View Full Version : what sort of things are you keeping up with and beating............
in a straight line with your revo/jabbasport software
this is mainly aimed at people with ibiza cupra's just to give me an idea of how fast they can be:)
krisc2000
28-06-2003, 18:28
(not a Cupra) but TDI 130 Revo'd....
Nailed a new Mini Cooper S.... :D
Have also found it possible to give an M3 (3 series) driver a surprise but he had me at top end...
Great for irritating the sh!t out top Vectra models (bolshy businessmen) & the like...
I have a superchip on my 20vt, exhaust, induction kit, forge dv. I am changing it for a jabbachip in the next 3-4 weeks booked in. Fiat 20vt are nice to have a go with it can go either way. Raced an evo 4 and 6 in a straight line from about 40-130mph nothing in it at these speeds, could be diff at others from a standing start wave goodbye and cornering.. Also raced a astra coupe 888 ltd edition, beat that. Also raced a boxster s, held it till 140mph then it pulled away. Raced custardcupra in his amd 20vt all even until 130mph then he comes past. We think this is down to the fact his amd chip still produces 13-14psi at 5500rpm where as my generic superchip is only giving 10psi at 5500rpm. Thats why i am going jabba hoping they can holder higher boost longer. Beaten clio cup, 306 rallye. Never raced a CTR but i hear that a revo user had trouble with one. Custardcupra has done a few of them. Beaten uk wrx bug eye scoob. Fiat 20vt coupe are prob my fave, very similar/good car to compare with i think. But someone will disagree.
mark sheerin
28-06-2003, 23:13
I dont disagree about the Fiat 20vt turbo coupe...got revo'd last tuesday..took fiat scalp wednesday....:D
the little software remap is earning its keep already:D
I was the fastest Cupra in Harrogate for 4 days..until Magnus Anderson had his Cupra R done...:(
slim_boy_fat
28-06-2003, 23:19
Again a tdi 130 and not Revo software but, the list stands at.
Genuine "your not getting past", "oh yes i am situations"
In order of the funniest most pissed off driver...
BMW X5 3.0d (He was fecking mega pissed off as in i am going to get a gun and hunt you down)
S-Class Merc 320CDI
BMW 320Ci
Escort RS Turbo (With fecking massiff loud exhaust)
Mini Cooper (really need to find an s to really test the car.
Golf GTI 1.8T
Punto GT
Golf GTi mk3(colour concept)
Seat Ibiza GTi (now he should have known better)
In my defence its not always me, all i want is for them to pull into the other lane to let me past ;)
slim_boy_fat
28-06-2003, 23:20
Originally posted by krisc2000
(not a Cupra) but TDI 130 Revo'd....
Nailed a new Mini Cooper S.... :D
Have also found it possible to give an M3 (3 series) driver a surprise but he had me at top end...
Great for irritating the sh!t out top Vectra models (bolshy businessmen) & the like...
Nice to see that you can take a cooper s...
BTW what other type of M3 is there?
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
BTW what other type of M3 is there?
There's one that goes from London to somewhere between Southampton and Bournemouth (and back) :clown:
At about 11pm las night gave a 160bhp rover mgf a good hammering. Let the car really go for it got to 145 mph and slowed down as the rover was disapearing very quickly. Last night outside temp was 11 dc. During the day up in cleveland the daytime temp has been 25dc average. The cooler temps made a big diff. I had no lag at all between gear changes, no hesitation it just wanted to go. So i really do believe the cooler the temp the better, i never thought it would make this much diff though.
Yep, whooped a Porsche Boxster, a V4Motion Golf, a GTI Turbo Golf, even kept up with a new M3 (to about 130)..... it's so funny when you can see 'em looking in the mirror all the time....haha.
I had a tussle with a Porsche Carrera4 too, but he also started pulling away at around 120ish.... great fun though, you could hear him banging it through the gears (lovely sound) to try & get away from the 'cheap' car!
All of this was driving down to Le Mans a couple of weeks ago....
I've been keeping it quiet in the UK so far.....
I find the Scooby and EVO boys are the best one to upset, they've spent years upsetting Porsches, M3s etc etc, then along comes a diesel and they can't get away! Best thing to have on the back of the car is 'Yes, you have been passed by a diesel and I'm doing over 45mpg' that would really rub salt in.
I've killed alot of stuff, most are diesels however (as that's what we've got in this country). In my Revo'd Toledo (TDI 150):
BMW 320d (many of the 136 & 150hp versions):D
BMW 323i/325i (up to 190km/hr or there abouts)
Vectra (2.2DTi)
Lagunas (all diesels as well)
A3/A4 (Mostly 130 tdis, but have done in a 180hp 2.5tdi twice).
Did give an S3 a run for it's money. Was looking good until I lost it on an off camber turn. :redface:
Originally posted by Madmile
Never raced a CTR but i hear that a revo user had trouble with one. Custardcupra has done a few of them. Beaten uk wrx bug eye scoob. Fiat 20vt coupe are prob my fave, very similar/good car to compare with i think. But someone will disagree.
erm I would disagree 0-60 in 6.5s, 0-100 in 14.5s 60-100 in 8s. you would not stand a chance in a straight line :confused:
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
Again a tdi 130 and not Revo software but, the list stands at.
Genuine "your not getting past", "oh yes i am situations"
In order of the funniest most pissed off driver...
BMW X5 3.0d (He was fecking mega pissed off as in i am going to get a gun and hunt you down)
S-Class Merc 320CDI
BMW 320Ci
Escort RS Turbo (With fecking massiff loud exhaust)
Mini Cooper (really need to find an s to really test the car.
Golf GTI 1.8T
Punto GT
Golf GTi mk3(colour concept)
Seat Ibiza GTi (now he should have known better)
In my defence its not always me, all i want is for them to pull into the other lane to let me past ;)
your really going to have to have a go with me :D
erm I would disagree 0-60 in 6.5s, 0-100 in 14.5s 60-100 in 8s. you would not stand a chance in a straight line
Thank you Vibrio!, the best 0 - 60 is 6 sec dead.
really think some of these guys in m3, boxter s, carrera 4 etc weren't trying hard, i really think if in correct gear you would be left for dead, i know i would be in my fiat coupe.
when you guys can do 0 - 100 in 14.5, and 60 - 100 8 secs, then you can tell me you kept up or beat a fiat coupe, i think there not really trying hard, there's noway you diesel boys, can keep up, with all that changing gear to get to 100, i think if you had a chance of driving a 20vt coupe, between 60 - 100 you would see what iam going on about.
dave
ANDY BLUNT
01-07-2003, 23:18
Had a play with a M3 (early one)when i was APRed ,stayed with him for a short distance then he pulled away slowly opening the gap.It was the second time i've played with this M3,last time i was in my old Jetta VR6 ,both times lost but not convincingly.I think it would be much more even now Revo'ed.Anyone know what the 0-100 time is on a Revo'ed Beeza.:cheers: Andy.
from 1/4 miles I recon around 17-18s
when you guys can do 0 - 100 in 14.5, and 60 - 100 8 secs, then you can tell me you kept up or beat a fiat coupe, i think there not really trying hard, there's noway you diesel boys, can keep up, with all that changing gear to get to 100 .
Only 3 gear changes between 0 and 100 for us diesel boys.
3rd and 4th gears are suprisingly long.
60-100 is this 4th gear acceleration ? if so I think you'll find the diesel torque copes very well with it and I would be suprised if I couldn't do it in 8 secs.
please do not be silly:p
a lotus exige does it in 7.6s
slim_boy_fat
02-07-2003, 10:04
Originally posted by vibrio
your really going to have to have a go with me :D
To be honest i am on the look out for 4 motions and Imprezas to beat now, not rollerskates.
I would be scare that if we got a puff of a cross wind your car would lift of into the sunset never to be seen again.
Mine is by no means invincible, i dont have any doubts about that. At the end of the day its still only got around 145bhp/tonne and 237 lb ft /tonne. My last bike had, lets just say over 400bhp/tonne and that includes rider...
I just love the fact that its a diesel supermini sized car that can mix it with car that cost 4 times as much, and the look on other drivers faces.
Originally posted by vibrio
please do not be silly:p
a lotus exige does it in 7.6s
I can keep up with an Elise 111s in my std Leon Cupra R. An Exige is not that much faster so would say that it is highly likely a Revo'd one would do 8 secs.
Ah! But have just noticed you are talking about a 'biza.
Who knows:confused:
Nat
slim_boy_fat
02-07-2003, 11:52
Originally posted by vibrio
please do not be silly:p
a lotus exige does it in 7.6s
Have to say i think it might be 10secs, but not sure, will obviously have to go out tonight and have a go on my local 'private' test track.
Originally posted by n4aat
I can keep up with an Elise 111s in my std Leon Cupra R. An Exige is not that much faster so would say that it is highly likely a Revo'd one would do 8 secs.
Ah! But have just noticed you are talking about a 'biza.
Who knows:confused:
Nat
When talking about 'keeping up' and 'Elises' in the same sentence, we need to define whether we are talking about straight line. As I am sure a standard Elise would do the Cupra R through the twisties ;)
WileEcoyote
02-07-2003, 12:23
Can verify that In a straight line the My cupra R pulled away from an elise
Until.........
We got to a roundabout!!!
I let him go by and wasn't gonna give chase as the road changed to a 40 zone
This fruitloop in the elise went round the roundabout in a way i had never thought possible!!!:eek:
Awesome cornering speed, but.... highly dangerous with it
WileE
Originally posted by WileEcoyote
This fruitloop in the elise went round the roundabout in a way i had never thought possible!!!:eek:
Awesome cornering speed, but.... highly dangerous with it
It may look dangerous from the onlooker, but when sat in an Elise that is the only way to go around corners. You positively attack every and any corner, and the car just flies through as if to say is that the best you got :p
There is no torque to speak of, hence why the turbo charged cars of this world feel faster, but when going through corners you can feel what each wheel is doing under you. It is a really surreal experience and I would say it is the best car I have ever owned (for pure driving that is :D )
WileEcoyote
02-07-2003, 13:08
Originally posted by MaKSiNG
It may look dangerous from the onlooker, but when sat in an Elise that is the only way to go around corners. You positively attack every and any corner, and the car just flies through as if to say is that the best you got :p
There is no torque to speak of, hence why the turbo charged cars of this world feel faster, but when going through corners you can feel what each wheel is doing under you. It is a really surreal experience and I would say it is the best car I have ever owned (for pure driving that is :D )
Would love to have a go in one!:D
Only seemed dangerous cos he was going into a 40 zone
Very impressive though
slim_boy_fat
02-07-2003, 13:20
Originally posted by MaKSiNG
It may look dangerous from the onlooker, but when sat in an Elise that is the only way to go around corners. You positively attack every and any corner, and the car just flies through as if to say is that the best you got :p
:D )
What alot of pish, it it looked dangerous then it prob was on the public road. Only takes a granny to pull out in her nissan micra then you have a real problem mid corner at 70mph or whatever.
mark sheerin
02-07-2003, 14:56
Check out the Revo T shirt design at the end of this thread...:D
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=205040&t=898#post205040
Only 3 gear changes between 0 and 100 for us diesel boys.60-100 is this 4th gear acceleration ? if so I think you'll find the diesel torque copes very well with it and I would be suprised if I couldn't do it in 8 secs.
well there's only 2 gearchanges with the fiat.
60 - 100 = 3rd gear for me, so more power at road, also no gear changes, if came out with me, then you would understand what iam going on about.
dave
Two words in a Cupra R...
Re Vo
30 - 90 not much can touch it....we're talking Porsche Turbo/Ferrari Spider engined beasts have trouble.....or is it the way I drive ???
well 60-100 is 4th gear only on the diesel. 60mph is 1900 rpm which is just short of where peak torque kicks in. 100mph is 4000rpm and about where the power noticably starts to drop off ready for 5th.
60 - 100 = 3rd gear for me, so more power at road,
Than what.
you can't seriously be comparing your gear ratios to mine. That I probably have twice the torque you produce means we're playing different games. With just a stop watch and a clear private runway-like strip this afternoon I managed 8.5 secs. This was one run only and slightly damp conditions. I think theres room for improvement.
slim_boy_fat
03-07-2003, 00:04
I managed a 9.5 but the road was not flat by any means. Really need a runway. I would expect simons to be a tad faster than mine due to extra wollop. I am sure if a test drive went at it it woudl def be in the 8.something second barrier.
Dont underestimate the power of the dark side :saber:
30 - 90 not much can touch it....we're talking Porsche Turbo/Ferrari Spider engined beasts have trouble.....or is it the way I drive ???
the standard cupra R is 17/18/19 ?secs to 100mph, so after rev0, then it should be on par with my 0 - 100 time 14.5 secs, not bad for a standard car!
That I probably have twice the torque you produce means we're playing different games. With just a stop watch and a clear private runway-like strip this afternoon I managed 8.5 secs. This was one run only and slightly damp conditions. I think theres room for improvement
twice the torque? - fiat = 230lb/ft
your car 299lb/ft, so not really twice the amount!
you may have 299, but is that hitting the road, cause asfar as i was aware, diesels have high gearing, because of small rev band, so therefore less power hitting road, I maybe wrong?
i would luv to have a drag race with you, to see this diesel thing move, i do like diesels, i own a mondeo tdci, which is fast, but not in the same league as the coupe, the mondeo does produce more torque than my coupe, 250lb/ft, but noway is that going help it beat the coupe.
forgot to say that the coupe produces it full about of torque(230lb/ft), from 2500rpm, right through untill 6000rpm, then slower drops off as we reach the 7000rpm rev limter.
dave
I wasn't entirely sure about "twice the torque" which is why I put probably in front of it.
I would welcome the drag race.
I would welcome the drag race.
i would enjoy showing you my coupe boot in a drag race! :D ;)
dave
I've raced a 20VT coupe at crail. I lost by around 1.5 car lengths. I would have no problem in seeing off a standard ibiza TDi 130. revo'd would be different
ANDY BLUNT
03-07-2003, 22:31
I am driving to North Wales on the weekend and there's a Scoob WRX STI in the convoy ,will try to compare mid range pulling power,cause its the only chance i've got against it.p.s.Going to Coed-y-Brenin with mountain bikes 20 of us should be a laugh.:cheers: Andy.
slim_boy_fat
04-07-2003, 13:21
Kicked a E-class Merc @ss last night, 18"amg wheels, it was a petrol but to be honest i think it was maybe a 280, it was de-badged, it might have been a 320. The driver looked well upset, he tried to follow me round a couple of big roundabous and nearly lost it twice, meanwhile i was listning to ABBA with 1 hand on wheel..;)
I had to slow down 3 times to let him catch up.
Then i finally let him past he looked like a gangster drug dealer :eek: so i took the next exit sharp style.
Thats another notch on the dash board....
E-class 320's are quick through the gears alright. raced one at crail a few times he has the brabus conversion. 240hp, 400lb ft torque. he can get sub 15s but lost to me on every go :D
mark sheerin
06-07-2003, 01:35
Chalk up a Lexus 430 to me last night...:D
Spec says they do 155 ....
couldn't catch me though up the hill near Harrogate...and yes he WAS trying but I won't tell you the speed we reached before he gave up;)
ANDY BLUNT
06-07-2003, 21:16
Had a play with said WRX STI from north to south wales ,very interesting ,gave driver the shock of his life when i blasted away from him .He did recover and get by me ,but i was 4 up ,with full boot,full tank and only on low 9 setting .He was 2 up ,with not as much luggage and he said he couldn't believe how fast my ickle hatch was going with so much on board.Peugeot 306gti6 tryed to get in on the act ,but was quickly dismissed.Have adjusted PSS9's , handling is much improved and such a laugh.:D :cheers: Andy
I have raced a Wrx sti 7 and held it all the way to 145mph, we both had to slow for traffic his face was a picture. Did the same to a Evo 4, and a boxster s. Raced Toonmans wrx ppp'd, i think he was quite impressed also. People think it is rubbish, but more and more people are having the same kind of results against these cars. Never raced one in the twistys could be a diff story. But straight line speed races not a problem.
I tried to race a ALfa GTV lastnight. I lost. turned out to be a GTV cup. 3.0L V6 which explains why it slowly creeped past me. made up for it tonight by embarassing a BMW :lol:
LEO LION R
07-07-2003, 14:32
I recon (as i've said about a zillion times) the Leon R would be about ;
0-60 in 7secs (6secs )
0-100 in 18secs (14secs )
60-100 in 11secs (8secs )
the Ibiza TDi sport would be more like;
0-60 in 8.5secs (7secs )
0-100 in 24secs (18secs )
60-100 in 15.5secs (11secs )
Bearing in mind the 60-100 has been calculated from subtracting a fast 0-100 and 0-60 time, so the 60-100 could probably be improved for both cars if that was the specific intention as a different driving style is required to get the fastest times for bothe the 60 and 100 (vibs will testify this)
So the Ibiza TDi SPort would be almost identical in times as the standard R, it just feels faster because its smalle, lighter and noisier (oh and a lot of low down torque = thrustastic, not that the R is far behind in torque terms - especially chipped)
:cheers:
mark sheerin
07-07-2003, 14:39
CAR ................BHP/TONNE
Clio Cup ................171
Focus RS ................169
Audi S3 (225).......... 166
Civic Type R............. 166
Golf R32 ................165
BMW 535i ................164
Subaru WRX............ 163
Cupra Revo............. 161*
BMW 330ci sport..... 160
Mercedes E430....... 160
clio 172 ................157
3.0 V6 GTV............. 157
Lexus 430 saloon... 156
Cupra R ................155*
Mercedes S430....... 155
Mondeo ST 220....... 152
A4 3.0 Quattro........ 149
BMW 530i ................146
Cooper S ................145
Cupra std ................138*
Octavia RS............... 133
Originally posted by mark sheerin
CAR ................BHP/TONNE
Clio Cup ................171
Focus RS ................169
Vib's Punto GT...........167
Audi S3 (225).......... 166
Civic Type R............. 166
Golf R32 ................165
BMW 535i ................164
Subaru WRX............ 163
Cupra Revo............. 161*
BMW 330ci sport..... 160
Mercedes E430....... 160
clio 172 ................157
3.0 V6 GTV............. 157
Lexus 430 saloon... 156
Cupra R ................155*
Mercedes S430....... 155
Mondeo ST 220....... 152
A4 3.0 Quattro........ 149
BMW 530i ................146
Cooper S ................145
Cupra std ................138*
Octavia RS............... 133
mark sheerin
07-07-2003, 14:50
Impressive Vib
Although I suspect over 100mph you will start to slow due to more drag than the Leon and various sports saloons.
Whats the weight and power of your Punto then?:)
hi boost 167hp - 1000kg
low boost 155hp - 1000kg
mark sheerin
07-07-2003, 14:55
Bad news Vibrio...
madmile has seen this list in another revotechnik thread and guess what...
Ibiza 20vt tuned to 200bhp
1119kgs = 178 bhp/tonne
Mind you don't ask about Ibizacupras intergalactic machine..well over 300 bhp/tonne:D
forgot 1!
fiat coupe 20vt = 169bhp/ton
theres a good reason why it can beat a cupra R revo!
dave
mark sheerin
08-07-2003, 00:38
The Leon Cupra 3 bar fuel pressure Revo is 210bhp and 161 bhp/tonne Its six speed box and aerodynamics may make up the rest to the Fiat
You can have a 232bhp revo but you need the 4 bar fuel pressure set up.
That would give 177 bhp tonne.
A Revo'd Cupra R though with 265bhp weighs in at 196bhp/tonne....therefore kicking the Fiats ass.....sorry!
nah Fiat still quicker:devil:
mark sheerin
08-07-2003, 00:44
Tis true...power to weight isn't the whole story....
getting near 1400kgs off the line with FWD is difficult....
however aerodynamics are more important past 100mph
as is actual power....
Its six speed box and aerodynamics may make up the rest to the Fiat
and how did we work out this one?, the coupe has a 0.32 co factor, same as leon, changing gear more often does not help for good drag races, ive got 2 gear changes to get to 110, you have 3, therefore wasting time?
and if we must go down the tuning route, a simple chip and good air filter, will take the fiat to 265/270
bhp/ton = 208bhp, i think the cupra r will strugle now, if we keep it simple compare standard, cupra r 0 - 100 = 18secs?
fiat coupe 0 - 100 = 14 secs
see what iam trying to say, coupe only has 10 bhp more, so gearing plays a big part?
dave:devil:
ibizacupra
08-07-2003, 08:02
Well.....
PVW times:- 0-100 in 10.48s, 0-60 in 5.15s, 1/4 in 13.4s, 159.6mph Vmax
300bhp/tonne at that time approx.
coming back meaner this week :)
Hopefully 320bhp/tonne minimum.
Seat Ibiza 20VT - Jabba powered.
regards
Bill
Bill what is your speed at the qtr of a mile point?.
LEO LION R
08-07-2003, 08:24
And if we add in practicality even the Punto has mor espace for passengers than the Coupe.
Horses for courses.
An IHI Leon Cupra R could have 380bhp, which would make it 276bhp/T, probably need to add in the weight of a quaiff as well though so maybe drop it to 250+bhp/T
:cheers:
ok how about a 16VT coupe engine in the punto with 380hp. thats 380hp per/ton ( if you strip out hte car to make up for the weight of the engine. there is one in Italy.
mark sheerin
08-07-2003, 09:57
I came up behind a guy in an 02' Saab 9-5 HOT Aero saloon this morning coming to work.
Traffic was slow on the A61 so I decided to turn off and drive through the back of adel to reach the ring road west near lawnswood.
Its a road distance of around eight miles of some A and some B rural roads...
When I indicated to pull off so did he in front of me and as I followed him off the main road he immediately put his foot down....up to 110 mph
Well whats a boy to do?
So I toe'd it too...
I'll say they shift allright.....
250bhp
bhp/tonne = 170
0-60 6.5 top speed 155
27 grand to buy...
He couldn't drop me..:D
I was the 'limpet' to his weedy rock this morning..
He seemed to have a slight edge up to 70 mph but then my third gear reeled him back everytime when I pulled 5000 rpm onwards
Road with corners and straights.......
Looks like the Revo has done the trick then... :)
bring on your coupe Dave..I've had my warm up.:D
ibizacupra
08-07-2003, 10:27
Originally posted by Madmile
Bill what is your speed at the qtr of a mile point?.
I think @ Santa Pod I saw between 108 and 112mph depending on how crap I was.
regards
bill
ibizacupra
08-07-2003, 10:29
Originally posted by LEO LION R
add in the weight of a quaiff as well though so maybe drop it to 250+bhp/T
Why would the quiafe add so much weight?
You remove factory diff and install quiafe one.
The Grip is much better, but off the line I would say its least impressive. 2 black skid marks instead of one. :p
regards
bill
bring on your coupe Dave..I've had my warm up.
mark - you need that thing boiling to keep up with me pal!
dave:D
ps. this thread is a good laugh in a nice way
mark sheerin
08-07-2003, 12:37
No sweat Dave I've long known of the Fiat Coupe's Escort RS matching ability.....
Just having a tease.....:)
I think its been mentioned before but I bought a Cupra because it could fit my three kids in the back.
There's not many practical 5 seaters out there that will give my Revo'ed Cupra a run now....without spending lotsa dosh on a fast 5 series or Merc.
If I won the lottery tommorow I'd still need a fast five seater so my choice would still be just as limited.
no Porsche or Lotus for me.......:(
About 110mph average, Bill how would your car now fare against the likes of Scooby sti's Evo's. What would a real world production car comparison be?. (straight line speed).
mark sheerin
08-07-2003, 16:11
I saw Bills car leave behind an Evo a Scooby Sti an M3 a ferrari a ginetta various caterhams etc etc...
The only car to get near Bill all day was a race prepped Porsche GT2.
His car is Effin QUICK...but looks like butter wouldn't melt in its exhaust.
and thats when he had 20bhp less than now....
What was the reactions of others drivers. Were they suprised, or was there a lot of modded cars hanging about.
ibizacupra
08-07-2003, 17:22
Originally posted by Madmile
About 110mph average, Bill how would your car now fare against the likes of Scooby sti's Evo's. What would a real world production car comparison be?. (straight line speed).
Dunno really.
One for the autocar stats I guess.
Given its recorded speeds with PVW the other week @ Bruntingthorpe (pre-latest engine mods) its a difficult one to classify.
PVW Times were:-
0-60 in 5.15s
0-100 in 10.48s
1/4 in 13.4s
Vmax on my one run 159.6mph
At Donnington is was fun passing some nice kit, and made a few peeps look twice. Had its engine cover on then so looked boggo except for an induction kit. Confused a certain M3 owner who had to come look! :laff:
Cadwell also had a similar effect. But not so stealthy now when the bonnets open as a big arsed chargecooler now sits there.
regards
bill
I overtook a park'n'ride bus :dance2: :rockon:
well yeah, ok, so it was stopped at the bus stop, but it didn't get back past me again...
and I almost caught a moped, but he was doing 33mph in a 30 limit so I had to back off...
Anyone have any figures for a Ferrari 348?
Raced one last night from a couple of traffic light stops.
He didn't really pull away from me. But then I am not sure he was really letting the engine scream in each gear, probably short shifting at about 5000rpm, however, I was expecting more, even from a 348. A LCR would have eaten it alive!
mark sheerin
09-07-2003, 11:45
Scalped an Audi TT225 last night up a long hill....just gradually eased away from him...:)
Mark_2_go
09-07-2003, 16:30
scalped an Audi TT225 last night up a long hill....just gradually eased away from him...
Mark,
I had an interesting race with my R against my mates TT225 the difference was we swapped cars which was a larf!
My Standard R kept up with me in the 225 and I was giving it some to say the least.
With that in mind in revo form I should destroy a 225 surprised you did not do the same although I guess u r running about 210bhp which sounds about right.
Mark :D :cheers:
mark sheerin
09-07-2003, 17:08
The TT225 has a bhp/tonne of 159
my revo'd std cupra has 210bhp and weighs 1304 kg giving 161 bhp per tonne...
therefore easing away from him up the hill from 100 seems just about right..
They do 0-100min 15.8 !! none too shabby
I recon 0-100 for mine to be around 16.3 allowing for a slower fwd only 0-60 of around 6.3
60-100 would match the TT...as indeed it did and slightly more..
I dont even bother with TT's anymore, easy prey
dave:D
Shock_Xe
09-07-2003, 23:14
Originally posted by ibizacupra
(pre-latest engine mods) bill
So what else you done to it???
slim_boy_fat
11-07-2003, 23:02
Originally posted by mark sheerin
The TT225 has a bhp/tonne of 159
my revo'd std cupra has 210bhp and weighs 1304 kg giving 161 bhp per tonne...
therefore easing away from him up the hill from 100 seems just about right..
They do 0-100min 15.8 !! none too shabby
I recon 0-100 for mine to be around 16.3 allowing for a slower fwd only 0-60 of around 6.3
60-100 would match the TT...as indeed it did and slightly more..
You can knock off another 15bhp from the TT for the extra losses though the 4wd
Even my standard tdi could give a 180tt a good go, the new improved version even more soo..
never had a problem with 180TT myself :jog:
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Dunno really.
One for the autocar stats I guess.
Given its recorded speeds with PVW the other week @ Bruntingthorpe (pre-latest engine mods) its a difficult one to classify.
PVW Times were:-
0-60 in 5.15s
0-100 in 10.48s
1/4 in 13.4s
Vmax on my one run 159.6mph
At Donnington is was fun passing some nice kit, and made a few peeps look twice. Had its engine cover on then so looked boggo except for an induction kit. Confused a certain M3 owner who had to come look! :laff:
Cadwell also had a similar effect. But not so stealthy now when the bonnets open as a big arsed chargecooler now sits there.
regards
bill
Nice times Bill! But if you do 0-100 in 10.48 how does it take 13.4 to get to 112 mph on the 1/4 mile strip?
ibizacupra
14-07-2003, 08:03
Originally posted by Neil82
Nice times Bill! But if you do 0-100 in 10.48 how does it take 13.4 to get to 112 mph on the 1/4 mile strip?
Dunno, but the times seem to always come out the same.
PVW times were with their RaceLogic V-Box.
Santa Pod 1/4 was 13.66 on a really low grip cold day.
GTI Inters was 13.42 1/4, Bruntingthorpe with PVW got 13.4s 1/4 also.... Standing starts is'nt very easy with the power its got.
regards
bill
gear change between 100-113mph. 3s for 100-113 is rather good anyway Neil
ibizacupra
14-07-2003, 09:08
I think the 1/4 is still in 3rd gear... revs wise it is near the top but not quite... (from memory)
got more revs to play with now, and more top end power so it should be better, assuming I can ever launch properly :p
Bill
Shock_Xe
14-07-2003, 09:43
Originally posted by ibizacupra
I think the 1/4 is still in 3rd gear... revs wise it is near the top but not quite... (from memory)
got more revs to play with now, and more top end power so it should be better, assuming I can ever launch properly :p
Bill
what more have you done then?? to get this?
ibizacupra
14-07-2003, 11:45
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
what more have you done then?? to get this?
Gas flowed head, lower compression pistons which hav ebeen ceramic coated, revised fuel pump, larger injectors & remap (needs completing hence 15psi max boost at the moment)
regards
bill
Shock_Xe
14-07-2003, 12:03
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Gas flowed head, lower compression pistons which hav ebeen ceramic coated, revised fuel pump, larger injectors & remap (needs completing hence 15psi max boost at the moment)
regards
bill
NICE! Never stop spending :)
mark sheerin
15-07-2003, 09:17
This morning coming to work at 7am and the perfect set of circumstances led to me and an Astra GSi having a tussle..
No traffic .. empty dual carriageway....some traffic lights..
and an eager participant...
The poor guy just didn't stand a chance..
I was just on his tail no probs..
he pulled over and my fifth gear just left him for dead...
Those things are supposed to do 150...no way unless you have a spare week to get there.
In fact reading Autocar they were only timed at 138mph...looks like vauxhall making up porky pies.
I stopped at a roundabout way ahead of him and I put my window down so I could tell him I was Revo'd...
He just blasted past obviously well cheesed off.....
I didn't follow he was doing probably around 80 into the 40 bit that started at the roundabout...
I left him to it...I hate to see a man cry:D
I was just on his tail no probs..
so you didn't beat him!:devil:
dave
Cupramax
15-07-2003, 11:58
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Gas flowed head, lower compression pistons which hav ebeen ceramic coated, revised fuel pump, larger injectors & remap (needs completing hence 15psi max boost at the moment)
regards
bill
LOL, Bill now has shares in Jabba :D How much have you spent with them :rolleyes::confused:
mark sheerin
15-07-2003, 12:03
Originally posted by dave
so you didn't beat him!:devil:
dave
Read it again Dave you teaser..
He came onto the roundabout from the left lane just before I got to it from my straight ahead lane.
As he came off the roundabout he booted it and then...
"I was just on his tail no probs"
ie I caught him up easily and even felt power in hand when I got to him.
We were stopped at some lights then and when we set off he pulled over to the left.as he could see he wasn't pulling away...I put mine into fifth gear and i just motored past him quite easily then.....
Dave what you doing this weekend?
ibizacupra
15-07-2003, 20:14
Originally posted by Cupramax
LOL, Bill now has shares in Jabba :D How much have you spent with them :rolleyes::confused:
Engine rebuild (after fuel pump failure) was FOC.
Seemed a waste not to mod things further seeing the head came off. :D
Don't intend having to go back into it again. Do it once and do it right.
Lower boost gives more power at the moment, with some final things to tweek and allow its full boost to be turned up.
eg. 22psi peek boost did give 345bhp (uncorrected) and 15psi boost now gives 348bhp, with a LOT more top end pull. Peak power keeps goign to 7800rpm... and slams into the limiter. It wants to go further... :)
regards
bill
Cupramax
15-07-2003, 20:34
Very impressive :D
Originally posted by Cupramax
Very impressive :D
Indeed.
Give it a year or so and I rekon Bill will be going for the land speed record. :)
:cheers:
Scott
Dave what you doing this weekend?
dont know yet, nothing planned
why, whats happening?
dave
Originally posted by Neil82
Nice times Bill! But if you do 0-100 in 10.48 how does it take 13.4 to get to 112 mph on the 1/4 mile strip?
After this post, you seemed to change the subject, is it because you can't say that your Cup is faster anymore ?
Is it me or is everyone else getting sick of these certain Clio Cup, Punto and Fiat Coupe owners wafflng on about how much faster their cars are ?
Why not go to the appropriate forum for your car and leave us in peace? :mad:
Is it me or is everyone else getting sick of these certain Clio Cup, Punto and Fiat Coupe owners wafflng on about how much faster their cars are ?
oh!, mr beef!
i do hang around a fiat coupe forum, also use a lot of other forums , scooby.net, clio, civic type r, etc, to learn about other cars, iam a petrol head!
i used to own a leon cupra, so like to keep upto date with cupra going's on.
also enjoy baiting mark sheerin and anyone else, in a fun, goodway.
but the fact still remains the fiat coupe 20vt, is the fastest front wheel drive production car to 100 mph, well any speed you care to choose, still to date, also dirt cheap at present, great sounding 5 pot, great looks, people allways give a 2nd look when driving around, even 7 years on, since the first ones start coming to uk, only 7500 appox came to uk, so quite a rare car.
I cant lie, thems the facts old chap!
dave
:devil:
As stated before..... If I wanted to know more about a crappy Fiat I would go to a Fiat forum. ;)
There are much better older cars out there like a Subaru Impreza Turbo or Lanica Delta Integrale, something that probably won't break down all the time also, what does 'FIAT' stand for again.... oh yeah..... 'Fix It Again Tony' ! ;)
And my friend had a Cinqenciento (or however you spell it), it was always breaking down.....
As stated before..... If I wanted to know more about a crappy Fiat I would go to a Fiat forum.
Usually I tend to keep out of these discussions (seen to many C64/Sinclair Mac/PC and whatever keeps computerpeople happy wars)
but in fact this is a Seat Cupra forum made by and for Seat enthousiasts. So yeah..it's fine if you want to read along but keep any of this "blah blah brand is better" comments to yourself.
I have driven Alfas 145/146 and Fiats before (Seicento/Punto) but it left me with the general impression..great styling but crap build (no offence on your car,Dave,hope it keeps you happy).
This will not force me to go to Fiat/Alfa forums and share my bad experience with them as I respect other peoples choices on car brands (as long as it's VAG made ;)
Cheers,
GJ.
couple of points we need to clear up
Lanica Delta Integrale
the 16v turbo engine found in some of the coops, is the same engine in the delta.
fiat build quatity - theres only one small problem with this concerning the coupe, the coupe was not built by fiat, it was built by Pininfarina, at there factory, because of such a low volume cars needed. and what does pininfarina do now adays?
dave
Mark_2_go
23-07-2003, 10:53
Bate not take we all know what they do.
Beckham used to play for a bad football team as did most footy players that does not mean to say their early teams were fantastic if u know what I mean! ;)
Anyway if you rearrange the letters it spells "pin in a farin" so basically thats all they do! lol.
Mark. :cheers: :D
FastShow
23-07-2003, 12:14
Originally posted by dave
but the fact still remains the fiat coupe 20vt, is the fastest front wheel drive production car to 100 mph, well any speed you care to choose Well I had a tussle with a 20VT the other week and he wasn't any faster than my (then) non-Revo'd R.
That was from ~60mph up to ~135mph (all on a private track) and he didn't gain an inch. I was also loaded up with a passenger whereas he was on his own, so there's really not that much in it.
And yes he was trying...
Originally posted by dave
and what does pininfarina do now adays?
Peugeot 406?
Cupramax
23-07-2003, 13:37
Ferrari 456, Peugeot 206 CC :repuke: :D
Shock_Xe
23-07-2003, 14:47
Had a play with a Scooby WRX and to my surprise he couldnt really overtake me on an A road was gain Very slowly but only an inch or so at a time and he even backed off on corners? :confused: granted mine felt like it was on the edge but still!
I was behind a newish BMW 330D yesterday on empty dual carriageway roads in Milton Keynes.
I saw him tailgating some poor chap in front, so I took to the challenge and accelerated up behind him, the car in front of him turned off and no matter how hard he tried I was actually gaining on him when he put his foot down.
He then pulled over and you should have seen his face when I went past, how I laughed !
:rotfl:
Cupramax
23-07-2003, 19:51
Ah but a Fiat Coupe would still have been faster....;) :think: :duck:
Fastshow - was he behind you or in front?
cupramax - your right!
the problem is lads, the results dont look good for cupra r(standard)
60 - 100?
from what ive seen 0 - 100 17/18 secs, 0-60 6.5/7.0
so that makes a 10.5 secs 60 - 100, now the coupe is 8secs
bhp per ton cupra? 152bhp appox
coupe 171bhp per ton, + only need 1 gear from 60 - 100, cupra needs 2 gears, which means wasteing time changing gear.
the problem with the coupe there's 4 different engines, very hard to tell which engine it has, car looks the same apart, from alloys, and b-pillar badge, which isnt very big.
so can someone explain what's wrong here?
dave:cheers:
Dave please stop. I am :sick: of hearing it. Enough please.
And if a chipped cupra can do a qtr mile say in 15 secs at 96mph how does it take a further 3 secs to do 4mph. Your going wrong somewhere.
Your going wrong somewhere
not me mate, when people say i beat or kept with a coupe, i find it hard to believe, cos the figs tell a different story, its more like the other driver wasnt trying as hard/or maybe doesnt like to push car too hard etc,etc.
ps - we all petrol heads, its good fun talking about cars in this way, or why buy a fast car?
dave
Originally posted by dave
not me mate, when people say i beat or kept with a coupe, i find it hard to believe, cos the figs tell a different story, its more like the other driver wasnt trying as hard/or maybe doesnt like to push car too hard etc,etc.
ps - we all petrol heads, its good fun talking about cars in this way, or why buy a fast car?
dave
But it does tend to get boring when you keep saying, my car is faster than that, and is that the best your Cupra can do, etc... etc...
There are faster cars out there than yours also and cars that would walk all over you on the twisties.........
you'd be suprised how good the coupe is but Dave is rigth about the modles apart from a little badge on the C-piller how many of you non-coupe owns can tell which is a N/A 16V coupe from a 20VT coupe. I could probably beat a 16V coupe if the guy got a less than perfect start.
I did this cause I was bored tonight right click save ass (http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UPceP43WVqvo1GUoe9zbvp_ov1eETFv_MS_RC1RmYHCgDtWmabGPiDY0s5HkVUNfpUGyW5JXON8Zd2QI/car.wmv)
was in 5th gear from 80ish to 110mph :D
and is that the best your Cupra can do, etc... etc...
lol, in a nice way
vib - cant get video to download
dave
send me an e.mail to nero@fiatpuntogt.fsnet.co.uk
Tell you what guys how about you just keep this thread to yourself and no-one else posts here, then you talk about Fiats, etc.. to your hearts content without bothering anyone else?
;)
FastShow
24-07-2003, 09:09
Originally posted by dave
Fastshow - was he behind you or in front? In front; yes it was the 20VT, yes he was trying and yes I kept up. Now I wasn't able to pass him when he pulled in, but he certainly never gained more than a few inches from when he floored it.
Anyhoo, I'll bow out now because obviously his car was broken/the turbo had fell off/he wasn't really trying/the laws of physics were playing up etc... yadda yadda.
Dave, my apologies for being slow (having a Cupra engine and all) but I only just now figured out your tactics....
You're going to bore us all to sleep with your Fiat stories so we won't notice you have already left with your car! ;)
P.s. figures from a car manual don't say nothing to me. Dyno or strip figures says way more but even then there will always be a difference between the same type of engine (all within the manufac specs).
Cheers,
GJ.
its more like the other driver wasnt trying as hard/or maybe doesnt like to push car too hard etc,etc.
Regardless of wether the guy was crap at changing gear not trying didnt know the car!! he still beat him for christ's sake every cars diffrent and saying you only need to use 1 gear aposed 2 and that it takes less time is rubish unless your granny shiftin!!
Full throttle change the gear is out of drive for less than 1/100th of a second!! big diffrence i think not!! not to mention anothe surge of tourque!! im not commenting on what i thinks faster, ill take this opotunity to step out of the play pen!
Im sorry i havent even got my cupra yet but ive been watching this thread and some of the complete bo**ocks thats been said is ridiculous!!
out of interest when do you change gear
Originally posted by dave
not me mate, when people say i beat or kept with a coupe, i find it hard to believe, cos the figs tell a different story, its more like the other driver wasnt trying as hard/or maybe doesnt like to push car too hard etc,etc.
Because if he pushed a Fiat it would blow up. The truth is Yes they are very fast no doubt,and yes they look good.But just like my old intergrale they are sh*t at staying on the road .In 24 months of ownership it was of the road (for one thing or another) for about 6 months. the list includes.
:- blown turbo,rear diff siezed,head gasket,cam carrier gasket,rear calipers SNAPPED!!,front arb bushes shot,centre diff whine and blown turbo (again)
And to insult to injury the shell all but fell in half.And when i questioned Tank Barratt and Mangolletsi about each of the faults I got the same response to each "Yeah that's a common problem on the Evo !!!!"
So don't come on praising the Fiat empire I've been there done that and will never do it again.
Other Italian cars I have had,Alfa GTV(best of a bad bunch)Uno turbo(wish I hadn't bothered)155 Selespeed(great engine crap g'box)
all cars have their problems. look at VAG with their coil packs :p
mark sheerin
24-07-2003, 19:35
Well this thread was supposed to be what have you been 'keeping up with' and beating ... but its seems to have got stuck in a Fiat Coupe Turbo vs Cupra rut...
The Fiat Coupe 20vt Turbo IS A FAST car .. I did however overtake one...even if he was 2 inch off my bumper when I pulled in at 100mph with my Revo'd Cupra...he was still overtaken so can we move on...what has everyone else been keeping up with or overtaking.
No one has said your car is SLOW dave so chill baby..:)
OK well in the kept up with list .
:- SAAB 93 Aero,Civic type R (not for long tho'),Audi S3.
And in the overtaken list .
:- Golf TDI GTI,Saxo VTS,Polo GTI,Volvo V70 AWD.
And counting no doubt the list will increase once it's tuned:devil:
Anyhoo, I'll bow out now because obviously his car was broken/the turbo had fell off/he wasn't really trying/the laws of physics were playing up etc... yadda yadda.
Well, thats what iam thinking!
Chill guys, iam just stating a few facts, not me thats getting excited! ;)
dave
On the subject of beating.......
Everything on the way home from Milton Keynes tonight !
:D
rhumber - whats the revo coop pushing out?
dave
Don't know exactly, probably about 210bhp+
Originally posted by rhumber
After this post, you seemed to change the subject, is it because you can't say that your Cup is faster anymore ?
Is it me or is everyone else getting sick of these certain Clio Cup, Punto and Fiat Coupe owners wafflng on about how much faster their cars are ?
Why not go to the appropriate forum for your car and leave us in peace? :mad:
WTF you on m8? I know his fecking IHI'd Turbo Cupra Ibiza is faster than my Cup its faster than most cars! But we were talking about chipped Cupras not ones with new turbos,intercooler, etc etc etc There is someone on the Clio forum currently developing a throttle body conversion for the 172/Cup, when they are done developing it on his car it will be sold to the public:D Cup on TB's mmmmmmmm:cheers:
http://www.roamer.com/car/Throttle%20Bodies/slides/IMG_0785.html
Is it worth developing and fitting throttle bodies for the 172/cup. What are the performance gains. With the Ibiza gains are good for not to much cash. And with the new Ctr (230/240bhp) coming out is it worth doing the above work to a cup. Serious question m8 not pulling your leg. I also hear seat are bringing out a 225bhp petrol Ibiza in 2004. So 260/270 bhp with a chip upgrade sounds nice.....
Originally posted by Madmile
Is it worth developing and fitting throttle bodies for the 172/cup. What are the performance gains. With the Ibiza gains are good for not to much cash. And with the new Ctr (230/240bhp) coming out is it worth doing the above work to a cup. Serious question m8 not pulling your leg. I also hear seat are bringing out a 225bhp petrol Ibiza in 2004. So 260/270 bhp with a chip upgrade sounds nice.....
Well with TB's im sure it will have about 230-250 hp (any experts on TB's on here?)similar torque, a Cup with 180 hp can do low 6's to 60 and 15.5-16.0 to 100 (same as a 200 hp 230 lb ft cupra)so add another 70 hp....:cheers:
:devil:
I will see if the CTR 240 is ever released same goes for 225 Ibiza and see how the perform etc and maybe look into getting one... But TB's sound good but you got to think about MPG, insurance and reliablity (same as if you went for the jabba conversion on ur cupra)
Downsberg
02-08-2003, 12:53
Do they still make fiat coupes anymore, its just that fiat owners keep sticking to their car manual stats, but werent they obtained when the car was first built not five years or so down the line. i know after a year or so the car loosens up but after that it starts to go downhill no matter how well its kept.
anyway as for cars beat 200sx, golf gti 180
cars kept up with
some big bad bmw 5 series de badge + a 2.8 i think z3 and integra type R all at the same time to what said 150 on the clock taking 4 lanes of a certain motorway. but i have no idea how hard people were pushing but the beemer had 4 up for starters.
i want to go up against a cup, my mate had one but wrote it off.
would a revo r dust a cup anyone know.
Does a bear shit in the woods.:D
Downsberg
02-08-2003, 13:29
not to sure, i will go and look for bear turds now. do they look more like human ones or like cow pats.
I've beat a cup a in my standard bezzer 20vt.
No quicker that the normal ones really.
Only just had the edge though.
Okay, yes a revo'd cupra r would beat a stnd cup. I reckon!!
And bear shit is like dog crap. So its quite obvious.:D
Do they still make fiat coupes anymore, its just that fiat owners keep sticking to their car manual stats, but werent they obtained when the car was first built not five years or so down the line. i know after a year or so the car loosens up but after that it starts to go downhill no matter how well its kept.
if engine oil is changed on regular basis then should last a long time, my one has 50,000 miles, so only just run in mate,
plenty coupe owners go to 1/4 mile and get 14.5/14.4 with 100,000 on clocks, that is what the stats say when car first came out.
dave
Hi dave, where have you been. Welcome back.:cheers:
P.S Fiats are still girls cars though :D .
lol, might be mate, but the coupe will still destroy your little cupra performance wise!:D
dave
Nah!!! mate i iz the daddy.:D :p .
Originally posted by Jonnie
I've beat a cup a in my standard bezzer 20vt.
No quicker that the normal ones really.
Only just had the edge though.
Sniff sniff, I can smell the bears shit mad! LOL
Me to. Its dave's bottom end on the way out.:D :D .
Do you get it BOTTOM END.:D
This thread is seriously amusing ! :-)
Maybe we should start a new thread -- what's kicked your royal ar$e?
On my way back from Southampton on Sunday, cruising at a not inconsiderate speed, I glanced in my mirror to see something I'm sure I'd have noticed if I'd passed it. Lurid green Nova. Put my foot down, it started to drop back, but not much. Not as much as I'd have expected given the speed I was doing. It eventually gave up, but more than likely because we were going almost twice the limit. I backed off a lot, hoping to let it past and wave, but he'd pulled off. Or exploded. Something.
I'll tell you what I think, though.
I think it was someone from Revo, sent out to embarrass me a few hours after my demo wore off. I'm sold -- keep your supercharged 2CV in its garage, guys, I've had all I can take! ;)
Kept an AUDI TT at bay today coming along the A34,inbetween speed cameras and roundabouts he would try to get past( he was on the outside lane and I was on the inside one)but I was 'avin none of that.When he did get passed as I was turning I noticed it had only one tailpipe so I don't know if it's a 150 or 180 ..
Shock_Xe
13-08-2003, 18:34
single 180 twin 225
single is also 150 front wheel drive they brought them out for the cheaper end of the market .£21,455
I heard that the 150bhp FWD version was coming out, but is there any noticeable difference between the 150 & 180bhp versions?
I see on the What Car website that it shows "Audi TT Quattro 1.8 T (150) Roadster"
I guess they're going to have to change that to Audi TT FWD as it ain't quattro.
I had a bit of a race with a Audi UK badged Audi TT in MK (Audi UK HQ) with a single tailpipe (must have been a 180bhp version), the lady driver and I were neck and neck then I was gradually pulling away (but not by much).
I think she was a bit miffed that a Seat was beating her, haha!
I shouldn't think that there would be much between the two TT's in a straight line.One may be 30 bhp down but it hasn't got all of the drive train to turn.So a fwd TT revo'd to 210bhp could be quite entertaining(in a straight line)..
big ALI H
14-08-2003, 16:33
As far as i know the 150 BHP TT is ONLY a drop top, they don't do a hardtop. I imagine the only way you can tell is that it doesn;t have the quattro badge