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tony4563
16-03-2003, 18:04
Guys....Did your seat ibiza tdi 130 come with a manual specially for the new shape ibiza, or was it a manual for the older style? Mine came with an old type.
1. How do you turn on the air conditioning?
2. What is the "econ" button for?
Thanks in advance!
Yep, a Mk4 manual.
The air con is on when the climate is set to Auto. Econ is the same but the compressor doesn't come on, so you can only go as cool as ambient air. I've tested extensively and leaving it on Auto when the weather is cold doesn't use any noticeable amount more fuel than Econ (different in the summer though I'd guess).
tony4563
16-03-2003, 20:29
Thanks for your reply. I'll chase up a new manual. I've set the temp to LOW,which blows cool air, but when I click AUTO, it automatically jumps back to 22 degrees. Is it supposed to show LOW and AUTO at the same time?
I think Low may set the output to face level.
Whatever, Auto maintains the temperature on the display whereas Low just goes as cold as it can (hence not auto). Pressing Auto on mine puts it back to 22 also (as does Econ IIRC). I guess it can't be Low and Auto so it has to pick a temperature and 22 is what they chose.
tony4563
16-03-2003, 20:48
Can I ask you what settings you use to enable the aircon? I could tell when It came on in my old Ibiza Chill because the engine sound used to increase or decrease slightly (can't remember which}when it kicked in. Plus it also had an AC switch. Can't detect it now. Sorry to be a pain, but it's really bugging me!
Hi
The "aircon" or at least the cooler is always on if the unit is switched on. The only way to switch the compressor off, is to push the ECON switch. Auto controls not only the fan speed but the actual distribution of the air. If you want to manually control which vents the air comes out of, push the individual vent buttons on the unit and set the fan speed yourself. The temp is controlled by the right hand knob.
One of the better units that I've comes across and reasonably effective.
:)
Taken from the manual (much abrieviated)
Left hand rotary control - speed dialing of the fan
right hand rotary control -Temperature selection. (can be adjusted between 18c and 29c )
Auto Button
When pressed will automatically adjust temp and distribution of airflow. Activating any other control that does not select the temperature or re-circ the air will de-activate the auto function.
The windscreen button
pressing this activates max airflow directed soley at the screen in order to clear it as quickly as possible
Feet, balls and face buttons ( Thats where the arrows point to :D )
select distribution of the airflow manually. it will de-activate the auto function and you will need to select a fan speed
if its cold outside the compressor won't come on
The foul air will be evacuated to the exterior through the luggage boot zone. Therefore, it is advisable not to block the flow of air from the passenger compartment to the backside by putting clothes on the rear tray supports.
Turn on the aircon at least once a month to lube to joints and stop leakages
If you drive with the windows open then put it in econ mode to save fuel.
When the engine needs an extreme effort, the compressor will be disconnected temporarily
The filter cartridge of pollen*/smells will have to be removed regularly as established in the inspection and maintenance plan.
Much has been paraphrased to cut the rubbish out thats in there for idiots that have difficulty with light switches etc but you should get the gist of it.
tony4563
17-03-2003, 00:24
So if its hot outside, I just turn the right hand temp dial to LOW ?
if its hot hit auto and turn it to 20c and it should sort itself out. If that doesn't cool you quick enough then turn up the fan and select the direction in which you want the air to go. Then when the car is at the right temp hit auto again and it should maintain the right temp.
Hmm, does it only go 18-29?
thats wierd that.. the climate control on my clio does 16-26 and has a minimum and max too...
its also sorta "intelligent" ie:
if you start the car on a cold mornin with it left on auto (all the time) it will only use a really low fan speed until the engine has warmed up a bit.. it only uses the ac compressor when it needs to and when using the defogger and recirc.
does anyone know how accurate it is in the beeza? if i got a black car, the 18c minimum might be an issue in summer.. (i had the clio on 16 today :cool2: )
I was nicely chilled with it set to 20c today. It routed the air to where it was needed and did a damn fine job. I was impressed. ( its my first car with climate control.)
The Ibiza one is 'intelligent' as well; it will control the fan speed as you describe the Clio does and will direct the air to the face vents when it's cooling and to the footwell when it's warming. It also has a min and max (although they're called Lo and Hi) which run the fan almost full and provide either max hear to cooling. Also the compressor seems to disengage when it isn't in use since it doesn't affect either economy nor idle speed when you switch between auto and econ.
The temp setting isn't very accurate - if you have, say, 20 degrees on the screen with auto set, then switch it to econ, you have to increase the temp setting (in my car at least) to 22 or 22.5 to keep the same temperature in the car.
tony4563
18-03-2003, 09:23
I always thought that if you set your temp to 20 degrees and pressed AUTO...the system would compensate to try to keep that 20 degree temperature in the interior of the car. It does in mine. Am I wrong in thinking thats what climatic control is?
Originally posted by tony4563
I always thought that if you set your temp to 20 degrees and pressed AUTO...the system would compensate to try to keep that 20 degree temperature in the interior of the car. It does in mine. Am I wrong in thinking thats what climatic control is?
It works that way in my car as well. I don't have the econ button though, so I figure it might be an older climatronic version.
To be honest I think the VAG AC system normal or automatic works extremely well. I've had quite a few problems with the opels & alfas I've had when it comes to AC. They just don't cut it in the hot Portugues summers. The VAG ACs work extremely well in keeping the car cool (even at 40ºC coming in from Spain).
Originally posted by tony4563
I always thought that if you set your temp to 20 degrees and pressed AUTO...the system would compensate to try to keep that 20 degree temperature in the interior of the car. It does in mine. Am I wrong in thinking thats what climatic control is?
Not been any where warm in my TDi yet but that's my understanding. You tell the climate what temp you want and it should keep it there.
Certainly how it worked in my 206 GTI. If you left it parked in the sun all day, jump in, whack the temp down to 17 and it would crank up the fans to full tilt pushing out ice cold air. When it reached 17 in the car, the fans would be turned down to maintain the temp.
Yep that the way it works. Trust the Auto setting it knows what its doing.
Originally posted by tony4563
I always thought that if you set your temp to 20 degrees and pressed AUTO...the system would compensate to try to keep that 20 degree temperature in the interior of the car. It does in mine. Am I wrong in thinking thats what climatic control is?
Yes, as Simon says that's what it does - I'm not sure if something was said above that made it sound like it was different or not.
What I do know though is that it uses the outside temp reading to help in the calculation of the air temperature it feeds out (when Dormouse's outside temp sender broke his climate went mad) rather than just measure the temperature in the cabin (which it does as well, throught the vents above the rear view mirror, I believe).
From experience I'd say the temperature you set isn't very accurate because I find that I need to adjust it to maintain a comfortable temperature if the outside temperature varies between perhaps freezing and 8 degrees. I also have to adjust it to get the same cabin temperature if I turn Auto off.
All in it's pretty good though if not actually any better than my Alfa 164 and 944 Turbo (both of which are 12 years old).
tony4563
19-03-2003, 18:35
Thanks for all your replies. Due to the warmer weather we've had, i've been checking the air con out. In my tdi 130, it seems that to blow cool air that has been through the cooling compressor, you simply turn the dial to LOW. If you then press the ECO button, the compressor turns off and the air blown is still cool, but that slight "chill" you get disappears.Switch the ECO off and it gets cooler again. If I set 20 degrees and AUTO, I get.....hey, 20 degrees. What I have noticed though, is that the engine ticking over speed, doesn't drop or raise slightly when you engage air con.It did on my old Ibiza Chill.
I haven't seen outside air above 10 degrees yet this year. Obviously it doesn't have to cool 10 degree air to get 20 degrees inside. Lo will try to cool the outside air no matter how cold it already is. When it's 23 outside and you want 19, the compressor will be on.