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I had my Ibiza Cupra chipped by Impossible Performance yesterday, 1st in UK. After only about 100miles I am impressed, even the fuel economy seems slightly better.
The service given by Michael was good and I would recomend using him.
I was supprised at the before chip figures on the rolling road showing 151BHP at the wheels (112kW) apparently equating to approx 175BHP at the flywheel. (130kW X 1.35). This was reasonably consistant between 5150rpm to 6000rpm
The after chip readings were 175BHP at wheels(130kW) and approx 195BHP at flywheel (147kW X 1.35). This peaked at 4800rpm then fell below original unchipped output.
These readings were obtained using Optimax with outside weather damp/slight rain.
I think my conversions are correct multiplying by 1.35 but if this is wrong let me know.(works using SEATs 115kW to 156BHP)
Unfortunately no torque figures were given but it is supposed to be approx 270NM similar to other chips. Does anyone know how to work it out?
:devil: :D
Nice!!:D , did you get it for £265? inc RR sesh?,
Are you comming along to the RR sesh on jan the 19th?, would be nice to compare your conversion against the £1000 RSD conversion to see what the power differences are, and whether your conversion is more powerful than Bill's car
Originally posted by Mosser
Nice!!:D , did you get it for £265? inc RR sesh?,
Are you comming along to the RR sesh on jan the 19th?, would be nice to compare your conversion against the £1000 RSD conversion to see what the power differences are, and whether your conversion is more powerful than Bill's car
Yes £265 inc. RR. I'm going to try and work out torque figures.
I've got my name on the list, nothing changing between now and then, see you there!!
chungster
30-11-2001, 19:33
Fo a start.......manufacturers quote flywheel figures.
So...Seat reckons we should have 156bhp at the flywheel....which should work out to be somewhere between 115-125bhp at the wheels.
Impossible reckons your car had 175bhp at the flywheel standard....that my friend, is total poo. Unless its a Cupra R of course!
And so after chipping, you have 195bhp...which is only a 20bhp hike according to the figs you have.
Umm......all very confusing to be honest. I would like to see your car run on an independant RR to see if it still produces the same figs. If my guess is correct....it'll produce a totally different set of results.
Will post mine up tomorrow anyway.....i can't wait!
Ta Ta
ibizacupra
30-11-2001, 20:10
Originally posted by chungster
Fo a start.......manufacturers quote flywheel figures.
So...Seat reckons we should have 156bhp at the flywheel....which should work out to be somewhere between 115-125bhp at the wheels.
Impossible reckons your car had 175bhp at the flywheel standard....that my friend, is total poo. Unless its a Cupra R of course!
And so after chipping, you have 195bhp...which is only a 20bhp hike according to the figs you have.
Umm......all very confusing to be honest. I would like to see your car run on an independant RR to see if it still produces the same figs. If my guess is correct....it'll produce a totally different set of results.
Will post mine up tomorrow anyway.....i can't wait!
Ta Ta
Hey Lee - he's coming to the 19th Jan 2002 RR bash with the rest of us, so all will be revealed.
regards
Bill
Originally posted by chungster
Fo a start.......manufacturers quote flywheel figures.
So...Seat reckons we should have 156bhp at the flywheel....which should work out to be somewhere between 115-125bhp at the wheels.
Impossible reckons your car had 175bhp at the flywheel standard....that my friend, is total poo. Unless its a Cupra R of course!
And so after chipping, you have 195bhp...which is only a 20bhp hike according to the figs you have.
Umm......all very confusing to be honest. I would like to see your car run on an independant RR to see if it still produces the same figs. If my guess is correct....it'll produce a totally different set of results.
Will post mine up tomorrow anyway.....i can't wait!
Ta Ta
Check Superchips website, their standard Ibiza Cupra gave 167BHP before the chip. Impossible actually use an independent RR and not their own. I believe the Leons were showing roughly manufacturers levels on the same RR. However I will be interseted to see the results myself on another RR.
Even if the figures fall a litle short of what I've stated, it's only cost me £265, what's yours costing?
Its the driveability that really matters anyway, so until the 19th jan just enjoy your new found power!!, and then we can see comparisons with other cars
Steve3961
10-12-2001, 18:55
Originally posted by whelme
I had my Ibiza Cupra chipped by Impossible Performance yesterday, 1st in UK. After only about 100miles I am impressed, even the fuel economy seems slightly better.
The service given by Michael was good and I would recomend using him.
I was supprised at the before chip figures on the rolling road showing 151BHP at the wheels (112kW) apparently equating to approx 175BHP at the flywheel. (130kW X 1.35). This was reasonably consistant between 5150rpm to 6000rpm
The after chip readings were 175BHP at wheels(130kW) and approx 195BHP at flywheel (147kW X 1.35). This peaked at 4800rpm then fell below original unchipped output.
These readings were obtained using Optimax with outside weather damp/slight rain.
I think my conversions are correct multiplying by 1.35 but if this is wrong let me know.(works using SEATs 115kW to 156BHP)
Unfortunately no torque figures were given but it is supposed to be approx 270NM similar to other chips. Does anyone know how to work it out?
:devil: :D
I have a few questions about your chip if you don't mind....
Did impossible performance actually re-map your ecu on a rolling road Ie adjust the boost, fuel, ignition timing map to suit your car or just fit a ready made custom chip that had been prepared earlier?
Have you experienced any of the " holding back" problems people have been having with the standard and oetinger chips?
Thanks in advance.
The chip is adjusted on the rolling road if necessary, but for most cars it shouldn't need it, mine didnt and i dont notice any 'holding back' problems at all, if fact, before i fitted the chip i had a noticeable power surge at the 4k rpm mark, that has totally disappeared now and the car pulls like a train right through the rev band,
I am extremely happy with it and wish i had done it 10 months sooner!!
I have a Leon by the way, not an Beezer!
Mosser, can you use 95ron unlead fuel with that chip?
dave
It seems to with no problems, couldnt detect and pinging or pinking, although as you would expect there was adrop in power produced,
I have use supermarket fuel!!, 95, 97 and 98 octane all with no problems at all, smooth power delivery on all of them
Originally posted by Steve3961
I have a few questions about your chip if you don't mind....
Did impossible performance actually re-map your ecu on a rolling road Ie adjust the boost, fuel, ignition timing map to suit your car or just fit a ready made custom chip that had been prepared earlier?
Have you experienced any of the " holding back" problems people have been having with the standard and oetinger chips?
Thanks in advance.
Being the first Ibiza done the original program was read from the original chip and sent to Upsolute via E-mail. They then sent back a modified program which was loaded onto a new chip and fitted to the car a rolling road tested. The torque curve has changed I think as the peak torque is approx 3750rpm, but is strong from about 2500 to 4500rpm so you don't get that kick you had but a stronger pull through out. The car runs Ok on 95RON as that's what I usually use but I think the optimal performance will be from 98RON as I had in when chipped. The power drops off at the top but Upsolute are looking into that. I didn't have time to optimise the settings when it was fitted so I will be going back some time. I am still pleased with it but watch the fuel economy when you're having fun!!!!
I can fax you the dyno if you want it.
Well worth the £265!!
As for the holding back, mine did it a little before. Sometimes when cold it is a little hesitant on the first ocassion of accelerating from a junction i.e. when I leave work, as it did before but it's no worse. If you don't have the problem now it might be OK anyway. My car is a Dec. 2000, I don't know if newer ones are different.
Send me a E-mail with a contact number and we can speak on the phone if you want.
I am seriously looking at this chip now....if any of you guys that have one already are gonna meet anywhere in the South then I would love to go out in your car and see the difference!
Cheers.
Si:)
Originally posted by CupraSi
I am seriously looking at this chip now....if any of you guys that have one already are gonna meet anywhere in the South then I would love to go out in your car and see the difference!
Cheers.
Si:)
We are planning a meet around Cambridge on Dec 22nd. See local meetings Forum for details.
Yes mate, I have been trying to follow all of these threads but we are now trying to get a Southern Meet going..see the other 50 threads lol!
If I can make it to that and get some info that would be cool!
Cheers.
Si:cheers:
Steve3961
11-12-2001, 18:49
Originally posted by whelme
Being the first Ibiza done the original program was read from the original chip and sent to Upsolute via E-mail. They then sent back a modified program which was loaded onto a new chip and fitted to the car a rolling road tested. The torque curve has changed I think as the peak torque is approx 3750rpm, but is strong from about 2500 to 4500rpm so you don't get that kick you had but a stronger pull through out. The car runs Ok on 95RON as that's what I usually use but I think the optimal performance will be from 98RON as I had in when chipped. The power drops off at the top but Upsolute are looking into that. I didn't have time to optimise the settings when it was fitted so I will be going back some time. I am still pleased with it but watch the fuel economy when you're having fun!!!!
I can fax you the dyno if you want it.
Well worth the £265!!
As for the holding back, mine did it a little before. Sometimes when cold it is a little hesitant on the first ocassion of accelerating from a junction i.e. when I leave work, as it did before but it's no worse. If you don't have the problem now it might be OK anyway. My car is a Dec. 2000, I don't know if newer ones are different.
Send me a E-mail with a contact number and we can speak on the phone if you want.
Thanks for the quick responce!
The Dyno printout would be much appreciated. My no. will arrive in a PM
Does sound like good value for money but iam looking for a custom re-map that suits my particular engine.
I belive The holding back problem could be easily sorted on a RR if the Chip was mapped exactly to the specific car and its mods. The only people i have found do this is AMD. Although the price does double!
The UPsolout Chip does sound better than the Oetinger one tho as the car gets tested on a RR and is 1/4 of the price!
The other "put down" comments about the chip you are getting is almost certainly down to jealousy on the price front i belive.
Steve, I echo your words and agree with you totally and at the end of the day whatever you choose it could go wrong and we have to deal with the consequences!
Si
Black20VT
12-12-2001, 09:15
Steve,
Unichip also do a chip that is set-up to your individual car.
Check out my post in the Ibiza forum un Upsolute or other Chip.
Are you going to the RR day on 19th? I'm trying to organise getting a Unichip car there to support it's case. At the moment, looks like we could have a Audi A4 that was originally running at 148bhp and now running at 197bhp at 12psi boost.
As I say, take a look at my post's in the Ibiza section, the Unichip is a quality product and I can supply a reference from someone I work with who has one in his T5! Awesome to say the least!
Cheers,
Chris.
Steve3961
12-12-2001, 19:07
Originally posted by Wannabe
Steve,
Unichip also do a chip that is set-up to your individual car.
Check out my post in the Ibiza forum un Upsolute or other Chip.
Are you going to the RR day on 19th? I'm trying to organise getting a Unichip car there to support it's case. At the moment, looks like we could have a Audi A4 that was originally running at 148bhp and now running at 197bhp at 12psi boost.
As I say, take a look at my post's in the Ibiza section, the Unichip is a quality product and I can supply a reference from someone I work with who has one in his T5! Awesome to say the least!
Cheers,
Chris.
I have seen you post on the uni chip and have to agree that it does seem very good! It does intergrate with parts of the car that other's certainly do not , looks well worth proper investigation.
Ill talk to some people at work to see if they've heard any good/bad things about them.
Black20VT
13-12-2001, 11:34
Ill talk to some people at work to see if they've heard any good/bad things about them.
Steve,
Let me know what you find out, as I'll be interested aswell.
Cheers,
Chris.
Steve3961
13-12-2001, 22:07
Originally posted by Wannabe
Steve,
Let me know what you find out, as I'll be interested aswell.
Cheers,
Chris.
Will do!