better times.
I'd expect 0-60 to be at least low 7's if not high 6's in the dry when timed correctly.but as you say Rage it is useless trying in this climate at the moment. Roll on spring/summer :D
LEO LION R
11-02-2003, 13:39
thanks for trying, it will be good to see what the dry / accurate times produce
:cheers:
Lots of people were out testing their cars when I left work, unfortunately they seemed to be after constant speed fuel economy figures tho, so I couldn't get any times. Oh, and I completely forgot... :redface:
My wife has taken my car to the gym now and I'm not going out in it again tonight, so I'll try to remember to do some tomorrow.
I did some 50-70 times on the way home just now (it was too busy to go outside that speed band), but I'm not posting the results until Rage & prc come clean. :mad:
Oh, go on then....
Only did each one once and used the speedo as the GPS only updates every second :rolleyes:
50-70 remember:
3rd 3.7
4th 5.0
5th 7.7
Are they any good? I'm hopeless with in-gear times.
when I did mine in 4th I was thinking that I could get a much better pick up in 3rd. you've proved it.
For everyone that simply must know whats going on
I've sent prc some w5w bluevision sidelight bulbs that came free from powerbulbs which I'm not using cos I've already got a set installed. :)
any good? Damn that blinding fast.
Thought they weren't bad from the way it felt... ;)
I'll try to do 30-70 or 60-100 or something sometime soon.
I have some data from Autocar on the standard 130 TDi
50-70
3rd 4.7
4th 5.3
5th 7.5
Which is pretty damn quick ain't it!!
Harvey..
Originally posted by Harvey
I have some data from Autocar on the standard 130 TDi
50-70
3rd 4.7
4th 5.3
5th 7.5
Which is pretty damn quick ain't it!!
Harvey..
Must try harder in 5th....
Shouldn't be hard at all for you fen. I'd be interested in a before and after with the panel filter. As to the high cetane diesel, I've been using it for the last 2 or so months. Produces much less smoke, the engine runs alot smoother. Not sure about about more power though. (rated at 55 cetane instead of the normal 51).
I can't seem to find cetane ratings on any major uk fuel suppliers. Anyone know what the cetane rating on shell diesel is ??
I think due to reasonable weather today my local test track may be holding a late night opening session this evening so I'll probably check that out.
Originally posted by prc
Shouldn't be hard at all for you fen. I'd be interested in a before and after with the panel filter. As to the high cetane diesel, I've been using it for the last 2 or so months. Produces much less smoke, the engine runs alot smoother. Not sure about about more power though. (rated at 55 cetane instead of the normal 51).
I'm not expecting the panel to make as much difference to times as my error in timing / variance in technique, but I'll try.
Actually on technique, how is it supposed to work? Do you sit at constant 50 then floor it or do you accelerate through 50 and start the watch at the right time? I went for in between where I was accelerating gently up to 50 then floored it. I think my 5th geaar time was bad because I held 50 and the boost dropped off, then I had to respool the turbo at round 1,700 rpm (IIRC on revs).
I'm too tired for late night testing and my work this week has left me with the commute of a normal person (around 1 hour and leaving at 8am, rather than 4 hours leaving at 5:30), so the track is busy by the time I get to it.
I got a steady 50 and then gave it some throttle in a kind of overtaking simulation style. I was really tempted to drop into 3rd though.
Originally posted by RB5
Actually on technique, how is it supposed to work? Do you sit at constant 50 then floor it or do you accelerate through 50 and start the watch at the right time? I went for in between where I was accelerating gently up to 50 then floored it. I think my 5th geaar time was bad because I held 50 and the boost dropped off, then I had to respool the turbo at round 1,700 rpm (IIRC on revs).
That's a good question. I would guess that it's like rage says, steady 50 then nail it:D
Just remebered of a question that I haven't asked either of you guys.
How does the car feel and pull above the 4000rpm mark. On the toledo it completely dies above 4200. I'd actually say much more than the 110 ibiza I had before. I becomes annoying at times, I really wished it could pull well up to the 4500 mark.
yep it does tail off pretty quick after 4k on the bright side there is an extra gear to use
It'll pull OK up to 4,500. From our plots there is still 170bhp or so when the plot ends at around 4,500 and there's still a little torque. About as much as a Cupra :D
I find I sometimes rev it too far and it's showing 4600 or so then. Does that sound about right Simon, Aceman, Dave99?
thanks for the info. I thought that after remapping you'd be able to have it in gear for a few hundred more RPM.
2nd and 3rd its easy to take it to the red line. 4th is more of a challenge.
I'd agree in the first 2 gears it is all too easy to get carried away and let it hit the governer, 3rd you do feel the drop slightly but it's still pulling hard all the way. 4th, 5th & 6th there is little point in going over 4k as changing up brings you back into monster torque territory by which time you are nearing triple figures anyway. :D
Originally posted by aceman
.....there is little point in going over 4k as changing up brings you back into monster torque territory by which time you are nearing triple figures anyway. :D
What do you mean by "there is little point", want to may the 320d crowd eat my dust big time:D :D
Not much of a problem with triple digits either (we use km hear);)
Actually Mr. Copper usually lets us get away with 160km/hr (in low traffic situations):D
oh yeah, quite easy to hit the red line in the lower gears when leaving the lights ;) I tend to shift up at about 3000 in the lower gears.
Gleistung
16-02-2003, 20:54
The Ibiza TDI130 has an extremely long final drive, especially on 4th,5th and 6th gears, way longer than any other VAG TDI130 model or even the TDI150 versions..
This fact handicaps the Ibiza acceleration after 3rd gear and ~100mph, while comparing to it´s VAG TDI130/150 brothers.. The only goodsides I can see is reduced consumption and great high-speed autobahn cruising, especially on a tuned car.
Just out of curiosity on our rolling road we´ve passed the 300kmh (187mph) mark (real speed) while testing in 6th gear at ~5000RPM.. :eek:
:cheers:
I pulled to 4,500 in 4th on Friday; it got there OK but much slower than changing up would have been and indicted 120+mph :eek:
Well I guess we can't really ask for miracles, but as long as it doesn't totally die at 4k I'll be quite happy.
Anyone got the MPH per 1000rpm figures for our gearbox?
59.8kph/1000rpm according to SEAT.com here (http://new.seatibiza.com/default_en.htm) (under "techtables")
Hard to work out final ratios for all gears 'cos 5th/6th are on different layshaft with higher final drive.
LEO LION R
17-02-2003, 08:44
Ratios for Ibiza TDi 130 sport
I. 3.769 (I)
II. 2.087 (I)
III. 1.324 (I)
IV. 0.911 (I)
V. 0.902 (II)
VI. 0.756 (II)
R 4.459 (II)
Final Drive _
4.188
3.882
3.882
3.158
2.955(I);
2.407(II)
Speed 1000 rpm in V is 37 mph (seat website)
so i recon VI gear would be 44mph@ 1000rpm ! ! ! ! !
:cheers:
All I know is that it's 167km/hr@3000rpm:D
LEO LION R
17-02-2003, 13:39
Well that makes the Ibiza 130 TDi = 167km/hr @ 2272rpm ! :eek:
:cheers:
Originally posted by LEO LION R
Well that makes the Ibiza 130 TDi = 167km/hr @ 2272rpm ! :eek:
:cheers:
Something seems wrong Leo? Are you sure? I would think them about the same:confused:
Must be wrong.
85 in 6th on mine is about 2300/2500 rpm IIRC. Anyting up to 100 is under 3000rpm.
LEO LION R
17-02-2003, 13:57
Well even going on Seat's site info of 37mph/1000rpm in 5th makes 5th gear 2702rpm at 167kp/hr (100mph)
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I don't think it's that high. I'd say getting on for 3,000 rpm at 100mph; maybe 2,700-2,800...
100mph at about 2700 seems about right to me as well. I haven't checked if the ratios are the same between both boxs, but I wouldn't think so.
I'd say 2,650 - 2,700 @100mph from just having tried it.
slim_boy_fat
17-02-2003, 22:32
Its speed @ 1000rppm in V but in the case of the 130 i think they mean VI
37 mph per 1000 rpm is a pretty high gear. The proof is the the standard 130 has a top end of 129mph @ 3468 rpm with still 500 to go for max power...Prob needs to get down to the gym pump some iron and get into a slimmer waist coat....Just like me!!
Even the Revoed ones seem to one to be able to pull 3784 rpm. With a theoretical top speed of 166.5 in sixth i think more power is required.
Lets face it 6th is really and overdrive for good economy on motorways.
slim_boy_fat
17-02-2003, 22:40
p.s. not convinced by the final rive ratios either!!
But is prob me so dont get too upset...
Not like me to be wrong ;)
Mine will pull me along at about 37mph in 6th at idle speed (which is just under 1000rpm I think)
slim_boy_fat
17-02-2003, 23:19
The final drive ration will be
I - 2.955
II - 2.407 (the ibiza has two lay shafts
Gear ratios
I. 3.769 (I)
II. 2.087 (I)
III. 1.324 (I)
IV. 0.911 (I)
V. 0.902 (II)
VI. 0.756 (II)
R 4.459 (II)
Final reduction ration will be the product of the two
Gear Ratio Fin Driv v(mph)@1000rpm v(mph)@4500 rpm
I. 11.14 (I) 6 28
II. 6.16 (I) 11 51
III. 3.91 (I) 18 80
IV. 2.69 (I) 26 116
V. 2.17 (II) 32 144
VI. 1.82 (II) 38 177
R 10.73 (II) 6 29
I have assumed a tyre circumference hence the 1mph discrepancy with the acutual figure of 37 in top + a bit of rounding error.
Any questions feel free. There is a spreadsheed available (for anyone without primary 5 arithmetic!!)
:cheers:
slim_boy_fat
17-02-2003, 23:21
p.s. my able has obviously not come out very well (looked alright before i posted it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????)
i am sure you can figure it out.
they look about right but I've never taken the car to 4500 in V or VI