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Hi All
Well at last the big day arrived and I collected my new Ibiza Sport from the docks on Tuesday :D. Now the obvious next question is to Revo or not to Revo ( I know that I maybe should have posted this in the Revo forum but I wanted some input from TDI drivers. While I love the idea of 180 bhp and as a work colleague of mine is getting a Civic Type R next week so I would like to a least remain in his rear view mirror for a bit.
However (and there is always an however) I am thinking of keeping the car for a few years so I was wondering about the long term effect of the upgrade on the engine, turbo and the like?? Oh and how badly is the MPG effected.
But so far I LOVE the car.
Thanks :cheers:
Peter
slim_boy_fat
24-04-2003, 11:34
Know what you mean, i am in the same boat right now. The standard car is nice and brisk, almost quick but you always want more....
Eveything you ask is very driver dependant, use the performance all the time and you will get poor mpg...Same for blasting it from cold and engine wear. You will have to assume greater tyre and brake pad wear, and maybe a clutch abit sooner (but thats also very driver dependant)
These engings have been on the go for 10years now. ANd they are pretty much bulit proof. i have a 150,000mile golf tdi that is still going strong.
I am waiting to see what the outcome of the APR Revo thing/court case and make my decision then..But either way it will be getting upgraded, and i will prob keep the car for atleast 5 years and 80,000miles.
Not worried a bit.
I'm planning on keeping mine for 3 years 60k miles. 10k in and its still going strong. There was no noticeable detriment to the fuel consumption, in fact it improved under careful driving. The fun to be had is amazing though. Taking on Civic type Rs is fun as are focus RSs ( maybe a wuss driver ). Audi TTs ( not the 200bhp+ ones ) Leon cupras ( not R although you can make them think twice ) Ibiza cupra Rs ( up to 120ish ).
all these cars and more can be taken with the power of Revo'd diesel.
Live for today. get the revo power.
I drove mine for 20,500 miles with the Revo chip and I wasn't scared to use the performance, even when the vibration set in at peak torque in 6th. There weren't any problems looming that I could see.
Mpg as Rage says is very similar unless you use the extra go you have available, tyres get munched fairly quickly (15k but mostly motorway, remember) and I guess you could put more strain on the brakes and clutch.
BTW Simon, I think you could probably add 944 S2 to your list - the cab feels only slightly quicker than the TDi did. Because it's a 16V it's totally different to drive, so it may be no faster or even slower for all I know. I'm pretty sure I'd leave you over 100, but in the real world I wouldn't get away. I'll have to get my Turbo back together to guarantee humbling ickle diesels.
Unless your a lead footed driver you will not see a problem. A friend of mine had his ibiza 110 chipped, 3 yrs latter (160000km) he removed it before trading in with no problems.
I have had my TDi Sport now for almost 6 months and had it Revo'd less than 2 months into ownership and as the rest say it really depends on how you are going to drive it but for me useing it for everday commuting etc. I don't think I will come anywhere near the stress limits of the engine and I will certainly be keeping it for 3+ years so it doesn't worry me too much.
I got my SPS1 last Friday and reverted back to stock the other day when I took it in for some warrenty work and boy does it feel flat in stock mode compared to performance mode. If you go for it you certainly won't regret it but if you are unsure why not try the 5 hour free demo just have the plastic ready when it runs out because you will want it.
What colour did you go for and any options ?
No demo available for the diesel. Or at least there wasn't last time I was at Revo and they implied there wouldn't be ever.
As Aceman says though switching back to standard is weird. The car just feels totally dead with no power at all. I can't imagine driving it like for long periods of time (again).
I stand corrected, just presumed it would be available on the TDi as well. Ah well if your ever in my neck of the woods I'll certainly give you a demo.
Bye the way if you were Revo'd you would be doing more than staying in your mate's mirrors :D
where did you go for your sps1? I guess it is a quick job (not that the original upgrade took long :) )
Gleistung
24-04-2003, 22:10
Acording to the "Option Auto" french tuning magazine, in a head to head comparison test between a chipped 190bhp Beezer TDI130 and a Leon Cupra R (210bhp), they said they were very even accelerating once the Beezer gained some traction due to the unit´s monted 195/50R15´s.
I´ll say that the Beezer will give the Civic a real run for it´s money..at least on the track it does and only needs 185bhp (and 300ft-lbs) to kick the Civic´s 215bhp arse.. :D
If you wanna check it out:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13204
slim_boy_fat
25-04-2003, 07:58
Peter, remember you have other options than Revo. There are a number places that will do good performance upgrades to the TDI. Spend some time finding out about them and then decide. But it has to be done. :D
LEO LION R
25-04-2003, 08:06
remember you have other options than Revo
Well said, it seems like the forum has gone Revo mad, when there are many other competitors out there - just as there were before the serial port progamming took off.
It's well worth a search as they may be the quickest to convert but definately not the cheapest, and i don't believe 100% that you get what you pay for, i recon they'll have to reduce prices very soon to stay competative as other companies start to use their own serial port programming.
Whilst back on the thread topic, i don't think anyone has had a long term chipped car in here ( i could be wrong) . Long term to me means 60000 + miles
:cheers:
Many thanks for the prompt replies everybody. It looks like I will have to invest at some point because while I just use the car for commuting (22 miles each way) along a winding A road. I am still young enough just to want that little extra kick in the back to make me smile once in a while. I have only done 200 miles so a little bit more running in yet I think before an upgrade and that will give me time to shop around.
Aceman as to colour and options I got the same colour as you and I must say I like it. Options I seem to have chosen the more common ones on an import ESP, Rain sensor, Xenon’s (love the 007 style washer jets):D
Thanks Again
Peter
Oh and one other thing the gap between the CD and the climate control is crying out to be filled, maybe time for sat nav (don’t know when I would use it but what a gadget) :redface:
P
Note the two people who don't have the revo software are the only ones questioning its value.
Before I had mine done I checked with a number of other chip tuners and looked into tuning boxes as well. However on a price/performance scale Revo ( APR as was ) came out best. It is an expensive product but its stealth is useful in still being able to get warranty repair work done.
As for getting what you pay for mine and RB5s RR results show that you get exactly what it says on the tin. That we then both went on to try and get more is beside the point.
There is a huge trend towards Revo on this forum and with good reason. Their product is excellent can be installed quickly and easily with no signs of tampering. Look at all the posts from the 20VT owners who had APR chips and then got Revo'd. Not one of them has complained about it being crap or not what was promised. Myself and others stand by Revos product and give testimony to its value for money.
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slim_boy_fat
25-04-2003, 11:58
Originally posted by Rage
Note the two people who don't have the revo software are the only ones questioning its value.
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Which, A: prob makes us more impartial
and B: is why we are Scottish.
If Revo had a dealer up here then both myself and Leo would prob have been done by now, and i am sure we would both be happy, but they dont and we havnt....
So this has given us some time to research further and wait till other options (that were NOT available when you looked) to come onto the market.
The money and the will is in place but we are both looking for the best overall option. Performance is only 1 factor.. Price, reliability, and switching options etc. play a part too.
Its just a matter of finding out whats right for you Peter.
For better impartiality you should speak to somebody who has used a variety of chip tuners. One who has only used one chip and another that has used none can offer some very useful input but if you want a true evaluative comment then the former surely is the best?
I dont have Revo and am not questioning anything. I just have enough points on my licence for now.
slim_boy_fat
25-04-2003, 12:39
Originally posted by edc
For better impartiality you should speak to somebody who has used a variety of chip tuners. One who has only used one chip and another that has used none can offer some very useful input but if you want a true evaluative comment then the former surely is the best?
FYI i have tried many tuners, just not on my 130 sport...
LEO LION R
25-04-2003, 12:51
I just have enough points on my licence for now
Poor man :(
Revo seems to be like a new bar that's just opened, every one ravs about it and can't get enough of it, and then a nother new one opens up 6 months later, and everyone is off again to the next place.
They have been lucky and smart, in that it's a unique product (at time of launch) and what everyone wants - stealthy product.
For me i've been looking everywhere for the best all round product and it has come back to the 2 rivals again and again (with Jabba in there but too far away).
Since APR USA are launching their SPP this coming month i recon there will be a change in pricing by Revo as APR USA are over £100 cheaper.
Time will tell, i could be way off the mark :redface:
Can only be good news for the customer :D
:cheers:
I'm not knocking anybody's point of view but as your reply highlighted it is difficult to gauge one's experience im/partiality over a forum.
Slayer, you might do well to seek the views from Golf TDI 130 owners. They've had the engine for longer than SEAT and may have done more miles with more chips.
It does speak volumes though when customers praise a product/service with no (I've seen) bad remarks. I think it's in our nature to complain and rarely to praise, so to have so few complaints about Revo must say something.
Dave99 - I travelled back down to Daventry for my SPS1. It only took me 1.5 hours to get there so not too bad. They had to reprogramme the ECU back to stock before installing the SPS program but still only took 20 minutes.
Slayer - good choice the best colour of course :D
slim_boy_fat
25-04-2003, 14:38
I suppose Platinum is ok...
I must admit I was going to order Extreme Blue but was put off by the yellow dial surrounds. The grey looks like it does not show the dirt thats a major plus in my book.
P
slim_boy_fat
25-04-2003, 15:05
Originally posted by Slayer
I must admit I was going to order Extreme Blue but was put off by the yellow dial surrounds. The grey looks like it does not show the dirt thats a major plus in my book.
P
Mine never shows any still get washed 3-4 times a week :redface:
The dial surrounds and the chrome vents are much better...
Platinum rocks - got some a film back from Boots at lunch time. Will try to scan them over the weekend.
Originally posted by edc
Slayer, you might do well to seek the views from Golf TDI 130 owners. They've had the engine for longer than SEAT and may have done more miles with more chips.
Or wait a couple more months as I rack up 4700 a month.
I would love to get mine chipped now I have done a few miles (1800) just concerned about insurance. It seems that a lot of guys have chipped their cars, have you told ur insurance co's? If so what difference did it make? I have heard 38% uplift is that right?
slim_boy_fat
25-04-2003, 18:30
Originally posted by Harvey
I would love to get mine chipped now I have done a few miles (1800) just concerned about insurance. It seems that a lot of guys have chipped their cars, have you told ur insurance co's? If so what difference did it make? I have heard 38% uplift is that right?
Thats the main reason behind getting the serial mapping with the switching option. Its called stealth mode!!.
The uplift in cost varies greatly, i got quotes from 8 insurers, and only 2 would insure the chipped cars and surpris surprise they were the dear quotes without the chip.
Best quote was £380 but will not insure chipped car
Best quote someone who would insure chpped car was £560 unchipped and another £100 for the chip.
So the diff was £380 and £660..
£280 extra is more than i am prepared to spend!!
Thats 74% extra :eek: I think not....
shirudell
05-05-2003, 20:17
Had my TDi 110 Leon Chipped, UPSOLUTE, by CCC Tech in Sheffield (Simon Coe). I'm very happy with the power and performance now. Cost £305 to have done. Makes a big difference to pick up and torque, and accelerates much more like a petrol engine. My insurance is with Privilege, which is about £350 a year fully comp, the extra cost of the 30% increase in power was 115 for the year. I wouldn't even think about not telling your insurance company unless you can afford the cash for a brand new car without making a dent, or can afford to pay someone compensation money for the rest of your life because your insurance was invalid!!
:D
shirudell
05-05-2003, 20:19
Oh, and economy is up by around 23%, which I thought was incredible! But seriously, under normal driving I now get about 125 miles more out of a tank, and thats driving normally and occasionally using all of the extra power. I'm no slouch either. Used to get around 515 miles from 50 litres, now get 630 miles from the same volume of fuel!
Out of interest how big is the Leon TDi tank?
shirudell
05-05-2003, 20:32
From memory, I think it's 52 litres.
slim_boy_fat
06-05-2003, 08:13
Originally posted by shirudell
Oh, and economy is up by around 23%, which I thought was incredible! But seriously, under normal driving I now get about 125 miles more out of a tank, and thats driving normally and occasionally using all of the extra power. I'm no slouch either. Used to get around 515 miles from 50 litres, now get 630 miles from the same volume of fuel!
That's quite a increase in mpg. I look forward to it when i take the plunge. At the moment i am getting about 49mpg so that would be a tasty 60mpg....I wish.
I am sure on the motorway with the cruise control engaged i will see a nice return.
Leon tank is 55litres
Shirudel ~ have you verified this increase mate ~ it's possible the trip computer is being fooled by the remap.
As I have said on my other posts Revo looks very good.
please remember that it is just a software push, the guy who does it may be a car Alarm fitter and no nothing about engines.
I have only found that Jabba sport claim 184 bhp from there TDI 130`s
This is setup on a rolling road by someone who knows about engines.
this is also half the price of Revo...........
Think what you think, revo should be much cheaper.
there is others, revo is just a bit of a buz word at this time.
Darren
slim_boy_fat
06-05-2003, 10:57
Originally posted by darren7
As I have said on my other posts Revo looks very good.
please remember that it is just a software push, the guy who does it may be a car Alarm fitter and no nothing about engines.
I have only found that Jabba sport claim 184 bhp from there TDI 130`s
This is setup on a rolling road by someone who knows about engines.
this is also half the price of Revo...........
Think what you think, revo should be much cheaper.
there is others, revo is just a bit of a buz word at this time.
Darren
Leo and I have been sayin that for months. ;)
so will you be going for this
http://www.jabbasport.com/Audi/New_Products/Z1/Z2/Z3/tdi_all_models.html
Thanks
Darren
slim_boy_fat
06-05-2003, 11:59
Originally posted by darren7
so will you be going for this
http://www.jabbasport.com/Audi/New_Products/Z1/Z2/Z3/tdi_all_models.html
Thanks
Darren
Waiting to see about the APR USA Serial which was out on the 1st May apparently.
Dont fancy the idea of replacing the OE chip. And all the issues that come with that.
+ I can get the APR done up in Scotland. All the rest would require a 500+ mile round trip. This would add to the cost.
+ I want the cruise control and the swiching option from that, just like the concept + i have cruise in my wifes Golf TDI.
I called an ARP dealer( fontain) and they just jave me Revo details.
I asked about apr serial port, they dont seem to no yet.
Darren