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Hi Everyone,
I'm a new member to this forum & I've just purchased a 2001 Ibiza 110 TDI Sport.
It's absolute cracker of a car. The low down torque is far better than the Corrado G60 I had previously. Equipment level & fuel economy is outstanding.
Anyway, as you can tell, I'm chuffed to bits with it.:D
Is there anyway known problems or anything I need to lookout for on this model?
Cheers,
Jon
BeezerDiesel
01-05-2003, 15:58
Hello and welcome Jon!
I've got a 2000 TDI 90 that's been played with a bit and not had any problems of note, the air-con has a mind of it's own but that's about it.
Looked for a 110 Sport myself last year but couldn't turn one up for the right money but they are nice, just add a chip or Tuning Box and you'll be away.
Yeah Hi & Welcome Jon - Enjoy the Site - Very useful & helpfull guys/girls here....
& Enjoy the Ibiza toooo :jog:
Welcome Jon
I also have 2001 TDI 110, i really wanted the 130 but just couldnt afford it... grrr.... how much did u pay for yours by the way?
Nothing has gone wrong on mine yet, i think the MAF is dodgy as its lumpy at below 1000rpm to 2000rpm, the turbo doesnt sound right sound like its spins up then down then up etc... anyway im gonna clean my maf this weekend and we will see. seat say theres nothing wrong with my engine... grrr.
Anyway, the mpg meter will probably over-read by about 2-3 mpg, i monitor it in a spreadsheet by how much i put in and mileage and its always slightly lower than the computer says. I get about 52mpg overall (the computer says 54.5 usually), depends how u drive it though!!
make sure you clear your intercooler regularly, its in the bottom holes in the front bumper skirt, on the right as you look at the car, it has a tendancy to collect leaves etc, so make sure its clear for the best intercooling :-) And also open your air box and clear that regularly as that seems to collect quite a bit of leaves etc.
And after that probably upgrade the speakers as the stereo is a bit crap in it!
Have fun pissing off some petrol heads, great fun
Ive had mine for 9 months, since 11,000 miles and now have 18,000 on it and all seems fine (apart from the slightly lumpy engine)
Anyway these tdi lumps go on for ages with no probs, the vw tdi lump is well proven. you can easily be on for 200,000 miles also!
if you chip it you can get it to about 130 - 150 bhp.
im keeping dreaming of a 130.
Laters
Stew
Welcome!
I posted on CGTI about the car...just wanted as well!
What colour is it?
Thanks for the replys,
I just picked it up yesterday evening, so I'm still getting used to it.
I paid just short of 9K for it from a Seat dealer. I also asked for a 6 disc autochanger & interior mats to be fitted, which they did FOC (you don't get if you don't ask!). They also carried out a 20K miles service (current mileage is 18,400).
It looks as though the previous owner had already upgraded the rear speakers, cos the parcel shelf has a pair of Alpine 6x9 grilles screwed to it but no speakers! Maybe I'll get some 6x9s later on & put them into an acoustic shelf.
I can't find any problems as yet, but like I say, I only picked it up last night.
I've looked into the plug in modules & the performance increases seem good value for money & some are adjustable to suit the driver.
A work colleague has the same model with a TD Performance box & he's over the moon with it.
Cheers,
Jon
What colour is it?
Hi Tom,
It's Silver. I did have a look at a Red one, but I thought it looked better in Silver.
basstard
01-05-2003, 17:36
Hi mate!
I can't believe you're sayin' the low down torque is better than the G60's one (180hp i guess,,,), this makes me very happy 'cos I own a TDi 110 SE beezer and when i was a kid (now i'm 21) i always dreamt of a g60 corrado,,, haha!! Diesel torque!!
My car has been chipped to 'bout 135hp by the previous owner, so i dunno the exact number of hp and torque values, but that's a lot, i assure you!!
Problems i had/have:
-I lowered the car of about -3.0 cm, this, in connection with Rome ****ed up roads leads my front left wheel hub to loosen periodically. Nothing bad if you thighten it as soon as possible. You can notice it's loosening 'cause when you steer you can hear a big 'clunk' sound comin from the wheel. Remember to thighten it as soon as you can or you can **** up your brake disks (i did it,,,)
-I can notice a strong vibration while in 4th-5th gear between 1300 and 1750 rpm, probably due to a dirty MAF. Will polish it as soon as possible.
-The computer connected with the ECU says i got a problem with a temp sensor of some sort (g20 or g52, can't remember, anyway, to me it's the same!), this could be probably the reason why sometimes the min rpm sit over 1100 (with normal being 900) and the onboard computer is sometimes returning fake fuel consumption values (way far too high). I once stopped the engine while in this situation and then connected the computer to the ECU, it noticed an adjustable error with the injection pressure (felt very bad that time!!); this error disappeared when the values came back to normal.
Minor problems are:
-if you play way too much with the handbrake, chances are like you get your rear brake pads uneven,,, when on reverse gear and braking you could hear an awful sound,,, nothin bad, if you keep your hands off the handbrake for a while it goes back to normal.
-the clutch pedal can (if presses too heavily on some models) sometimes remain stuck on depressed, nothing serious at least if it happens while you're havin fun with fast corners, but it won't happen trust me.
-the interiors are not very HQ. the internal door handle peels, as well as the steering wheel.
-if you own the 3-doors model, pay attention to passengers when they come out of the car from the back seats, they can break the very weak plastic thingies that cover the seat pivot.
Can't remember anything more as for now. I'm still in love with the car. Now it's 8 months, i had some problems but everything is due to the car's been tuned. The car in its original setup is in my opinion almost perfect (apart the fact that 110hp are a little few) and at the time, it was the best "little" to be bought in terms of cost/performance/fuel consumption.
If you wanna chip it, i'd suggest not to exeed the 130-140 hp if don't wanna change a lot of other stuff or have some problems.
Clean the inside of the intercooler too every 15.000 kms by keeping it in a soap bath.
Keep care of it!
Carlo
BeezerDiesel
01-05-2003, 17:39
Not the one from SMC Exeter is it? I was parked up next to it on Monday when mine was in for it's 40k service and it was waiting for it's PDI service prior to being picked up.
slim_boy_fat
01-05-2003, 21:34
Hi Jon, enjoy the site and the banter. :D :cheers:
Slim
Your wife got an email address so i can send her the url for your signature !! :D :D (banter:devil: )
I can't believe you're sayin' the low down torque is better than the G60's one (180hp i guess,,,),
Yeah, my G60 was chipped & pulleyed to 190bhp & the G-lader was rebuilt, but the power band was around 3000-4500rpm.
With the TDI it's as low down as 1900rpm. Obviously, the G60 had more power further up the rev range, but by then the TDI is shifting up another gear & hitting that wave of torque again!
Seems as though I've got my first problem. The central locking wants to unlock itself (even though it's unlocked) when I'm on the move.
I can hear the actuator working away & the interior light comes on.
I've just booked it in the dealers to have a look at.
By the way, I got it from David Penman in Darlington. I'm based in the North East of England, near Middlesbrough.
slim_boy_fat
02-05-2003, 10:18
Originally posted by markmck
Slim
Your wife got an email address so i can send her the url for your signature !! :D :D (banter:devil: )
yes its thatsnotveryfunny@youwantaslap.com ;)
BeezerDiesel
03-05-2003, 04:49
Originally posted by Jon TDI
By the way, I got it from David Penman in Darlington. I'm based in the North East of England, near Middlesbrough.
Guess that wasn't the one in Exeter then!
Coincidence that two almost identical ones were sold at the same time 200 miles apart given that they're so rare.
The one in Exeter was up for sale at £9.5k, don't know what it actually went for.
:thumbsup:
Yeah, that is a coincedence.
Am I right in thinking Seat only made the 110 TDI Sport for 6 months?
When I searched the Seat Used Car website there was only 3 TDI Sports for sale.
BeezerDiesel
03-05-2003, 11:48
They were available from about 1998 in the Real World but SEAT UK only brought them in for a very short time yes.
There's probably only one left on the SEAT site now!
:wink2:
How's the insurance on it BTW, a lot less than the G60 I would think.
My 90 with engine mods is half the price of my old VR6!
What group do they rate the 110 at?
I notice the Golf 150 is quite a high group.
The insurance is £200 cheaper than the Corrado. I think the Ibiza is group 9 or 10, compared with 17 for the G60!
By the way, I've just been over to Croft circuit to watch the qualifying for Formula 3, TVR Tuscans & Seat Cupra Leons. There's some nice cars on & off the track. Peter Wheelers (MD of TVR) own race TVR Tuscan is there, & a very nice road going Tuscan & Cerebra.
Seat have a very nicely laid out service marquee called "Seat village".
Unfortunately, I can't go along tomorrow, but it looks as though it's gonna be good.
Hey beezerdiesel, i got my blue 110 from SMC in exeter, the chap who used to own it lived in plymouth.
PS, that silver one in SMC is still in this weeks auto trader, its a bit too much if you ask me, i got mine for £9k from them and mine had less miles on and was younger.
Oh and also when i was in SMC a few weeks ago it was outside the service bay with a note in the window saying brake problems, check brakes!! odd. It also has some silver trim round the front grill which is coming off, looks nice though if it wasnt hanging off!
Oh and i also cleaned my MAF and its no better, im worried its a prob with the turbo now, just doesnt spin up right between 1k and 2k rpm, so Jon, between 1k and 2k does ur turbo spin up smootly, when not flooring it mind, im using half throttle up gradients? just need to know for comparison.
cheers
Stew
BeezerDiesel
06-05-2003, 17:20
Stew; perhaps the Silver one wasn't sold after all, I just assumed as it moved off the forecourt to by the workshop, I hope someone didn't discover the dodgy brakes on a test drive [good negotiating point - if you live!]
Didn't have a good look at it to be honest, but wouldn't mind it if it was a lot cheaper.
Have I seen your blue 110 with a cycle carrier on it?
Stew,
The turbo seems to spin up very nicely between 1000 & 2000rpm i.e. instant throttle response.
The problem with the central locking has been sorted. Apparently, it was a poor contact on the relay.
orangesprout
07-05-2003, 08:26
Noj,
You know that oil burning is the way forward.
You,ve driven my car while running at 13obhp and 270Nm.
Move over the ginger mobeel is coming (although my bonnet is damaged and 'A' pillar slashed) thanks to RAC Windscreens.
IS
Ah yes, the ginger mobile.
I shall be going down the same route & adding a little more power & that all important torque soon. Just you wait!
It wasn't Freddy Krueger who replaced your windscreen by any chance?
orangesprout
07-05-2003, 08:55
WATCH IT !!
I KNOW WHERE YOUR CAR IS ?????!!?!?!?
Beezerdiesel, nope i dont have a cycle carrier, but there is another blue beezer 110 just the other side of my town (tavistock) how bizzare to see two of the same and same colour in a small town!
BeezerDiesel
08-05-2003, 04:35
Strange indeed Stew.
Have you spoken to both Richardsons and SMC about your turbo spooling?
Wonder if both dealers would come to the same conclusion, as it's under warranty it's worth keeping on to them.
BeezerDiesel
08-05-2003, 05:10
By the way what speakers [and how much] did you upgrade yours for as I agree the stereo is a little lacking but don't want to spend a fortune or start cutting holes.
I havent upgraded the speakers yet, but my mate had a Cupra and changed the speakers straight away and put ones in the back shelf. dunno which ones though as he sold the car, he now drives a fiesta F Reg 1.1 !! what a down grade.
I am gonna do that and put a cd changer in only if they can sort out the stuttering turbo, else i might have to get rid of it :-( only i dont want anything expensive to go once its out of warranty in about 1.5 years. Thing is i wont be able to replace it with anything as good for the amount of money i would get for it.... grrr. and i cant spend any more as we are saving for a deposit for a house... now they are expensive!
I hadnt thought about richardsons though, because i was treated very badly when i was looking for a car, but i supose its worth letting them have a shot at the car, and its half the distance for me.
BeezerDiesel
08-05-2003, 17:31
If there's definately something not right about the turbo, they should be able to find it easily enough, what did SMC say?
Trouble is there's so many electronic gizmos on cars to go wrong you need main dealer diagnostics sometimes to pinpoint things, assuming they know how to operate them correctly.
Keep making a fuss, they'll soon get fed up with you!
Why were Richardsons so bad when you wanted a car, you'd expect dealers to fall over themselves trying to help you.
Mind you I had to phone SMC a few times to chase them up when I bought mine.
Cupra to a Fiesta, I like it! I take it that was to buy a house as well? At least houses don't depreciate as fast as cars [at the moment anyway].
SMC said they couldnt find anything, i took it back 3 times for them, they even went out driving with vag com and nothing was reported, its sooo annoying as it doesnt seem to do it very much in exeter so thats why i think i ight go to plym, nearer as well.
When i enquired about getting a tdi 110 at richardsons they just lauched at me and jotted my number down on a scrap of old paper and surprise suprise they never got back to me!... ive spoken to loads of people who have said their service is crap!
Yeah my mate sold his cupra for a deposit for a house also! but he has ended pissing all the money away on other things.. like hi fi equipment and a kit car!!
Yeah i think i might contact richardsons about my turbo spooling problem and try and take one of the technicians out in it, maybe back to my home (tavy) where i know i can make it happen. Its much worse when cold you can hear the old diesel sound going up and down as well so they might have to have it for a few days and someone has it as a daily driver (will probably get raked though!)
From what i know about engines and cars i think it might be a prob with the actual turbo itself (expensive) so thats why smc might be saying nothing is wrong, or if not then the wastegate.
Oh well we will see.
cheers dudes.
BeezerDiesel
09-05-2003, 17:06
Buy a house in Exeter- problem solved!!!
SEAT UK will have to foot the bill if it's a faulty part on a car that new, not the dealer I would think.
My air-con seems to have a mind of it's own, for instance when it fires up on a freezing cold morning it blows a gale of freezing air at me and on anything on other than LO it gets boiling in the car, but SMC say its not faulty - they're obviously busy enough not to be looking for work or SEAT run a bonus scheme for parts NOT replaced under warranty!
Have you put up a post on the problem on the forums to see if anyone else has had a similar problem?
Keep trying!
sssstew
So these engines go on for ever do they? See my post re "engine seized". Depends if you count 1,000 miles as a big mileage!
:(
PS. Only take the mick...
Hi Jon,
I've got a 110 TDi Sport too. Just been in for it's 20k service (it's done 17k). I've had it since September and haven't had a single problem - except it makes me wanna drive too fast :D
No mods yet 'coz I've got a house to mod first :( but there's a chip on the way very soon.
Just noticed at the dealer yesterday that the new Cupra will have two models - the petrol and a 150 TDi...nice. But I prefer the look of this one to be honest. Plus the fact that I haven't seen a single other one since I bought it!
Welcome and enjoy :cheers:
Beezer, yep my air con has a mind of its own to, i turned off the climate control (auto) probably about 2 days after ive got it and never used it again as its terrible, mine blows too hard all the time, its all over the place, and i have exactly the same sort of probs as you. its cause its not the much better climatronic that you get in better vw models, its just a chip which controls the blower i think, if its too hot it blows like mad and if its too cold it blows like mad! sometimes it turns the ac on and sometimes it doesnt, and thats with Auto being off!!
Anyway, i control it all myself, much better now, what a useless gizmo!
Mike, :redface: yeah they should go on for ever, got your jesting though, youve been a little unlucky, sorry to hear it dude.
Yeah i posted my prob a few months ago but no one has had an idea, and also freds tdi forum thought it was the maf but i have cleaned that and still no good :confused:
Anyway, im going into the dreded place that is richardsons this afternoon to let them have a quick look at it, now all ive got to do is make the fecking car do it bad enough for one the monkey service blokes to recognise it.....!
wish me luck!
S
BeezerDiesel
13-05-2003, 13:36
Hint: call 'em Monkeys AFTER they've had their paws on your motor not before!!!!
:D
Originally posted by Jon TDI
Is there anyway known problems or anything I need to lookout for on this model?
Cheers,
Jon
Know its a bit late but welcome on.
You shouldn't have many problems just one stupid annoying problem (which I still remember from my '98 GT TDI) which is the rear window washer tube (kept on coming off).
I had the beeza for 3 yrs and about 230000km.
Well guys i went to richardsons yesterday and thank god the technician was able to replicate it and he noticed it... i was sooo releived, they type of roads around the garage helped, smc in exeter is too flat.
Anyway they couldnt find any fault codes (as before) so he had to speak to the head technician the next day (wenesday) and they are going to call me... we will see... if not i will be phoning them.
But finally i might have the old 110 lump being put right, then the car will be a joy to drive.... then i will get the cd changer and uprate the speakers.
I will keep you posted on the results.
Stew
BeezerDiesel
14-05-2003, 16:04
Progress!
Yes it is a bit steep around Richardsons.:thumbsup:
kinghorna
09-06-2003, 03:49
Originally posted by Jon TDI
Yeah, my G60 was chipped & pulleyed to 190bhp & the G-lader was rebuilt, but the power band was around 3000-4500rpm.
With the TDI it's as low down as 1900rpm. Obviously, the G60 had more power further up the rev range, but by then the TDI is shifting up another gear & hitting that wave of torque again!
Seems as though I've got my first problem. The central locking wants to unlock itself (even though it's unlocked) when I'm on the move.
I can hear the actuator working away & the interior light comes on.
I've just booked it in the dealers to have a look at.
By the way, I got it from David Penman in Darlington. I'm based in the North East of England, near Middlesbrough.
Up the BORO:box:
I have a 110 sport ,copper metalic 17" alloys colour coded ,great car
orangesprout
11-06-2003, 08:06
You got my car?
Except i don't have the 17" wheels.
So there are more ginger mobeels out there !!
I'm not alone - you are part of a very select few.
(Rare colour - or colour blind !!)
;)
orangesprout
11-06-2003, 12:10
I'll get you Superted !!
at least i can't lose it in a car park - or the dark.
Tell you what though i got a set of mint OZ Super T alloys same as the Ibiza type r ,7x16 with great tyres £400 less than a year old ,look great on your car
Tell you what though i got a set of mint OZ Super T alloys same as the Ibiza type r ,7x16 with great tyres £400 less than a year old ,look great on your car
Alloys are not on the list of priorities....well not yet any way.
Just upgraded the rear speakers last week. 6x9's on a MDF acoustic shelf. Sounds fantastic.
Next on the list is a tuning box for a lit bit of extra oomph!
I quite like the standard 15" Sport alloys anyway.
Jon, what shelf did you get? and how much?
Jon, what shelf did you get? and how much?
I ordered it from Auto Acoustics. It's a flat MDF shelf matched exactly to the OEM shelf, pre-carpeted, holes are cut to your spec & covered with speaker grille cloth, painted black underneath, hinges & hangers included. Cost was £90 + £5 delivery. Very good quality & professional looking. The only thing I had to transfer from old to new shelf was the rubber sleeves on the hinges.
They also do Stealth Shelves which are contoured exactly to the OEM spec. On the Ibiza, the only difference between this & the flat shelf is the slight dip down at the front.
I let orange have a listen after I had installed the speakers to the shelf, and he was suitably impressed. So much in fact, that he has just ordered the same shelf.
Cool. ive just bought a cd changer for mine, so will probably want to upgrade the speakers soon but money is a major prob at the moment.
Im also gonna get some Ibiza Cupra alloys for it, should look a bit better, as they are wider, larger diameter (16" rather than 15") and have lower profile tyres on.... mmm nice.
Cool. ive just bought a cd changer for mine, so will probably want to upgrade the speakers soon but money is a major prob at the moment.
Yeah, the rear speakers are crap IMO. Fronts are not too bad. I have set the fader to the rears a couple of notches as they can handle a bit more power now.
As I have never driven one of these car's are they fast?
What sort of car would you compare the speed to?
What car's have you all beaten in races? (Not that you should race fast on the road ;))
Logic, it all depends on what you mean by fast, yes it does pull very well indeed, and can seem quite fast, but ultimatly its never going to be that fast as its only a 110 engine, the 130 is much better and a chipped cupra R will be the fastest.........
Comparing it to something else is difficult, as its quite a unique car, (small hatch with what was a high power TDI lump in) so im struggling with what to compare it to.....
Aint raced anything in mine, as i drive round 'them there' country roads all the time to work and around devon so all i meet is tractors (not much competition :D ) and people driving old diesels and land rovers! he he
Wouldnt really want to race anything other than some crappy cars, as it really isnt that fast.. its fairly average. as a comparison i was suprised to hear that the 130, and even a chipped 130 would have trouble with a Clio 172 and a 120bhp Saxo VTS....... disappointing.
Although my dad has had a race in his golf TDI against a Kev in a Renault 5 GT Turbo with all the max power crap on it and won easily, but as we discussed its all down to driver ability, as me and my dad have had race driver training for 2 days at thruxton we know how to set the car up for the corners and how to take them properly, including braking and gearing and the Kev knew nothing, by burning down into corners and braking through the corner and not taking a racing line...... tsk amateurs!:lol2:
So its down to your skill as to what u can beat... and obviously car power does help some though!
Totally agree with Stew.
You're not gonna win against most hot hatches at traffic light grand prixs. The TDI engine is all about torque & in gear acceleration.
For example, my previous car was a VW Corrado G60 modded to 190BHP & 190 lb/ft @ 3500rpm. My 110 TDI is 110BHP & 173lb/ft @1900 rpm. The fact that you have nearly the full amount of the G60's torque at lower down the rev range, makes it feel quicker. If I was to compare both cars from a standstill the Corrado will win hands down.
Out on the road, whilst driving you will surprise a lot of hot hatches & 'performance' cars. I've done a fair few track days in my previous cars & this helps with 'car control'. I am still trying to adjust my driving style to shift up quicker ie, not hold onto the revs.
Cars that I have 'suprised' so far are as follows:-
Citroen Saxo VTR
Honda CRX VTi(last shape)
BMW 320
VW Golf GTI (Mk2 8V)
MG ZR
There's one thing I will say though- It's one thing driving fast (anybody can do that), but it's another thing driving fast & safely.
Cheers for the info.
I am not buying this car to go out and race but I don't want to make myself look stupid by having some fun when some little boy in a 1.4 saxo with a body kit on it try's to race. :)
You won't have a problem with the Max Muppets;)
orangesprout
12-06-2003, 13:36
Let's just say that the beezer 110 TDi is a fast little motor and very under rated.
Mines enhanced slightly and is quicker than 130 TDi PD golf's
Have kept up with an Audi S3 on motorway untill we broke into 3 figures, I backed off as I don't like driving that fast.
Very suprising. Apparently Chipped 110 is a fast as civic VTi.
You got to remember it weighs just over a ton while golfs weighs in at 1.5 tons.
Power to weight ratio definitely in your favour.
:devil:
Deffo agree with orangesprout. I had the '98 version which was designated GT TDI. Excellent car as well as being extremely quick.
BeezerDiesel
13-06-2003, 04:39
These things are 'real world' quick, a bit like Golf GTI's of old, where the power is significant but not great, but matches the handling and gearing so they can be driven briskly without you living on your nerves like some high revving Trev-mobiles.
If you're going to drive flat out all the time and use all the revs most of the time you won't appreciate the things, you've got to adapt your driving style.
Because of the torque you can often be doing a lot more than you would think speed-wise, but when 'enhanced' it's a whole new ball game!
'Useable' performance is the way to think about it.
kinghorna
13-06-2003, 04:41
:cheers: Yeeeehhhhh there's someone else up:crowd: :dance1: :dance2: :dj: lets have a party
BeezerDiesel
13-06-2003, 04:44
Not for long I hope!
Day's only a few hours old and it's already been crap (FRI 13th!!!)
kinghorna
13-06-2003, 04:45
can't be as bad as mine, I've been at work for all 5hours of it.
1 hour left to go
BeezerDiesel
13-06-2003, 04:48
Me too just got home!
No sooner had it passed Midnight and things started to go pearshaped!
Had one Van breakdown on the Airport runway, a 'plane go 'tech' and a late train to mess connections up!
kinghorna
13-06-2003, 04:49
OK you win.
I may have been at work all night but i have spent most of that on here
BeezerDiesel
13-06-2003, 04:51
Just look forward to that drive home!
kinghorna
13-06-2003, 04:52
I always do cos there is not may cars around at that time of day:car: