View Full Version : Guaging Interest : 1.8 T kit - RHD - GT28XX (feedback welcome)
Ok guys,I am getting ready to release this kit but before I do this,
I would like to get at least 5 guaranteed members who would be willing to pay a deposit on the following:
* CAST manifold
* GT28XX turbocharger (internally gated)
* 3" Downpipe
* Oil & Coolant line kit
* Inlet & outlet kit for the compressor housing
Software can be provided by your local custom tuner.
wild willy
19-10-2008, 10:27
You've been busy :). Do you have a rough guide as to retail cost before people commit.
Yeah would need to know cost, expected power etc. before committing, plus I'd have to sell the SEM as well.
ibizacupra
19-10-2008, 19:35
...... plus I'd have to sell the SEM as well.
why?
how do you work that out?
:confused: :rolleyes:
To be able to afford the turbo kit!
Well then you are not allowed one so I am going to ignore your posts from here on out :lol:
Realistically speaking we are looking @ 2000US + shipping to the UK for the entire hardware kit.
good enough?
The more you post stuff like this the more I hate you:p
Only joking, I'm sure you'll get alot of interest in this.
I would love to do this but not just now.
$2000 = £1145 for a GT28RS (?) turbo kit!!!
Your 3" downpipe, is this a complete downpipe including a CAT or a pipe to link to an existing DP, like the CTS kit?
http://www.ctsturbo.com/images/products/1.8t-btkit.jpg
wild willy
20-10-2008, 09:38
Any deals on injectors and will this kit fit the 6 speed gear box versions.
wild willy
23-10-2008, 21:05
Will the manifold be top or underside turbo mount.
My guess its gonna be top mount. ;)
depending on the price plus other parts needed i could be intested
Martin M
23-10-2008, 22:46
I could also be interested in this! What power output would it be roughly?
Details will be coming shortly.I am playing a balancing act here :D
At that price it will be a big seller, no doubt, big turbo kit in the UK are all around the £5k mark (yes $10,000!!!!)! If it offers around 310-320bhp then it's a winner. :D
jamiebennett81
24-10-2008, 10:14
if only I had known about this 6 months ago or if it had been on offer then! doh!
well unfortunately I can't change now due to having spent so much money on this gt2x setup!
Me too, I'd have had it in a heartbeat when my turbo blew and manifold cracked. Mind you, I could probably raise enough by selling my current setup! ;)
Martin M
30-10-2008, 23:05
Any news on this please?
yes yes
just need time to post it up
jamiebennett81
31-10-2008, 08:50
yes yes
just need time to post it up
sorry Issam
we are a demanding bunch:)
saying you have modifications coming is like waving a red rag to a bull:D
Some of us are patient..................
sorry Issam
we are a demanding bunch:)
saying you have modifications coming is like waving a red rag to a bull:D
So I have heard.
Some of us are patient..................
Good things come to those who wait :D
How are you guys getting a coolant return from the turbocharger?
How are you guys getting a coolant return from the turbocharger?
In my case, ATP supplied line.
In my case, GT2X is oil-cooled only so return line isn't there anymore, the coolant line just goes down to the block.
I'm seriously considering selling my SEM, turbo, manifold, etc. in order to go for your kit, I'll make way more power with a GT28 turbo over anything I have right now.
What turbo is with this kit, you wrote GT28XX - will it be a GT28RS?
In my case, GT2X is oil-cooled only so return line isn't there anymore, the coolant line just goes down to the block.
I'm seriously considering selling my SEM, turbo, manifold, etc. in order to go for your kit, I'll make way more power with a GT28 turbo over anything I have right now.
What turbo is with this kit, you wrote GT28XX - will it be a GT28RS?
Coolant rises with heat,the fitting in the block is the feed for the turbocharger,not the return Rob :D
Do you guys have the rubber pipe that crosses over the front cover?I hate that...
GT28XX just means GT2860 and GT2871R
both options will be available.
Also going to be releasing the Rotrex supercharger kits soon for the MKIII guys that do not want AC.Fun little 350hp kits;)
My coolant return is a braided pipe with a barbed fitting at the end. I cut the rubber pipe beside #1 end of the head to insert the barbed fitting.
Ah right, I have no return at all then, it just goes from the block to the same place DPJ said.
Martin M
31-10-2008, 15:54
yes yes
just need time to post it up
sorry for being a pain, but being back on a stock turbo is boring!:cry:
My coolant return is a braided pipe with a barbed fitting at the end. I cut the rubber pipe beside #1 end of the head to insert the barbed fitting.
Picture?
Picture?
The one running to 2 o'clock across the picture. It has a barbed fitting on the end.
You can also see the feed hanging below.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/DPJ/GT28RS%20Install/P1010013-1.jpg
And that goes into the rubber hose that goes over the front of the valve cover.Ok
exact same as the US market
Good news, looks like I'll be able to keep the SEM when I go for a bigger turbo, so the two should work well together. :)
Awesome Rob,
I will be showing off my goodies shortly....hold tight.
wild willy
18-11-2008, 08:34
Awesome Rob,
I will be showing off my goodies shortly....hold tight.
:blink: erm can you show us your turbo kit too.;)
Sam, i'll be on MSN tonight for a chat. :)
Any updates yet, am definately interested in a kit along with a set of 19mm rods?
Rob,just finishing up the downpipes.
Finished building the engine stand yesterday as you know I love show casing my parts on a nice pretty stand.The UK crowd is not going to be disappointed.Forget you push lock garbage...we got a permanent solution.
wild willy
05-12-2008, 19:22
Sam, youre such a tease.
looking forward to your creation. Will this set up be friendly for stock Rods and hit us with some spool up time stats.:)
well I have come to realise that the UK market is very "different" to the rest of the world.You guys are more concerned with making the vehicle handle rather than powerful.The kit will start with a GT2860RS as the basic unit and then move up in size from there.I think that would be enough given the nature of your builds.
I would only use rods in a GT30XX application.Some users have broken rods with a GT2871R but they are few and far between.
I think the handling thing comes down to our roads and tracks, they are far more tight, twisty and undulating than anything found in the US, so brakes and handling are more important than outright power.
So rods are not required for the GT2860RS kit then, what sort of power are you expecting, around 330bhp?
jamiebennett81
06-12-2008, 11:11
I think the handling thing comes down to our roads and tracks, they are far more tight, twisty and undulating than anything found in the US, so brakes and handling are more important than outright power.
So rods are not required for the GT2860RS kit then, what sort of power are you expecting, around 330bhp?
Rob, are you sure you would want that kit? I think on the road the difference there would not be that much difference between the GT2860rs and the gt2x. There would be difference of course (top end), but in terms of spending a load of cash for a gain of 30-40bhp or so, I would want more power for my money.....just a thought
why not go GT28 or TD05 16g?
I think there would be an appreciable difference in performance on the road between a pukka GT2860RS and an eliminator GTRS, never mind the comparison with a GT2X.
jamiebennett81
06-12-2008, 13:19
what is the advantage of the gt2860rs? quicker spool times and what power can be extracted from this unit, compared to going td05 16g or gt28701 or gt30?
GT2860RS is rated to 350bhp, much bigger and better turbo than a GT2X, ball-bearing so fast spool too yes, will be easy to swap it out for a GT2871R or bigger for 400bhp+ at a later date too.
jamiebennett81
06-12-2008, 16:02
GT2860RS is rated to 350bhp, much bigger and better turbo than a GT2X, ball-bearing so fast spool too yes, will be easy to swap it out for a GT2871R or bigger for 400bhp+ at a later date too.
why not go straight to gt28 though now, as you are doing the internals? save cost of the installation and mapping all over again?
If I can afford to I will, just have to bear in mind that buying rods and having them installed will be around £850 on top of any turbo kit.
jamiebennett81
06-12-2008, 16:07
If I can afford to I will, just have to bear in mind that buying rods and having them installed will be around £850 on top of any turbo kit.
an extra expenditure now, but will save you money in the long run as the kit will be in, and staying in:)
Indeed yes, I may have the rods done now then wait until I have enough for a GT2871R kit.
Indeed yes, I may have the rods done now then wait until I have enough for a GT2871R kit.
Only thing Rob, head has to come of to do the rods (as you know) so it's a shame not to install the new exhaust manifold when it goes back on.......
Yep, I should really wait and do it all at once - but my impatience gets the better of me and I'll end up just buying the GT2860RS kit without rods - would still be great though!
jamiebennett81
06-12-2008, 17:08
Yep, I should really wait and do it all at once - but my impatience gets the better of me and I'll end up just buying the GT2860RS kit without rods - would still be great though!
wait Rob, just wait.....:)
Yep, I should really wait and do it all at once - but my impatience gets the better of me and I'll end up just buying the GT2860RS kit without rods - would still be great though!
Go the GT2871R....I am not going to sell you the GT2860RS after seeing your engine bay.:D
I really hope this fits the ibiza..
wild willy
07-12-2008, 11:22
350bhp gt28rs with small a/r will be more than what 90% of the drivers on this forum can handle regardless of getting carried away on a keyboard. 300bhp can cause brown trouser moments so 350 bhp is sublime. My 2pence and i'll take the flaming unless your track orientated 400bhp plus is a joke surely. Only one way that will end......... in tears.
Long staright roads in America etc is a different ball game, in this country you'll ruin a good ride.
Don't use you tubby as a co*k substitute.
Go the GT2871R....I am not going to sell you the GT2860RS after seeing your engine bay.:D
:lol:
350bhp gt28rs with small a/r will be more than what 90% of the drivers on this forum can handle regardless of getting carried away on a keyboard. 300bhp can cause brown trouser moments so 350 bhp is sublime. My 2pence and i'll take the flaming unless your track orientated 400bhp plus is a joke surely. Only one way that will end......... in tears.
Long staright roads in America etc is a different ball game, in this country you'll ruin a good ride.
Don't use you tubby as a co*k substitute.
I sort of agree with you, but if I could afford to do it (rods etc) I'd have the 71R any day
I have to agree and is the same as my thinking TBH, a GT2860RS will most likely be ample for me without killing myself or losing my license.
jamiebennett81
07-12-2008, 16:49
I have to agree and is the same as my thinking TBH, a GT2860RS will most likely be ample for me without killing myself or losing my license.
what are the different spool times between the GT2860rs and the GT2871?
gt2860rs good for 350bhp max?
gt2871r good for 400bhp max?
makes me wonder now, that if the extra power from the gt2871r is worth it if the gt2860rs offers much better spool times.....but I dont see this turbo that talked about on this forum, normally it's the TD** variants or the gt28/30 that I see......or maybe that is just my perception:blink:
The GT2871R is what Backdraft use on their 400bhp race car and in their 400bhp kits, the GT2860RS is used in the APR stage 3 kits for around 340bhp. Backdraft say their GT2860RS makes around 360bhp at 1.4 BAR of boost!
I've never been one for chasing big numbers, I'm after fast reponse and quick spool for around the 330bhp mark - ideal!
jamiebennett81
07-12-2008, 17:07
The GT2871R is what Backdraft use on their 400bhp race car and in their 400bhp kits, the GT2860RS is used in the APR stage 3 kits for around 340bhp. Backdraft say their GT2860RS makes around 360bhp at 1.4 BAR of boost!
I've never been one for chasing big numbers, I'm after fast reponse and quick spool for around the 330bhp mark - ideal!
I would not feel happy with a gt2860rs running at 360bhp....thats on it's limit surely?
just looked at BDMS website, and they state the kit running at 325 @ 6400rpm
for me, its not a big enough jump from what I am running at the moment, in terms of taking out all the old kit and installing the new kit, when I could go bigger with similar spool times and get higher performance from my car......but that is just my personal opinion:)
1.4 BAR isn't big boost to put through a GT2860RS turbo, to make 325 it must only use 1.2 BAR or something.
It all boils down to cash - will cost alot more to get rods in and go for 400bhp than settle for 330-340bhp - I'm more budget driven than number driven, such is life.
jamiebennett81
07-12-2008, 17:24
1.4 BAR isn't big boost to put through a GT2860RS turbo, to make 325 it must only use 1.2 BAR or something.
It all boils down to cash - will cost alot more to get rods in and go for 400bhp than settle for 330-340bhp - I'm more budget driven than number driven, such is life.
very true
although with my car running near 100k now, I think internals will be a good idea anyway when I go for more power
although still I have not narrowed it down, gt2860rs, gt2871r or TD06 16g
You need to look at graphs to look at the shape of the curve and particularly spool, rather than just talk about numbers. I think you'll be suprised by the "bigger" turbos.
I find compressor maps hard to understand!!!
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2860RS_739548_1.htm
"Ideal for smaller displacement engines making up to 360 hp"
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2871R_743347_1.htm
"Ideal for smaller displacement engines making up to 400 hp"
wild willy
07-12-2008, 18:52
I would not feel happy with a gt2860rs running at 360bhp....thats on it's limit surely?
just looked at BDMS website, and they state the kit running at 325 @ 6400rpm
for me, its not a big enough jump from what I am running at the moment, in terms of taking out all the old kit and installing the new kit, when I could go bigger with similar spool times and get higher performance from my car......but that is just my personal opinion:)
same turbo but in two a/r trim levels...... 325bhp low A/R but fast spool, 360 bhp high a/r slower spool but higher bhp output up the rev range. both gt28rs.
325bhp with 0.64 a/r i think for me all day. Shouldn't need rods as long as torque is kept under control.
As the Pirrelli advert said..... power is nothing without control.
wild willy
07-12-2008, 19:02
1.4 BAR isn't big boost to put through a GT2860RS turbo, to make 325 it must only use 1.2 BAR or something.
It all boils down to cash - will cost alot more to get rods in and go for 400bhp than settle for 330-340bhp - I'm more budget driven than number driven, such is life.
It'll need 1.4 bar ish to make those figures, same boost levels are needed between turbos to achieve same levels of power but compressor efficiency will be higher and less work done by engine so more power per psi but not as much more as i first thought. (if my memory of Wilkos explanation is still good).
Its not just the power and driveability to consider with the 400bhp turbos its the maintenance as well. how many guys on here running inexcess of 350bhp have reliable cars..... i haven't read of any, clutch, gearbox, driveshaft, manifolds, turbo exhaust housings all spring to mind.
wild willy
07-12-2008, 19:08
very true
although with my car running near 100k now, I think internals will be a good idea anyway when I go for more power
although still I have not narrowed it down, gt2860rs, gt2871r or TD06 16g
Under those circumstances Rods are a good idea. gt2871r would be
good but go low a/r and keep boost sensible
Yeah, the higher you go the more issues are likely to arise. The fast-spooling 325bhp version of the GT2860RS sounds perfect for me, I want my car to remain fun to drive, not scary or dangerous with major traction issues. Swapping the turbo out (or swapping to the larger A/R version) for a bigger one will be alot easier too - if I wanted to do that along with rods, further down the line.
I've driven a 340bhp GT2860RS Mk2 Leon and in all honesty it didn't feel much quicker than my car with the hybrid GT2X (heavier car I know), bhp isn't the full story out on the road.
If I were to buy one of these GT2860 kits, what else would I need apart from a front mount to achieve a reliable 300bhp.
I've driven a 340bhp GT2860RS Mk2 Leon and in all honesty it didn't feel much quicker than my car with the hybrid GT2X (heavier car I know), bhp isn't the full story out on the road.
Then 2871R it is.
If I were to buy one of these GT2860 kits, what else would I need apart from a front mount to achieve a reliable 300bhp.
We will be selling the complete kit with the cross over pipe for the intercooler.You will need the larger MAF housing and a custom tune.Other than that nothing more I can think of.
Super, I might just have one of these kits off you.
Thats fine,
Good things come to those who are patient.When I produce a product I make sure it is perfect first.
wild willy
07-12-2008, 21:41
Do you think you'll have chance to unvail it before christmas.
Do you think you'll have chance to unvail it before christmas.
My target is to reveal the entire e-shop with all my "kits" on JAN01/2009
I have 22 days (counting christmas) to get everything done.Its just been tough as everything is piling up,delays here...delays there.
So if you have Christmas money then save it....2009 is going to be a good year for everyone.
jamiebennett81
07-12-2008, 22:00
I've driven a 340bhp GT2860RS Mk2 Leon and in all honesty it didn't feel much quicker than my car with the hybrid GT2X (heavier car I know), bhp isn't the full story out on the road.
Then 2871R it is.
We will be selling the complete kit with the cross over pipe for the intercooler.You will need the larger MAF housing and a custom tune.Other than that nothing more I can think of.
thats what I was thinking Issam:confused:
haven't you answered your own question then Rob? the GT2860rs kit will not be enough if you did not really notice the difference which is a point I touched on a while back, to go through the entire cost of the install to be disappointed, when for the same cost you could go for the GT2871 and get more bang for your buck:blink: (seeing as you are doing internals as well)
haven't you answered your own question then Rob?
In times like these we must help Rob make up his mind.He knows what he wants....we just have to help him along the way:D
As said already, if I can afford to I will go GT2871R with rods, but it's all down to what money I have enough for! ;) But you're right, going small A/R GT2860RS probably isn't enough of a step up over what I have already and not worth doing.
Issam, what are you doing with regards to the RHD manifold, do you have one to work off? I should be able to take pics and measurements this week for you.
As said already, if I can afford to I will go GT2871R with rods, but it's all down to what money I have enough for! ;) But you're right, going small A/R GT2860RS probably isn't enough of a step up over what I have already and not worth doing.
Issam, what are you doing with regards to the RHD manifold, do you have one to work off? I should be able to take pics and measurements this week for you.
I have a manifold,downpipe system that will work based on alot of the data provided to me by some of you.The brake boost is really not that big of an issue.
To cast up a completely new RHD manifold is not feasible @ this time given the demand.
I am sure what I have will work
ibizacupra
08-12-2008, 08:50
and the rear engine mount for those not running leons?
and the rear engine mount for those not running leons?
Will clear it fine.
jamiebennett81
08-12-2008, 11:16
I find compressor maps hard to understand!!!
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2860RS_739548_1.htm
"Ideal for smaller displacement engines making up to 360 hp"
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2871R_743347_1.htm
"Ideal for smaller displacement engines making up to 400 hp"
if they had laid over the RPM on those graphs, I could understand it better with where the turbo starts to surge
I will see if I can dig out the link I found on explaining surging etc and how those graphs work for you Rob....
EDIT: here you go Rob http://www.ztechz.net/id7.html
anybody has the turbo outlet to intercooler piping that you want to sell? Dealership in UK has no idea what I am talking about....
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Pugzee206/PICT0094.jpg
(pipe crossing over the valve cover)
if they had laid over the RPM on those graphs, I could understand it better .......................
But rpm is dependent on specific application Tony, not the turbo..... ;)
jamiebennett81
15-12-2008, 09:38
But rpm is dependent on specific application Tony, not the turbo..... ;)
specific application you mean the CC and car in question?
specific application you mean the CC and car in question?
Specific engine/ cc /head / valves / cams /manifold etc.
jamiebennett81
15-12-2008, 09:46
Specific engine/ cc /head / valves / cams /manifold etc.
true:)
but I guess can give a generic idea of the size and possible lag involved, or at least gives a guide to a turbo being too big for your car?
...
but I guess can give a generic idea of the size and possible lag involved, or at least gives a guide to a turbo being too big for your car?
What do you mean? :confused:
jamiebennett81
15-12-2008, 09:59
What do you mean? :confused:
the turbo guide, explaining surging can give a generic idea if a turbo is too large and would be too laggy or what surging is and the effect it has i.e. surging is bought on from fitting too larger turbo to your car, if that makes sense, sorry
the turbo guide, explaining surging can give a generic idea if a turbo is too large and would be too laggy or what surging is and the effect it has i.e. surging is bought on from fitting too larger turbo to your car, if that makes sense, sorry
No, you were on about overlaying rpm over compressor maps.
Originally Posted by tony2gay4u
if they had laid over the RPM on those graphs, I could understand it better .......................
anybody has the turbo outlet to intercooler piping that you want to sell? Dealership in UK has no idea what I am talking about....
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Pugzee206/PICT0094.jpg
(pipe crossing over the valve cover)
The standard pipe? You want the part number so you can order one? Ill dig mine out the garage if you want to get the number off.
Yes I need one here to make this as complete plug and play as possible.
beattie17
16-12-2008, 19:45
Ive got one id be quite happy to swap for a large port insulator gasket?
C'mon Issam, you not going to temp us with some teaser pics of your upcoming turbo kits!?!
I'd be interested in one of these kits as an option for my car. My turbo has just gone unfortunately but it would now be an ideal time to upgrade! I'd be looking for a reliable 325bhp if thats possible but I don't really know too much about big turbos and all the associated stuff, just what I've been reading on these forums. Can anyone give me any advice as to whats best to go for? :)
Cant show teasers Unless I get that damn intercooler piping here asap!
Rob & crew give me a hand lads!
What do you need help with? This site shows Leon/Ibiza etc. parts and part numbers if that helps?
http://www.vagcat.com/
jamiebennett81
17-12-2008, 10:11
I think its from one of these two pictures?
http://www.vagcat.com/p/B238/145800.png
Pipe number 17 on this?
http://www.vagcat.com/p/B238/145750.png
#17 second picture
Part # por favor?
jamiebennett81
17-12-2008, 12:32
#17 second picture
Part # por favor?
here is the part list....however 17 is stated as a shift rod coupling:blink:
Partlist:
charge air cooler / 1.8ltr. / AQX,AYP
intake connection
/
(1) 6K0145805C
charge air cooler
/
2 1L0145349
sleeve
/
3 867129669
grommet
B8,1X24X1,5 /
4 N 01100624
hexagonal nut
M6 /
5 N 0152761
washer
6X12X1,6 /
6 6K0820841A
12 point socket (combi.)
/
7 N 01021710
hexagonal head bolt / see illustration:
M6X20 825-10 /
9 N 90656201
spring-type clip
/
10 6K0145834E
shift rod coupling
/
11 6K0145840AD
pressure hose
60X12 /
12 6K0145838
pressure hose
/
13 N 10296001
pipe clip
75X12 /
14 1J0145834A
pressure hose
/
15 6K0145770N
air pipe
/
16 6K0145834D
shift rod coupling
/
17 6K0145840L
pressure hose
/
18 N 90656101
spring-type clip
65X12 /
19 6K0145832
pressure hose
/
20 N 90781601
spring-type clip
60X12 /
21 867129669
grommet
M6 /
22 1L0145349
sleeve
/
23 N 01100624
hexagonal nut
M6 /
24 038906051
thrust sensor
/
25 N 90172001
oval head panel screw
5X22 /
26 N 90563801
round seal
13,94X2,62 /
27 6K0145764C
support plate
/
28 6K0145867
here is the part list....however 17 is stated as a shift rod coupling:blink:
17 6K0145840L
pressure hose
You're misreading the list, Jamie - it has colour bands.
Product #, then description....... ;)
jamiebennett81
17-12-2008, 12:37
You're misreading the list, Jamie - it has colour bands.
Product #, then description....... ;)
ah right ok, thanks:)
hope that helps anyway Issam
ive got one here. can send it today....
send me a PP request
sales@inaengineering.com
lets get this show on the road asap.
jamiebennett81
27-12-2008, 00:08
any update on this one yet.....
:D
any update on this one yet.....
:D
1 thing @ a time,new products are now starting to roll out i.e. Oil pan & Supercharger kit.
I will keep developing products as long as there is a market for it.
Issam, this is your upcoming website yes?
http://www.inaengineering.com/
hmm im interested in this but my car is not vag its another breed with the 225 engine fitted so some parts will be different as its been a custom build by Reyland motorsport however most parts should be fine ,would you be interested in selling a part kit?
Dave
Nothing on Issam's website yet, I'm guessing nothing will happen until Monday the 5th and beyond.
Website should have launched while I was away but it did not....not happy about that right now so I am going to spend the week dealing with it and finding out what my money is being wasted on.....
DaveV6 - I would be interested in selling a part kit if you are interested in posting pictures for the masses to drool over :D
Send me an email for further details.
That's a shame, hopefully it will be up soon to see what goodies you have on offer!
Website should have launched while I was away but it did not....not happy about that right now so I am going to spend the week dealing with it and finding out what my money is being wasted on.....
DaveV6 - I would be interested in selling a part kit if you are interested in posting pictures for the masses to drool over :D
Send me an email for further details.
ok leave it with me .Ill get some advice see what i need and then be in touch.
Dave
iabed@inaengineering.com
I can host the images for you as well...
Any updates yet on your turbo kits or website?
jamiebennett81
06-01-2009, 16:50
Any updates yet on your turbo kits or website?
:lol:
your as impatient as me:D
best hurry up, BDMS kit is getting more appealing by the day;)
I am sure Sammy will come up with the goods though:)
been waiting for the intercooler cross over pipe from HOOCH which has not showed up as yet....
worst case scenario I take pics without it.
Website should go live today...
REALLY!!!!!
was sent on 18th i think...
jamiebennett81
06-01-2009, 20:56
been waiting for the intercooler cross over pipe from HOOCH which has not showed up as yet....
worst case scenario I take pics without it.
Website should go live today...
seems unavailable at the moment :(
Ok need some input from some of the users looking into this kit.
As of right now the Seat Leon kit is completed.The Seat Ibiza downpipe is too tight with the rear motor mount bracket and I simply do not like it....it will hinder peformance.
So either I:
* Cast a new manifold specifically for Seat Ibiza's
* Remake the rear motor mount bracket & provide that with the engine mount
* Go with a top mount manifold and wrap the downpipe around the manifold and in between the manifold and rear motor mount bracket
feed back and input welcome...
Casting a new mani especially for Ibiza im sure would be the preference, even more if it is top mount, but the extra cost of it to you pushing the cost of the kit up would defeat most peoples expectations of a cheap but good kit.
Remaking the rear mount bracket limits peoples mount choice to your own which might not be what they want.
If it is an already available top mount mani that will fit it sounds the best option as cost wise to produce for you it should be cheaper which should help keep the kit price low. Only if the downpipe isnt a compromise though. Downpipe needs to be 3 inch or as close as possible to it with a nice shape for flow which ever option you choose.
show us what you have so far then
Yeah, get the kit out!
We all love 'work in progress' threads, so let's see the Leon kits and where you're at with the Ibiza stuff, there are plenty of guys here who have fitted big turbo kits to Ibizas.
Come on issam, you know i got something to sort this out ready to be made.... ;)
Come on issam, you know i got something to sort this out ready to be made.... ;)
Oh I know Phil ;)
To start a casting investment is $15,000+
would it be worth my investment?
jamiebennett81
09-01-2009, 19:40
Oh I know Phil ;)
To start a casting investment is $15,000+
would it be worth my investment?
if it's that much then prob yes, whats that, about 10k
if you sold turbo kits for half the price that we get stung for over here, then I would imagine on this forum you would get that investment back very quickly as you would be very popular with all the Ibiza boys:D
To start a casting investment is $15,000+
would it be worth my investment?
I'm not sure it would be especially if its only recoupable from Ibiza drivers. I would be surprised if you sold enough units in the first year or maybe even two to make you £s back.
Thats alot of money to recoup from a car that they stopped making 4 years ago.
I wouldn't go to that length of hastle and expense.
jamiebennett81
09-01-2009, 20:30
I'm not sure it would be especially if its only recoupable from Ibiza drivers. I would be surprised if you sold enough units in the first year or maybe even two to make you £s back.
even if the kits were ALOT loss than the packages sold in the UK?
If you capitalise a casting over it's useful life (say 3yrs MAX) then work out the landed cost of the manifold in the USA (because you will need to make it in the Far East) - the material cost will be bugger all really.
So let's speculate some numbers.
$15,000 CI
Landed Unit Cost $100 (generous)
You'd have to sell 75 Manifolds (@ $300) before you break even, and maybe 150 before you see a decent return (and then the mould fails)
I couldn't get my business to sign that off based on the likely rate of return / margin per year. But we all have different models, but assuming you're not INA engineering (registered charity) I wouldn't wanna pay for a casting
jamiebennett81
09-01-2009, 20:36
If you capitalise a casting over it's useful life (say 3yrs MAX) then work out the landed cost of the manifold in the USA (because you will need to make it in the Far East) - the material cost will be bugger all really.
So let's speculate some numbers.
$15,000 CI
Landed Unit Cost $100 (generous)
You'd have to sell 75 Manifolds (@ $300) before you break even, and maybe 150 before you see a decent return (and then the mould fails)
I couldn't get my business to sign that off based on the likely rate of return / margin per year. But we all have different models, but assuming you're not INA engineering (registered charity) I wouldn't wanna pay for a casting
:) - point well made
even if the kits were ALOT loss than the packages sold in the UK?
Yes. How many big turbo Ibizas do you think have been done in the last year and how many of those were done at the usual jabba, jbs etc as drive in drive out because people dont know how to fit or dont want the hassle? Pretty big risk especially as mentioned above the mk3 isnt made anymore.
Given that Ibizas are catered for by JBS, Jabba, Backdraft, Bill, etc. I'd sat it's not worth it.
At least with the RHD Leon turbo kits you can also sell them to RHD Golf Mk4, Skoda Octavia vRS and TT 180 owners, a much bigger market.
jamiebennett81
09-01-2009, 20:45
At least with the RHD Leon turbo kits you can also sell them to RHD Golf Mk4, Skoda Octavia vRS and TT 180 owners, a much bigger market.
I dont believe they exist, these Leon kits:p
not seen anything yet....
The manifold that i've designed is designed with the RHD market in mind, and more so the ibiza but that doesnt say it couldnt be used on a LHD setup, thus making the manifold generic.
Wonder how many of that turbo kit Clay at CTS has sold after casting a new manifold for his turbo kit. For me, that kit could have been perfect for LHD and RHD cars, a proper eliminator as it bolts up to the original K03 downpipe, but the manifold put the turbo in the wrong position to get a decent clearance for mk2 **** rear mount and clearing the brake servo.
If i was designing a complete kit, i'd run with a top mount cast mani biased towards cylinder 4, with a cast downpipe elbow (like apr's one) that mated up to the OE k03 downpipe so you'd have a kit for all types of cars the world round.
Problem is Phil it sounds like he already has a mani that will fit everything apart from the ibiza so its extra cost just to include them. If it was a brand new tuner with no parts yet casting a new mani that covers everything fitment wise would be a no brainer obviously but this isnt the case.
id like to see pic of the mani he has with the dp he has made....see how bad it really is because im sure ive seen plently worse...
Wonder how many of that turbo kit Clay at CTS has sold after casting a new manifold for his turbo.
They didnt cast that manifold...;)
id like to see pic of the mani he has with the dp he has made....see how bad it really is because im sure ive seen plently worse...
I will take some pictures later on.
Still nothing yet m8? No website yet either?
Rob,
I know...;)
I will try and have some images for you guys shortly.
jamiebennett81
13-01-2009, 21:39
*Sighs*.........
:)
*Sighs*.........
:)
Come on mate
stuff is slowly trickling out....I definately have caused alot of people to be on there toes :lol:
Come on guys, give Issam a break?
I think he's under pressure on a lot of fronts and he will come up with the goods. I'd rather see him launch them complete, to his satisfaction and ready to distribute, rather than in a pressurised disorganised manner.
What's the rush! :)
True yes, my apologies Issam, just really keen to see what you've got coming out, but better to be spot on than rushed and ending up with no end of problems. I'll ask no more until Issam releases details in his own time.
jamiebennett81
14-01-2009, 09:38
True yes, my apologies Issam, just really keen to see what you've got coming out, but better to be spot on than rushed and ending up with no end of problems. I'll ask no more until Issam releases details in his own time.
agreed
sorry:whistle::redface:
Having said that, I see a little progress on the INA website today! :D
LOL
yes yes...its coming up
Please do not create any accounts or I will just keep your money and buy guiness with it.
perikolos
23-01-2009, 21:11
any more news?
any more news?
Still waiting on the intercooler pipe from the Cupra....
are you serious? that still hasnt turned up?
im not sure how i go about finding wherre it is.....
ive got about 50 post office invoives with all the stuff ive been selling...
jamiebennett81
24-01-2009, 09:55
I think if it has not turned up by now, we could safely assume it has been lost during transit :(
i do have another but its not good condition
I think if it has not turned up by now, we could safely assume it has been lost during transit :(
A surgeon in Guatemala is at this moment trying to work out how it's used during heart-bypass operations........
jamiebennett81
24-01-2009, 11:00
A surgeon in Guatemala is at this moment trying to work out how it's used during heart-bypass operations........
:lol::clap::roflmao:
perikolos
24-01-2009, 11:14
ok, but do you know if this kit will fit the mk4 ibiza? I have a ibiza FR from 2005 (pre-facelift and I`m thinking of a little upgrade ;). and thank you for the quick reply
A surgeon in Guatemala is at this moment trying to work out how it's used during heart-bypass operations........
bwahahahaaha
thats the same thing I was thinking.Worst case scenario I start from scratch which IS REALLY WHAT I DID NOT WANT TO DO...oh well.
wild willy
24-01-2009, 21:54
bwahahahaaha
thats the same thing I was thinking.Worst case scenario I start from scratch which IS REALLY WHAT I DID NOT WANT TO DO...oh well.
Why can't the ibiza guys just measure the dimentsions of the pipe ( ie overal length and distance from bends etc) and send them across to you. I haven't seen one of these pipes in the flesh but they can't be that complicated.:shrug:
None of the Ibiza guys got any pics of a 3" DP? No pics of a Backdraft one?
it is lol
This piece still has not showed up mate....Do you have a tracking #? it is holding up my show
i send loads of parcels. i will have a dig through my reciept to see if i can find it.
would i of need to request it to have a tracking number or can i only send to US with a tracking number?
send to both...shouldnt be an issue but i think it is safe to say that package is lost unless you sent it by boat.....
Someone send the poor guy a pipe, it's holding everything up - lol!
i have another one but no where near the condition of the 1st one.
if you cover postage its yours
i have another one but no where near the condition of the 1st one.
if you cover postage its yours
cover postage again!?
I didnt get the first one...
Anyone else have one?
i have another one but no where near the condition of the 1st one.
if you cover postage its yours
Did you get a tracking # mate?This is getting a bit ridiculous...I need the pipe.
UPDATE:
I have decided after much anticipation to not offer a cast manifold.The way the cast manifolds are right now,the initial cost is too much and I would rather make a universal kit for both the Leon & the Cupra rather than 2 separate kits.
I have started building a tubular manifold prototype which will find its way in the UK very soon.Cheaper for me to build 2 different downpipes than 2 different manifolds.
Oh...and it will be v-band
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd25/issamabed/HTAGT3076R.jpg
Also you might like these...
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd25/issamabed/BLACKBlanket.jpg
had a scroll through and cant find it but got a few more places to check.
had a scroll through and cant find it but got a few more places to check.
Some of the lads are taking pictures and measurements for me so that I can make it by itself...please get me that tracking #.
just found 21 invoices for parcels send in the last week in dec.
17 have tracking numbers and say “dest: uk”
im guessing i didnt get a tracking number for yours...?
well open an investigation?I dont have the tube...
i feel i have made a decent offer of another free pipe if you cover postage costs....
if i send it FOC then its cost me to give away 2 pipes...
i feel i have made a decent offer of another free pipe if you cover postage costs....
if i send it FOC then its cost me to give away 2 pipes...
Ok now put yourself in my shoes...
Say you ordered that manifold from me - I never provided you with a tracking # and 6 weeks later no manifold shows up.You are pissed because you want the manifold that you paid for and I say "ok,I will ship another one but all you have to do is pay the shipping".
How would you feel? Like you just got the finger? Right mate?
Get me a tracking # or the damn package...its that simple really.Find out where it is....
ill save you the hassle. have your money back
andycupra
01-03-2009, 20:37
h17och.
who did you send the parcel through?
ill save you the hassle you rude Wank3r. have your money back
:shrug:
How am I being rude? If I wanted my money back I would have asked nicely for it.I want the pipe to complete the turbo package.That is what I would like.
Ok I am back full steam ahead on this now that things have died down a little.Who wants kit?
Being lazy, and not looking back - do we have any images, or target prices? I might be interested shortly :)
ibizacupra
15-03-2009, 19:59
Ok I am back full steam ahead on this now that things have died down a little.Who wants kit?
nothing seen of this Sam..
you promised pictures of what you propose but not seen anything
nothing seen of this Sam..
you promised pictures of what you propose but not seen anything
Bill check your email.
jamiebennett81
15-03-2009, 23:34
I will do as soon as I have seen the kit, pictures and prices :)
I will do as soon as I have seen the kit, pictures and prices :)
sssssh;)
ibizacupra
16-03-2009, 08:24
Bill check your email.
I have
and........ :shrug:
:confused:
cuprachrissy
10-04-2009, 13:30
WTF is going on with this kit? sounds like everyone is just on a wild goose chase? are there any pics or not, and through reading this whole thread im interested in buying this kit. but sam your american literate sometimes comes over a bit rude. sorry just my opinion!
The MoffMeister
10-04-2009, 13:55
just wondered are you doing a log type of exhaust mani or a tubular type? sorry not reading 10 pages?
cuprachrissy
10-04-2009, 14:48
just wondered are you doing a log type of exhaust mani or a tubular type? sorry not reading 10 pages?
read 10 pages you lazy so and so :p
The MoffMeister
10-04-2009, 18:35
git lol
WTF is going on with this kit? sounds like everyone is just on a wild goose chase? are there any pics or not, and through reading this whole thread im interested in buying this kit. but sam your american literate sometimes comes over a bit rude. sorry just my opinion!
How so mate? can you PM me with any samples? I try my best to be nothing but respectful on this forum so please if you have an issue do not hesitate to bring it to my attention.
As for the turbo kit,I have been privately showing it to SCN members such as jamiebennett81 and others trying to get feedback before I release the product to the masses.
jamiebennett81
10-04-2009, 18:59
How so mate? can you PM me with any samples? I try my best to be nothing but respectful on this forum so please if you have an issue do not hesitate to bring it to my attention.
As for the turbo kit,I have been privately showing it to SCN members such as jamiebennett81 and others trying to get feedback before I release the product to the masses.
patience boys, the kit does look very good and will deliver what is expected:D
Do you know what price this kits going to come out at yet?
barnsley
10-04-2009, 20:37
How so mate? can you PM me with any samples? I try my best to be nothing but respectful on this forum so please if you have an issue do not hesitate to bring it to my attention.
As for the turbo kit,I have been privately showing it to SCN members such as jamiebennett81 and others trying to get feedback before I release the product to the masses.
not good for people with money to spend maybe some pictures of how far you have got would help them to wait abit longer
Do you know what price this kits going to come out at yet?
Going to try and keep pricing under 3000 USD for all the hardware.
not good for people with money to spend maybe some pictures of how far you have got would help them to wait abit longer
Understood mate but I am the kind of guy that does not release a product unless it is fully tested and ready to role.I do not want any issues long term so if it means I lose a sale then so be it but those who are patient will be rewarded ;)
barnsley
10-04-2009, 21:29
Going to try and keep pricing under 3000 USD for all the hardware.
Understood mate but I am the kind of guy that does not release a product unless it is fully tested and ready to role.I do not want any issues long term so if it means I lose a sale then so be it but those who are patient will be rewarded ;)
no probs know were your coming from but you dont have to release to tease ;)
no probs know were your coming from but you dont have to release to tease ;)
:lol:
I will see what I can cook up.On 1 hand I can do the kit really cheap but then I would not feel comfortable selling it as an INA product (i.e. using push lock fittings for oil lines etc) and on the other hand I want to use as much as the OEM parts as possible so right now it is a toss up.
cuprachrissy
26-04-2009, 12:21
anymore news?
jamiebennett81
09-05-2009, 10:28
any news?