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warren_cox
03-03-2009, 15:34
As I am completely (and when I say completely I can't stress enough how completely) rubbish I am at making decisions, the arrival of the '09' plate on a passing Porsche 911 at the weekend prompted for the forefront of my mind that in less than a year we will be saying goodbye to the S3.

This leaves me with 2 options. Buy new (very unlikely), or buy used (very likely).

But then another thought cropped up in my mind. I've had 4 cars on the trot that are forced induction, and to be honest whilst I like the perky power delivery and the cheap tunability, I'm growing tired of boost / air leaks, pipes blowing off, failed MAF's, heat soak, dodgy OE DV's, limp mode, etc......

Whilst it's great having a car with 300 odd BHP that only spits out 217g/km of emission and thus a fairly cheap tax bill, I am coming round to the point of view that a big fat V lump would be more consistent, less troublesome, and for the sort of middle aged driving I do, more appropriate.

I came within a gnats chuff of signing on the dotted line for an '03 plate E55 AMG before finally buying the S3 (both in the £32-35k bracket in 2007), but backed away from the E55 at the last moment when I eventually got to see the service manual (bills were regularly £1100 per service with not much done - over £2k with 2 rear tyres - dealer sourced-fitted).

There are some very interesting second hand 'V' engined cars around at sweet FA money. The reason I am looking this far in advance is on the off-chance I buy new, I need to put a few quid in the pot from my annual bonus to contribute (in Mar 09 & Mar 10), and maybe put in a pre-order in advance (long waiting lists on Focus RS / Audi TT-RS - in my dreams!).

I guess the ultimate question to those in the know is this:

Are normally aspirated V-engines more reliable overall than the slightly stressed turbo charged cousins?

Tempters in the used car 'V engine' camp on the shortlist are:
RS4 (V8)
S4 (4.2 V8)
S5 (V8)
M5 (V10)
M5 (V8)
M3 CSL (V6)

However I am mindful some of these cars are likely to carry some pretty big repair bills if anything goes horribly wrong (prepare for the worst, hope for the best!).

Also I guess it makes my modification passion pretty dead as you won't get much from these cars for 'beer money' like you would with a tubby.

Part of me would love to buy a nice straight Ibiza Cupra (R) 2002 and do a full BT / stage 2/3 rebuild - no corners cut. But if I do and it causes me loads of grief I'd be compromised as I am starting to have to do a lot of business miles of late. Also the S3 has given us a lot of comfort and I'd be gutted to lose that whereas the big 'V' motors offer a bit more middle aged cruising comfort when you turn the taps off.

I hate decisions - any wise advice for an old fool with an addled brain?

Feel
03-03-2009, 16:13
Ohhhhh, Warren's got that "itch". What I really hate is that you can never quite find something that ticks every box. It's just occuring to me that I have a bit over a year to be choosing my next one, so I feel your pain...

From your list, I would pick a B6 Avant 4.2.

4.2 RS4s are still loadsa money, as are M5s in either guise (although the V10 is very, VERY nice - the noise it makes is literally sublime. My neighbour has had a lot of trouble with his, though, mainly gearbox issues).

If I could contemplate spending that kind of money, it might be an RS4 Avant. Remember what JK said about his, compared to all his Ferraris and Porsches etc.

CSL's are nice, but everyone saw the new beemer chasing that E46 M3. I Know the CSL is a different kettle of fish, but it's still an E46. The E92 335D is a bit of a stonker of a car... Turbo'd though.

Part of me would buy a B6 S4, another part of me would get a 1.8T Quattro and BT it, OR a 2.0T and BT it. OR a B6 S4 and turbo it...

old 'uns
03-03-2009, 16:19
you realise asking that kind of question on here can cause trouble:whistle:
you might actually get some 'proper' answers in this section though:)

'Are normally aspirated V-engines more reliable overall than the slightly stressed turbo charged cousins?'

overall i'd say yes, although nowadays it seems all engines have a lot of electronics & sensors to go wrong.

as to decisions i'm no better.. lately i've been mulling over..
Ibiza to France permanently or buy a pickup to do same
Volvo 850R estate for work, mmmm 2.3 petrol, 20k + yr.. no
Skoda vrs diesel est for work..no, too 'posh'
looks like its a Mondeo estate then unless the C5 surprises me at MOT time even with its 180k

warren_cox
03-03-2009, 16:42
The older I get the harder it is to sign on the line, let alone make the right choice. It's harder as the car has to be 'all things to all men (& wife)'. Also as we're not brimming with cash it is important I don't buy a complete depreciation nightmare. I can face losing money, but not stupid money.

I'm in agreement with Phil that the last series S4 4.2 was a great car, but compared to the RS4 it felt a little on the lazy side considering its penalties of CO2/tax/weight/fuel consumption. The S3 feels quicker in parts than the S4, whereas the RS4 somehow feels so much more responsive.

you realise asking that kind of question on here can cause trouble:whistle:
you might actually get some 'proper' answers in this section though:)



Indeed, but then after my coilover thread I'm fair game!

I did think about a Cayman, but then thought wait until you can get a 911 or you'll always be making excuses.

I've seen so many people do incredible things to cars and then the weakest link just fails. The 1.8T is a very good lump, but I don't feel the FWD set up is good enough to make the most of it when seriously modded. I stand to be corrected, but again its a case of having a reliable every day driver which is ballistic when needed, but then has a modicum of civilised presence / comfort when you take your foot off the gas. Part time hooligan in stealth mode.

old 'uns
03-03-2009, 16:53
you'll never find the 'perfect' car, but the list you've got none of them are shabby
performance wise.. not a lot of difference to worry about, can anyone honestly say i 'feel' the difference between say 5 secs & 6 secs 0-60, 130-160 mph? it's just video game territory.. a 'kin blur

Feel
03-03-2009, 16:59
Cheapest RS4 Avant on Autotrader is £28,500 which doesn't seem bad at all...

ibizacupra
03-03-2009, 17:06
M3 is straight 6?

Feel
03-03-2009, 17:15
I assume he's talking about the e46 (old one, like Andy's)? e90/e92 (current one) is V8.

Fontain have a black RS4 saloon in at £28,500...

si-mate
03-03-2009, 17:16
Part of me would love to buy a nice straight Ibiza Cupra (R) 2002 and do a full BT / stage 2/3 rebuild - no corners cut. But if I do and it causes me loads of grief I'd be compromised as I am starting to have to do a lot of business miles of late. Also the S3 has given us a lot of comfort and I'd be gutted to lose that whereas the big 'V' motors offer a bit more middle aged cruising comfort when you turn the taps off.

How about doing the mk3 ibiza thing and using the change to buy a derv work mobile?

Are you really sure you want to buy Audi again after the grief the S3 has given you?

CupraSport
03-03-2009, 17:36
What about a Monaro they are real cheap now and have a very tuneable corvette engine in them. Early ones are 10k now. Servicing is cheap as well as are parts in comparison to the big Europeen V8's

warren_cox
03-03-2009, 18:22
M3 is straight 6?

Yup, your right, had forgotten that. The new V8 one isn't horrendous money, but probably more than I'd like to spend.

Fontain have a black RS4 saloon in at £28,500...

That looks quite nice. Wouldn't really want to spend over £30k so comes in around max budget for this car. Do like the avants too, so very tempting.

How about doing the mk3 ibiza thing and using the change to buy a derv work mobile?

Are you really sure you want to buy Audi again after the grief the S3 has given you?

Very good point re: Audi grief, but I'm sure I have a Friday afternooner. RS4 would be old enough to be serviced out of dealer network (so would use Morego / Dialynx or Fontain).

Wouldn't consider 2 cars as its twice the running costs (tyres / tax / depreciation / storage). It has to be a one size fits all. I love the Ibiza Cupra circa 2001. Light(ish), nimble and damn quick when in good tune. Still very tempting, and easier than a Lupo GTi 1.8T transfer.

What about a Monaro they are real cheap now and have a very tuneable corvette engine in them. Early ones are 10k now. Servicing is cheap as well as are parts in comparison to the big Europeen V8's
Very interesting motor, and I'd love to try one, but call me odd if you like, I'm not sure I'd actually want to own one long term. Can't put my finger on why as it's not badge snobbery (I'd happily drive pretty much anything), I guess it comes back to the fact I have to see some thought and beauty in the design of what I buy, and whilst the Monaro is a great car it just ain't pretty.