View Full Version : K04 manifold? How many of you are on one?
Hey lads,
looking for some feedback here...
How many of you are on a K04 manifold that comes with the Audi S3/Audi TT 225/Leon Cupra R?
I am, but isn't that to be expected from most of us LCR owners? :shrug:
wild willy
25-03-2009, 20:48
210 & 225 bhp engine is very popular over here. I've said it before, whoever makes a decent quality high flow version of these manifolds should do very well. Theres no other stock solution for it. The various ko3 high flow versions sell well. Several suppliers have expressed an interest in making one but to date nothing decent exists. If it performs and is priced in line with the ko3 version it should do very well. K04 hybrids are popular at the moment but the crappy manifold is holding it back.
what makes it crappy?Has anyone flowed an OEM unit?
wild willy
26-03-2009, 07:18
I don't know if anyone has flow tested an oem unit, but the runners are very narrow.
As above.
There are litterally thousands of these engines going about.
Many non KO4 turbo'd engined guys look to go KO4 aswell.
There is nothing around AFAIK for the KO4.
The fitments would be different (obviously) for the TT and S3's aswell due to the 4WD.
But I can think of at least 10 people that would be interested in the KO4 manifold, as Willy says theres lots of KO4 Hybrids, even just LCR's that are screaming out for a aftermarket manifold
Is the standard manifold THAT restrictive then?
Still supposed to be better than a k03 unit apparently.
The question is, what sort of gains are you looking at from an improved flow manifold?
Presumably nothing on the stock turbo but possibly significant on a hybrid?
I would doubt you could pin this down to an exact raise in boost or BHP. this will more compliment a freer flowing DP and exhaust.
This will deffinatley show benifits on the KO4 (non Hybrid) and if you have it on the hybrid is an easy swap
goodridge
12-04-2009, 17:05
I just found this one....
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=215702
Tad on the dear side though. Reckon you could do a bit better Issam?
I just found this one....
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=215702
Tad on the dear side though. Reckon you could do a bit better Issam?
Sure I can
I will put one on the flow bench soon
wild willy
16-04-2009, 22:38
Still supposed to be better than a k03 unit apparently.
not according to Bill it isn't.
Hard to believe that a manifold from a higher power platform flows less than the k03 variants.
I'm reasonably sure that the 225 manifold exists in only one variant in this country also.
Just can't believe why so many versions for the k03 exists but naff all for the k04....:ban:
K04 manifold would be a true PITA to cast up mate!
wild willy
19-04-2009, 08:21
K04 manifold would be a true PITA to cast up mate!
ah i see, is it because it sits at an angle to the main flange. How would you go about it......Tubular, cast or equal length ss.
we have something in the works that will be a universal flange .....so people can use it on K04s,T25 and T3s :D
wild willy
20-04-2009, 07:41
we have something in the works that will be a universal flange .....so people can use it on K04s,T25 and T3s :D
Interesting, it will need to keep the turbo in the stock position though to allow existing downpipe to be used.
Interesting, it will need to keep the turbo in the stock position though to allow existing downpipe to be used.
Will be easier to provide downpipes - an extra 300 quid wont hurt anyone :lol:
wild willy
20-04-2009, 08:14
Will be easier to provide downpipes - an extra 300 quid wont hurt anyone :lol:
It would hurt me.:cry::D
is there any way we could use one of your standard high flow BT manis but you make a link pipe to fit a K04 and keep it in the stock location.
speedinsaxo
20-04-2009, 09:05
I would be interested in a k04 manifold. Don't want to start mucking about with new down pipes etc... as already have one of those.
So it would need to be a replacement item that I can just change out, keping the turbo in the stock location. JBS are supposed to be doing something about this but that has been ages and ages in the making and I am not sure I trust them 100% with all the stories that go on about them on here.
A replacement item would sell much better too.
brandon888
20-04-2009, 22:43
is the lhd car k04 manifold same as the rhd k04 manifold .....
is the lhd car k04 manifold same as the rhd k04 manifold .....
Yes it is;)
brandon888
25-04-2009, 02:26
im running the k03s turbo at the mo and will be changing to the k04 turbo so ,so very interested on the k04 manifold ,but i know i will need the elbow to connect up from the manifold to the downpipe ,will u be doing the elbow too
I would be interested in a k04 manifold. Don't want to start mucking about with new down pipes etc... as already have one of those.
So it would need to be a replacement item that I can just change out, keping the turbo in the stock location. JBS are supposed to be doing something about this but that has been ages and ages in the making and I am not sure I trust them 100% with all the stories that go on about them on here.
A replacement item would sell much better too.
plus one.
Plenty of b.s promises for this manifold but no one actually doing anything, imo whoever actually gets off their ar5e and makes us one will make their selves a few quid.
Dave
plus one.
Plenty of b.s promises for this manifold but no one actually doing anything, imo whoever actually gets off their ar5e and makes us one will make their selves a few quid.
Dave
Dave,
The only way products get developed is with YOUR money.It is that simple really...I see guys who want want want stuff but when it comes time to pony up the cash they flake.
Case in point everyone wanted a baffled oil pan so I made one.I have yet to sell one to anyone in the UK.:(
brandon888
25-04-2009, 18:00
Dave,
The only way products get developed is with YOUR money.It is that simple really...I see guys who want want want stuff but when it comes time to pony up the cash they flake.
Case in point everyone wanted a baffled oil pan so I made one.I have yet to sell one to anyone in the UK.:(
the thing is with the baffled oil pan u r sell is more expensive than the other uk company r selling .... also baffled sump is baffled sump they all the same u dont see much goes wrong on them ,whereas on the manifold if u can build a manifold that wont crack then u got a very massive potential in the uk market ..... do u understand where im comin from ..
why cant you keep original position?
wild willy
25-04-2009, 20:11
Dave,
The only way products get developed is with YOUR money.It is that simple really...I see guys who want want want stuff but when it comes time to pony up the cash they flake.
Case in point everyone wanted a baffled oil pan so I made one.I have yet to sell one to anyone in the UK.:(
I understand where your coming from, after making an excellent hand built product i'm surprised it hasn't sold well over here too.:shrug:
The problem is until we see your manifold offering and have it costed its difficult for us to commit too. I know of approx 5 members that have expressed interest and hopefully would commit. I want to buy one soon and have started collecting names to approach TSR for a group buy on thier tubular offering (see link posted earlier in thread) for updates). But i'm sure that the others feel the same and would prefer to support a forum sponsor.
How many definates would you need to commence with a custom tubular k04-023 mani,
What will it cost,
How long till it was manufactured
Must fit stock turbo position, gas purged welds and have large high flow runners and collector.
Dave,
The only way products get developed is with YOUR money.It is that simple really...I see guys who want want want stuff but when it comes time to pony up the cash they flake.
Case in point everyone wanted a baffled oil pan so I made one.I have yet to sell one to anyone in the UK.:(
Issam
Unfortunately when you were making your one Backdraft motor sport were beavering away at one aswell.
You can't blame people for taking the easy option.
GB's are stressful for all concerned but at the end of the day the people get a good deal and the supplier gets a bulk sell.
If you can give people enough details about your products and when they will be available people might wait a bit longer for your specific ones
But
If during that time of prolonged waiting another equally god product comes along at similar or better price people will jump.
You have done alot of good things for us but sometimes things change.
We really appreciate what you do for us but not always at the right time for everyone
the thing is with the baffled oil pan u r sell is more expensive than the other uk company r selling .... also baffled sump is baffled sump they all the same u dont see much goes wrong on them ,whereas on the manifold if u can build a manifold that wont crack then u got a very massive potential in the uk market ..... do u understand where im comin from ..
Brandon I completely disagree with your post with respect to our oil pans.If you remember when I first started with the oil pans I was making billet trap doors to weld them into a stock OEM cast but no matter which way I looked at it ....it was STILL an OEM cast.
I am not here to bash any other companies product but for the price our oil pan is simply unmatchable.It is not just "they are all the same".For a couple extra pounds you get:
* A pan that will BEND not break or crack
* A kicked out section for additional oil capacity
* A complete oil pump pick up basket
* complete baffle design (not partial)
As for manifolds I understand totally where you are coming from but the sad reality is - ALL MANIFOLDS crack,whether it is 2 weeks,2 months, 2 years or 20 years
The difference lies in the companies that SUPPLY these manifolds.I have yet to leave a customer hanging even if it means giving them a 100% part exchange even though it is there fault.
How many definates would you need to commence with a custom tubular k04-023 mani,
What will it cost,
How long till it was manufactured
Must fit stock turbo position, gas purged welds and have large high flow runners and collector.
If you wanted a custom tubular K04-023 manifold WITH the turbocharger position in the same place as OEM,I Would need at least 5 people on board and the price would be around 900 USD.
@ 650 GBP for his manifold...thats a pretty good price considering what you are getting.
We really appreciate what you do for us but not always at the right time for everyone
I know mate.I have told many of you before that SCN is one of my favourite hang out spots.The guys on here are amazing ....I just wish there was a little more patience :lol:
brandon888
26-04-2009, 15:01
let say if the tubular manifold did occur a problem and i know u will give 100% part exchange not matter what .... but how long will it take to replace the new manifold (like ship it over to uk and will u be stocking some spare jus incase in needs to replaced)
as u aware of a company in this forum have admit the tubular have a fault and still now the matter hvnt been resolved ....
ibizacupra
26-04-2009, 19:18
my 2 penneth.. as K04 mani is not dead from my perspective, just not top of to do list..
with respect to warrantys, engine mounts would need to be uprated imho to offer any kind of warranty, as k04 fitment cars dont have great engine torque control as std, and more than just a dog bone would be on my list of things to want it to have, so downpipe flex does not torque onto the manifold.
Tubulars are time consuming to make. Time costs
I am not convinced when push comes to shove peeps will be as keen to step and cough up the dough when the price is confirmed. gains to be had vs return on investment??? :think:
jurys out.
like ship it over to uk and will u be stocking some spare jus incase in needs to replaced
I am getting to the point where I have a spare of everything always in stock.
Right now I always have 1 SEM manifold in stock and this time around I am making 5 of the adapter plates for the lads.
So more than likely if I do go the K04 tubular manifold...I will have a spare in stock.
Dave,
The only way products get developed is with YOUR money.It is that simple really...I see guys who want want want stuff but when it comes time to pony up the cash they flake.
Case in point everyone wanted a baffled oil pan so I made one.I have yet to sell one to anyone in the UK.:(
yeah i understand i wasnt having a pop at you , at least your willing to onsider it.!
Dave
ALL MANIFOLDS crack,whether it is 2 weeks,2 months, 2 years or 20 years
Serious question....
I've never read on the forums of an OEM manifold cracking, what is it about after-market mani's that makes them more likely to crack?
Serious question....
I've never read on the forums of an OEM manifold cracking, what is it about after-market mani's that makes them more likely to crack?
i have seen quite a few OEM manifolds crack.
people from the UK know how to take care of there cars.....truth sucks.
Good news everyone - we are moving forward with this.
brandon888
11-05-2009, 17:54
my mate manifold had a crack on it and that oem .........
ibizacupra
11-05-2009, 23:27
Serious question....
I've never read on the forums of an OEM manifold cracking, what is it about after-market mani's that makes them more likely to crack?
they do
look harder
Serious question....
I've never read on the forums of an OEM manifold cracking, what is it about after-market mani's that makes them more likely to crack?
As previously said they do crack. Alot of the aftermarket manis you have been hearing about cracking recently are tubular which it is much easier to see if it has cracked where they normally do along the welds due to the nature of the manifold.
my mate manifold had a crack on it and that oem .........
Got a pic for me?