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Can you supply power gaskets as they list Awesome as a dealer?
Here is a link for info:
http://www.newsouthperformance.com/gasket.htm
Cheers,
awesomeade
11-07-2003, 09:30
Yes we can get anything from Newsouth, those gaskets will cost around £45 + post +vat
ibizacupra
11-07-2003, 11:54
DOH!
Now I find out.....
ordered a couple of these direct off em earlier this week!
:p
Originally posted by ibizacupra
DOH!
Now I find out.....
ordered a couple of these direct off em earlier this week!
:p
Do you rate them then bill ?
...anything that helps to keep inlet temps sensible is a good thing in my book :)
A
ibizacupra
11-07-2003, 13:36
Originally posted by monty77
Do you rate them then bill ?
...anything that helps to keep inlet temps sensible is a good thing in my book :)
A
Don't knwo yet.... not arrive dor fitetd yet.
Ibiza and Golf are getting them.
I do run a similar type product on my 16v Jetta and that reduced conducted heat temps by 30'C - V.Impressive
regards
bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Don't knwo yet.... not arrive dor fitetd yet.
Ibiza and Golf are getting them.
I do run a similar type product on my 16v Jetta and that reduced conducted heat temps by 30'C - V.Impressive
regards
bill
30degC reduction just by fitting a gasket ?!?!?! That has got to be worth the £60odd !!!
A
awesomeade
11-07-2003, 14:03
we've never tested them to be honest... newish product
their site says:
PowerGasket™ gives you up to 5% more power in your 1.8T by reducing the temperature of the incoming air to your engine. NewSouth Performance has designed an insulating gasket that radically reduces the heat transfer from the cylinder head to the intake manifold. This gives you cooler, denser air for more horsepower and performance from your engine.
Made from a high performance polymer, PowerGasket™ conducts on average less than 1/500th of the heat of the steel gasket that it replaces. Your intake manifold will stay 30-50° F cooler and your incoming air will stay 20-30° F cooler.
Cooler air, denser air, means more oxygen. Your engine sensors register these changes and will inject more fuel to give you more power. Cooler air also reduces detonation, so you can turn up the boost or advance your engine timing for even more performance gains.
PowerGasket™ has been designed for affordability, easy installation and no disruption to your manifold attachment and engine accessories. This means that you can simply swap your old intake manifold gasket for a PowerGasket. No buying longer bolts or installing multiple gaskets. In less than 2 hours, you will be enjoying a more powerful, better performing ride
I've seen approximately a 5 deg C on the golf. But then I'm only running 5-10C over ambient anyway. Doesn't realy help when you're boosting, but at least you start at a lower inlet temp.
...I was going to say that I wouldn't have thought it would make a lot of difference once you were moving a lot of air, surely there wouldn't be long enough contact with the inlet manifold to change the intake temp significantly...
A
awesomeade
11-07-2003, 16:20
Hi Guys...
Before i leave for the weekend a quick note.... howabout we arrange a group buy on these and get a good price sorted ? let me know how many are interested etc and i'll sort something out :)
I just wanted to give some information. I have used the gasket and it does reduce the temperatures as claimed. One problem I found, is that the material is soft and it 'Flows'. By that I mean that if you fit it on a car, you may find that it will need retorquing after a while. The problem here is not having to retighten the inlet manifold bolts, but the fact that the material 'flows' inside the ports. If you remove the gasket after some miles, you will find that the gasket has intruded into the port interrupting the inlet flow. One easy way to overcome this problem, is to ask NSP to cut the inlet port holes much bigger to allow for any material flow into the port area. Hope this helps.
NEVER skip modifying the manifold support bracket.
ibizacupra
13-07-2003, 17:05
Originally posted by monty77
30degC reduction just by fitting a gasket ?!?!?! That has got to be worth the £60odd !!!
A
Not Power gasket. A solid phenolic type thick gasket insulator.
Not got any results for Powergasket, but I have heard of the materials "flowing" issues. The Phenolic one was solid material and used another inlet gasket (one either side of insulator)
Just to clarify.... the 30'C reduction was with another make and on a 16v motor. This is the route I will look at after trying the Power Gasket version.
regards
bill
@ work we use a lot of thermo conductive gaskets for cooling etc
I guess this is an insulator. I could probably get a template sent to a supplier (who is on this forum) and see if he can get some made up
IIRC I paid about £7 for a sheet last week 12"x6" - I'm sure the tooling will cost some, but that's 3 gaskets worth almost.
will advise
M
ibizacupra
13-07-2003, 19:12
Originally posted by m0rk
@ work we use a lot of thermo conductive gaskets for cooling etc
I guess this is an insulator. I could probably get a template sent to a supplier (who is on this forum) and see if he can get some made up
IIRC I paid about £7 for a sheet last week 12"x6" - I'm sure the tooling will cost some, but that's 3 gaskets worth almost.
will advise
M
Excellent... and dare I say it Cool :p
Not too soft tho... as not to flow when compressed.
regards
bill
awesomeade
14-07-2003, 15:04
Hi Guys,
We're trying to get a group buy going with these on this forum and the UKmkivs one,,, If i can get 10 orders from here + there (each) I can offer them at £42 inc Vat inc Postage
I can't find the GB for this on uk-mkivs, whereabouts is it?
Shock_Xe
14-07-2003, 15:55
I could possibly be interested but 1st, what sort of work is involved to fit? Any other bits required? What would £££ fitting be?
Might be worth starting a new thread in the group buy section
Defo in for one, although postage will be high since I live in Greece but if it lows down the temp it's a must for me.
Shock_Xe
14-07-2003, 19:30
Started new thread to see what interest we get
Group Buy Thread (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20477)
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
I could possibly be interested but 1st, what sort of work is involved to fit? Any other bits required? What would £££ fitting be?
Looks easy enough to fit to me, just need to unbolt it using the Allen bolts that hold it onto your head.
maybe remove the intercooler pipe too.
I would change the bolts though (you can never change bolts often enough!) just as you really don't want to shear one.
Originally posted by m0rk
Looks easy enough to fit to me, just need to unbolt it using the Allen bolts that hold it onto your head.
maybe remove the intercooler pipe too.
I would change the bolts though (you can never change bolts often enough!) just as you really don't want to shear one.
Defo new bolts as they will be a stretch-torque design to be used once and thrown away.
Is this a new head gasket or inlet manifold gasket?
:cheers:
awesomeade
15-07-2003, 09:22
inlet manifold...
ibizacupra
15-07-2003, 11:23
Originally posted by Saul
Defo new bolts as they will be a stretch-torque design to be used once and thrown away.
Is this a new head gasket or inlet manifold gasket?
:cheers:
Stretch bolts on inlet manifold?
?Why?
You sure?
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Stretch bolts on inlet manifold?
?Why?
You sure?
Bill
nope, thought it was on the head
stand corrected :)
Anyone got any pics of what actually is being replaced
ie:a engine shot with a dirty big arrow pointing to the part in question?
Want to know the complexity of the job in hand fully before purchase.
ibizacupra
15-07-2003, 12:24
Originally posted by Deejay
Anyone got any pics of what actually is being replaced
ie:a engine shot with a dirty big arrow pointing to the part in question?
Want to know the complexity of the job in hand fully before purchase. Its just a thick, poor heat conducting gasket mate... On the link at the beginning. Goes between inlet manifold and cylinder head.
Bill
Originally posted by Deejay
Anyone got any pics of what actually is being replaced
ie:a engine shot with a dirty big arrow pointing to the part in question?
Want to know the complexity of the job in hand fully before purchase.
RTFP
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=210541
Mark
ive tryed to post a reply down in the GB thread but for some reason it wont let me :confused:
Anyway- put me down as a DEFO IN for the group buy for one of these. :)
Put me down for this, please.
Shock_Xe
16-07-2003, 20:03
Was quoted £34 for fitting from stealth plus the comment "Ill be surprised if it works!" Doesn't inspire confidence :) Still want one!
Surely we have enough now to go ahead with the group buy now? As im booked in for 15th Aug so need it by then!
awesomeade
17-07-2003, 08:53
Ok to keep us up2 date where we are with the group buy... so far got the following interested?
EddyH
Mike20VT
Deejay
smithrc
Shock_Xe
nfot
DU02
Ade, how much would fitting be at Awesome?
awesomeade
17-07-2003, 09:19
£30+vat for fitting
Me deffo,think I will try and fit it myself though
Do you have them in stock at the mo,cos i'm down your place again on the weekend?
Dan(yellow ibiza,in your place quite a lot)
awesomeade
17-07-2003, 10:13
No, we dont - we intend to get about 25 in hence the discount we're offering
I am in, but have a couple of questions.
1. How do I pay? I live in Greece you see... (VISA?)
2. How much for postage?
Waiting for an answer from Awesome.
awesomeade
18-07-2003, 09:14
1. Yes credit card is fine - i'll set up somewhere to make the order in our online shop
2. £10 to Greece
I 'll fax you all the needed info. I wouldn'y like to send my card's info over the internet. Thank you.
Here is what the peeps on Vw vortex have to say about these
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=669249&page=1
A very interesting read IMHO
DJ
awesomeade
21-07-2003, 09:20
Hi Guys,
Still need a few more people, so far got:
Mike20VT
Deejay
smithrc
Shock_Xe
nfot
DU02
Also, can the above message me with full details of their car/engine...
Shock_Xe
21-07-2003, 09:53
Originally posted by awesomeade
Hi Guys,
Still need a few more people, so far got:
Mike20VT
Deejay
smithrc
Shock_Xe
nfot
DU02
Also, can the above message me with full details of their car/engine...
what do you mean car engine? Engine codes?
awesomeade
21-07-2003, 10:12
yes as much detail as poss really
OK here's mine:
2002 Leon Cupra 1.8 20VT
Engine code AUQ
errrrr Imperial Blue :) ...Anything else?
Almost the same for me.
Leon 1.8 20VT, MY 2001, AUQ engine
Shock_Xe
21-07-2003, 18:12
IBIZA CUPRA 2001 20VT AYP ENGINE CODE
Seat Ibiza cupra 1.8 20vt
AYP engine code
awesomeade
22-07-2003, 08:59
re: creeping
------------
I've spoke to newsouth and he will be making the ports a bit bigger on his next run... he'd also like to know what the guy who had the prob torqued them to - the factory spec is 7 ft/lbs (10N/m??) ?
Originally posted by Deejay
Seat Ibiza cupra 1.8 20vt
AYP engine code
Same here - 2002...
I PM'd mine to you ade, but here ya go again....2002 IBIZA CUPRA 1.8T- AYP engine code.
Shock_Xe
22-07-2003, 12:42
when ya want cheques? As i need this before aug 15th as thats when its due to go in!
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
when ya want cheques? As i need this before aug 15th as thats when its due to go in!
is it confirmed if A) they fit yet, and B) have we enough people for the GB offer @ £42 all in???
awesomeade
23-07-2003, 11:36
You can send a cheque now, or when we're ready with all the orders I'll set up a secure online area you can order them (or call us with your card)
Still need 8 people total between here and ukmkivs
or www.briskoda.net
loads of tavia type people there.
awesomeade
23-07-2003, 12:58
yeah they're already in on it :p
Shock_Xe
23-07-2003, 14:49
Originally posted by awesomeade
You can send a cheque now, or when we're ready with all the orders I'll set up a secure online area you can order them (or call us with your card)
Still need 8 people total between here and ukmkivs
Id prefer the Online secure area. Lasiest and easiest way! :D
awesomeade
25-07-2003, 11:41
Hi All,
The power gaskets are being ordered today... so just need to sort out the orders now...
You can order online in our shop at:
http://www.awesome-gti.com/uk2shop-29.htm
IGNORE total price in shop - we will charge just £42 inc vat inc postage...or if you are in Europe £48 all in
Alternatively you can phone your order in on 0161 776 0777
Originally posted by awesomeade
Hi All,
The power gaskets are being ordered today... so just need to sort out the orders now...
You can order online in our shop at:
http://www.awesome-gti.com/uk2shop-29.htm
IGNORE total price in shop - we will charge just £42 inc vat inc postage...or if you are in Europe £48 all in
Alternatively you can phone your order in on 0161 776 0777
nice1 Ade- cheers for this.
Can i pop in and pay 1 day next week?
Originally posted by Mike20VT
nice1 Ade- cheers for this.
Can i pop in and pay 1 day next week?
me too?
awesomeade
25-07-2003, 12:08
yes :)
Shock_Xe
26-07-2003, 10:46
when can you arrange the online payment?? Also will it be rady b4 aug 15th?
Ta
awesomeade
28-07-2003, 10:20
Online payment is ready at:
http://www.awesome-gti.com/uk2shop-29.htm
Yes should be fine for that date
Shock_Xe
28-07-2003, 20:52
Quick Question, Just completed payment, But you supplied DeeJay (Dan) with an electrical Oil Pressure T-Piece (I have same gauges etc) the other week for his Ibiza 20VT for . Any chance you could put one in with the Power gasket and charge my card accordingly?
Thanks
Mike
awesomeade
29-07-2003, 09:38
they're £15 - i've added it to your order - lemme know if you dont want it
Shock_Xe
29-07-2003, 10:59
Originally posted by awesomeade
they're £15 - i've added it to your order - lemme know if you dont want it
No, thats fine thanks! Look forward to recieving it
Ade, can you let us know when these are in at your place please. Cheers. :cheers:
Shock_Xe
07-08-2003, 11:38
Whats the latest??
awesomeade
07-08-2003, 11:54
just waiting for em to arrive
Shock_Xe
11-08-2003, 21:25
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
when ya want cheques? As i need this before aug 15th as thats when its due to go in!
Any idea on delivery date cause time is running out :) Booked in this saturday! :p
Shock_Xe
13-08-2003, 08:33
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
Any idea on delivery date cause time is running out :) Booked in this saturday! :p
*BUMP BUMP BUMP* @ AWESOME GTI
awesomeade
13-08-2003, 08:52
Sorry, just waiting for them to turn up :(
ibizacupra
13-08-2003, 11:41
Mine arrived 2 weeks after ordering them.... as a guide.
I beleave these are coming from the states tho.
ibizacupra
13-08-2003, 13:23
Originally posted by Mike20VT
I beleave these are coming from the states tho.
My order predates the GB and was direct from the USA.
2 weeks for mine.
regards
bill
Shock_Xe
13-08-2003, 18:27
if it comes tomorrow then ship it straight to stealth performance for me. Other than that if I ainbt gonna be able to get it by Saturday 16th, (car in then) straight to my home address.
Ta
Shock_Xe
30-08-2003, 10:26
Any more updates/news??
spooky,
I called them yesturday... They are STILL waiting on their supply from the US...
Ade should be posting an update...
max_torque
31-08-2003, 00:48
One thing about these gaskets,
the ecu air temperature sensor is "upstream" of the head to inlet manifold mating face, hence the actual temperature of the air entering the plenum will be unchanged. the reduction in "upheat" to the air charge will only occur as the air leaves the plenum and sits in the manifold runners awaiting the inlet valve to open. on the Me7 ecu system fitted we calibrate what is called the "inlet manifold model" which corrects the temperature reading from the plenum air temperature sensor by adding an offset that accounts for the rise in air temp in the manifold runner and head port. this is quite a complicated proccess as the actual upheat depends upon lots of factors like coolant temp, air temp, charge temp, airflow etc.
the upshot of all this technical crap though it that you will really require a bit of a remap to advance the ignition to take account of your new colder inlet charge air. (the fuelling should self adapt off the lambda sensor overa few miles driving, but the WOT fuelling may remain a bit lean for some time and possibly perminantly.
i'm sure that adding the gasket will improve performance a bit, but the full effect can only be realised with a remap, unless you have adjustable ingition timing via the OBD port.
Shock_Xe
31-08-2003, 16:27
Originally posted by max_torque
i'm sure that adding the gasket will improve performance a bit, but the full effect can only be realised with a remap, unless you have adjustable ingition timing via the OBD port.
the rest of the stuff is way over me ehad but basically with Revo I can set the timing from 1-9 (running at 6/7 at mo 98.5 ron) so would the car benefit more by being on 7 rather than 6 (currently) with this mod on ??
im going to a meet tonite and there is a bloke with a mk4 20vt golf who has just got this gasket ! i will ask him what he thinks and let you lot know !
ibizacupra
01-09-2003, 09:34
the biggest gain will be reduced heatsoak into the manifold on slow running/stationary... The manifold heats up and the air temp sensor which sits in it does see manifold heat ahead of actual airflow charge temp.... once running airflow passing the sensor will recover, but initial readings will be radiated manifold heat biased and not the actual charge temp.
Got these insualtors myself but not had time to fit them yet.
run a similar thing on my 16v, and hot running (track) temps reduced by 30'C from this insulation. engine off heatsoak took longer, but was inenvitable.
regards
bill
awesomeade
03-09-2003, 12:19
Update:
Tracked the gaskets down, they arrived in the country over the weekend so i'm expecting them any time :)
thanks for keeping us updated Ade :)
Shock_Xe
03-09-2003, 15:12
dont forget my electrical oil pressure T thingy too! :)
awesomeade
04-09-2003, 13:49
These have finally arrived :) they got stuck in customs! We'll be sending them out today and tomorrow :)
Shock_Xe
04-09-2003, 13:58
yey! Cant Wait!
edit: are new bolts needed/supplied for fitting?
I got mine today, hope to have it fitted till the end of the month !!!
Shock_Xe
09-09-2003, 22:06
:( i havent yet!
got mine yesturday...
Mine wont be fitted till VAG-com dynos are working again...
Then I'll be able to see if there are any power differences (without remap)
ibizacupra
10-09-2003, 08:02
Originally posted by smithrc
got mine yesturday...
Mine wont be fitted till VAG-com dynos are working again...
Then I'll be able to see if there are any power differences (without remap)
I would'nt expect power gains.. thats not a ckaim for this product is it.
Resistance to heat soak & the subsequent fade in power is what this product is about.
bill
Shock_Xe
10-09-2003, 08:08
Originally posted by ibizacupra
I would'nt expect power gains.. thats not a ckaim for this product is it.
Resistance to heat soak & the subsequent fade in power is what this product is about.
bill
so its more about keeping/sustaining power than gaining?
they do actually claim power gains... 7hp if i remember...
could less 5psi momnets be expected?
looked back at the original site.... they claim 10hp and 6 ft/lb.
"Cooler air, denser air, means more oxygen. Your engine sensors register these changes and will inject more fuel to give you more power. Cooler air also reduces detonation, so you can turn up the boost or advance your engine timing for even more performance gains."
Oh and Mike,
"No buying longer bolts or installing multiple gaskets." :)
So.... "In less than 2 hours, you will be enjoying a more powerful, better performing ride."
Got mine:)
Can someone give me brief description of how to fit please? Anyone going to do a guide?
ibizacupra
10-09-2003, 13:54
Originally posted by smithrc
they do actually claim power gains... 7hp if i remember...
could less 5psi momnets be expected?
looked back at the original site.... they claim 10hp and 6 ft/lb.
"Cooler air, denser air, means more oxygen. Your engine sensors register these changes and will inject more fuel to give you more power. Cooler air also reduces detonation, so you can turn up the boost or advance your engine timing for even more performance gains."
Power Gains?.... no way. IMHO. Less losses when running and hot yea, probably agree.
5psi moments are unlikely to be heat related... but who knows... no one has ever explained what these might be caused by.
Cooler air etc blah blah is right, but this will just keep and sustain power not create it. Less prone to low speed heat soak... It WILL heatsoak when left at idle or switched off, but conducted heat from the head will take longer. Radiated heat will remain as before. It will get hot if left stationary after a run.
regards
bill
so on a general day to day motor - I wont see any difference then?
I've been taken for a mug :), sucked in by marvalous claims of easy power :) (not the first time and I'm sure it wont be the last)
ibizacupra
10-09-2003, 21:21
Originally posted by smithrc
so on a general day to day motor - I wont see any difference then?
I've been taken for a mug :), sucked in by marvalous claims of easy power :) (not the first time and I'm sure it wont be the last)
No mate.. not saying that at all.
Day to day, traffic enduced hot engine bay will heat soak the manifold for sure. Power Gasket will delay the heat soak effect and minimise this. This is'nt adding power tho which is what I was trying to say. Its helping you not loose heat affected power thats all.
Nett effect should definately be a benefit.
Run your motor from A to B, switch off and leave it for 20mins, and the manifold will be hot when you get back. It will be less hot, slower to heat up from conducted heat with a Power Gasket insulator, but radiated heat will still soak into the manifold.
I have em too mate... one for the Golf & one for the beezer.
I did'nt buy them for power tho, but reduced heatsoak and resistance for air temp hot manifold induced power LOSS.
regards
bill
has anyone fitted theirs yet?
Any VAG-COM logged data?
I've still got problems with my motor - now I'm back from my hols I might get change to sort it out...
Shock_Xe
08-10-2003, 23:53
no not yet, Im a lazy git. TBH I not expecting anything substatial especially with vag com as it changes all the time anyway! But for the £££ any improvement/cooling is a bonus!
just picked mine up b4 from the friendly chaps over at Awesome,gonna ***cough*** "attempt" to fit it tomorrow weather allowing.
seems pretty straight forward although I need some "special" grease or so I'm told.......
apologies for all the ""
Shock_Xe
10-10-2003, 21:44
Originally posted by Deejay
just picked mine up b4 from the friendly chaps over at Awesome,gonna ***cough*** "attempt" to fit it tomorrow weather allowing.
seems pretty straight forward although I need some "special" grease or so I'm told.......
apologies for all the ""
u need gasket sealant or something! And i thought by the time i buy that and a torque wrench i might as well pay £30 to get it fitted!
After much bloodshed and knuckle smashing on the bloomin manifold and suddenly remembering why I didn't become a mechanic when I left school,The Ibiza is now complete with power gasget.:D
here is my "technical" thesis of these.
without power gasget: touch the inlet manifold with fingers after a good blat,result=running fingers under cold tap,ouch.
with power gasget: touch the inlet manifold with fingers after a good blat,result=warmish:)
As you can see I'm still as technical as ever and it was simple to see why this reduction in temp occured once I had the old one off and compared them side by side. the stock gasget is so damn thin,hence heat soak probs to the inlet manifold.
performance wise I simply dunno yet,too early to tell if it has made any difference other than helping to keep the temps down although in theory it should of improved.
Dan
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
u need gasket sealant or something! And i thought by the time i buy that and a torque wrench i might as well pay £30 to get it fitted!
forgot to mention, would imagine you could get some of this sealant form Halfords for pittance although I used some proper Vag stuff which I got off a mate.
You don't need a torque wrench just a decent set of allen keys,by that I mean an assortment of long/short reach ones as there is a lot of bracketry to remove before even thinking about removing the inlet manifold from the block on the ibiza.
Other things that might be useful: pliers,screwdrivers etc oh and some plasters:p
Shock_Xe
19-10-2003, 22:36
paid my mechanic £25 in the end :p