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Dormouse
27-06-2003, 13:32
We've been here before, but I though i'd ask thje question again.
Who's suffered really dodgy paint quality (especially on the bonnet?) My Ibiza R after just over a year (and was like it within a year too) is horendous. Chips all over it down to the metal. Paint is really thin too. The car has been nowhere particulalry nasty to get this, and I have seen Ibiza's which a lot more 'history' who's paint quality is better.
As the car is over a year old (just), my local dealer has said they will get a SEAT engineer to 'look at it'. But in the mean time 'ill have to keep polishing it to keep the moisture out!!
Dor.
Mine's having the whole front bumper redone due to bad paint quality..
Had both sills repainted due to insufficient coverage - you could still see the primer in places....
Originally posted by Dormouse
We've been here before, but I though i'd ask thje question again.
Who's suffered really dodgy paint quality (especially on the bonnet?) My Ibiza R after just over a year (and was like it within a year too) is horendous. Chips all over it down to the metal. Paint is really thin too. The car has been nowhere particulalry nasty to get this, and I have seen Ibiza's which a lot more 'history' who's paint quality is better.
As the car is over a year old (just), my local dealer has said they will get a SEAT engineer to 'look at it'. But in the mean time 'ill have to keep polishing it to keep the moisture out!!
Dor.
Mine too mate, attacked it with the touch up pen this weekend and it looks miles better although it still feels like war and peace in braille to the touch.
...only really noticed it when I waxed the car and all the pits were filled with white wax.
Let me know if you get any joy....
A
Mark_2_go
07-07-2003, 15:01
I was cleaning mine at the weekend and I think I noticed some rust yes rust on the front wing at the very fron by the headlight.
I am not totally sure as it could have been a dream. (hard weekend) I will check tonight though.
I did have a hair in the painwork when I picked the car up and the towing eye cover was missing.
A new tow eye cover was sent and seat did not dissapoint me by sending me a new cover complete with a hair in the paintwork to match my door!!
Mark :cheers:
I've got a few huge chips on my bonnet right down to the metal which I am not impressed with. Even worse they are starting to rust which is not very good on a fully galvanised car! They must have even taken the galvanised layer off too for that to happen.
I used to have a Pearl Black Ibiza for 3 years and never had stone chips like these, infact I hardly had any.
I am going to speak to the dealer next week at service time because I don't think that type of damage should result from a few stone chips. I thought of touching them up myself but I don't really want to start doing something like that on a car that is only 6 months old, plus it never looks good if you do it yourself, especially on the bonnet.
I've had my Leon for a month and since i've had it i've put 3 good coats of wax on it. I do lots of motorway miles and had started to get chips in the first week! since i've heavily waxed it, i haven't noticed any. Plus i heard bad things on here from other people with stone chips.
Saying that i had a new clio for 4 months before the leon cupra and i never waxed it and washed it infrequently and once i removed all the bugs i noticed really deep gashes in the paint from stones and bugs etc... So i think i'll keep on with at least a wax a month. Plus it looks better.
My front end is completely destroyed!
The bonnet is totally peppered with chips, there is a patch the size of a 1p coin that has gone totally rusty and the entire roof line along the top of the windscreen has gone rusty.
I took the car to my local Seat dealership and they said that the paint was dodgy and in his opinion it should be done under warantee. He submitted the warantee claim but Seat refused it!!!
I have been to 2 other bodyshops for quotes, and both said that the paint was dodgy.
:devil:
Ben
ibizacupra
31-07-2003, 13:51
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
Bruntingthorpe....
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
think I'm coming down with something ;)
Mine too. Bonnet is covered in stone chips and I've only had it a year. My dealership has said there is nothing wrong with the paint coverage.
I don't drive on motorways much at all. I had a Saxo for 3 years and only had a few stone chips on it and used to drive the M62 to Manachester and back 3 times a week.
WileEcoyote
31-07-2003, 16:26
spoken to the dealer about getting mine redone under warrenty
4 months and it looks like someones been at the fron of mine with an Uzi!
Originally posted by ibizacupra
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
Bruntingthorpe....
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
**COUGH**
think I'm coming down with something ;)
:D Shhhh, I wont tell if you don't! ;)
I still think that mine was overly excessive though... no-one else that went has paintwork as bad as mine.
You went Bill, have you got rust along the roof line where it meets the windscreen?
Ben
Also my mate that took his 306 GTI6 to Brunty with us didn't have any noticable stonechips after then event!
Ben
No chance claiming under warranty for stone chips unfortunately!
I tried as hard as I could and my dealer is very reasonable over warranty claims but the bodyshop said no way will Seat cough up for stonechips which they consider to be wear and tear.
I even pointed out the rust in the chips, with the car being galvanised, and I was just told the galvanised layer has been chipped off too. They did tell me that in cars after 98/99, the paint is a 3rd less in thickness than it use to be to save cost, also it is not as tough due to new environmental water based paints.
The dealer solution : Either use a touch up pen, (which I think will look poor, especially on a new car and on the bonnet), or pay £180 plus VAT for a full bonnet respray - I think not!
I'm getting Chipsaway to give me a quote at the weekend but I reckon it will be quite expensive. We'll see.
ibizacupra
31-07-2003, 21:20
Originally posted by BenS1
You went Bill, have you got rust along the roof line where it meets the windscreen?
Ben
No rust but I did touch up some deep chips which were back to metal. Have you? If you've left them to rust this long.......... :(
ibizacupra
31-07-2003, 21:23
Originally posted by psrob
I was just told the galvanised layer has been chipped off too.
What a crock of sh1t....
Galvanising chipped off??? FFS... Erm No! It does'nt work like that. Its plated, so unless that too is as defective as their sh1tty water based paint scheme, thats total BS to fob you off.
You have been had I'm afraid.
SEAT paintwork is simply shite quality - period.
I thought the plating was just an external galvanised layer on the metal that could also be removed if hit hard enough. That is also the impression I got from the bodyshop - not that the whole of the metal is fully galvanised right through.
Whatever the case it is not right that a simple stone chip could start to rust within a matter of 3 weeks on a galvanised car with a 12 year anti-corrosion warranty.
Still, what can you do, apart from take it up with Seat UK. What I first need is some sort of hard evidence that a 7 month old galvanised car should not rust from the result of a stone chip, especially in a matter of weeks. If anyone has any I'd be grateful of it.
Take heart, at least it's not just us suffering from stone chips ::)
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread/t-24476.html
Paul
ibizacupra
01-08-2003, 08:43
Originally posted by psrob
I thought the plating was just an external galvanised layer on the metal that could also be removed if hit hard enough. That is also the impression I got from the bodyshop - not that the whole of the metal is fully galvanised right through.
Whatever the case it is not right that a simple stone chip could start to rust within a matter of 3 weeks on a galvanised car with a 12 year anti-corrosion warranty.
Still, what can you do, apart from take it up with Seat UK. What I first need is some sort of hard evidence that a 7 month old galvanised car should not rust from the result of a stone chip, especially in a matter of weeks. If anyone has any I'd be grateful of it.
Take heart, at least it's not just us suffering from stone chips ::)
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread/t-24476.html
Paul
If plated properly... you can't chip it off if you tried with a chisel, without taking the actual metal off the bonnet.
My audi A6, which was truely galvanised had a chip thru the paint to the metal (plating) and had zero corrosion ever for 3 years motoring (until I sold it)
My old Renault 11 turbo also was galvanised and was equally as good at rust prevention on bonnet chips etc... down to the metal (plating) and zero corrosion ever.
If they did'nt plate it properly, it will be too thin or not adhered properly... and yea, will ping off with stone chips, but that is a fault. They galv it for a reason you know.. to combat this exact thing.
Modern Water based paints are rubbish by comparison to the older 2 packs or cellulose based ones which were much harder and durable. VAG cars switched on MK3's & Corrado's I believe and from that moment, people moaned about stone chips being much more prevalent. Shite paint durability from VAG.. DOH!
You are beign told a load of tosh from the body shop about the plating. It could never have been done properly to spec in the first place if it pings off now.
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
If plated properly... you can't chip it off if you tried with a chisel, without taking the actual metal off the bonnet.
My audi A6, which was truely galvanised had a chip thru the paint to the metal (plating) and had zero corrosion ever for 3 years motoring (until I sold it)
My old Renault 11 turbo also was galvanised and was equally as good at rust prevention on bonnet chips etc... down to the metal (plating) and zero corrosion ever.
If they did'nt plate it properly, it will be too thin or not adhered properly... and yea, will ping off with stone chips, but that is a fault. They galv it for a reason you know.. to combat this exact thing.
Modern Water based paints are rubbish by comparison to the older 2 packs or cellulose based ones which were much harder and durable. VAG cars switched on MK3's & Corrado's I believe and from that moment, people moaned about stone chips being much more prevalent. Shite paint durability from VAG.. DOH!
Yep, come to think of it I use to drive a Land Rover Defender 90 in work and that was fully galvanised. It had chip and scratches all over it as it was'nt treated with TLC and it never had any rust on it despite being over 5 years old!
By the way, has anybody tried that 'Lanka' that is mentioned on the Mini forums?
You are beign told a load of tosh from the body shop about the plating. It could never have been done properly to spec in the first place if it pings off now.
Bill
Don't know what happened there, my text never came up!
I said that come to think of it I use to drive a fully galvanised Land Rover Defender 90 in work which wasn't given much TLC. It had stone chips and scratches down to the metal all over it, but they never rusted at all, despite it being 5 years old.
Has anyone tried that 'Lanka' which was mentioned in the Mini forum thread?
ibizacupra
01-08-2003, 20:51
Originally posted by psrob
Don't know what happened there, my text never came up!
It did... but in the body text of my previous post
So, if you have rust then do you think that is a valid warantee claim as its a fault?
Cheers
Ben