View Full Version : Ibiza BAILEY Atmos (Whoosh) New Valve Progress
Shock_Xe
26-07-2003, 10:55
As some of you may or may not be aware, Bailey have produced an Atmos Dump Valve (Whoosh) for the Ibiza 20Vt and is currently being tested on SE by a member. So to keep you informed of the progress (which looks good) for those who are interested. This is the reply so far:
"Richard at Bailey has just contacted me and has told me that the DV26 is. I have asked him about fitting and he has said thet the DV will go between the intercooler and throttle body? apparently you cut the pipe and add a t piece and bobos your uncle. The original dv is removed and pipes are removed and small samco stubby pipes are put on and then blanked off. Cost for the full kit is £153.84"
" WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
Well it's on and it's working fine... . Took about an hour to fit. As said before the DV is now part of the intercooler pipe so it is just behind the raidiator.. Took the car out for a run and all I can say is it sounds fantastic..... Car still pulls round to 1.3bar and still accelerates as normal...(ask Pukka) If the engine management light was going to come on it would have after the run weve just had. Just don't like the wastegate chatter (should it be doing that by the way). I think it has worked and Bailey have pulled it off....Very Happy"
Car is an APR'd Ibiza
Pics and data is being sorted sao i will post on here ASAP
bit oof class will they be producing the same product for theleon cupra r by any chance,
Dormouse
26-07-2003, 13:43
Need some pics....and also sound?
Dor.
Shock_Xe
26-07-2003, 13:44
I have already asked this and he said he will post Pics and Sound sample tonight so I will do straight away!
JAKE: I should imagine it will work on it too as its essentially the same engine. but will ask to confirm
I've been waiting for someone to put together a workaround for fitting a whoshhy DV to the 20VT, and alas, it seems to have been achieved.
Shock_Xe
26-07-2003, 17:42
first pic DV attached to intercooler pipe
Shock_Xe
26-07-2003, 17:42
Blocked pipe with samco hose
Dormouse
26-07-2003, 17:49
Did you get my PM in response to your PM question Mike?
Cheers
Dor.
Shock_Xe
26-07-2003, 17:54
err no! Nothing in my inbox!
Dormouse
26-07-2003, 18:01
DOH!, that's cos It wasn't you who posed the question....damn me for having too many programs running on too many monitors...all these usernames...:(
My Mistake
Sorry Mate.
Dor.
Any idea how this works at a technical level?
My understanding was that if any air was dumped to atmos then the ECU would get confused and adjust the fuel-air mixture incorrectly to compensate. If only a little air was dumped to atmos then the mixture would only be running slightly rich and so the car would probably feel fine (Although the exhaust would soot up pretty quickly)... on more powerful chiiped cars more air may be dumped, which would result in bigger mixture problems which in turn could cause stalling etc. This was seen with the GFB dump valve.
Any idea how Bailey have got around this? The fact that the car feels fine and no warning lights came on does not necessariliy mean all is well.... you would need a tool such a VAGCOM to check things over.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Bailey one doesn't work, I'm just interested in knowing how they got it to work. And if it is proven to work without messing up the mixture or any other side-affects then I'll get one for sure! :)
:cheers:
Ben
How about the N249 valve?
Shock_Xe
26-07-2003, 22:56
You guys know as much as i do :) Anyway from what I have read its something to do with it being closer to the IC and throttle body and further away from the MAF therefore not upsetting the MAF therefore fuel mixture. However he is the first dude to run one and 'Seem' ok usually you know when it aint right. Plus no other DV has been tried on this route!
but there is gonna be lots of data logging, dyno run and 300miles of testing so I will keep you guys informed as it progresses :)
Aint got a clue about the n249
I would put a link but its automatically ******** out
If you dont want chatter then buy a bailey dv26 and a fitting kit for a Lancia delta intergrale should cost less than £100 for both even from me.
Then fit the dump valve into the pipe that comes off the metel intake that goes under the air filter intake (dump valve should sit sideways) and fit the Lancia blanking plug (which is all the fitting kit is) into the pipe that is between the air filter and turbo.
Bobs your uncle fanny's your aunt, whooooosh with out wastegate and no ecu warning light. I've tried it and it works. I personally would like a silent re-circ valve with a little waste gate chatter, but whatever floats your boat
Hope this helps
Boyd
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
However he is the first dude to run one and 'Seem' ok usually you know when it aint right. Plus no other DV has been tried on this route!
I'd disagree that you'd necessarally know that its not right. Look at the GFB dump valve, there were plenty of people with unchipped cars reporting that it was fine on their cars, but in reality it had messed up the mixture. The change in mixture was too subtle to notice, so it still felt the same and had the same power and acceleration but the cars were running rich.
but there is gonna be lots of data logging, dyno run and 300miles of testing so I will keep you guys informed as it progresses :)
VAGCOM Data logging would probably be useful. A dyno run could still show that you have the same power as before, even if the mixture is slightly rich, and as mentioned above the car may FEEL fine. I think VAGCOM is the only way to be sure.
I have asked him about fitting and he has said thet the DV will go between the intercooler and throttle body?
When I get my IHI conversion I'm probably going to get a chargecooler and so wont have an intercooler. Any idea if this DV can be plumbed in to an Ibiza with an I/C?
I hope this DV does work... its about time us Ibiza drivers had some whooshy fun. :D
Ben
Ignore all the 'vagcom' logs about boost etc
what are the Air Fuel Ratios / Lamda values?
that will show you how your mixture is
Also - it matters not where you put the air in or out in relation to the MAF, if it's post MAF its going to be wrong.
Mark
Shock_Xe
26-07-2003, 23:43
Originally posted by BenS1
I'd disagree that you'd necessarally know that its not right. Look at the GFB dump valve, there were plenty of people with unchipped cars reporting that it was fine on their cars, but in reality it had messed up the mixture. The change in mixture was too subtle to notice, so it still felt the same and had the same power and acceleration but the cars were running rich.
Ben
Hey dont shoot the messenger! :uzi: :wave: the info is coming second hand from the posts on SE!
Granted the GFB 'Seemed' ok but Remember that was Part Re-circ!!!!! All 'fully' atmos valves showed power Losses, Stalls, Over fueling (Bad) almost immediatly and this is the first Fully atmos Valve that doesnt have these characteristics Straight away, So things look alot better than previous. however I doubt it will be perfect as I think you would need a re-map to suit and some re-plumbing for it to be done properly with No negative side afects.
Mork: i agree air/Fuel Ration is the important factor which needs to be monitored as that can seriously feck up everything and end up costing more £££ than what its worth!
how long have they trialed this valves for? is it early days yet??:(
chungster
27-07-2003, 13:05
Its making a chatter noise cos its releasing the pressure LONG after the turbo probably.
They've gone for fitting the dumper as close to the manifold as possible, AFTER the intercooler even.
Std, the dumper is straight after the turbo, and way before the manifold and intercooler.
Now, i'm not at all mechanically minded...but i'm not sure if this is trully doing what a dumper is supposed to do - releasing pressure so that turbo stall is avoided during gear changes.
blocking off the std 2 pipes (1 pre turbo/1 after) where the std dumper would have sat, is probably a bit like running NO dumper..and maybe thats why its amplified the wastegate chattering.
This also happens when you wind the GFB to full closure (it doesn't open basically).
Icecavern
27-07-2003, 16:40
The wastegate chatter means it's definately NOT working....
Any BOV can work on a 20vt if you have a strong enough spring in it. The problem is that all it's doing most of the time is staying closed and forcing air throught the wastegate. Hense it chatters... It's a nice sound but I wouldn't expect it to work for very long ;)
Where they are trying to put the valve isn't the problem. It's just the fact that to make it appear to work on the 20vt they have used a stronger spring.
Pete
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
Hey dont shoot the messenger! :uzi: :wave: the info is coming second hand from the posts on SE!
Sorry Mike, it wasn't meant to sound like I was flaming you... its just that I really want this to work, but in order to be convinced I'd like to know how they get around the normal problems at a technical level.
Any BOV can work on a 20vt if you have a strong enough spring in it.
But if the spring is too strong then surely this will cause the turbo to start to stall, thereby meaning that it will take longer to spin up again after the gearchange? This isn't what you want!
Ben
Shock_Xe
27-07-2003, 21:59
NP Ben :cheers: I too want this to work as its something I think the 20Vt is missing especially for those who have spent the £££ to make it got like shit and sound nice the DV would just finish things off nicely but not at the expense of power/problems. Im going to wait to see how it pans out, and wait until atleast a good few other people have tried it. I got the HKS SQV sitting here so was planning on using this instead of the Bailey but using their approach and with the same samco hoses and fittings and they are more than likely available seperatly. Also the HKS is adjustable so no need to piss about with a spring! Plus it sounds so sweet! (3 stages of sound)
anyway will keep you updated with progress as i hear it
Ta
Mike
ibizacupra
28-07-2003, 08:04
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
"especially for those who have spent the £££ to make it go like shit "
Mike
<EDITED>
"..... go like shit" or add these few words "off a shovel"
:p
Bill
Icecavern
28-07-2003, 09:35
Originally posted by BenS1
But if the spring is too strong then surely this will cause the turbo to start to stall, thereby meaning that it will take longer to spin up again after the gearchange? This isn't what you want!
Ben if the spring is strong enough it will basically hold closed most of the time. This will mean you will get chatter as the air is forced back to the wastegate. This is what is happening with the Bailey by the sound of it.
Pete
ForgeMotorsport
28-07-2003, 17:07
Been following this with interest and will be interested to see how it all goes ..............but I suspect that the Bailey valve is no different in its internal construction as all the other after market BOVs, Greddy , GFB, HKS, Apexi what ever they all run twin piston twin springs . whether you swop springs or use fine adjusters its all the same , the problem of the air being vented before the MAF , the car WILL run rich no matter what , and you may get idle issues .
The problem may not be evident at first but look out for gradual performance drop off especillay you chipped guys.
Best 100% way is an aftermarket Diverter valve and a good CAI ( induction kit) you get improved reliabilty with the valve , better induction performace and the chatter noise you require
Thanks for the info.
Is it not possible for the chip tuning companies to reprogram the ECU so that it knows not to expect the air to be recirc'd? Ok, I know this would probably require a change to the software logic area of the chip as opposed to the maps that they normally alter, but maybe someone has the expertise?!?!
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
28-07-2003, 19:52
Originally posted by BenS1
Thanks for the info.
Is it not possible for the chip tuning companies to reprogram the ECU so that it knows not to expect the air to be recirc'd? Ok, I know this would probably require a change to the software logic area of the chip as opposed to the maps that they normally alter, but maybe someone has the expertise?!?!
Cheers
Ben
Yep..
You run stand alone management.... which does'nt run MAF...
Kinda expensive way of getting a wooshy sound tho dont ya think? :p
Yea - I'm being sarchastic. :D
:cheers:
chungster
28-07-2003, 20:44
You might aswell go buy a £500 RST/R5GTT and fit a Bailey whooshy dumper, bleed valve to run 30psi, and whoosh till you've had enough!!
:D :D :D
To make it even louder, cut a hole in ya bonnet, fit a samco extension hose, and have the dumper sit OUTSIDE the car.
You can hear the whoosh for miles.
Got a neighbour with a very nice looking R5GTT...and its whooshes are mighty!
Thats where my Le mans dump valve is fitted.
Not had any problems with my ECM light but not a very loud Whoosh. Loud enough if you are outside the car or have the window open but, Radio on (can't hear it).
The only way you'll properly get away with an atmos DV is if you reporgram the ECU and give it another mass air sensor so that i knows how much air has been blown off.
Of course if you've got a big ice install, build a controller unit with a few micro switches under the pedal and get the ICE to play the whooshhh sound. :)
Or if your a buddung engineer. Install a second turbo that is there purley to power a dump valve :D:D
or fit air brakes,great braking and a whooshy sound when the air tank is full,or drive behind buses all day,people will think its you whooshing up the road.
more sarchy comments :p
Shock_Xe
02-08-2003, 10:19
Latest :( :
" It's coming off!!!!!
It's coming off.... Car is using way to much fuel, Had to belt it down the motorway this morning and found that I couldn't do more than 120mph and car was also surging when I put my foot down. Power then no power can't be having that when me and Si go on our private test track..LOL. So I am going to see what Bailey say this morning about it...."
" I have just spoken to Richard at Bailey and he has told me that they have had to take the DV26 off another chipped beeza as it was not running right... Richard has offered me a full refund or an exchange for a DV30 and a ally pipe to go in the intercooler pipe. Going to take the DV30 and a bit of money back. Good of Bailey to understand the problems and also offer money back or a replacement "
"Richard at Bailey has also added that the beeza is the only car with the 1.8t(chiped) that they are having problem with. They have fitted these to TT's A3's and so on. Back to the drawing board then me thinks.."
oh well getting closer
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
Latest :( :
" It's coming off!!!!!
It's coming off.... Car is using way to much fuel, Had to belt it down the motorway this morning and found that I couldn't do more than 120mph and car was also surging when I put my foot down. Power then no power can't be having that when me and Si go on our private test track..LOL. So I am going to see what Bailey say this morning about it...."
" I have just spoken to Richard at Bailey and he has told me that they have had to take the DV26 off another chipped beeza as it was not running right... Richard has offered me a full refund or an exchange for a DV30 and a ally pipe to go in the intercooler pipe. Going to take the DV30 and a bit of money back. Good of Bailey to understand the problems and also offer money back or a replacement "
"Richard at Bailey has also added that the beeza is the only car with the 1.8t(chiped) that they are having problem with. They have fitted these to TT's A3's and so on. Back to the drawing board then me thinks.."
oh well getting closer
shame really, but the words, we, told you, and so jump to mind!! knew this would happen. lets face it, it just dunt work!! tryed how many times now?! :confused:
Shock_Xe
02-08-2003, 10:37
Originally posted by Mike20VT
but the words, we, told you, and so jump to mind
Actualy the words "WE Told You" dont really apply as i said previously:
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
however I doubt it will be perfect as I think you would need a re-map to suit and some re-plumbing for it to be done properly with No negative side afects.
but still a shame none the less. Like I said in quote above this needs to be done to work correctly as the beeza is different to all other Vag 1.8T much more fussier ECU
Dormouse
02-08-2003, 13:18
No, It just isn't designed to make a rally-esque noise. Spending silly ammounts of money and development time to get it to do so is a little stupid (excuse my strong words) if you ask me.
Sorry :(
Dor.
I agree that it has been tried before but if no one tests new products we will never know will we!!
Daz..
:devil:
Dormouse
02-08-2003, 15:10
Yes, agreed. But it's about trying to do something (and spend silly money) to get what is in effect a 'noise' rather than a performnce increase.
Economies of Scale I think you call it.....:(
Dor.
But if money is no object. In any case a full refund has been offered so money has not been lost..
Daz..
:)
Dormouse
02-08-2003, 15:45
If money is no object give me some of the money :D :D
Dor.
Originally posted by widdowd
But if money is no object. In any case a full refund has been offered so money has not been lost..
Daz..
:)
If moneys no object im sure a nice EVO can accomadate a nice whooshy DV!! :p
Good of the tuner to offer a refund etc tho without any fuss. Lets see if they get it right this time, if they are going ahead to manufacture another? :confused:
This is a shame, I really wanted it to work, but from knowing how it works (Well, I know a little) I knew it wouldn't work.
I think the only way this will ever work is if a clever chip tuner akes the necessary changes to the ECU so that it doesn't expect 100% recirc, however I doubt any tuner is likely to invest much time in this just for a noise.
Ben
the only real way to run a atmos "i think " is to buy a dta or motec ecu , but i don't have that kind of cash !
real shame as a wooshy dv would have been cool
I guess you could rig up a recirc dump valve so that the recirc pipe has a whistle in it, and so everytime you change gear you get a deafeningly loud whistle!!! :D Ok ok I'm going! :jog:
Ben
yeah...or even sadder :o
Hook a pressure switch up to the recirc pipe...loudspeaker...pre-recorder woosh...big amp...I'll get my coat....
Peter
Sarcasm.............MMMMMMMMMMMMMMmm
Daz..
:bored:
I mentioned this to my "seat mechanic mate" about the atmospheric dv and its location and he said that they had come across one before at his dealers like this,and was causing all sorts of problems with the car.
He said that the stock dv was even still in place as well as the atmospheric type:eyepop:
In the end a oe dv was installed and it sorted the mess that had been made by this atmospheric dv.
He is also adamant that you cannot get one of these to work on the ibiza 1.8t..............I got lossed with his explanation why:redface:
Dormouse
04-08-2003, 16:28
He is also adamant
Really? couln't get him do do an impromtu performance at the next round of the Leon Cup could you? :D
Dor.
that was so bad, i laughed :p
Originally posted by Dormouse
Really? couln't get him do do an impromtu performance at the next round of the Leon Cup could you? :D
Dor.
PMSL
"stand and deliver"
LOL-Ive bin fownd owt,my spelin is dust plane cr@p!
I could always ask him for you though Dor
;)
DJ
Could always fit one of these instead..
http://www.takakaira.com/accessories/nightpager/nightpager.html
;)
Dormouse
04-08-2003, 18:18
As I always say to the Nova Fraternity.
'Ridicule is nothing to be scared of' :D
Dor.
Originally posted by Nippa
Could always fit one of these instead..
http://www.takakaira.com/accessories/nightpager/nightpager.html
;)
Fantastic...just what I had in mind! D*mn..there goes the patent... :p (someone save me from myself!)
andy_dea
10-08-2003, 21:09
i lad up north round me has a 1.8t golf and is running a sort of blow off valve this gives a chattery noise?
is it not possible to fit something like this to the ibiza? or can golfs be fitted with an atmo dump valve?
??
ibizacupra
11-08-2003, 16:20
Originally posted by andy_dea
i lad up north round me has a 1.8t golf and is running a sort of blow off valve this gives a chattery noise?
is it not possible to fit something like this to the ibiza? or can golfs be fitted with an atmo dump valve?
??
If you are hearing chatter from an atmo DV install, you are hearing the wastegate flutter with the surge... ie DV not working as its supposed to....
Long term is a likely failure.
Bill
andy_dea
13-08-2003, 08:02
no his blow off valve is a re-curculator
what happens is when the car is pushed harder (i think its over 3500rpm)
then on gear change the valve releases 75% pressure into the atmos
but appart from then its fully re-curculating
i dont know if it will work but its an idea??
andy_dea
13-08-2003, 08:10
GFB Hybird Valves
Idea valve for those with electronic throttle bodies who want that classic Whoss noise but don't want the engine check light. This valve works like the an by-pass valve under normally driving conditions but open the car up and the valves vents around 75% of the boost pressure to atmosphere on gear changes giving you that Whoss noise.
Valve is constructed from Billet aluminum with a Brass piston, spring tension is fully adjustable, vier the small nipple on top.
this is what it says on the web site he got it off?
anyone any ideas if it will work?
also does the golf have the same problem, or can they rub fully atmos dv?
Shock_Xe
13-08-2003, 08:16
Yup does work had one my self for about 3 months and many other people are running them. however it doesnt work on chipped cars only standard ones hence the problem and people wanting a atmos valve as most are chipped. I used the GFB Bov from impossible performance bout £150
andy_dea
13-08-2003, 08:25
mike, why does the chip make a diffrence?
cheers andy
Shock_Xe
13-08-2003, 18:26
something to do with running higher boost than standard (standard - 0.5bar 7psi, chipped 1.0+bar 15+psi) Just doesnt work and looses power and over fuels. Has been tried on most brands of chips
GFB Hybrid valves suffer the same problem as the Bailey ones... the missing (Dumped) air will result in the Fuel/Air ratio running rich. On a standard unchiiped car this increase in richness is not enough to cause a check-engine light (But you probably will find the exhaust turns black more quickly), but on a chipped car the increased richness causes more significant problems.
Many people that have the GFB DV on standard cars calim that it works fine, but that depends on your definaition of fine... yes it doesn't cause the car to stall, doesn't lose you any power/acceleration etc but it will be running rich even though you probably wont notice it.
Ben
Originally posted by andy_dea
mike, why does the chip make a diffrence?
cheers andy
cos it dumps more air out of the loop than std
thus causing bigger differences on the AFR
Mark
andy_dea
18-08-2003, 17:59
is it not possible to rectify the afr problem with an electronic meter which lets you ajust it and then running the vag com to check the engine so running ok?
The ECU control it, but the ECU doesn't know that X% of the air is being dumped to atmosphere. Any attempt to adjust the A/F ratio by any other means is likely to put the ECU into Safe mode.
You could buy a Motec ECU, but thats just a bit overkill for a whooshy dump valve! :)
Ben
Tony2Quick4u
26-08-2003, 10:11
Just buy an RS! You get a very nice atmospheric dump valve on that!!
;) :p :hide:
Ap_coupe
07-11-2003, 00:29
I have been told and heard a cupra running a Dynatwist induction kit and a Forge DV that u can get the whoosing affect.Althoe it wont be as loud as a atmosheric dv?What kind of noise can i expect?The car is running standard boost for the moment
Shock_Xe
07-11-2003, 00:51
Originally posted by Ap_coupe
I have been told and heard a cupra running a Dynatwist induction kit and a Forge DV that u can get the whoosing affect.Althoe it wont be as loud as a atmosheric dv?What kind of noise can i expect?The car is running standard boost for the moment
Its subtle, no where near as loud as an tmos. If you want it and plan on keeping standard then try the GFB hydbrid BOV (Part atmos, part recirc) Worked fine on mine standard and others. juts looses power on chipped. available from here (http://www.impossible-performance.cwc.net/mk4_latest.htm)
Ap_coupe
07-11-2003, 09:42
with the car running rich will i lose alot of mpg? Soz for all the questions i am a beginner when it comes to turbo charged cars
Shock_Xe
07-11-2003, 10:01
if the car is running rich u will kill the cat more than anything which aint cheap,
ibizacupra
07-11-2003, 11:00
Originally posted by Ap_coupe
with the car running rich will i lose alot of mpg? Soz for all the questions i am a beginner when it comes to turbo charged cars
Rich is bad... for economy and for the Kat. Stalling at junctions is another symptum of atmo DV.
Sure you want all this?
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
Its subtle, no where near as loud as an tmos. If you want it and plan on keeping standard then try the GFB hydbrid BOV (Part atmos, part recirc) Worked fine on mine standard and others. juts looses power on chipped. available from here (http://www.impossible-performance.cwc.net/mk4_latest.htm)
Or at least 'appeared' to work fine on your car. I'm sure you'd probably find it was running slightly rich or something... not enough so as you'd notice but still slowing damaging things. It may take a long time (Even years) for anything to fail (eg. cat) and so many people claim that its working fine.
Cheers
Ben
Ap_coupe
07-11-2003, 15:37
Suppose.HAs anybody got a recirc dv and induction kit and has a sound file for me to hear?
Shock_Xe
07-11-2003, 16:13
Originally posted by BenS1
Or at least 'appeared' to work fine on your car. I'm sure you'd probably find it was running slightly rich or something... not enough so as you'd notice but still slowing damaging things. It may take a long time (Even years) for anything to fail (eg. cat) and so many people claim that its working fine.
Cheers
Ben
probably, but whatever! as far as day to day running it seemed ok! Prolly the best out of the other Atmos valves
ibizacupra
07-11-2003, 16:16
Originally posted by Ap_coupe
Suppose.HAs anybody got a recirc dv and induction kit and has a sound file for me to hear?
here ya go.. http://www.seatcupra.net/video/hurr/P7160012.MOV
http://www.seatcupra.net/video/hurr/P7160014.MOV
Best I can find.
Note: Previous smaller Hurricane kit not Dynatwist, Forge DV006P and chipped Ibiza. (mine)
Ap_coupe
07-11-2003, 17:40
Anybody else got any sound/vid clips with the sound of there car?
Ap_coupe
03-02-2004, 14:28
could u not set up the GFB hydbrid BOV (Part atmos, part recirc) valve so it only dumps say 25% of the boost therfore not affecting the air/fuel mixture much?
Shock_Xe
03-02-2004, 14:30
Originally posted by Ap_coupe
could u not set up the GFB hydbrid BOV (Part atmos, part recirc) valve so it only dumps say 25% of the boost therfore not affecting the air/fuel mixture much?
It seemed to work on 'unchipped' cars mine included
Leepey74
03-02-2004, 16:44
Hello all,
Where can i get one of these dumpvalves? How much?
Where do i fit it??
Regards
Lee
ibizacupra
03-02-2004, 21:59
Originally posted by Leepey74
Hello all,
Where can i get one of these dumpvalves? How much?
Where do i fit it??
Regards
Lee
Which type?
Leepey74
03-02-2004, 23:57
Bill,
GFB dv, one with the trumpet looking bit on it.
do you sell these?
regards
Lee
ibizacupra
04-02-2004, 08:05
Originally posted by Leepey74
Bill,
GFB dv, one with the trumpet looking bit on it.
do you sell these?
regards
Lee
Nope.. I don't do them.
Recirc is all I will supply for a 1.8T motor running stock management.
Shock_Xe
04-02-2004, 09:33
get them here (http://www.impossible-performance.cwc.net/mk4_latest.htm)
Leepey74
04-02-2004, 16:16
Cheers mike,
Ive just ordered 1!!:D :D
Be whooshing soon,
Ive been there, done that with not very nice after effects when i tried the Bailey's DV and the Piper X induction kit.
Thank god for warranty!
Thanks again.
Lee:cheers:
"and gives you that whoss sound to let everyone know you are running a turbo!!"
is this really worth an extra £65 over the tried and tested recirc dv's?
Leepey74
05-02-2004, 19:07
unfortunatley its a sound ive always liked and was quite gutted when i found out that i couldnt run one on the cupra and now they have a dv that works without all the nasty after effects why not get one.
Regards
Lee
Originally posted by Leepey74
unfortunatley its a sound ive always liked and was quite gutted when i found out that i couldnt run one on the cupra and now they have a dv that works without all the nasty after effects why not get one.
Regards
Lee
Lee, do a search... there is currently NO whooshy dump valve for the 1.8T's that works.
Some people have tried them on standard (Non chipped) Cupras and they 'appeared' to work, but if you used a wideband A/F meter you would see that the mixture isn't quite right. On an unchipped car you probably wouldn't notice, ie. there would be no noticeable power loss, but it wouldn't be quite right.
The problems are amplified on chipped cars.
Sorry to put a downer on it, and I too would get one if they worked 100%, but the sad fact is that they don't.
Cheers
Ben
Leepey74
05-02-2004, 23:06
Cheers,
Ive tried the bailey atmospheric dv and it didnt like it at all.
The car kept stalling and it couldnt work out when to let the air go at high speed, even with my foot down on the accelerator it would let the air go, in the end the dv diaphram died and it started making a farting noise before the whoosh, so i got rid.
Also made a horrible eggy smell out of the exhaust!
Ok maybe i re-consider getting this "new" dv, especialy as its £145.
I dnt want to spend that just to take it off again after a few weeks of stallling and eggy smell.
Cheers for the advise.
Lee
Dormouse
06-02-2004, 10:03
Originally posted by Leepey74
Cheers for the advise.
Erm?....which you didn't take? :p
Dor.
ibizacupra
06-02-2004, 13:18
Originally posted by Leepey74
Cheers,
Ive tried the bailey atmospheric dv and it didnt like it at all.
The car kept stalling and it couldnt work out when to let the air go at high speed, even with my foot down on the accelerator it would let the air go, in the end the dv diaphram died and it started making a farting noise before the whoosh, so i got rid.
Also made a horrible eggy smell out of the exhaust!
Ok maybe i re-consider getting this "new" dv, especialy as its £145.
I dnt want to spend that just to take it off again after a few weeks of stallling and eggy smell.
Cheers for the advise.
Lee
For peace of mind reliable motoring.... fit a recirc... Forge DV007P is good. Priced @ £82inc vat to this forum from me.
If you want noise, then consider an induction kit for some woosh... eggy overfueld kat is'nt what you want, nor the stalling at junctions from the overfueling.
regards
bill
I had a atmos valve on my GT and while I like the sound it increased lag between gear changes. I don't recomend them. I'm running my OE bosch till I can get the 007p for £72 from larkspeed
Ibiza 1.8Turbs
08-02-2004, 18:58
I've had my GFB DV on my Ibiza Cupra for about 1month now and it works really well. It's fully adjustable to work as an recirc or an asmospheric, simply by tighten a bolt. You can adjust the amount of air you dump. Big whhooss, small whhooss, No whhooss.
Very good. Thanks ABD racing @ impossible performance