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After reading an article in this weeks Auto Car on this years tests, I noticed they had tested a Golf V5 20v (170bhp), assuming the Toledo will give similar results, thought I'd compare it with their results for the Leon Cupra.
Golf V5 20v (170bhp)
Max - 135mph
0-60 - 7.4
0-100 - 20.2
30-70 - 9.3
50-70 - 8.7 (in 5th)
test MPG - 25mpg
Leon 1.8VT Cupra
Max - 132mph
0-60 - 8.0
0-100 - 20.9
30-70 - 7.5
50-70 - 9.2 (in 6th)
test MPG - 25mpg
Just for interest really:D
132 for the leon???, mine does an indicated 147 standard!!!, even the manufacturers figures are higher than that!, are you sure you read the right column!!!,
and i have tried hard sometimes but never ever managed to get as low as 25mpg!!, i average better than 30mpg 95% of the time
and a golf v5 doing a faster 0-100 than the leon???, very strange?
Thats what I though, another quote that surpised me was:
"Regular readers of this mag are probably sick of reading about how sporty Golfs never live up to their hothatch billing. Well, we've got news for you - we're bored with writing it too, and now we've finally got an excuse to say something different, and here it is: The new V5 is a genuinely fun car to drive."
Originally posted by Mosser
132 for the leon???, mine does an indicated 147 standard!!!, even the manufacturers figures are higher than that!, are you sure you read the right column!!!,
I'm not stupid!!!:p
I can only go by the test results which use very accurate equipment. My old Primera GT was quoted at 136mpg, Auto Car quoted, from memory 130mph, I managed 147mph, although I know the speedo was out by 2mph at that speed. their tests are done at Millbrook bowl, this cuts top speed by a few mph too.
They must have had a large payoff to have said that!!!, the last time i test drove a golf it was as slow and soggy in the handling as every other magazine has said!!
It did have the £950 sports pack...:D
But thats not the point, I was talking about the engine, and thus the Toledo V5, not the Golf V5. In the end, you prefere the Leon Cupra, and I prefere the Toledo V5...
Just to thow some more wood on the fire............Auto express tested a V5 Toledo earlier this year and claimed they achieved 0-60 in 6.9 secs. I must confes though I have driven both and thought the Cupr to feel quicker than the V5. But basically the V5 is still a pretty quick car.
TDI 110, would you choose a V5 over your chipped 154BHP turbo diesel then?
After reading an article in this weeks Auto Car on this years tests, I noticed they had tested a Golf V5 20v (170bhp), assuming the Toledo will give similar results, thought I'd compare it with their results for the Leon Cupra.
"Golf V5 20v (170bhp)
Max - 135mph
0-60 - 7.4
0-100 - 20.2
30-70 - 9.3
50-70 - 8.7 (in 5th)
test MPG - 25mpg
Leon 1.8VT Cupra
Max - 132mph
0-60 - 8.0
0-100 - 20.9
30-70 - 7.5
50-70 - 9.2 (in 6th)
test MPG - 25mpg"
I noticed in the autoexpress issue 31 oct - 6 nov, they were comparing the leon cupra with the civic type r, there figs for that day were -
Leon cupra
max-142 mph
0-60 - 7.3 sec
0 - 100 ? not mentioned
30 - 70 - 7.0 sec
50 - 70 - 6.5 sec (in 5th) & 8.8 sec (in 6th)
i think maybe some of the reason there being a difference, i am sure i have seen that same yellow cupra and reg number on men and motors, driven, some other mags, so its been run in well!
0 - 100 is mucked up by having 6 speed box , need 4 gears to get to 100, 5 gear box on other vag motors can get to 100 with 3 gears,(is that correct) so losing time changing gear
we all know 0-60 or 0-100, does mean a great deal in the real world driving , how offen do we get to do that, in gear acceration in far more important, and the cupra does that very well indeed!
I was on dualcarriageway today , came of a roundabout on to dualcarriage side by side with golf v5, i was pulling away no probs
dave
Originally posted by dave
0 - 100 is mucked up by having 6 speed box , need 4 gears to get to 100, 5 gear box on other vag motors can get to 100 with 3 gears,(is that correct) so losing time changing gear
Mosser, yes, I would have the V5 over my Chipped TDi.
The 6 speed box adds an extra ratio, all the VAG group car I have driven still only give about 90-95 in 3rd.
QUOTE
"I was on dualcarriageway today , came of a roundabout on to dualcarriage side by side with golf v5, i was pulling away no probs"
My Chipped TDi will almost keep up with a std Cupra as i'm sure a few here will confirm, and the V5 is quicker than my TDi, so I would say had the Golf V5 been trying it might not have been "No Probs", then again, did it have a silver V5 badge, or a red and silver V5 badge, cos that donates if it had 150 or 170bhp.
My Chipped TDi will almost keep up with a std Cupra as i'm sure a few here will confirm, and the V5 is quicker than my TDi, so I would say had the Golf V5 been trying it might not have been "No Probs", then again, did it have a silver V5 badge, or a red and silver V5 badge, cos that donates if it had 150 or 170bhp.
Its always the same, no one never believes you:D
If think about it, the most important factor is power to weight ratio, and gear ratios
The leon has more bhp, better power to weight ratio
also, has full 235nm torque coming in at 1850 rpm - 5500 rpm,
flat torque curve,
also lower ratio gearbox, so how can a 170v5 beat or keepup with leon?
dave:)
Originally posted by dave
also lower ratio gearbox, so how can a 170 v5 beat or keepup with leon?
dave:)
V5 has same gear ratios give or take a little as Cupra less 6th. (i.e. will reach 40, 65, 90 in first 3 gears @ 6500rpm), granted, it is 64kgs heavier, but out on the open road weight doesn't play such a big part.
My dad's Ford Galaxy with the 204bhp VAG 2.8 V6 and 5 speed Auto is over 1750kgs (500kgs more than Cupra), yet it will keep up with a cupra on the open road, yet, from stand still not a chance!!!
Maybe the way in which its power is delivered plays a part??
Power band of the Cupra is 1950-5500 (i.e max torque-max bhp), yet the V5's power band is smaller at 3500-6000.
I can't speak for the Seats, but I can for my old car:
Primera GT power band 4800-6200, not very wide I hear you ask, and with only 136lb/ft@4800 & 150bhp@6200 you are right, but if kept in that band it would out accelerate a Vectra 2.5SRi V6, and slightly lag behind the more powerful Vectra 2.5GSi V6.
Obviously I can't confirm this, but it seems to me that as the power & torque were closer together it gave a bigger kick in that rev range!!??!! Can someone confirm this.
Dave, its not that i don't belive you, but unless you know the other person was using the correct gears (and many don't know how to) you can't compare. I would say in the real world you would have gained maybe 3 cars lenths by the time you was doing 100mph....
Dave, its not that i don't belive you, but unless you know the other person was using the correct gears (and many don't know how to) you can't compare. I would say in the real world you would have gained maybe 3 cars lenths by the time you was doing 100mph....
Agree with you mate, i think the best thing about leon is that you dont need to try hard to make it perform(flat torque curve), compared with v5 and your old car, like you say you need to know what your doing to get it to go well, i can just put foot down in any gear and it goes(lazy git that i am)
dave:)
I agree with Dave, When my Leon was in the garage having its water leak fixed I was given a Toledo V5 170BHP. I drove the car for 3 weeks and found it very enjoyable but it was a lot harder to get it going from a standing start because of the very nature of the engine, lots of revs dump the clutch and it will take off where as in the Leon you can just pull away and nail the throttle and wee hey we are off. I also found that if I wanted to overtake in the Toledo I had to stir the engine a lot more than I would in the Leon.
Two very different engines at the end of the day with very different power deliveries.
Myself I prefer the Leon but the Toledo was a very nice drive :D
Stick a Turbo on the V5 and we will be sorted :D
Exactly, its what each person preferes. Although I've had the pleasure of torquey TDi ownership for the past 10 months, I'm used to high reving petrol cars (Primera GT, Primera Sport VVT....) and I love the sound of the V5.
Other std features of the V5 suit me too, i.e. the cruise control.
Like I said in the other thread, stick the ABT Supercharger kit on the V5 (its bacicaly the same engine as the V6 in which there is a kit available), and you'd have 230+bhp....:D
:D yeah I had forgotten about the very cool engine note, I used to slow down and speed up again just to hear it, we so need a V5 Leon.
I would like a v5 leon turbo four wheel drive!, Mmmmm.....
Originally posted by bensaud
:D yeah I had forgotten about the very cool engine note, I used to slow down and speed up again just to hear it, we so need a V5 Leon.
I did the same under a tunnel, slowed down b4, and then accelerated through it:D
in the Leon you can just pull away and nail the throttle and wee hey we are off
you hit the nail on the head there mate!
dave:)
Another advantage of the V5 is that i can be converted to LPG with no power loss at all, because there isnt a positive pressure in the inlet manifold!, Hmmm.... !!!
V6 sounds even nicer though :)