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LEO LION R
17-03-2003, 13:00
If i get my R upgraded by Revo, and then sell it on a year later, can it then be simply removed from it and an upgrade given to my next car for a nominal charge, or is my money all gone ?
What i am getting is at is, are we buying a licensed piece of software, or paying for the upgrade only.
If you were to buy a tuning box and plug it in, you can then sell the car and plug it into your new car (if it is the same model) or at worst able to sell it on seperately to someone with that car.
Can i buy a Golf GT TDi next year and have it Revo'd for the nominal cost of time in removing the software from the R and the nominal time of installing a different piece of software on the Golf ?
:cheers:
slim_boy_fat
17-03-2003, 13:11
I was thinking the same thing!
What is it i actually own?
I was interested in that as well.
Can i buy a Golf GT TDi next year and have it Revo'd for the nominal cost of time in removing the software from the R and the nominal time of installing a different piece of software on the Golf ?
Would have thought that going from a petrol prog to a diesel prog is expecting a bit much as its different code. But taking an R program to another R wouldn't be unreasonable in my opinion.
Depends on how Revo view the situation.
I wouldn't be totally gutted if they wouldn't/couldn't transfer the code from my diesel to my next diesel but it would be nice to think I bought a single user license for the software rather than a single car license.
As Rage mentions if your going from a Petrol to a diesel I would guess not.
ibizacupra
17-03-2003, 15:44
aside from add on tuning boxes etc, do you know anyone who does this?
I don't.
Putting it another way........ What would you be prepared to pay..? Just curious.
Bill
LEO LION R
17-03-2003, 15:44
Why not ?, it's not any different than going from a petrol to a petrol .
I think we need a revo rep to sort it out. Seems like we are speculating too much.
:cheers:
Originally posted by LEO LION R
I think we need a revo rep to sort it out. Seems like we are speculating too much.
like bill... ;)
LEO LION R
17-03-2003, 15:56
Yes but bill just happened to post about 10 seconds before me:D
Putting it another way........ What would you be prepared to pay..? Just curious.
I'd pay £50 for transfer of software from a current car to a new car, seems reasonable for the time involved. 2 visits, one to remove it and the next day to install it, so less than half an hours labour.
If as i suggest it was an entirely different car/engine then maybe pay a software transfer fee of £100 ( essentially you paid full whack for 1st purchase, and giving you back the license for someone else to use on their car, ie you don't have to pay Revo for another license )
So that is £150 for transfer from petrol to diesel or different engine model, does that sound feasible ?
Also can you confirm that it single user license for the software as opposed to a single car license.
:cheers:
Originally posted by LEO LION R
Why not ?, it's not any different than going from a petrol to a petrol .
:cheers:
Don't know but wouldn't it be like buying windows then wanting Unix?:confused:
LEO LION R
17-03-2003, 17:14
Okay so you buy an exhaust for £300 and dont like the sound of it, and sell it on for £250 a week later.
So i pay my £760 for the upgrade but what is it actually that i now own ? because when you buy something it usually means you can sell it on again, albeit at a loss - what is it that i am able to sell on - what do i write on the advert that is for sale ?
:cheers:
But going from petrol to diesel is different code.
You can't expect Revo to give away code for a different type of car just cos you were a customer once.
Between similar engine models though it might be a different story. Perhaps a limited number of transfers before you had to fork out full whack again i.e you can transfer it across 2 vehicles before you need to pay the full amount or a timed system whereby for the first 5 years of Revo ownership you can transfer across all the vehicles you own provided they require the same software.
These are just ideas off the top of my head and I'm sure there are many better ways it could be done.
aside from add on tuning boxes etc, do you know anyone who does this?
Nope but then nobody else does serial programming on petrol cars either. Also you could remove/swap ECUs with the car you're buying assuming its of the same type.
ibizacupra
17-03-2003, 19:42
:laff:
Can............ worms..............everywhere :)
REVOlutionary in many ways...
started as a tuning upgrade for cars as an evolution from "chipping" conventionally.. and now moved into "Software" with "user licenses"
:)
I wonder if any of the REVO guys dreamed this would evolved like this? :D
Guys. I can't answer for REVO as I am a mere Distributor.. The question you pose is valid though, but I am not too sure of its outcome.
regards
Bill
If you base it on computer software for example, we own Adobe Photoshop, and several other programs for work, we bought Photoshop several years ago for around £500, as version 4.
This licence to our company was non transferable, we cant sell the software on, but the licence buys us support, and upgrades at preferential costs, so each successive upgrade to Photshop has cost us around £90 each time, rather than paying £500 again and again.
I know its a loose example but you get the idea, not that i speak for REVO, but the way i would see it is though you pay for the software and your serial port device, you do not own the intellectual rights to the software, and as a result your effectively buying a licence to use the software on your car.
A transfer fee maybe a good idea if you want to take it with you to a new compatible car, technically, though there is no way to police it, you shouldn't transfer it when you sell the car, the new owner would technically not own the licence you would. So they couldn't be subject to software upgrades, or service support.
Its certainly a valid question, needs one of the REVO chaps to consider that question.
Interesting can of worms though :)
To keep this all in the "software" ballpark...is it reasonable for them to charge you for a mayor software upgrade? (e.g. 1.0 to 2.0 or K03 to k04?).
I know it stated somewhere the upgrades were/are FOC but I would find it reasonable to pay for additions to the current software (not bugfixes ofcourse).
You'd also have to wonder how realistic such a scheme is. If you are to buy a new car then most of the time it will be a much newer model (with a different engine) or switching from petrol to diesel for economic reasons. In this case you would have to split the development costs into those for the technique of serial port programming and those of engineering a remap. Basically you'd be asking for a discount and only pay for the remap (of the new engine) as you've already paid for the other part.
Just adding some more fuel to an interesting debate... ;)
Shock_Xe
17-03-2003, 22:40
However i think its fair to ask that your software be transfered from car to car with engine to engine capabilities. I.E. same car swap or Seat Ibiza Cupra - Golf GTI, as they both have same engine, similar bhp to start and same 1.25 bar configuration. Obviously at a fee. However if u are going from a beeza cupra to a Leon R its not fair to ask for a transplant as they are completly different software set-ups!
slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 07:31
Well, as for buy software for a computer, then yes you do own it if you buy the software ans not the licence to operate it, aka most buisness users. But if you go into computer world and buy Office 2000 (eg) then a year later you are perfectly intitled to sell it on. Simple as that...
Not only that but if you bought a new highr spec computer you could take it off the old one and put it on the new one....get it!
Its really a matter of how Revo want to treat there existing customers. If you have already paid the full wack, and boy is it alot of money, then there ef should be a BIG discount on the next purchase. Either from removing from old car and uploading onto new or buy just giving good discount on new car!!
Its called not taking the piss out of you customers more than once by charging £650+ for software upgrades!
ibizacupra
18-03-2003, 08:03
Should this not be compared to other chip tuners.... ie those who have to actually fit & program chips, and not software.
A chip is software after all... (contained in it)
REVO is just cleaver in that it does'nt need to touch physical ECU's etc..
Interesting debate.
Bill
slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 08:14
Indeed, is a fair debate and one that i hope Revo will take its time and respond to.
Revo have a premium produce, atlest thats the way it comes across, as such people expect a premium customer orientated service. They are in buisness to make money, and that is absolutly fair enough. Wouldnt expect anything else. But as with everything there is a balance between what you charge and the value of your product. There are only so many people oout there willng to bend over and take it up the @ss to the tune of £500+vat + extras!! No matter how much i want the product, after all it is very good on denying that.
LEO LION R
18-03-2003, 08:31
Currently there is no formal answer, but i imagine the number of people that change their cars often is quite high, and so it has either happened already or will very soon.
However i think its fair to ask that your software be transfered from car to car with engine to engine capabilities. I.E. same car swap or Seat Ibiza Cupra - Golf GTI, as they both have same engine, similar bhp to start and same 1.25 bar configuration. Obviously at a fee. However if u are going from a beeza cupra to a Leon R its not fair to ask for a transplant as they are completly different software set-ups!
Yes but if you have the original software removed and handed back, then that license can be sold on to another 'same car ' customer at a reduced cost or full cost, and you then get the new program 'different model' upgrade for a nominal charge. Okay maybe its not free for a different car, but it should be discounted.
I'm sure they'll have it all sussed out already, and will be structuring a basic upgrade price list for the website as we speak.
:cheers:
This certainly is an interesting debate.
Nope but then nobody else does serial programming on petrol cars either. Also you could remove/swap ECUs with the car you're buying assuming its of the same type.
EcuTek offer off the shelf and custom ECU maps for Imprezas via the diagnostic port. See here (http://www.ecutek.co.uk/products/tekecus/).
I can see both sides of the matter. If I'm going to invest a fair sum of cash (£500+) in a re-map, I'd like the ability to 'preserve' my investment should I sell the car at a later date. That could be selling the ECU to somebody with a none Revo car.
For instance, I know people have sold Impreza ECUs that have had standard or custom Ecutek maps put on them. Can you swap ECUs between cars on Seats with minimal fuss? You can on a Scoob. The deals I know have generally been a cash + standard ECU in swap.
I agree with Slim_boy_fat. If you buy a new quicker PC, you don't have to buy all new licenses for the same pieces of software.
Chris.
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
Well, as for buy software for a computer, then yes you do own it if you buy the software ans not the licence to operate it, aka most buisness users. But if you go into computer world and buy Office 2000 (eg) then a year later you are perfectly intitled to sell it on. Simple as that...
Not only that but if you bought a new highr spec computer you could take it off the old one and put it on the new one....get it!
Its really a matter of how Revo want to treat there existing customers. If you have already paid the full wack, and boy is it alot of money, then there ef should be a BIG discount on the next purchase. Either from removing from old car and uploading onto new or buy just giving good discount on new car!!
Its called not taking the piss out of you customers more than once by charging £650+ for software upgrades!
When you buy computer software, your buying a licence, not the software. Read the Terms and conditions, you know the bit everyone just says yes to, so they can get to install it.
Your licenced to use it, you can stick it on whatever computer you please, but its still a licence, which is individual to the owner. So yes you can transfer it to a new computer you own, but whether that means you can sell it on is a different matter entirely.
Not all but most major software is non transferable, unless you state to the manufacturer you have sold the licence to joe bloggs and they now own the licence, and from a legal stand point still not sure how this works, how can you decide what the licence is worth when you sell it on? You don't own the proprty rights.
Read the black and white its there for a reason.
If its not the licence you buy why do big companies, like the publishing company i used to work for have to purchase 50 user licences for software, so they can run identical software on lots of machines. Surely if we owned the software we could do with it what we liked.
Mirror group got fined several years ago, as they had multiple machines running one licence, and the Federation Against Software Theft had them over a barrel.
slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 09:36
Your talking about a completly diff thing, comercial software require a licence for each machine but only 1 programe that can be up loadd to each machin, but if you buy software...i.e. go into a shop pay £300 for a box that has software in it you can sell it on a second hand..Its that simple. Yes you can no longer use the software after you sell it because you no longer have a licence but you can sell the licence and the disk and the booklet..i.e. sell the software. Easy really no different from buying a set of alloy wheels then selling them.....
slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 09:38
You will also find that why there is actually quite a big market in selling second hand software, and its a good place to buy if you dont want to use pirate software (quite right too)
And its all perfactly legal and above board!!
Though that maybe the case, i doubt very much you'd be entitled to technical support or software upgrades.
As the product serial number will be in the orignal registrars name.
You wouldn't for instance be able to buy a 3 year old copy of Photoshop from the jumble sale, for say £50 and then expect Adobe to honor you a cheap licence upgrade to version 7 would you?
Without wanting to get too far OT, I've just pulled the original license EULAs from:
Windows NT Server v4 TSE:
"Transfer to a 3rd Party: The initial user of the software product may make a one-time permanent transfer of this EULA and software product only directly to an end user". Then goes onto say you have to include all CDs, manuals and the kitchen sink. It does say you cannot then transfer the license again.
Veritas Backup Exec v8.0:
It says you own a license to use the software, not an actual copy. You can transfer the license on a permanent basis if you retain no copies.
So i guess in a round about kind of way, you can, but, by transferring the licence does that mean the new owner of the licence has the support and upgrade rights?
Or is that it you can just give them the software, manuals, kitchen sink as you say, and then thats it they have no upgrade rights or tech support, which you originally paid for.
slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 09:59
You have all the right as someone who bought the software new, why shouldnt you!! I have purchased alot of software this way. There are tuns of sites for second hand software. All lijit<slang>!!
Anyway forget computer software. Its Revo that the thread is about
Zboyd do you get a back hander from them of something to try and change the subject...lolss
LEO LION R
18-03-2003, 10:05
ibizacupra is currently selling a old chipped Ibiza 20VT ECU as was part of his "210" package.
I also want to be able to sell on this expensive upgrade in the future - so what is it i am entitled to sell on ?
:cheers:
Thought i was asking a valid question? Obviously not.
Im not changing the subject, using it as an example, as there is as yet no precedence of this applying to the tuning market, so as i stated earlier, just using it as a loose example.
Wasn't aware i had to ask your permission to discuss something on these forums, incidently the forum i help to run.
As Bill says, as all chip tuning companies effectively deal in software, then the rule should apply to all should it not, just because one company does it differently without using physical ROM replacement, why should it be any different?
Ive no complaint that the software is legit as you say, all im saying should you be entitled to full support after purchasing somebody else's licence they would of paid a lot more for?
If your transferring your licence to another car, which you intend to use then yes i believe you should still be entitled to the support, but also think its fair to pay a small transferrence fee.
But if you sell it on, i don't believe the new owner should be entitled to free support.
This is all conjecture, i dont speak for REVO and i dont make policy for them, im simply discussing my ideas with people on here.
your ECU Leo, exactly as bill is doing
i would imagine most "chip" upgrades dont allow you to sell it on afterwards, thats the way it is, dont like it dont buy it i think would be the answer.
:cheers:
slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 10:53
Originally posted by ZBOYD
Thought i was asking a valid question? Obviously not.
Wasn't aware i had to ask your permission to discuss something on these forums, incidently the forum i help to run.
As Bill says, as all chip tuning companies effectively deal in software, then the rule should apply to all should it not, just because one company does it differently without using physical ROM replacement, why should it be any different?
Ive no complaint that the software is legit as you say, all im saying should you be entitled to full support after purchasing somebody else's licence they would of paid a lot more for?
If your transferring your licence to another car, which you intend to use then yes i believe you should still be entitled to the support, but also think its fair to pay a small transferrence fee.
But if you sell it on, i don't believe the new owner should be entitled to free support.
This is all conjecture, i dont speak for REVO and i dont make policy for them, im simply discussing my ideas with people on here.
Dont you go on a cream puff now!! I want to hear what you and everyone else has to say, absolutly (i am not toonman)!
Anyway yes the small changeover fee is absolutly resonable.
With secondhand software the full price has already been paid, so what diff does it make if Mr A or Mr B gets the support, as long as the support is for 1 program.
With chip companies you have the chip to sell on dont you!!
And Yes you were asking a vaild question at no point did i think you werent.
As you say at the end of the Day what counts is what Revo sayon the matter, but its nice to debate and show them (Revo) that we have something to say about there produce i am sure they will welcome the input. Not many companise get such easy access to a wealth of customer views.
Remember Zboyd, "Always hold your light saber the right way round when you switch it on!!!"
There's only 1 slim....Thankfully i hear you say!!
LEO LION R
18-03-2003, 11:14
your ECU Leo, exactly as bill is doing
If i sell the ECU seperately then the car i am selling wont have an ECU in it !:confused:
We are talking software here, how am i able to sell it on to another person - regardless of the debate on updates and technical support.
But on technical support, if i sell my car the new owner gets the warranty and breaksown cover that i got when i bought it new, so if i were the new buyer i'd expect to be able to say the same for a chip upgrade, whether it be software or physical ECU for at least the remainder of the period as the original owner was given.
"Zboyd do you get a back hander from them of something to try and change the subject...lolss " I think that was meant as a joke, nothing more, nothing less.
:cheers:
As Bill says, as all chip tuning companies effectively deal in software, then the rule should apply to all should it not, just because one company does it differently without using physical ROM replacement, why should it be any different?
I think the big difference is with Revo it is fairly easy to transfer the software to a different car. However, it would be nice to see the Revo boys jump in and let their opinion know. Who'd ever think we would be discussing licensing issues on this forum? Most certainly not me!
Do REVO not read these threads anymore?:confused:
Their input would surely stop this argument amongst members:hug:
LEO LION R
18-03-2003, 11:26
argument friendly debate surely ;)
Yes a Revo input would be most helpful, maybe business is too good to allow any time on here now :confused:
:cheers:
Originally posted by LEO LION R
argument friendly debate surely ;)
Yes a Revo input would be most helpful, maybe business is too good to allow any time on here now :confused:
:cheers:
And too busy to finish the website:mad: Where's the bloody dynoplots guys?:confused:
slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 11:50
They must be too bust spending all the money they make!!;)
I saw Revo Richard on the Holiday program in Barbados!! (yes yet another witty report):p
slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 11:52
What happens if your ECU goes AWOL and Seat replace it under warranty..Will Revo upload the software back on for Free!!
Mmmmm questions questions..
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
What happens if your ECU goes AWOL and Seat replace it under warranty..Will Revo upload the software back on for Free!!
Mmmmm questions questions..
Answers?:confused: Answers?:confused:
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
What happens if your ECU goes AWOL and Seat replace it under warranty..Will Revo upload the software back on for Free!!
Mmmmm questions questions..
yeah, like "i didn't sell it to my mate & swap it for his std ecu"
bugger, and they did it again next week as well just after it'd been uploaded.
welcome to Revo Technik, Charity number 3763823493498394
LEO LION R
18-03-2003, 12:05
Presumably if replaced under warranty you can get a printout from the dealer stating what they have done ?
What's the point in having a REVO Technik Tuning topic with no Revo input ?
:cheers:
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
Dont you go on a cream puff now!! I want to hear what you and everyone else has to say, absolutly (i am not toonman)!
Anyway yes the small changeover fee is absolutly resonable.
With secondhand software the full price has already been paid, so what diff does it make if Mr A or Mr B gets the support, as long as the support is for 1 program.
With chip companies you have the chip to sell on dont you!!
And Yes you were asking a vaild question at no point did i think you werent.
As you say at the end of the Day what counts is what Revo sayon the matter, but its nice to debate and show them (Revo) that we have something to say about there produce i am sure they will welcome the input. Not many companise get such easy access to a wealth of customer views.
Remember Zboyd, "Always hold your light saber the right way round when you switch it on!!!"
There's only 1 slim....Thankfully i hear you say!!
Leo may think its a joke, whether it is or not Slim, state your facts and your issues but dont resort to patronising people, its the fastest way of becoming very unpopular.
Indeed i agree Slim, it is what REVO's say on the matter is, and one of the reasons why we gave them the space on the forum, is they do interact with people on here. But they are also running a business, and don't live in here like us lot do ;)
Im sure once they get a spare moment someone will post something to put your mind to rest.
The question about losing your ECU is simple, i would see no problem at all, if your ECU is damaged or removed, as long as you paid REVO to start with im sure they would replace the software for you. Can't see any reason why not, thats common sense.
Going back to licence, thats one hell of a loophole then, maybe everyone should buy used software, at a quarter of the price and get free or reduced cost updates?
Wonder how long software companies would remain in business :)
:cheers:
LEO LION R
18-03-2003, 12:23
Can't see how they would lose out in money, as it would take someone to originally buy it at full price - the following (2nd hand) purchase is nothing to do with them and means the upgrade can have be by either the original or 2nd hand purchaser - This means the company still gets paid for the original item and subsequent upgrade from one of the owners, they don't lose out
:confused:
:cheers:
Maybe thats so, im just surprised that a loophole like that exists.
Revo Kev
18-03-2003, 12:36
To clarify, you buy software from us for your car and this is put onto your ECU. There is no way for you to take off the Revo software and have it in physical form for you to sell on, unless you were to sell a Revo coded ECU. Bill is selling his ECU with chip as it is spare, if you were in the same situation there's nothing to stop you selling on a Revo coded ECU.
If for some reason your ECU was replaced for warranty issues then as long as we are made aware of the reasons I see no problem with us re-flashing your car as this ECU replacement would be unforseen, however it is your choice entirely if you are to sell your car.
What's the point in having a REVO Technik Tuning topic with no Revo input ?
I can only apologise for not responding to this sooner, as Mark says we aren't on the forums 24/7.
LEO LION R
18-03-2003, 12:39
yeah i know it was a cheap shot, but we were getting desperate for some input.
So what is it's 'value' as a second hand sale, and what is Revo's position on upgrades for different cars or same newer cars for that matter ?
:cheers:
P.S. The thread has grown quickly, and there are a lot of valid questions that i think need to be responded to, is it possible that they can all be answered as one post to save repeating or splitting things up ?
Originally posted by LEO LION R
Can't see how they would lose out in money, as it would take someone to originally buy it at full price - the following (2nd hand) purchase is nothing to do with them and means the upgrade can have be by either the original or 2nd hand purchaser - This means the company still gets paid for the original item and subsequent upgrade from one of the owners, they don't lose out
:confused:
:cheers:
That's rubbish (in the nicest poss way). Ppl who buy second hand have not bought from a manufacturer/producer. Eg there are probably enough cars or houses on the market for people to buy. If everybody bought second hand there would be no 'new' market.
A similar argument was used in Napster trials and we know what happened there.
Revo Kev
18-03-2003, 12:51
As it becomes part of your ECU then 2nd hand value is whatever the likely customer is willing to pay for a Revo coded ECU over a standard one, or the extra for a Revo coded car over a standard one. It cannot be sold on separately.
As for upgrades if we revise an existing program then we will offer free upgrades. If you buy a new car and you want Revo software on it then you would have to buy Revo software for it, you cannot upgrade your existing software as it is for a different car, therefore different software.
LEO LION R
18-03-2003, 13:00
So even if i buy a new Cupra R next year, i will have to purchase a new bit of software (another £760) and sell my R at the value someone is willing to pay for it (an unknown factor).
Can i not have it removed and reistalled on the new car ?
:cheers:
Or would you have to swap ECUs without the dealer noticing (stealthily):D
A kind of look....
whats that over there...
Whip out the screwdrivers and switch them over before your dealer looks back round again.
So to clarify the license issue its a single ECU license. Not a single car or single user license.
To Revo: It might not be a bad idea to draft an official license agreement that is issued to the customer at time of purchase to prevent questions of this nature in the future.
slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 13:12
Originally posted by ZBOYD
Leo may think its a joke, whether it is or not Slim, state your facts and your issues but dont resort to patronising people, its the fastest way of becoming very unpopular.
Going back to licence, thats one hell of a loophole then, maybe everyone should buy used software, at a quarter of the price and get free or reduced cost updates?
Wonder how long software companies would remain in business :)
:cheers:
There was no patronisation or condisention anywhere in what i said, re read it when you have a spare moment and have calmed down. A nice simple debate with some humour thrown in. I hope and would welcome comment for anyone else who has been following the thread.
The fastest way to becoming unpopular is say people said things they havn't.
For someone to buy second hand software you have to have someone purchase it new in the first place QED...
Cheer up its only 3.5 working days till the weekend.;)
p.s. thanks for the input Revo, glad to see if you get a new CPU (and can prove it!!!!!) you would honer the upgrade...
So if i sell the car i would hope to maybe get an extra couple of hundred for the upgrade....
Sell the SPS-1 to him...
Haste ye back.
Any comments about my writing style please feel free to put into an open thread.
Revo Kev
18-03-2003, 13:20
Your SPS will work with all the software it isn't necessary to purchase a new one unless you choose to sell the one you've got. So it would just be the cost of the software.
You buy the sofware and that entitles you to any upgrades we release for that code throughout the cars lifetime. If you buy a newer version of the same car (ie: a different car) and you don't want to buy new software then you would have to swap the ECU's over.
If a car is bought 2nd hand with Revo code on it then you're eligable for the upgrades, however you cannot take the code with you to the next car.
Within models you can have different ECU numbers for instance Ibiza's can be found with 'AA' and 'AB' boxes, Leon's can be found with 'HN', 'DE', etc. Each different ECU has a specific Revo code so it's not just as simple as 'this is Leon software so it'll go on any Leon'.
If REVO do issue a licencing agreement, can they word it in 'thick West Cumbrian bas**rd' terms.
I'm totally lost with all this licencing speak:confused: Who's REVO again?
I re-read it, it didnt change the perspective, its the little comments im refering to. I qoute
"Zboyd do you get a back hander from them of something to try and change the subject...lolss"
"Dont you go on a cream puff now!!"
"Remember Zboyd, "Always hold your light saber the right way round when you switch it on!!!"
It maybe a joke, to be honest im thicker skinned, your comments don't bother me in the slightest, but im letting you know all the same, that it is patronising.
Anyway issue resolved, fair play and all that.
:cheers:
Originally posted by Revo Kev
Leon's can be found with 'HN', 'DE', etc. Each different ECU has a specific Revo code so it's not just as simple as 'this is Leon software so it'll go on any Leon'.
Unless its a T box which was written for top secret squirrel Leons we think ;)
slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 13:36
Originally posted by ZBOYD
I re-read it, it didnt change the perspective, its the little comments im refering to. I qoute
"Zboyd do you get a back hander from them of something to try and change the subject...lolss"
"Dont you go on a cream puff now!!"
"Remember Zboyd, "Always hold your light saber the right way round when you switch it on!!!"
It maybe a joke, to be honest im thicker skinned, your comments don't bother me in the slightest, but im letting you know all the same, that it is patronising.
Anyway issue resolved, fair play and all that.
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Fair enough, i appologise if you thought they were patronising, we must be stradeling a cultural divide becasue anyone from North of Carlyle would find them funny.
The comments werent ment to "bother you" they were ment to make you laugh.
Sorry, i will de activate my emmotion chip now...
Ah feck it, thats the only thing that gets me through my working day!!!!!!!!!
Hey Leo, can I have a bit of your cake mate? :)
Oh....you've eaten it :(
Note:- ;)
In another context they may make me laugh, but not in the middle of a discussion of interest, just looks like your taking the piss to be honest, if thats the cutural divide, and i know it isnt, but if it was, i wouldn't take any conversation with a Scotsman seriously again.
Got no problem with emothion mate, im as passionate as they come, but sometimes there is a time and a place, and to me looks like your just riddiculing someones point of view, when its slap bang in the middle of a discussion like that.
Anyway, no grudge here.
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slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 13:53
Sorry but thats how i have a conversation, and many others. I suppos we have to acceptit as it was intended. i.e. i said it was a joke... You either accept that or not thats up to you. If you cant then i am afraid thats your problem not mine and i will continue to make my post humerous. (for me atleast)
Serious is the conflict in Iraq...Seatcupra.net i am afraid is not..
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Seeing as he has nothing else to do at the moment Kofi Annan will be the guest referee.
"Touch gloves and let's have a clean fight" said Kofi
:cheers:
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"Touch gloves and let's have a clean fight" said Kofi
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slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 14:13
Originally posted by MARRA
And so another thread draws to a close.
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Seeing as he has nothing else to do at the moment Kofi Annan will be the guest referee.
"Touch gloves and let's have a clean fight" said Kofi
:cheers:
lolss
Yawn :rolleyes:
Some people use the forum to gain info, we have set aside sections to have a laugh in, so it doesn't distract from the info.
But that wasn't having a laugh it was taking the piss out of another user for your own warped amusement.
but fine act like an idiot, why would anyone take anyting you say seriously, your probably just fooling around anyway i guess.
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LEO LION R
18-03-2003, 14:42
Did someone mention cake :redface:
Begining to think i shouldn't have even bothered asking the question in the first place.
Revo : So i don't suppose there's any chance of a discount for us in Scotland ?
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Revo Kev
18-03-2003, 14:42
Unless its a T box which was written for top secret squirrel Leons we think
Somehow I knew I'd have a response if I left out the 'T' box;) ...
...and so speaks the Daddy!
Originally posted by LEO LION R
Did someone mention cake :redface:
Begining to think i shouldn't have even bothered asking the question in the first place.
Revo : So i don't suppose there's any chance of a discount for us in Scotland ?
:cheers:
Yeh, im considering why i even bothered replying to it in the first place. :confused:
I thought the info. gathering part of the thread had finished as REVO had given a fair response.
As for taking the piss out of other members, if my comment was aimed at anyone it was probably Slim Boy and he didn't take offence. If I thought it would be taken as such I wouldn't have written it.
If anyone else thinks that I'm only using the forum as a stage for my dodgy Cumbrian humour then I apologise.
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slim_boy_fat
18-03-2003, 15:17
Sorry Marra i did take offence, i am seeking counciling tomorrow. The samaretins said i was a stupid jock and hung up, so i am talking to you from the top of a high building right now aiming straignt at Leos R.....
Were do you want me Leo in the bonnet or the Roof......:D
Wasn't referring to any of your comments MARRA
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As this is now proceeding way off of subject, i'll close it.