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slim_boy_fat
01-03-2003, 18:12
Hey i was just reading the diesel car mag and they had an article on a new product from Superchips. Similar to the Revo chip re programe. Its called blue fin. Is £499 including vat and allow you to switch between tandard and upgrade programes, it also allows you to check the state of the ECU and look at fault codes.
Looks like bette value than the Revo stuff, and they are currently developing it for a much larger range of cars.
I am going to get in toouch to try and find out some more about it.
To be honest Revo realy could do with some competition in this market to make there prices more relistic.
Sorry Revo you have a good product but at getting on for £800 for the sps1 you are having a laugh..
:cheers:
slim_boy_fat
01-03-2003, 18:13
p.s. i really should learn to check my typing.......
Don't know slim. Have heard alot of not so good stuff about superchips, including a few guys hear in Portugal!
They weren't one of my possibilities. do agree on the Revo pricing though. I'm sure that if they could get some really good sales the prices would come down.
slim_boy_fat
02-03-2003, 00:20
What have you heard? I thought they were a fairly well respected company,in the UK anyway. They are pretty much the benchmark..
Its not just sperchips there are quit a few starting to appear giving similar service but at a lower price.
i am not saying Revo stuff is not good, i am sure its top quality BUT the market is strating to open and they may need to become more competative, thats all..
:cheers:
cordobabrendy
02-03-2003, 00:37
superchips have been regarded as being too conservetive with theor programs, ie not getting all that was possible where amd, revo etc did/do.
Superchips prices on there conventional chips may look cheaper but they are still an invasive procedure, having to have the ECU removed, desoldered, resoldered, flashed etc.
And from what ive seen on these forums over the last 2 years, they dont get favourable reviews, many other tuners are producing better products, not just REVO, but AMD, Jabbasport to name but a couple.
The BlueFin you speak of, ive seen a little bit about and it does seem a similar product to REVO's, in that it interacts, directly rewrites the software on the car standard ECU, without removal or soldering, but funnily enough can't find any info or prices on Superchips website, would be interesting to see how cheap and affordable that is, and how many applications it covers, the only info i can find so far is on Fords, and no prices.
£499 gets you the basic REVO software remap, its only more if you want to be able to play with it by adding the SPS module, for either turning it on and off, or in future for disabling the ECU for security anti theft or with SPS3 the ability to change the software to increase boost levels.
Now a conventional superchips is listed at over £500 and that can never have an SPS module to configure it, once its in its in, and it can't be turned on or off, without the chip being physically desoldered.
As i say ive not seen any prices on this BlueFin kit, so if it works out cheaper, then maybe REVO will look at pricing, but in all honesty from what ive seen they have something unique, and the price refelcts the development that has gone into the product.
In time im sure prices may be restructured to reflect the market place, but the fact it is a non intrusive and quick method of chipping makes it so appealing , and in comparison to other products, im not convinced it is that much dearer, when you consider the work thats gone into it, and how good the technology is.
slim_boy_fat
02-03-2003, 14:38
Try www.superchips.co.uk/bluefin
At the moment its only been developed for fords, but it will come out for other manufactures.
If you read my origional post then you will see its £499 and that includes the ability to switch over between standard and performance + the code fault finder.
Thats a whole lot cheaper than Revo who are knocking on £800 for the same.
As for not fulfilling the potential if the superchip 'only' give me 165bghp + 280ft lb, then i dont think i would complain.
I would rather my car still drove in 3-5 years time without having 2 or 3 gearboxes and 4 cluches!!
i believe the superchip do this standard of tune for a reason and its not because they cant extract more performance its because they look at the 'whole' picture.
It depends what you want from your tuning. But whatever it still makes Revo look overpriced.
I think people's gripes have been through experience of Superchips and then going to another chip tuner. It seems that Superchips maps/curves were not as smooth as others which translated onto it's driveability . Similarly, plots for the Oettinger chip for Ibiza 1.8T show a big spike. People seem to have benefited from the superior mapping and curves from the likes of APR, Revo, Jabba, AmD.
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
Try www.superchips.co.uk/bluefin
At the moment its only been developed for fords, but it will come out for other manufactures.
If you read my origional post then you will see its £499 and that includes the ability to switch over between standard and performance + the code fault finder.
Thats a whole lot cheaper than Revo who are knocking on £800 for the same.
As for not fulfilling the potential if the superchip 'only' give me 165bghp + 280ft lb, then i dont think i would complain.
I would rather my car still drove in 3-5 years time without having 2 or 3 gearboxes and 4 cluches!!
i believe the superchip do this standard of tune for a reason and its not because they cant extract more performance its because they look at the 'whole' picture.
It depends what you want from your tuning. But whatever it still makes Revo look overpriced.
Apologies, though they dont seem to link it from Superchips.co.uk main site, nothing mentioned at all that i could see, thats why i missed it. :confused:
When will it come out for other manufacturers?
Im sure lots of builders will be coming forward to have their Transits tuned ;)
Its interesting i'll give it that, but until there is some concrete info on its application to other cars, think i'd stick with a tuning company that knows the VW engines well.
If i get a Ford, i'll give em a bell.
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
Thats a whole lot cheaper than Revo who are knocking on £800 for the same.
As for not fulfilling the potential if the superchip 'only' give me 165bghp + 280ft lb, then i dont think i would complain.
I would rather my car still drove in 3-5 years time without having 2 or 3 gearboxes and 4 cluches!!
i believe the superchip do this standard of tune for a reason and its not because they cant extract more performance its because they look at the 'whole' picture.
I would care to disagree. I've seen a couple with major problems. The gearboxes and clutches really depends on the your right foot:D ;) .
Remember that you could go through 3 boxes and 4 clutches with the stock setup!:)
Sent you a PM
I don;t rate superchips at all. the chip for the GT is 5the same map as FIAT but with boost cuts removed and a raised limiter. they then fit a bleed valve to increase pressure beyond a safe level. this costs over £400. increase in power comes from a £15 bleed valve. boost cut and raised limiter not required as peak power is developed before OE one. now not all programms are going to be like that
ibizacupra
03-03-2003, 08:22
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
Try www.superchips.co.uk/bluefin
At the moment its only been developed for fords, but it will come out for other manufactures.
If you read my origional post then you will see its £499 and that includes the ability to switch over between standard and performance + the code fault finder.
Thats a whole lot cheaper than Revo who are knocking on £800 for the same.
As for not fulfilling the potential if the superchip 'only' give me 165bghp + 280ft lb, then i dont think i would complain.
I would rather my car still drove in 3-5 years time without having 2 or 3 gearboxes and 4 cluches!!
i believe the superchip do this standard of tune for a reason and its not because they cant extract more performance its because they look at the 'whole' picture.
It depends what you want from your tuning. But whatever it still makes Revo look overpriced.
Superchips being "Jack of all, Master of none"
They do not understand VAG range cars as well as REVO guys thats for sure.
Having seen a couple of Superchips conversion.... (Ok chip installs not Bluefin) they were diabolical, and caused ECU failures.
Others will be coming out with Serial Programming, but there is a good reason superchips are'nt doing Bluefin for VAG cars, and thats called encryption....
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Having seen a couple of Superchips conversion.... (Ok chip installs not Bluefin) they were diabolical, and caused ECU failures.
Bill
You can get that with any franchise, Superchips, Upsolute etc. Even heard of the Oettinger ones looking like a dogs breakfast.
ibizacupra
03-03-2003, 14:54
Shhhhh
:P don't mention no more nails..
*cough*
Look out for my Jabbasport review later today :)
Have got to agree with Bill. Never personally involved, but have seen quite a few superchips problems among friend.
edit:
That's actually one of the reasons I've always pended torwards the quasi-OE tuners like ABT.