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Petrolhead Paul
16-12-2001, 21:34
Recently noticed Star Performance (http://www.starperformance.co.uk) are knocking out Blitz induction kits for VAG 1.8T cars. Emailed Jim to see if they've tried one on an Ibiza yet and let you lot know what he reckons.
Being constructed of stainless steel mesh it doesn't require oiling so shouldn't foul up the MAF sensor.
And of course it should sound awesome. Banzai Ibiza here we come...
chungster
16-12-2001, 21:39
Go for it mate!
If it works on yours...i'll have one too!!
:D
Petrolhead Paul
16-12-2001, 21:49
I was having a blat today and fond memories of the "yellow shitter" came back. That car made you grin from ear to ear at full chat, like a rally car. I want the same aural stimulation again. ;)
chungster
16-12-2001, 21:53
Umm....sounds as though you regret letting the "yella shitter" go mate! Maybe if you get in touch with the new owner...he'll let you have one last go for old times sake!
From current info...it might be a bit hard to replicate the sound you had from that 16V!
Fancy starting with a Powerflow exhaust then???
Petrolhead Paul
16-12-2001, 22:01
Originally posted by chungster
From current info...it might be a bit hard to replicate the sound you had from that 16V!
If it comes anywhere close it'll be great. Its odd because the 210 is a lot faster than a tweaked 16V, yet so quiet and refined you don't realise how quick you are going.
Fancy starting with a Powerflow exhaust then???
Never again. Utter shite. Actually they are probably not so bad on a 1.8T but they won't be getting my money again.
chungster
16-12-2001, 22:08
Its probably down to the sound proofing within the car.
You wait till you listen to YOUR car FROM THE OUITSIDE on the rollers at 6800rpm in January......will make you think twice about making noise and making it scream to the redline!!!
I couldn't believe the way mine was singing!!!
:D
Petrolhead Paul
16-12-2001, 22:11
Originally posted by chungster
Its probably down to the sound proofing within the car.
:D
Nah, its the turbo. Turbo'd cars are always a lot quieter - 800bhp Skyline GTR Vs TVR in that Clarkson video :)
chungster
16-12-2001, 22:17
Yeah...what video is that? Didn't read your thread over at EVO??
Petrolhead Paul
16-12-2001, 22:38
Originally posted by chungster
Yeah...what video is that?
At Full Throttle.
ibizacupra
17-12-2001, 08:07
Originally posted by Petrolhead Paul
Recently noticed Star Performance (http://www.starperformance.co.uk) are knocking out Blitz induction kits for VAG 1.8T cars. Emailed Jim to see if they've tried one on an Ibiza yet and let you lot know what he reckons.
Being constructed of stainless steel mesh it doesn't require oiling so shouldn't foul up the MAF sensor.
And of course it should sound awesome. Banzai Ibiza here we come...
The only thing I can't get my head round on these stainless steel filters is how they stop fine dust. In foam and cotton gauze filters the only dust capture is by the oil.
If the stainless steel is'nt oiled, and the ones I've seen you can easily see daylight through them, what stops dust.
Having picked up an engine rebuild during this year on my 16v because I let my filters dry out, letting dust get into and onto the valve seats, I lost compression on #1 & #2 cylinder and had to re-ring it.
I personally have been very wary of these because of this.
Bill
Petrolhead Paul
17-12-2001, 10:50
The BLITZ 'Sus' Power air filters are made from the same top quality T304 stainless steel as the Nur Spec exhausts. Totally unique to BLITZ, the entire filtration element is made from a fine stainless steel mesh. This mesh means the filters never wear out, and have substantially less restriction than any other filter.
Most aftermarket filters are made from paper or foam elements, and require oiling to maintain their filtration capacity. This oil gradually disperses into the inlet tracts of an engine, and coats the walls and in particular the air flow sensor, slowly reducing the performance of the vehicle.
The Blitz air filters also have the same fine mesh in the top of the filter, further improving the amount of air they can flow. All of these features mean the Blitz Air filters are capable of releasing more power than any other filter available, and this has been proven through many independant dyno tests. Because the element is 100% metallic, the induction note it produces is similar to a Touring car or group 'A' rally car, very distinctive, but surprisingly quiet whilst cruising
The Blitz air filter is by far the best performing and best looking automotive air filter money can buy. Filters are available in specific induction kits for a number of cars, which include all the necessary pipework, brackets, adapters etc. They are also available in three separate cone sizes and various adapters, so they can be customised for almost any car.Another feature of the BLITZ air filter is the incredibly fine, regular pattern of the mesh, which straightens the air flow and dramatically reduces aerodynamic 'tumble' which creates restrictive turbulence
We often hear people say that cone filters suck in hot air from the engine bay, and this affects performance. We have carried out numerous tests with thermocouples and data logging equipment to assess the effect of the Blitz induction kit, and we have found the gains far outweigh the losses. For example, on the Subaru Impreza, the induction kit gives between 10 and 12 BHP gain, and when the temperature of the incoming air rises (only happens when stationary) you only lose about 2-3 BHP. Where possible we also supply a heat shield to further reduce any temperature rise, but bear in mind the moment the car starts moving, the temperature drops to within a few degrees of the ambient air temperature.
I was thinking exactly the same thing as you bill !!!,
Does anyone know what size particle they are capable of filtering down to?, or the size of the largest hole in the filter element?,
Petrolhead Paul
17-12-2001, 11:35
Down to an electron I think.
I would imagine that its a mesh over a perforated plate.
I sell stainless stell fittings etc day in day out
We can supply filters (not for your car) with a 10 micron mesh (1000 micron = 1mm)
A grain of sand is average about 100micron, so i reckon between 50&100 microns
ibizacupra
17-12-2001, 11:58
Originally posted by Saul
I would imagine that its a mesh over a perforated plate.
I sell stainless stell fittings etc day in day out
We can supply filters (not for your car) with a 10 micron mesh (1000 micron = 1mm)
A grain of sand is average about 100micron, so i reckon between 50&100 microns
The ones I have seen are clearly see through and would stop stones and bugs, but I could'nt see dust particles from being caught.
The oil which Blitz say is a bad thing on gauze and foam filters, in the only thing actually catching the fine dust. They don't have anything sticky to catch the fine dust, and must rely on particle size... examples as you have made.
I wonder what particle size Blitz quote it filters down to?
As for the sound improvement... Well it would be OK only if it actually works as an a filter as well.
I caught a £700+ repair bill due to fine dust impacting on my valve seats and rings... This was with oiled ITG foam filters on my 16v, where the oil had been exhausted and left them running dry. Even when dry however, you cannot see through the triple layer density foam, like you can easily on a stainless steel filter.
They do "look" the mutts nutts though, and I was very tempted to buy one until I looked closely at it... I could'nt see how it could catch fien dust, so put it back... Having been burned once I have learnt the hard way... don't want a repeat.
Bill
Its a pity someone cant invent a water filtration method that bubbles the air through water to filter it as that gets everything out if the bubble size it fine enough, but can see it being possible to get enough flow rate without the water going through as well,
On the stainless filter, is anyone going to chance their engine to one of these?, dont think its going to be me for once!!, as i need a decent life out of my engine!, dont wat too many rebuilds throughout its life!!
Petrolhead Paul
17-12-2001, 13:04
Sorry Bill but how do you know for sure that running the filters unoiled destroyed the valves - maybe they were on the way out anyway. Hell, some people run with just one layer of mesh over trumpets and yes the engine will wear more eventually but it doesn't happen overnight does it?
I have emailed Blitz UK and put our reservations to them, asked what micron size they go down to, etc.. will post their reply up.
The Blitz website states that the filters go down to 20 micron filtration.
Mark
The filtration through the Blitz filters must be very good. There is no way in hell they would be used by so many top tuners if they weren't upto the job.
Do you really think those people with the 800bhp supras and skylines would risk using one if they weren't upto it?! I know of several Impreza owners using them for a while now without any problems. If I can get my hands on one I'll certainly be trying it out on mine. I'll happily act as "guinea pig"!
ibizacupra
17-12-2001, 13:49
Originally posted by Petrolhead Paul
Sorry Bill but how do you know for sure that running the filters unoiled destroyed the valves - maybe they were on the way out anyway. Hell, some people run with just one layer of mesh over trumpets and yes the engine will wear more eventually but it doesn't happen overnight does it?
I'll contact Blitz and put our reservations to them and see what micron size they go down to.
How do I know...?
The engine was scratch built for me and blueprinted. It has been leakdown checked throughout its life and after sprints events and track days. It was perfect..
The leakdown test showed inlet valve leakage and ring blow by... on #1 and #2 cylinder.
my foam ITG filters had been allowed to run dry during the summer and the inlet track felt both oily and gritty, almost akin to lapping paste... When I ran the leakdown test it showed my worst fears. When the head was lifted, and the valves removed and pistons, you could see impact damage frmo small dust particles on the valve seats and ring lands.
It cost me a lot of money to rebuild the motor, re-ringing it and re cutting the valves and seats. All for the sake of poor air filtration.
As a consequence, of this I am very wary of induction filtration. It was fine dust which damaged my engine, not coarse stones etc... If a filter can catch the small particles then it shoudl be fine, but quite how big a dust particle is I don't know. I just did'nt think that the Blitz stainless steel filter, by nature of the fact I could see daylight through it easily, would catch and stop fine dust from getting in.
I've learnt the hard way..
The Blitz filter does look superb and I was vert tempted..
If they had a warrantee to cover any damage and incurred costs in the event of engine damage through incoming induction dirt... then that would be more reassurance....
Don't get me wrong.. I'm not slagging anything or anyone off here.... just raising a concern.. I have been burned and would'nt want anyone else to also incur potential engine damage from inappropriate air filtration.
All the best
Bill
:)
I think 20 micron would suffice i make that 0.02mm.
But i do understand Bill's concerns, i wouldnt fancy an engine rebuild on a 1.8T.
TBH I havent a clue what size would be optimum for filtration and air flow, but if the mesh is that fine, then it would be almost transparent.
Whos goin to take the plunge?
Originally posted by Saul
Whos goin to take the plunge?
I will be trying one out as soon as I get a response from Star Performance as to the price and availability of them.
Petrolhead Paul
17-12-2001, 14:51
Originally posted by Saul
Whos goin to take the plunge? [/B]
Looks like me (oops Top Boss is gonna beat me to it!), unless Jim at Star has tried one on an Ibiza. Hope to hear from him in the next few days.
Surprised David "Monkey Boy" Arthurton hasn't got one on yet, then again unless its free or 90% off ;)
Be nice to get one on in time for the rolling road shootout but I want some feedback from the people I've contacted first.
Originally posted by Petrolhead Paul
Looks like me (oops Top Boss is gonna beat me to it!), unless Jim at Star has tried one on an Ibiza. Hope to hear from him in the next few days.
Surprised David "Monkey Boy" Arthurton hasn't got one on yet, then again unless its free or 90% off ;)
Be nice to get one on in time for the rolling road shootout but I want some feedback from the people I've contacted first.
Have you any info regarding the price etc or are you still waiting for his reply?
Petrolhead Paul
17-12-2001, 15:01
Originally posted by topboss
Have you any info regarding the price etc or are you still waiting for his reply?
No, could phone but I'm not in a massive rush. Its going to be at least £150 judging from the prices on the Blitz site for Scoobies and stuff.
Have just phoned and was told a price of approx. £195!!
Apparently they've been running them on several Scoobies, Supra's and a few VAG 1.8T engines with no problems. They're due to fit one to a Beeza turbo in the next couple of days.
Only thing I was told to be aware of was the fact they make a noise during gear changes a bit like an atmospheric dump valve.
Mark
Originally posted by dreamer
Only thing I was told to be aware of was the fact they make a noise during gear changes a bit like an atmospheric dump valve.
Mark
You will almost definately get a dumping noise when changing gear or letting off on the throttle after hard acceleration.
I get this at the mo' with my Jetex filter and "modified *cough* airbox. Sounds quite nice and not too over the top.
Petrolhead Paul
17-12-2001, 15:31
Originally posted by dreamer
Only thing I was told to be aware of was the fact they make a noise during gear changes a bit like an atmospheric dump valve.
Brilliant. And they are trying one in a couple of days, so none of us need be guinea pigs after all then.
don't need it Paul i am getting the first vector one off pipercross when they pull there finger out.
ibizacupra
17-12-2001, 15:50
Originally posted by Petrolhead Paul
Looks like me (oops Top Boss is gonna beat me to it!), unless Jim at Star has tried one on an Ibiza. Hope to hear from him in the next few days.
Surprised David "Monkey Boy" Arthurton hasn't got one on yet, then again unless its free or 90% off ;)
Be nice to get one on in time for the rolling road shootout but I want some feedback from the people I've contacted first.
That would be good to see for the 19th.. :)
What is the price of this by the way?
Bill
Petrolhead Paul
17-12-2001, 15:51
Any other plans in the pipeline Dave?
What the pipercross one you mean Bill?
its at RPM at the moment as it happens Paul.
Just recieved the following from Star Performance
"Chris we are doing our demo car on thursday with before & after runs on our
dyno will keep you posted."
Short and sweet! I'll keep everyone aware of any developments.
Does anyone know, or can they find out what the OEM filter element in the leon or beezer can filter down to?, might be a good way to compare the blitz
ibizacupra
17-12-2001, 21:44
Originally posted by gtevo
What the pipercross one you mean Bill?
Pipercross.. Viper one you mean?
bring it on :)
£195 for an airfilter is a shed load of Wonga!
cough cough... splutter plutter...
hmmm
Perhaps NOT then.. :)
Bill
yeah agree but it is made out of carbon and they are guving me it free so hey why not.........plus its £250
Does the Viper use a foam filter inside as the rest of the Pipercross range does?
http://www.performanceairfilters.com/main.html
The page doesn't state what the filter itself is made out of, just that it's contained within a carbon heatshield. Just interested whether it's still an oiled filter inside?
Petrolhead Paul
18-12-2001, 10:31
Originally posted by topboss
Just recieved the following from Star Performance
"Chris we are doing our demo car on thursday with before & after runs on our
dyno will keep you posted."
Short and sweet! I'll keep everyone aware of any developments.
Yeah, I got the same reply. Fingers crossed for a good result.
I emailed them again after that, about the availability of the filters.
He is going to run the Beeza round for a few days around xmas to make sure it performs well. If it runs right he will be ordering a load in for delivery during the first week in Jan.
Could be a good start to the New Year!
Ooops missed this one, i had a Blitz industion kit on my beezer and it blew the air mass sensor I am guessing this was because on a normal induction kit there is a certain porous element that holds water whereas in the blitz I guess this is not present I think that water got in throught the mesh on the blitz. I am currently using a JR induction kit that I cleaned and then re-oiled but made sure that I only used as little oil as possible and all has been sweet since then !
Hope this helps
Jimbo
Petrolhead Paul
18-12-2001, 12:12
Originally posted by JimR
Ooops missed this one, i had a Blitz industion kit on my beezer and it blew the air mass sensor I am guessing this was because on a normal induction kit there is a certain porous element that holds water whereas in the blitz I guess this is not present I think that water got in throught the mesh on the blitz. I am currently using a JR induction kit that I cleaned and then re-oiled but made sure that I only used as little oil as possible and all has been sweet since then !
Hope this helps
Jimbo
Arse. Just when things were looking promising. Was this an Ibiza 20VT Cupra Jimbo?
Did it happen when it was raining - and how long were you running the Blitz for?
Sorry to be a pain in the ass ! The car is a 2001 ibiza cupra bought the car in Jan fitted the kit in Jan and went in March during some heavy rain. I have since then had a shield fitted underneath the induction kit to try and eliminate the water coming onto the current kit, It may even work now with the Blitz. You could always try calling Steve at Ds Engineering (01322 387372) as seen doing my friend "Scary steves" MX5 in Fast Car, he is the cheapest I have found for Blitz gear anywhere and could fabricate some splash guards and some cold air ducting like *I have on mine down the front wing* worth a call.
*Did not have this ducting whilst the blitz was on, so not a contributing factor.
All the Best
Jimbo
Seat @ 15psi K03
MX-5 @ 15psi T2.8
Petrolhead Paul
18-12-2001, 12:51
Cheers Jim, there we all were talking about being the first and you had one on back in January!
Where is DS Engineering based? I'll be in touch - P.S. what did it sound and go like with the Blitz on?
Sorry about that I just thought I would do the decent thing and tell you all I managed to get the air mass sensor replaced by the dealer under warranty because I am on fairly good terms with them. The blitz sounded really really fantastic at low revs and was very well behaved at higher RPM not too vocal, still you knew it was there !! although you are asking a guy with a 3' down pipe and a complete straight through powerflow exhaust, noise is good except if you are a neighbour at 4am ! :eek:
As for Ds, Steve is very interested in making things for cars and is not the sort of person who will state "They do not make anything for that vehicle" he will make the nearest thing fit with the same amount of quality and design ! He is based in Dartford in Kent 2 mins from Bluewater and in the main is open 7 days a week ! Give him a wirl you will not be disappointed.
All the best
Jimbo
Petrolhead Paul
18-12-2001, 13:27
Thanks Jim, I'm in Surrey so thats just down the road for me. Willing to give it a try with a splash guard, etc. hopefully it'll be OK barring freak weather conditions ;)
Thats providing the power figures being tested on Thursday are favourable.
Petrolhead Paul
18-12-2001, 18:12
Rang DS Engineering and Steve said he'd fitted 2 Ibiza Cupra 20VTs with Blitz induction kits earlier this year (one being Jimbos).
The other guy hasn't reported any problems.
DS will fabricate a heat/water shield and fit the whole lot for a very favourable price, I'm booked in for early in the New Year if all goes to plan.
Sounds like a great place to go for custom work of this nature.
Paul
*DS will fabricate a heat/water shield and fit the whole lot for a very favourable price, I'm booked in for early in the New Year if all goes to plan.
Sounds like a great place to go for custom work of this nature.o go for custom work of this nature.*
Nice one, another thing that I recall about the Blitz kit was the much louder dumping I got from the Forge recirc valve almost on some occasions sounded like a vent to atmosphere at certain revs. Reading your post sounds like a great place for some custom work, Steve has at the workshop for me an Audi S3 K04 down pipe manifold etc is going to fit these for me and also has some brembo 4-pot calpiers and disks (as per Cupra R) he is going to make up some brackets and work out what is needed also we plan to make up a front mount intercooler for mine all the parts he has for mine it is just a case of time for me and him. Have a chat with him see what he can do for you. If anyone is interested in a front mount intercooler I will get some prices and also for the brakes. I seem to recall that the inter cooler on my mx 24' X 13' was a pace core that he used made up all the piping and the cost was around the 6 - 7 hundred mark not bad when you see the price of a forge one and if there would be enough people interested in any of this stuff I am sure that I could pursued him to drop that a little. Just food for thought !
All the best
Jimbo
Jim-r good point about water passing through bilitz induction kit.
I did some tests this morning K&N v Biltz. We placed both filters under a running tap both filters let the water pass through.
Then we sat both filters into a basin of water same reults. I guess no matter what filter you had on your car that day the mass meter would have failed. Now with that out of the way, where did the water come from well I think I have found the answer if you look at the inner wing beside the air box you will find a water way channel ,why seat left it there I never know but any water coming down there has a good chance of being sucked in. I hope this of help to all members only trying to help.
Jim
I'll still go for one methinks jim, i'll get a cup thing made up that shields the bottom half of the kit from that channel you mentioned.
Let us know how you get on with the tests
Cheers
Jim while you are on here how much to fit a front mounted intercooler to a ibiza .........it has a differentfront bumper then normal which allows a bit more room and will guide air into it......
David
Petrolhead Paul
19-12-2001, 22:35
Got an email from Jim at Star Performance this evening and he has some good test results. Solid 5bhp gain through most of the rev range and even more impressive torque gains at 8-10lb/ft through much of the range.
Also he said on the road throttle response is much improved.
Speak to him for further info.
P.S. There seem to be lots of Jims on this thread ;)
Havent seen a Jim Slip on here tho ;) (terrible joke innit)
Was that 5bhp increase on a standard 1.8T or is it chipped?
If it was standard then do you expect better gains on an RSD210 chipped car?
BTW, did anyone find how small particles the standard Ibiza filter filters?
Thanks
Ben
I hope you guys don't mind me joining you group, owning a Ford and that!
Anyway, Just to clear up a few facts regarding the Blitz filters, I recently fitted a C3 filter to my ST200 and was very impressed with the results. A 10 BHP gain from a filter is unheard of as far as I know!!
I moderate the Mondeo Enthusiast Group and most guys fit the 57i kit to their Zetecs and Duratecs and are quite happy with the 5 BHP gain from them. When I fitted the Blitz (From Star), I gained 12 BHP on the first run and 10 on the second, very impressive. A few Mondeo guys now want a Blitz!!
If it's power and a good noise you want, then the Blitz is the answer.
Check out the dyno slips on my website(Modification Section),for proof of the pudding.
BTW, I'm not on Stars books, I'm only writing to quell a few doubts on the performance of this unique filter.
Remember it's Visa I accept Jim :D :D
I'm booked in with DS Engineering on 12th January to have a Blitz filter fitted to my Leon.
I'll post my findings once it's all done.