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Hi,
Have any of you had a your Ibiza 1.8VT's Chipped. If so what kind of extra power have you got and how much did it cost?
Cupramax
30-11-2001, 13:29
I believe Upsolute did one yesterday. Results and info in the "tuning" forum.....:p
Hi
I have chip made by All Car Racing, they offer this modification in Poland for 850 DM, I am a little disappointed with this modification but... .
I should have about 191 HP, and incr. torque to 250.
Car is faster (before chip aacceleration from 0-100 was 7,9) but after I installed chip with hi flow filter (Green), Remus exhaust (back) and removed catalyzer and Nipon Denso Irrydium spark plugs. Now I can reach 0-100 in 6,8 (average time) , it was measure with stopwatch:devil:
191 BHP that sounds quite good, when you say you are not that happy, what do you mean? Is the power not smooth or is it really bad on fuel? I am looking to gain a bit more power from my Cupra, but want to see what mods with give me the best power for the money. Any suggestions would be greats
Thanks
Simon
Originally posted by Madman
191 BHP that sounds quite good, when you say you are not that happy, what do you mean? Is the power not smooth or is it really bad on fuel? I am looking to gain a bit more power from my Cupra, but want to see what mods with give me the best power for the money. Any suggestions would be greats
Thanks
Simon
Try impossible power 01634250811 - Upsolute chip to approx 195BHP for £265
Best power for money has to be the upsolute upgrade!, read through the forums or ask questions about power/cost and you will see:D ,
Mine worked out to cost £8.28 per extra horsey :D , damm good value for money if you ask me!
Cheers, that chip upgrade sounds cool. But my insurance is already quite high, how easy is it to take it out in a hurry or more to the point can you tell just by looking if it has been chipped?
Hi
again, I installed All Car Racing chip 5 months ago, and then I thought it was worth money I spend.
My first feeling was that pedal response is much better and that car is ligter, but when I push it to the limit I was disappointed because I needed that during acceleration it should to squeeze me into seat.
Now I am sure that I will buy chip made by Digitec but it is for about 999 EUR :mad:.
www.digi-tec.net/index.php?shopid=9e44daac8eea7cf2ff21aadb9ceffca8.
300 Nm at 2100 U/min and about 37kW (50 HP) :cheers:
Originally posted by Madman
Cheers, that chip upgrade sounds cool. But my insurance is already quite high, how easy is it to take it out in a hurry or more to the point can you tell just by looking if it has been chipped?
The new chip is fitted into a chip socket/holder. It can easily be removed and the original one replaced (1/2hr tops, probably 10mins). All the original car info is put on the new chip anyway, so until the car is driven no one knows the difference.
Don't you need to reset the ECU with a 1551 machine everytime you fiddle with the chip like this???
RIch
I think I will go for that mod, thanks for the advise. Just out of interest has anyone gone for NOS? If so what have you found. I have build of the car is able to cope with NOS, but I just wanted to know if anyone had done it or was thinking about it. Also any idea of any companies that do it?
Thanks
Simon
Hi !
my specs => (prep. in Geneva / Switzerland)
Max Power @ 4686 rpm =>> 202 hp
Max Torque @ 3238 rpm =>> 38 Nm (!!)
C YA :devil:
No reset needed with the chip change at all, just swap it oer whenever you like,
And Antonio, 38Nm?, dont you mean 308 Nm ?, although thats rather a lot for an ibiza unless you have got a KKK04 under the bonnet!!:D
Impossible do nitros conversions aswell. Their Beetle demo is fitted up.
Icecavern
03-12-2001, 11:45
Originally posted by Madman
I think I will go for that mod, thanks for the advise. Just out of interest has anyone gone for NOS? If so what have you found. I have build of the car is able to cope with NOS, but I just wanted to know if anyone had done it or was thinking about it. Also any idea of any companies that do it?
Thanks
Simon
I don't know if it's true but I was told that NOS confuses the ECU too much on 20vt's..
Is that beetle demo a turbo? If so it proves that's not true..
Pete
The Beetle is a 2.0L but is having a turbo conversion shortly.
It is unbelievably expensive to run a Nos car!, i think it costs something like £15 per minute of Nos run, I would probably get through £20 of Nos per day!!, although depends on how much driving you do i suppose
Icecavern
03-12-2001, 12:12
You need to run a controller for the NOS then it lasts longer and the power is fed in smoothly. Plus you should only use 10s bursts or so anyway so a bottle should last a while.
Pete
Simon
Just looked at Superchips website and their Ibiza chip looks good aswell. The BHP figure is only 180 but the torque is up to 246ftlbs(330NM) which is very impressive, most other chip quote higher BHP but only approx 250 to 280 NM torque. £350
Cheers, I am going to think about which one to go for I may go for the upsolute one, but after reading some of the stuff in the forums, how accuate are the figures. Have you had yours on a RR?
Simon
Hi!
well, sorry ... of course 380 NM..
no mechanical part changed..
Though we could get 5-10 more HP with new inlet pipe..
and as I said on another post, 4.8 sec in average from 80 to 120 Km/h in 4th gear... :D :D :D
Porsche GT2 => 4.7 sec :cool:
C YA
Wow!, that is extremely high!!, has it been verified on a rolling road?, if so can you post the dyno plot up?,
I want that much torque!
HI!
Yeah, it has been verified on a dyno plot...
But my prepa told me not to put the results online for the moment... don't know why actually !!
But I have a copy, so if you have more questions, just ask !!
otherwise, you can compare doing the 80 to 120 Km/h in 4th...
C YA
I have had a look on the Superchips site and found their Standard BHP a bit high about 163. This concerned me a bit so I e-mailed them, no reply yet.
Mark APR
03-12-2001, 21:41
Hi Mark here from APR
Just to let you guy's know that we now have software for the Ibiza Cupra 1.8T including the 'R'. We also have software for the Leon . Our Seat pages will be posted this week on our website www.apreurope.com complete with dyno graghs.
For testimonials, please contact our newly appointed dealer in Scotland, 'Star Performance' whos Ibiza demonstrator now boasts 197BHP and 247ftlb's and also Listers Seat who’s Leon and Ibiza Cupra’R’, are available for test drive.
Cheers
Mark
Hi Mark,
How much does this cost?, i wouldnt mind that amount of torque in my leon!
Mark APR
03-12-2001, 22:32
Our cost for the both the Ibiza and leon is 712+vat whether you have one or two progarms. We currently offer the cruise control system for the Leon which then allows the switching of programs along with other EMCS features whilst having fully functional cruise control. This will also be available on the Ibiza once we have sourced the correct indicator stalk with cruise control fetaure. Let me know if you need any more info and i will send it out to you.
Many thanks.
Mark APR, good to see you post on here. I know APR has had lots of good press in the States for a few years now on places like www.vwvortex.com
It must be difficult for you guys to compete with young upstarts like Upsolute especially when you look at the difference in price and the amount of good vibes Upsolute has steadily been building.
Have you thought about giving the folks here some healthy discounts to get a few customers onboard, hopefully some good recommendations going and the 'my chip is better than your chip' threads?
Good luck
Marc
Mark APR
03-12-2001, 23:16
Hi marc
Yes we will probably look at something for the Seat Club and it will be a topic at our next meeting. No difficulties really in competing with other companies. We have a quality product and quality comes at a price. You get what you pay for in this game and the proof is in the pudding (just hope I don’t end up eating humble pie here!). Our EMCS program is unique and no one else can match it. We do not have Seat in the USA, but have spent a lot of time here in the UK developing software for them. The software we have developed received good praise from a major Seat Dealership along with Star Performance who recently was appointed our Scottish dealer. We have worked very close with other clubs too and will keep you posted on any special offers we may offer.
Many thanks
Mark APR
ibizacupra
04-12-2001, 10:13
Hi Mark APR.
Look forward to seeing you for the RR bash at Power Station on the 19th Jan 2002.
regards
Bill Brockbank AKA Ibizacupra AKA Badger5 Ltd
Steve3961
04-12-2001, 19:45
Originally posted by Mark APR
Our cost for the both the Ibiza and leon is 712+vat whether you have one or two progarms. We currently offer the cruise control system for the Leon which then allows the switching of programs along with other EMCS features whilst having fully functional cruise control. This will also be available on the Ibiza once we have sourced the correct indicator stalk with cruise control fetaure. Let me know if you need any more info and i will send it out to you.
Many thanks.
I thought that to fit cruise control to most modern vag vehicles all you need is the actual stalk and to recode the ECU to activate the program?? The stalk is only 40 quid so isn't £195 a bit steep just for a quick stalk fitmant and re-code?
Also... The chip seems to be based on 95 octane fuel? There is a extra charge for a 98 octane chip? isn't this a bit unfair as most of us run optimax (Ie 98 octane fuel)
OK so this thread has diverted a bit but I have an answer from Superchips.
They say engine output can vary from the manufactures quoted outputs and that the quoted manufacture’s figure is a safe expected output. This implies that the standard engine in full flight can if the tolerances work for you produce about 164 BHP. I wonder about the about of the engines I see here, normal manufacturing tolerances may be playing a bigger part than we think. The only way to find out will be the rolling road shoot out, similarly modified cars may produce varying outputs for no apparent reason.
I would like to see projected power outputs for chip modifications carrying tolerance info i.e. 195BHP +/- 10%
Mark APR
06-12-2001, 21:31
Steve3961 wrote:
I thought that to fit cruise control to most modern vag vehicles all you need is the actual stalk and to recode the ECU to activate the program?? The stalk is only 40 quid so isn't £195 a bit steep just for a quick stalk fitmant and re-code?
Also... The chip seems to be based on 95 octane fuel? There is a extra charge for a 98 octane chip? isn't this a bit unfair as most of us run optimax (Ie 98 octane fuel)
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Hi mark here again.
Sorry for this lengthy post, but I feel I need to clear up a few points relating to the above thread!
Cruise control is not just the fitting of a switch. (even though that alone requires the removing of the Airbag, steering wheel, under tray etc.) You then need to install the additional wiring loom (assembled and heat shrunk itself takes 30 mins plus consumables.) along with running the loom through the fire wall and connecting to the ECU harness itself, additional wiring to the Clutch pedal switch and re-assembly of the interior makes for about 2 hours work! We only fit cruise to support our EMCS software and not for a support our pension scheme. If we did, we would charge the 289+VAT like one of our competitor’s . If fact we only charge 175+vat when fitted with our performance software.
Secondly, regarding the different programs. We have tested with Shell Optimax and found it to be very good. When we finished with our Optimax program we found that the window of adaptation not big enough to run 95 RON, with the ignition using virtually all the knock sensor range for ignition retard. Therefore if you only opt for the Optimax program and were stuck with having to fill up with 95 RON, you may well end up with a pinging engine causing damage to your pride and joy. There are improvements for running Optimax in our 95 program as the software adapts, but not to the true potential of the better fuel. Hence Optimax/98 program.
Sorry to have gone on a bit .
Over the weekend we should be posting xmas offer for you Seat Guy’s also.
Regards
Mark…