View Full Version : Toledo V5, the perfect compromise!
Had a chance to drive a Toledo V5 (170bhp) yesterday, I think now I've found the perfect compromise for my next car.
I was split between the Modern safety, performance and reliability of the Leon Cupra, and the Handling, style, and Engine sound of the MG ZS180. The Toledo V5 takes the safety, reliability and Performance of the Cupra, with the engine note of the ZS. All it needs now is a stiffer suspension setup:D
And it managed 37-40mpg with the criuse control set at 85mph!!!
I love 5-cylinder engine notes....nice car.
Not as dramatic as the turbo'd cars, but Upsolute will still be able to coax another 15bhp or so out of it...
Its strange, I assumed it would have a silent 5-cyl engine note like the Volvo 850 and Audi 100 5cyl engines, instead it was a throughty raw not dissimilar to some V6's, the MG ZS included.
I thought it felt AS quick as the 1.8T Cupra, and it only had 500 miles on the clock!!!:D
I really fancy a V5 also. Glad to hear someone else rates them. The lack of posts here on them made me think I was the only person who thinks they are a good car! I was getting worried and thinking that there must be some major drawback I hadn't spotted. As far as I can see they are cheap, got a lovely engine (better than a 20VT?), well equiped (better than most executive cars), have good build quality and are spacious.
What more could you want?
I test drove the Bora V5 and didnt think it had much poke in it at all, but did sound nice as you said!, shame about the power (or lack of it!!) but then i think they have a lower output than the seat equivalent?
Don't forget me STAFFUK, I am still dead keen on a V5.
Like you, I think the Toledo has so much going for it.
Don't get me wrong, I haven't ruled out the Leon Cupra, but I think the Tolly (I hope that catches on!) would be a better car for me in the long run.
We had better keep reading the forum to keep an eye on things.
How long have you got until you are expecting to change your car.
I hope to change mid/late 2002. If I have saved enough.
Brian ;)
Originally posted by TDi 110
I thought it felt AS quick as the 1.8T Cupra, and it only had 500 miles on the clock!!!:D
Cupraman and I took one out at Castle Combe and weren't impressed with the pick up at all. We must have had a dud Lee?
Andy
Originally posted by Mosser
I test drove the Bora V5 and didnt think it had much poke in it at all, but did sound nice as you said!, shame about the power (or lack of it!!) but then i think they have a lower output than the seat equivalent?
Up until early this year the V5 was a 10v 150bhp in all applications, now it is a V5 20v it has 170bhp in all applications.
As much as I like the Leon Cupra and the low down torque of the 1.8T engine, most of my driving (Motorways) would suit the V5 due to its refinement. The extra equipement over the Cupra (i.e. Leather trim, electric seats, Sat Nav, Auto Wipers, Auto dipping rear mirror and Cruise Control) would suit my needs alot better. The down side is that, even though the boot is masive, the rear leg room is still quite poor for size of car.
A fully loaded import from Broadspeed, with optional Metallic paint, ESP, Elec sunroof, and Winter pack is £14,498 delivered to their UK depot.:D
Originally posted by djawol
Cupraman and I took one out at Castle Combe and weren't impressed with the pick up at all. We must have had a dud Lee?
Andy
I must admit it hasn't got the low down guts of the Cupra, but once its up and running its fine. I couldn't believe the one I drove had only done 500 miles, as the engine spun up really easy, the V5 is basically a V6 with a cylinder chop, and both Ford Galaxys my dad has owned with the VW VR6 engine (one with old 12v unit, and currently with new 24v engine) have run quite lumpy and strangled for the first 20,000 miles till run in...... Current one is getting better, now at 5000 miles.
Originally posted by TDi 110
I must admit it hasn't got the low down guts of the Cupra, but once its up and running its fine.
It was a bit of a brown trouser moment as Lee was pulling out onto a roundabout in front of a very large lorry. I think he said at the time that it was "A f***ing piece of sh*t"! :eek:
I couldn't believe the one I drove had only done 500 miles, as the engine spun up really easy,
Hmm, the one we were using for the ABS test was better. That had 25k or so on. Martyn managed to wheelspin in second. :)
Cheers
Andy
Originally posted by djawol
Hmm, the one we were using for the ABS test was better. That had 25k or so on. Martyn managed to wheelspin in second. :)
Cheers
Andy
The one I test drove had 17" alloys, but the TCS light still flickered on in the 1st 3 gears, although it was damp and lots of salt on roads.
The trouble is, when you are used to a car with low down grunt, like the TDi even, you think cars with top end but less bottom end grunt are slower. The Cupra feels slow to me at first cos it doesn't pull like my chipped TDi at low revs, but when I compare road speeds between 2 given points its obvious the Cupra is faster, if only slightly. For that reason even more with me, cos I'm so used to driving between 2000-3500 rpm, that getting into a petrol car again is a totally different experience.
Arpuc
I haven't decided yet but probably before the end of 2002. I have been thinking about other cars over the last month or so but I keep coming back to the V5's blend of performance, equipment, space, and value.
As I have said before, the 20VT is probably more fun. But I have learnt that however much power you have you soon get used to it and the V5 is not much slower and has other features I would find useful and enjoy.
What other cars are you considering?
Does anyone know what the day to day MPG figures are like for th V5?
I took the V5 out for about 30 mins, I used the computer to see what sort of MPG you could get, it may be 1-2mpg out going be other cars I've had, and double checked.
Urban/town (but not heavy traffic) - 24-27mpg (16-20 if lead footed)
Motorway (set cruise control @ 85mph) - 37-40mpg (29-33 if not using CC, and driving quicker)
The car had only done 500 miles so I suspect it would get better. It would suit me cos I spend nearly every Saturday morning, and Sunday Morning travelling 150 miles up the M1 or A1 to my girlfriends, and Cruise Control is still usable at that time of day:D
Cupramax
19-12-2001, 15:52
Hmm this brings back memories....
I had a V5 150 Toledo for a year. It was one of the first imported into the country in april 99 on a "T" plate and it felt a darn site better built then my current Leon. Engine was superb so cant understand various people on here's dislike and lack of performance qualms. Only problem I would say is although the boot is huge the aperture is not so it aint that usable. Also it really needs the sixth gear of the Leon as although the motor is super smooth its doing 3250 at 70mph were the Leon is a lot more relaxed at about 2800.
Economy wise my trip computer always read around 28mpg around town with 36-7 ish on a run. I also prefered the half alcantara seats to the full leather in the Leon
Hmmm, that mpg figure isnt too bad for a v5 2.3, but i suppose the 170bhp version uses a little more fuel
Originally posted by Mosser
Hmmm, that mpg figure isnt too bad for a v5 2.3, but i suppose the 170bhp version uses a little more fuel
See my note about the V5 170 I tested the other day...:D
Sorry TDI 110, missed that somehow!!
24-27 isnt very good for town driving though!!, do you think it could have been better had you had the car for longer?
Originally posted by Mosser
Sorry TDI 110, missed that somehow!!
24-27 isnt very good for town driving though!!, do you think it could have been better had you had the car for longer?
Probably, trouble is, when your used to getting 45mpg with a lead foot around town you don't tend to try too hard:D
24-27 is pretty good really, I bet the Cupra wouldn't beat that in constant Town driving if it is worked out properly... non of this "it did XX miles on half a tank" cr*p...:)
I could live with the mpg figures being quoted. Surely they are not much worse than a Leon Cupra. Most long term reports I have read from magazines say the Leon averages under 30mpg.
I would however welcome 45mpg not really because of the cost saving ( I don't do too many miles so it don't make that much difference to my overall costs) but because you don't have to stop to fill up every 300 or so miles. A real pain on a long journey.
If I was doing lots of miles I think I would buy a diesel.
I owned an old style toledo, and if the new one is better it must be a really cracking car! The build quality was head and shoulders better than my cordy and it was a lot nicer to drive - but alas you can't get a WRX kit for it (apart from that one with the nipple on the roof in another thread:D )