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Anyone know if i need a tool to wind back the pistons on the leon?
Or is it a straight job.. If I need a tool where to get?
I doubt you need a special tool. Should go back easy as your cars not that old. Just push it back with your hand.
ill do a quick guide tonight, been meaning to do it for ages (dont tell Zboyd) he;s got some piccies too, ur *supposed* to use a caliper wind back tool, its not expensive.
Dont tell me what ??
What that you didnt use the proper tool :D
Well you lot are a bunch of cowboys, Jase had me worried when he said , he couldn't remember if he'd bolted the caliper back together right :p
Yup if you do the guide, only about 6 months late, but if you do, i think i still have the pics :)
If it's anything like other FWD cars I've worked on, just unscrew the cap off the brake master cylinder and wrap a rag around the neck to catch any potential overspill. The caliper piston can then be moved back by hand.
buy the tool, for £18 or so it was well worth it.
you might struggle to push it in by hand [in my experiences] and it would piss you off big time if you had to reassemble, drive to halfords & then start over again.
Mark
Well I've seen the front brake piston pushed back with a gigantic set of pliers!:eek:
I think you only need the tool for the rear brakes as it's got the thingy (tech term:D ) for the rear parking brake.
Well i'm game for a laugh - got some pagid fast road pads arriving 2morrow - going for this as my brake solution as it's cheapest and probably most effective :) Thanks for the advice chaps!
for gods sake don't use pliers
it can't push the piston back squarely.
learn from my experiences & buy the tools before you damage something that makes a small job (like a pad swap) into a pain in the ass job (like a calliper rebuild at 10pm at night in the pitch black...)
Mark
buy the tool, for £18 or so it was well worth it.
Will it also do the rear pistons? Remember spending an hour winding back one rear piston on the gf's F*cus using a pair of long nose pilers, brute strength and sheer persistance. The language used at the time was enough to make a sailor blush - ******* *******, wind back you ******* ****! You *****-******* piece of ****! I'm gonna punch the ******* **** outta you now. Don't make me ******* come back there. And so on :redface: .
I'll get the tool next time...
Originally posted by Pugster
I doubt you need a special tool. Should go back easy as your cars not that old. Just push it back with your hand.
Bare hands might be mighty tricky. I used a very thick screw driver flat across the face of the piston and that was hard work.
Getgaff no what you mean about the rears. Did the same on my Ibiza. Even rang my SEAT garage to find out that I needed a tool which I didn't have :redface: This was january last year so it was freezing!
ibizacupra
02-04-2003, 13:32
First check the fluid resevoir is'nt too full as when you push back the pistons the level will rise.
Front pads is easy... before removing calipers, just ease in a screwdriver blade and ease the blade between the pad and disk.... gentle pressure will see the piston go back fully.
Then undo the bolts, remove replace blah blah blah... pump pedal after wards!!
The rears need a tool to wind them properly. Fronts is easy peasy...
even easier with Brembos :D
Bill
Originally posted by m0rk
for gods sake don't use pliers
it can't push the piston back squarely.
learn from my experiences & buy the tools before you damage something that makes a small job (like a pad swap) into a pain in the ass job (like a calliper rebuild at 10pm at night in the pitch black...)
Mark
Sorry I haven't been sleaping well:hammer: It's usually plier with a metal plate over the piston.
ECS has a pic of the tool on their site.
Originally posted by ibizacupra
even easier with Brembos :D
Shut it... ;) Or make a cheap Leon kit Bill ;) ehehee
It took me minutes to do mine. I removed the caliper bolts and pulled the caliper towards me pushing the piston back. With a new car like yours Tim there isn't much wear so not far to go, a few mm.
ibizacupra
02-04-2003, 14:08
:laff:
ok ok ok...
"IF" I was to look into making a Brembo kit for Leon/Golf IV etc.... what size wheels would people be prepared to run?
Brembo calipers a phat, which is their only downside... Wheel designs and spoke clearance "may" be issues which prevent it being viable (financially)
If the caliper is suitable for a Viper and Clio V6, I think its going to be ample for a Leon/Golf
what do you guys think?
cheers
Bill
Bill - I'd be interested in a Brembo set-up provided,
a. it would fit without spacers etc. under the Cupra4 alloys; and,
b. be available ideally sub-£500, realistically sub-£600.
:cheers:
Icecavern
02-04-2003, 14:15
I'm running 18's... Audi TT.... It's just the clearance to the spokes that might cause probs...
But I be interested... :D
Pete
Originally posted by Getgaff
Bill - I'd be interested in a Brembo set-up provided,
a. it would fit without spacers etc. under the Cupra4 alloys; and,
b. be available ideally sub-£500, realistically sub-£600.
:cheers:
I 2nd Gareth. I was actually looking for something to fit under a 16", but if it's sub-£600 I'd defo drop the requirement.
I'm third-ing that! I'm running 17" Cupra 4 alloys Bill (like gareth). I think 17" is prolly the min, i'm sure we could sort out some clearance measurements if any help!
Seriously tho, it's a huge neglected market methinks - most folk are put off by the 1000 quid odd price tag. The 500 ish mark (or less!) would suit me in terms of explaining the 'benefit' to the wife :)
You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon... You must build brembo kits for the Leon...
Not that i'm one to influence others..
:cheers:
Looks very close to the spokes and I don't know if spacers are used.
Originally posted by dangel
Anyone know if i need a tool to wind back the pistons on the leon?
Or is it a straight job.. If I need a tool where to get?
I reckon we will cope without the special tool, I own a nice big pair of ....................... pliers ( well what did you think I was going to say :p and a few screwdrivers, give me a call.
Saud
Chris Eyre
02-04-2003, 23:22
Originally posted by bensaud
I reckon we will cope without the special tool, I own a nice big pair of ....................... pliers ( well what did you think I was going to say :p and a few screwdrivers, give me a call.
Saud
I think this is what you need:
http://www.international-tool.com/display.asp?sku=ITC5559
Regards,
Chris
Originally posted by Getgaff
Looks very close to the spokes and I don't know if spacers are used.
I does look close, but I think it should fit as the OE porsche calipers fits all OE audi/vw wheels.
ibizacupra
03-04-2003, 08:47
Originally posted by Chris Eyre
I think this is what you need:
http://www.international-tool.com/display.asp?sku=ITC5559
Regards,
Chris
Hello Chris...
Welcome :D
regards
Bill
Spacers are needed to fit the Brembos under the Cupra4 alloys:
"Hello,
On the Leon Cupra4 V6 Turbo, were any modifications required to get the Brembo front brakes to fit under the wheels?
Regards,
Gareth Thomas.
Hi There!
With the normal cupra V6 Wheels (7*17" ET38 225/45 R17) we only need shims (I hope it is the right word) to have more distance between Brake and wheel. I think they have about 12mm.
Regards
Christian Müller."
And for the rear caliper piston,
http://www.international-tool.com/display.asp?mode=add&sku=ITC5592
Thanks for that info Chris :)
Can i ask, out of pure ignorance, why spacers are a bad thing?
:confused:
Bill and Paulo are more clued up on this than me, but IMO spacers,
a. put more strain on the wheel bearing;
b. quality spacers cost a small fortune; and,
c. insurers seem to be terrified of them.
Leon Brake Guide will be on main site tonight
:cheers:
Chris Eyre
03-04-2003, 10:57
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Hello Chris...
Welcome :D
regards
Bill
Thanks Bill. Long overdue!
Now, do I try to apply for membership of SNWMAPS or the S-Massive... decisions, decisions!
(Oops, don't own a Seat <Chris takes cover>)
Originally posted by Getgaff
Bill and Paulo are more clued up on this than me, but IMO spacers,
a. put more strain on the wheel bearing;
b. quality spacers cost a small fortune; and,
c. insurers seem to be terrified of them.
Your right Gareth, except I dought that I'm more clued up on this:D . I don't have the insurance problem. I really don't like spacers because you have to used longer wheel bolts. With an added 12mm I might have a problem with the wheels sticking out to much as well.
I haven't faxed rally design yet but will try to this week still. Since a bunch of us are interested it might be easier to make something happen.
Owning a SEAT ranks pretty high... however constant changing of Toe & Camber makes for amusing by standing. however you seem to do it with some degree of effectivness - this is frowned upon.
will have to see you drive whilst aiming to not 3 wheel round 75% of curborough or blyton before the masses pass judgement I imagine.
but that's just what I think. :)
Originally posted by Chris Eyre
Thanks Bill. Long overdue!
Now, do I try to apply for membership of SNWMAPS or the S-Massive... decisions, decisions!
(Oops, don't own a Seat <Chris takes cover>)
Well the pagid's arrived today from Awesome GTI (helpful chaps) so hopefully i'll get them on tonight if bensaud ain't busy :)
Originally posted by Chris Eyre
Thanks Bill. Long overdue!
Now, do I try to apply for membership of SNWMAPS or the S-Massive... decisions, decisions!
(Oops, don't own a Seat <Chris takes cover>)
Hiya Chris
Good to have you aboard. S-massive or SNWMAPS is your call - which do you think you would fit in best with ?
To help in your decision, it would perhaps be useful to know more about the SNWMAPS but I'm afraid we cannot tell you.
The 1st rule of the SNWMAPS is that you dont talk about the SNWMAPS
The second rule of the SNWMAPS, is that YOU NEVER TALK ABOUT THE SNWMAPS !
Ave it
Rob
Originally posted by dangel
Well the pagid's arrived today from Awesome GTI (helpful chaps) so hopefully i'll get them on tonight if bensaud ain't busy :)
Let us know how it works out!
I've used pagids in the lighter beeza with excellent results, hope it's the same on the much heavier toledo (almost 500kg more).
Willdo - ain't heard much against pagid's so am very hopeful it's going to make quite a difference. Will do some heavy braking runs as a test...
ibizacupra
03-04-2003, 13:41
Originally posted by Getgaff
Bill and Paulo are more clued up on this than me, but IMO spacers,
a. put more strain on the wheel bearing;
b. quality spacers cost a small fortune; and,
c. insurers seem to be terrified of them.
Not more strain as to notice.... :p
Buy cheap buy twice perhaps?
You need to get/buy/make hubcentric ones if going 15mm or more.
question: Has anyone who is running 15mm or 20mm spacers had any reported bearing problems?
I would advise converting to studs on wide spacers personally these days.
Bill
ibizacupra
03-04-2003, 13:42
Originally posted by prc
With an added 12mm I might have a problem with the wheels sticking out to much as well.
Not on an Ibiza they don't..
Looks much better IMHO.
Bill
Chris Eyre
03-04-2003, 16:40
Originally posted by RobT
Hiya Chris
Good to have you aboard. S-massive or SNWMAPS is your call - which do you think you would fit in best with ?
To help in your decision, it would perhaps be useful to know more about the SNWMAPS but I'm afraid we cannot tell you.
The 1st rule of the SNWMAPS is that you dont talk about the SNWMAPS
The second rule of the SNWMAPS, is that YOU NEVER TALK ABOUT THE SNWMAPS !
Ave it
Rob
Hi Rob,
I have been doing a bit of research. I caught a few of the SNWMAPS members off guard at a recent :car: 'event.' I can't remember what they looked like * cough * :wave: but they were divulging information (worse that just 'talking!') about SNWMAPS. Maybe they weren't real members :p
It looks like I would best fit in to the SNWMAPS for reasons I cannot mention :D
Chris
You can come and have a chit chat to wit us any time you want. No silly initiation or rules or whatever.:)
Well all fitted last night - in about 20 mins, total doddle really - many thanks to Bensaud for his help :) The old pads were cooked - i.e. glazed which would explain my er.. poor brakes :)
Just going to let them bed in over the next week or so before i test them...
You'll definitely find a pleasant improvement Tim, but they are more dusty than the originals. Small price for good brakes and it washes off easily.
Originally posted by whelme
You'll definitely find a pleasant improvement Tim, but they are more dusty than the originals. Small price for good brakes and it washes off easily.
:cheers: :D :cheers: