Review: Sat Nav/Phone/PDA/Camera Detector on the cheap, and all in one! [Archive] - SEAT Cupra.net

dangel

05-08-2003, 08:17

I used to have the Snooper S6-R - until it went mental and narked me off; i took it all back (and got 440quid back inc. subscribtion) and started to look for alternatives..

I came across something called Tom Tom Navigator - a piece of software that runs on a PDA, providing satellite navigation. Whilst interested, it didn't seem to fufill my basic need - location of speed cameras via GPS. But, wait... further ready reveals that this isn't the case - there are freely downloadable POIs (Points Of Interest) which can be anything from a petrol station to (yes, you guessed it) a speed camera! Hurrah! So it looked as tho i could get satellite navigation (both flat and 3d btw) and a method of location cameras in one. Nice.

Still, this meant i had too be looking at the map fairly constantly to see them - so i searched for a plugin for tomtom to automatically warn me. I chose POI Warner - which simply lets you select a POI and have it warn you in three stages - approaching, almost there and 'bang on'. The speed camera POIs are available for FREE off the internet, and are VERY acurate in my experience - i'm paying no subscribtion for an out-of-date database (Snooper). Result.

Turns out, i was also in need of a new phone - or to be more acurate, my wife was pestering me for something smaller for her handbag.

I then came across O2's XDA - it's basically an IPAQ-type device but will full phone functionality built in. So I bought one. God it's good - in fact, it's brilliant! There's lots of info out there on the XDA so i won't go through all of it's functions but suffice it to say it's one of the few things i've bought that i can't find much to complain about - and i'm darn picky about my toys :)

The last piece of the puzzle was a GPS reciever - i bought this off Ebay from a nice chap who's selling them new, with the Tom Tom Navigator 2 software for under 200 quid. It's a 12-channel unit (12 satellites at once) and (unlike the Snooper) works in heavy rain and cloud cover. Sweet.

So what's it like in practice? Dreamy. You just get in the car, tell it where you want to go and sit back and listen to the nice lady speak out instructions (bit like when i'm out with the wife). It's incredibly accurate, automatically replots routes on the fly (try driving the wrong way, it'll try and turn you round but then replot if you don't) and lets you do some very cool stuff like 'the road ahead is blocked, re-route me' or take me to the nearest petrol station, restaurant or WHATEVER YOU like :) Another nice, German, lady tells me to watch out for the cash cameras and it just makes journeys a heck of a lot more pleasurable. I don't look at maps anymore, or worry about where's the nearest optimax point!

I'm also using the XDA as a video player, MP3 player, calendar/organizer, games console and so on (ad infinitum!).

All in all i've spent about 500quid (just 60 quid more than the snooper) without the worry of subscription fees (and far less cabling in the car btw!). Portable sat nav units general cost near enough 1000 quid on their own!

I bought:

1 x O2 XDA (300quid with 20quid a month contract 'online 50')
1 x Tom Tom Navigator 2 with GPS reciever (sub 200quid) - has a FULL UK map.
1 x POI Warner software (all of a tenner..)
1 x 256mb memory expansion (80quid) - you only need 128mb tho which is far cheaper.

I've also bought a aluminium hardcase for the XDA from www.proporta.com - very strong and actually lighter than the leather case that came with the phone.

Links for information:

Tom Tom - www.tomtom.com
Proporta - www.proporta.com
O2 (XDA) - www.o2.co.uk
POI Warner - www.navigating.de/TomTom_en/POI/Index.htm

:cheers:

driveforward

05-08-2003, 08:30

Originally posted by dangel
You just get in the car, tell it where you want to go and sit back and listen to the nice lady speak out instructions (bit like when i'm out with the wife
Good review, only question I have is: for it to alert you of cameras etc, do you need to have planned a route into the TomTom software, or does it simply just follow whereever you're driving?

:cheers: Ian

hydebear

05-08-2003, 08:31

Benn using this since the latest version of TomTom came out about 3-4 months ago, though I had (until it was nicked on Friday...!) a Toshiba e740 running it, rather than an XDA.

Have to say I agree with everything said - only problem is finding a nice way to mount everything but there are various third party mounts and brackets available to play with.

A great resource is Pocket GPS -

LINK HERE (http://www.pocketgps.co.uk)

dangel

05-08-2003, 09:06

Originally posted by driveforward
Good review, only question I have is: for it to alert you of cameras etc, do you need to have planned a route into the TomTom software, or does it simply just follow whereever you're driving?

:cheers: Ian

POI Warner simply monitors the gps location *as far as i'm aware* VIA tom tom (it plugs into tom tom itself, not the GPS layer so you do need to have the tom tom running).
I suppose if the route isn't planned tho, you'll not see the map with the location of the camera on it - depends whether you're bothered or not. In Tom Tom you can set up favourites and a 'home' point, so frequenty journeys are effectively preset anyway, making it no hassle to start the nav software before setting off. It's so easy to use it it wouldn't bother me.
I'll try it out next time i'm going through a camera zone tho!

dangel

05-08-2003, 09:08

Originally posted by hydebear
Benn using this since the latest version of TomTom came out about 3-4 months ago, though I had (until it was nicked on Friday...!) a Toshiba e740 running it, rather than an XDA.

Have to say I agree with everything said - only problem is finding a nice way to mount everything but there are various third party mounts and brackets available to play with.

A great resource is Pocket GPS -

LINK HERE (http://www.pocketgps.co.uk)

Yeah i got a vent mount with mine (a bit crap imho) so i'l prolly go with a holder. I reckon i can wire and mount everthing so theres just one cable to plug in (the snooper had THREE) and it's all hidden (GPS behind rear view mirror, cabling running under roof lining, down a pillar to dash).
Neatness is important to me too!

monty77

05-08-2003, 10:32

...any chance of some pics of all this lot connected and running?

Sounds ideal !!!

Can it run on any PDA?

Ta,
A

driveforward

05-08-2003, 10:51

Aslong as it's Windows CE..

monty77

05-08-2003, 12:47

Is this the bloke on Ebay you were talking about?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3037739894&category=14946

What is the in car mounting bracket like?
How is the receiver powered?

Dixons/PC World are doing the Toshiba E740 for £250 at the moment, VERY tempted.

Ta,
A

dangel

05-08-2003, 13:17

Originally posted by monty77
Is this the bloke on Ebay you were talking about?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3037739894&category=14946

What is the in car mounting bracket like?
How is the receiver powered?

Dixons/PC World are doing the Toshiba E740 for £250 at the moment, VERY tempted.

Ta,
A

I bought it from this guy:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3038201517&category=4668

BOTH the reciever and the phone (or PDA) are powered by the one cable - from the cigarette lighter (i'm going to hard wire this into the fuse box personally..). The cable splits into two - one part plugs into the PDA and the other goes to the reciever. The cable charges the phone too - so it's a car charger :)

The vent-mount is ok, but not ideal for a neat install (plus i don't want to block off one vent). Carriers for the PDA/XDA can be found on ebay or in shops - they don't cost much.

monty77

05-08-2003, 15:36

Hmmmmm - now I am seriously interested.

...looking into the option of buying the software / GPS receiver separately too.

1 other idea.... seeing as it's basically a PC with a GPS device attached now is there any software available to log speed/distance covered etc.....

Would be perfect for timing those 0-60/100/qtr mile times...

A

CraigH

05-08-2003, 17:55

I bought the Toshiba from PC world and added the TomTom2 kit to it.

Overall its very easy to use and accurate most of the time.

The only problems are that it can try to direct you down one way streets the wrong way and occasionally the directions are wrong. It does however recalculate the route very quickly though if it/you go wrong.

Definately worth buying IMO.

monty77

05-08-2003, 21:16

Anyone got pics of the mounting kit and how it looks on the dash?

Cheers,
A

hydebear

06-08-2003, 10:30

Examples of mounts (tho no Seat ones) HERE (http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/menu_custom.asp)

Sadly waiting on the insurance assessor to bother his ass so I can replace my Tosh.... :mad:

AndyM

06-08-2003, 11:30

Regarding the GPS device, I see that you can now get external Bluetooth GPS receivers which work with PDA and TomTom (or other s/w).

Certainly convenient in the car... less wiring.

Was considering putting the GPS bit on back shelf (assuming it works thru the heated screen), powered from the 12v socket in the boot, and power the PDA from the ashtray one.

monty77

06-08-2003, 11:45

Any idea if bluetooth on PDAs can be used to share an internet connection on a bluetooth equipped desktop/laptop pc?

Or do I need to go WiFi?

Ta,
A

dangel

06-08-2003, 14:25

Originally posted by AndyM
Regarding the GPS device, I see that you can now get external Bluetooth GPS receivers which work with PDA and TomTom (or other s/w).

Certainly convenient in the car... less wiring.

Was considering putting the GPS bit on back shelf (assuming it works thru the heated screen), powered from the 12v socket in the boot, and power the PDA from the ashtray one.

I would mount pda on top of the dash, next to the A-pillar, GPS cable running up inside of A piller, under roof liner and reciever behind the rear view mirror - result: no cabling to speak of. Power is on hand from the fuse box on that side too. Did look at the bluetooth stuff but the XDA doesn't have it and i thought it was a lot of cash xtra vs. any reall benefit. The GPS would still need power for example = cable or (worse) batteries.

GPS rec. don't work through heat reflective glass but should be ok on the parcel shelf (although i don't mind sticking mine up front - it's not very big!).

monty77

20-08-2003, 09:12

Got my TomTom kit today & bought an IPaq 2215 in Duty free last week - can't wait to play!!!

A

Feel

24-10-2003, 11:49

How is everyone getting on with their PDA/Tom Tom/POI Warner combination?

Any drawbacks/annoyances? Databases up-to-date? Incorrect maps?

Syphon

24-10-2003, 12:03

I've recently bought a Tomtom kit with an Ipaq. I've managed to negotiate a discount for forum members.

At some point I will be writing a review with further details. :)

Very impressed with it so far. :thumbsup:

:cheers:

Scott

Feel

24-10-2003, 12:17

Originally posted by Syphon
I've recently bought a Tomtom kit with an Ipaq. I've managed to negotiate a discount for forum members.

At some point I will be writing a review with further details. :)

Very impressed with it so far. :thumbsup:

:cheers:

Scott

Scott, I put the kettle on a while ago. Can you tell me if it's boiled yet?:spin:

Have you been using any of the speed camera/POI warning software?

sportbilly

24-10-2003, 12:32

I managed to get hold of a IPAQ from work no so long ago. I then bought the TomTom2 kit from www.totalpda.co.uk also a 128MB memory card and connection cable.

It all works really well and now cosidering having Sat Nav in a Cupra R when I finally get roung to getting it ... really depends how good it is.

Syphon

24-10-2003, 12:53

Originally posted by Feel
Scott, I put the kettle on a while ago. Can you tell me if it's boiled yet?:spin:

Have you been using any of the speed camera/POI warning software?

Kettle? You've lost me there. :confused:

I have the Origin camera detector unit - which makes the tom-tom poi side for cameras a bit redundant. However I installed the poi data out of interest and it seems to be a bit out of date. It said there was a fixed camera where one was removed a year ago.

:cheers:

Scott

Syphon

24-10-2003, 12:54

Originally posted by neg
I managed to get hold of a IPAQ from work no so long ago. I then bought the TomTom2 kit from www.totalpda.co.uk also a 128MB memory card and connection cable.

It all works really well and now cosidering having Sat Nav in a Cupra R when I finally get roung to getting it ... really depends how good it is.

Personally I'd stick with the tomtom kit and save your cash. With a decent car mount it does the job fine and has more functionality. :)

:cheers:

Scott

dangel

24-10-2003, 13:39

Can't live without it now. I have it all properly mounted in the car now so i can:

1. take calls on the move (legally i might add)
2. see a view of the road ahead (how long to the next overtaking straight) :)
3. Get warned of speed cameras
4. have full sat nav

It's very, very good. Seriously impressed with it :)

As for accuracy of speed camera POI's - depends what database you use. There's a number, and there's no subscription fee to pay (unlike commercial detectors). I recommend trying a very cool bit of software called "POI Warner" (check google) which allows you to set warning sounds for all sorts of POIs concurrently. So now when i get near a service area it goes "service area ahead" in a sexy male voice (mine) :) You can do it for anything you like. POI warner also has built in POI synchronization - so you upload POIs as well as download them. Better than that, when you see a new speed camera you can hit a button to record the position, and *then* choose which database to add to as well as to where it was on the road - right, left or middle. Same can be applied to any other POI - so i can add Shell garages to my shell database :)
You can assign any sound you like to the warning - and set the distance before the first and final warning. Also you can make it speed dependant, so if below limit no warning.

I used to get warned about cameras that didn't exist on the M11 by my old commercial gadget (Snooper S6-R NEO) so it's not unusual. Always better that than one that doesn't exist!

I'm currently using TWO databases SIMULATANOUSLY :) Which means if one doesn't have the other will :) I could add more too..

Nice thing is, cos it's a computer i can update/use any software i like - far less limiting than the 400quid snooper i had!

POI = Point Of Interest (just co-ordinates).

:cheers:

dangel

24-10-2003, 13:44

Originally posted by Syphon
Personally I'd stick with the tomtom kit and save your cash. With a decent car mount it does the job fine and has more functionality. :)

:cheers:

Scott

Quite agree - tom tom can do it in full colour, 3d, with voice prompts and is far easier to use.
Cheap as chips, twice as good!

Feel

24-10-2003, 14:01

Originally posted by Syphon
Kettle? You've lost me there. :confused:

I have the Origin camera detector unit - which makes the tom-tom poi side for cameras a bit redundant. However I installed the poi data out of interest and it seems to be a bit out of date. It said there was a fixed camera where one was removed a year ago.

:cheers:

Scott

Well, there I was just thinking about getting one, and you've gone off and arranged a GB. Just thought you had an extrodinary ability to see into the future, that's all.

I must admit, I liked the review of the B2, and it seems like that's what my choice comes down to - B2 or PDA/Tom Tom. I think that the PDA side of this is going to get much better (CF Radar detector anyone?) and having everything rolled into one seemes much better.

Some bits of the B2 seeme better - seemes to not only know camera co-ordinates, but also the speed limit in force on that road (warning you only when you're over that speed), and I particularly like the warnings around schools/time dependent warnings (warning you when the nearby school is at kicking out time for example). I'd be very interested if one of these bits of kit could also warn about dangerous junctions/roundabout/accident blackspots...

Edit-Just re-read Scotts review - accident blackspots number two on list...

dangel

24-10-2003, 14:17

I use a database of speedcams which are rated by speed, so "GATSO 30" for one group, so you just set limit as 30 in POI Warner. Can be done, as can anything really - just need the right software :)

Feel

24-10-2003, 14:44

Oh, I see. So the speed limit is database specific, not application wide. So you have a Gatso 30, Gatso 40, Gatso 50 etc each with a different set speed limit. So does it

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only warn if you're over the set limit for a particular db,
always warn you, but also display the relevant speed limit?
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Syphon

24-10-2003, 14:48

Originally posted by Feel
Just thought you had an extrodinary ability to see into the future, that's all.

LOL. :D

You will meet a tall dark stranger........... ;)

:cheers:

Scott

dangel

27-10-2003, 07:49

Originally posted by Feel
Oh, I see. So the speed limit is database specific, not application wide. So you have a Gatso 30, Gatso 40, Gatso 50 etc each with a different set speed limit. So does it

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only warn if you're over the set limit for a particular db,
always warn you, but also display the relevant speed limit?
[/list=1]

Yes and yes :)

Basically, it's all configurable. So for example:

- I have a database for each type of camera. GATSO30, GATSO60 etc.
- POI Warner lets you configure each one, so you choose:
1. which database (say GATSO30)
2. General tab: "First Warning" in seconds before you reach the POI (realtime calculated based on your current speed). "Last Warning" in seconds before you reach the POI. "Detection Driving Angle" - so that cameras on the t'other side of the road are ignored (or not, your choice)
3. First Warning tab: Choose *ANY* WAV sound file for the warning, and choose whether it should repeat.
4. Last Warning tab: as above.
5. Speed Limit tab: assign a speed limit. So for gatso30 you'd assign 30mph and it'd only play the sound if exceeding the limit. The warning bar still appears on the display (i think).

This of course means you can have sounds for any type of POI :) Fun fun fun..

You can also choose whether it interrupts the satellite navigation or not (handy) and configure a button to record new POIs on the fly (very easy when driving as the interface is incredibly good). It'll also auto-sync with an online database, automatically updating your POIs as well as uploading new locations to the online database.

Basically it does everything (and more) that a commericial detector does in a small shareware app that costs er.. about 10 quid :)

smithrc

13-11-2003, 11:01

I'm just setting up TomTom on my PDA (slightly older HP Jornada)

What POI databases are you guys using?
The PocketGPS one is missing loads that I know are there....

Any ideas?

dangel

13-11-2003, 11:08

Originally posted by smithrc
I'm just setting up TomTom on my PDA (slightly older HP Jornada)

What POI databases are you guys using?
The PocketGPS one is missing loads that I know are there....

Any ideas?

Try POIHandler.com for another..

Goot

13-11-2003, 12:43

Could a Sony P800/P900 be used for something like this?

Goot :)

dangel

13-11-2003, 13:18

Originally posted by Goot
Could a Sony P800/P900 be used for something like this?

Goot :)

Possibly. Two potential problems tho -

1. Screen too small (not good when driving!)
2. Dunno if tomtom support your OS!

Syphon

13-11-2003, 15:20

Originally posted by Goot
Could a Sony P800/P900 be used for something like this?

Goot :)

There is different software for the P800 (which I presume would work on the P900). It offers the extra function of providing live traffic information through your GPRS connection.

http://www.totalpda.co.uk/productView.asp?ID=4466&section=25

:cheers:

Scott

dangel

14-11-2003, 13:49

Preview of it here: http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/wayfinder-p800.php

Sounds like a good idea, although it should be pointed out that you don't need downloads for tomtom (BTW tomtom do-do a GPRS on demand package) navigator 2. My GPRS is a bit too expensive to use this on a daily basis! OK if you can download the route beforehand over a fixed connection i suppose, but i'd miss POI support (need this for speedcams for example) and i do like seeing maps for the whole uk when planning a route :)

Buy a cheap PDA and use it as a dedicated device - you'll probably be happier...

hydebear

26-11-2003, 08:24

If anyone's interested I've created a POI file of Seat Dealerships for the UK and Eire and it can be downloaded from the Pocket GPS site (http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/tomtompoi.php)

It's based on August's dealer list which I know is already a bit out of date, but I'll update it over Xmas - I'd be grateful for updates from folk who use it (my email is in the zip file).

If anyone wants the Excel sheet so they can use the data on other devices, give me a shout!

CARL BRIGHTON

26-11-2003, 08:45

Ive been using TOMTOM on my axim x5 for a while now, i have to say im seriously impressed!

ive downloaded the shell garages and Mcdonalds:D but the speed cam stuff is subscription only (12 euros a year) does anyone know how often the d/base is updated?

Syphon

26-11-2003, 08:50

Originally posted by hydebear
If anyone's interested I've created a POI file of Seat Dealerships for the UK and Eire and it can be downloaded from the Pocket GPS site (http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/tomtompoi.php)

It's based on August's dealer list which I know is already a bit out of date, but I'll update it over Xmas - I'd be grateful for updates from folk who use it (my email is in the zip file).

If anyone wants the Excel sheet so they can use the data on other devices, give me a shout!

:thumbsup:

Super cool. :)

Well done for doing that. Top job.

:cheers:

Scott

hydebear

26-11-2003, 12:28

Originally posted by Syphon
:thumbsup:

Super cool. :)

Well done for doing that. Top job.

:cheers:

Scott

my pleasure
(small bow!)

hydebear

26-11-2003, 12:29

Originally posted by CARL BRIGHTON
Ive been using TOMTOM on my axim x5 for a while now, i have to say im seriously impressed!

ive downloaded the shell garages and Mcdonalds:D but the speed cam stuff is subscription only (12 euros a year) does anyone know how often the d/base is updated?

there's a free one on pocketgps.co.uk - some folk say its not as comprehensive as others but you pays your money......

dangel

26-11-2003, 13:19

Originally posted by CARL BRIGHTON
Ive been using TOMTOM on my axim x5 for a while now, i have to say im seriously impressed!

ive downloaded the shell garages and Mcdonalds:D but the speed cam stuff is subscription only (12 euros a year) does anyone know how often the d/base is updated?

It gets updated by users adding them before synching i think. POIWarner has a very cool feature that lets you map a button to 'record poi' and then lets you choose which db to add it to. It then uploads new POIs when you synch.

CARL BRIGHTON

26-11-2003, 13:33

yea, i think i must of been blind.... i was using poihandler.com

now downloaded:D

TDi Dave

02-12-2003, 11:57

Dangel, you mentioned that you were using 2 db's for poi updates; which db's have you found most accurate for cameras ? How accurate is the sat nav - any 'wild' errors like turn left but there isn't a left to take ?

Also, did you have to take the A piller trim off put the cable in ?

dangel

02-12-2003, 12:41

Originally posted by TDi Dave
Dangel, you mentioned that you were using 2 db's for poi updates; which db's have you found most accurate for cameras ? How accurate is the sat nav - any 'wild' errors like turn left but there isn't a left to take ?

Also, did you have to take the A piller trim off put the cable in ?

Hi m8 :) db accuracy.. well they're not probably as complete as some of the more commercial ones but then i'm not paying 120quid plus a year for fees. Both the ones mentioned (pocketgps and POIHandler) i use and sometimes they don't have a camera - but i would say this happens pretty infrequently for me. If i see a new one i kit my magic button and record it with POIWarner and then update the online db. Personally, i wasn't happy paying three figure sums per annum just for someone to update a db (and it's mostly users that do the work anyway [by reporting new ones]).

Sat nav errors - yup, sure the maps are only as ever good as the data and i have been told once to jump off a bridge onto the m11 :) Only once tho! Some things like new mini roundabouts don't appear but this doesn't affect navigation as you can see where you're supposed to go on-screen. You'll get inaccuracy on any system - i think tomtom use a std map that most others use anyway.

A pillar. Nope, i pulled out the fusebox and wired everything in below, came up the side of the dash next to the A pillar and then just tucked the GPS cable behind the A Pillar itself, up to the roof, and then across inside the roof lining. The receiver is stuck to the windscreen just behind the rear view. The whole thing can be removed with zero damage. I have a suction cup mount for the pda next to the a pillar (the dash suits this) and so cables run up this. It's pretty tidy IMHO and doesn't obscure your view of the road.

Hope that helps!

TDi Dave

02-12-2003, 16:38

Dangel, thanks for the quick update. I've left Santa a strong hint about the Dell TomTom GPS package which looks a good deal at £360 all in. If Santa doesn't play ball then it's a must in the Jan sales!

Which fuse did you wire onto ?

I'll probably have loads more questions once I've set it up......

dangel

02-12-2003, 16:51

Originally posted by TDi Dave
Dangel, thanks for the quick update. I've left Santa a strong hint about the Dell TomTom GPS package which looks a good deal at £360 all in. If Santa doesn't play ball then it's a must in the Jan sales!

Which fuse did you wire onto ?

I'll probably have loads more questions once I've set it up......

I can sort some pics as a guide for you nearer the time - only too glad to help m8. The sat nav alone is worth the money imho - it's fab :)
I'm fairly sure i'm wired into (get this) the fuel pump as when i open the drivers door the unit powers up briefly :) Just pic a supply thats only running when the car is, else you're draining your battery ;)

TDi Dave

02-12-2003, 17:05

dangel

03-12-2003, 09:30

Goot

03-12-2003, 10:39

You lot have convinced me to go down the PDA+TomTom route :)

I think I want a HP Ipaq H2210. All the reviews I've read rate them very highly. Would like bluetooth, and the unit has both CF and SD (SDIO compliant) slots. Nice!

Not sure whether to go for wired or bluetooth GPS kit. I'll have a Bluetooth enabled PDA, but it's £70 more the the bluetooth kit. Not sure it's worth the extra?

My next issue - I want a new phone. Hence the idea of getting a SonyE P900. Obviously, this isn't going to be the case now. I want bluetooth in the PDA and also option of adding a Wireless LAN card at a later date.

With that in mind, the O2 XDA II is out of the question. It doesn't have bluetooth which I can live without, but also doesn't have an SDIO slot to add a wireless card in the future.

Obviously, I could have a bluetooth phone in conjuntion with the PDA. Which may be my only solution, and use a bluetooth headset with both phone and PDA.

Alternatively, could I use a Nokia D211 data card? Plug this into the SDIO slot in the PDA, and from what I can tell. Use the PDA as a phone as well? The Nokia D211 *is not* bluetooth enabled. But, if the PDA is bluetooth and D211 connected to the PDA, could I use the D211+PDA with a bluetooth headset? I'm thinking along the lines of eliminating another physical device in the car (XDA II would have been ideal if I didn't want the rest!)

Please hit me with your feedback

Monty77 - How much did you pay for your PDA (make/model) at Duty Free? I assume UK Duty Free?

Syphon - Group Discount on PDA and TomTom kit? Further details please.

Thanks
Goot :)

dangel

03-12-2003, 10:51

Originally posted by Goot
You lot have convinced me to go down the PDA+TomTom route :)

I think I want a HP Ipaq H2210. All the reviews I've read rate them very highly. Would like bluetooth, and the unit has both CF and SD (SDIO compliant) slots. Nice!

Not sure whether to go for wired or bluetooth GPS kit. I'll have a Bluetooth enabled PDA, but it's £70 more the the bluetooth kit. Not sure it's worth the extra?

My next issue - I want a new phone. Hence the idea of getting a SonyE P900. Obviously, this isn't going to be the case now. I want bluetooth in the PDA and also option of adding a Wireless LAN card at a later date.

With that in mind, the O2 XDA II is out of the question. It doesn't have bluetooth which I can live without, but also doesn't have an SDIO slot to add a wireless card in the future.

Obviously, I could have a bluetooth phone in conjuntion with the PDA. Which may be my only solution, and use a bluetooth headset with both phone and PDA.

Alternatively, could I use a Nokia D211 data card? Plug this into the SDIO slot in the PDA, and from what I can tell. Use the PDA as a phone as well? The Nokia D211 *is not* bluetooth enabled. But, if the PDA is bluetooth and D211 connected to the PDA, could I use the D211+PDA with a bluetooth headset? I'm thinking along the lines of eliminating another physical device in the car (XDA II would have been ideal if I didn't want the rest!)

Please hit me with your feedback

Monty77 - How much did you pay for your PDA (make/model) at Duty Free? I assume UK Duty Free?

Syphon - Group Discount on PDA and TomTom kit? Further details please.

Thanks
Goot :)

Ok lemme see if i can answer some of this for ya ;)

Bluetooth GPS - imho not worth it. You still need to run a power line to the device (else use batteries [argh!]) so what's the benefit? If you're leaving it in one vehicle don't worry about it.

O2 XDA ][ - *has* bluetooth m8! *has* SDIO too!! The XDA 1 doesn't by comparison. It's also faster than mine with a better processor, more memory and a better screen.

Sorry don't know owt about the D211.

Other options: if you buy the PDA with a CF slot too you can get a GPS receiver that will sit in that, and use the SD slot for extra memory. That's if it has both. SDIO refers to the expansion port - my XDA has an SD slot (for memory) as well as a expansion port (which isn't SDIO compliant). TBH tho, i've no experience of the quality of signal on CF units and they are quite bulky.

Hope that helps!

dangel

03-12-2003, 10:53

XDA II specs:

Processor type Intel XScale PXA263
Processor speed 400 MHz
Installed RAM 128 MB
Claimed battery life 15
Expansion slot(s) SD/MMC (SDIO-compatible)
Dimensions (WxDxH) 7 x 13 x 1.9 cm
Weight 190 g
Display size 3.5 in.
Display type TFT
Display resolution (pixels) 320 x 240
Display colour depth 16 bits
Integrated mobile phone yes
Operating system Windows Mobile 2003 for Pocket PC Phone Edition
Other features / comments integrated VGA-resolution digital camera, integrated Bluetooth

Goot

03-12-2003, 11:13

The reviews I was reading last week about the XDA II must have been related to the XDA I ... now I am interested. Will need to research the XDA II a bit more.... 02 shop at lunchtime :)

I also read a rumour that the peeps who build the HP Ipaq's also build the XDA? Anyone confirm?

Goot :)

dangel

03-12-2003, 11:22

Originally posted by Goot
The reviews I was reading last week about the XDA II must have been related to the XDA I ... now I am interested. Will need to research the XDA II a bit more.... 02 shop at lunchtime :)

I also read a rumour that the peeps who build the HP Ipaq's also build the XDA? Anyone confirm?

Goot :)

Yup it's true - well known in fact. HP turned down the original XDA as they couldn't support the phone side of things.

XDAII is 349ukp on any contract (or even without one). Which is strange, as you can usually get a discount for a more expensive contract. I phoned o2 and they told me that i couldn't upgrade as it hadn't been 12 months. Ok i said, so how much does it cost to just buy one sim-free? 349 sir. Ok - out of interest how much is the upgrade (if i could do it)? 349 sir. :rolleyes:

Still, it's a good price for a top-flight PDA with integrated phone anyways.

Might end up upgrading, but mine works well enough for me right now and if i spend any more money pre-xmas i'm a dead married man ;)
:cheers:

dangel

03-12-2003, 11:26

Lots of good info on the XDA1/2 here:

http://www.xda-developers.com/forum/

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Syphon

03-12-2003, 11:42

Originally posted by Goot
Syphon - Group Discount on PDA and TomTom kit? Further details please.

Send me an e-mail and I'll let you have more info. I'm preparing a review and full details at the mo.

Scott

Goot

03-12-2003, 14:43

Having had a look at the XDA II specs, think I'll go for that, as can get it on 02 250 for £189.99 PDA, £35/month line rental from e2save.com:-
http://www.e2save.com/e2001/php/matrix/disphandset.php?network=O2&handset=XDA2

However, for anyone else considering it, for the time being DONT purchase the Bluetooth version of TomTom as it doesn't work.

Much talk about it on the XDA Developers forum (link provided by Dangel). Someone is writing an update, seems to be a problem with the MS Bluetooth stack.

If I do go for the XDA II, will be a Wired jobbie. Might need some help Dangel with that one to make it look smart.

So at the moment: HP Ipaq H2210 v's XDA II, looking at XDA II as can get it at some serious discount on contract.

Just need to find discount on TomTom package.

Goot :)

Syphon

03-12-2003, 14:51

Originally posted by Goot

However, for anyone else considering it, for the time being DONT purchase the Bluetooth version of TomTom as it doesn't work.

Are you specfically referring to the XDA and the Tomtom bluetooth kit?

I've tried both the wired and the bluetooth versions of Tomtom with my IPAQ 2210 and the bluetooth version performed much better. Never had any problems with it. :)

:cheers:

Scott

Goot

03-12-2003, 14:55

XDA + TomTom Bluetooth kit doesn't work.

Other PDA's, not sure about it. Just what I read in XDA Developers forum, so I assume just applies to XDA. Must be the Phone version of Pocket PC 2003 operating system.

Goot :)

dangel

03-12-2003, 15:06

Originally posted by Goot
Having had a look at the XDA II specs, think I'll go for that, as can get it on 02 250 for £189.99 PDA, £35/month line rental from e2save.com:-
http://www.e2save.com/e2001/php/matrix/disphandset.php?network=O2&handset=XDA2

However, for anyone else considering it, for the time being DONT purchase the Bluetooth version of TomTom as it doesn't work.

Much talk about it on the XDA Developers forum (link provided by Dangel). Someone is writing an update, seems to be a problem with the MS Bluetooth stack.

If I do go for the XDA II, will be a Wired jobbie. Might need some help Dangel with that one to make it look smart.

So at the moment: HP Ipaq H2210 v's XDA II, looking at XDA II as can get it at some serious discount on contract.

Just need to find discount on TomTom package.

Goot :)

Doesn't sound bad at all mate :) As i said before, you'd still need a cable to the GPS unit (or batteries) so going wired for the car makes no difference. Wired is always going to be more reliable :)

As a sidenote you don't have to buy tomtom from tomtom ;) I bought mine on ebay with a wired GPS cable (which also charges the phone) and receiver for less money. You can save major money this route but do your research!

Other things to buy -

* Essential: proporta.com do a aluminum case for the XDA 1/2 and this is awesome. I dropped mine at the gym whilst running on the treadmill - as it fell onto the mill i stamped on it, and it zipped off and hit the wall. The case was a bit bent but the phone was immaculate. Live saver! Order one immediately if you order the XDA II. At the same time you might want the belt clip addon for this.
* suction cup screen mount. I've got a powered mount (with amplifier) which attaches via suction to the windscreen, next to the a-pillar. It's a neatest solution and doesn't require any cutting etc.

:cheers:

dangel

03-12-2003, 15:08

Originally posted by Syphon
Are you specfically referring to the XDA and the Tomtom bluetooth kit?

I've tried both the wired and the bluetooth versions of Tomtom with my IPAQ 2210 and the bluetooth version performed much better. Never had any problems with it. :)

:cheers:

Scott

Scott - would of thought that depends on the receiver as much as anything else. Why would a wired one be worse? Or are you talking just about the official tomtom hardware here? I'm using a third party one off ebay and it works a treat :)
:cheers:

Syphon

03-12-2003, 16:30

Originally posted by dangel
Scott - would of thought that depends on the receiver as much as anything else. Why would a wired one be worse? Or are you talking just about the official tomtom hardware here? I'm using a third party one off ebay and it works a treat :)
:cheers:

Yes the official Tomtom hardware.

I got sent both to try and tried them both in the same area in short succession of each other.

The wired one repeatedly got confused as to where I was and took longer to update. The bluetooth one was spot on with no problems whatsoever. :)

:cheers:

Scott

dangel

04-12-2003, 15:57

BTW theres a new POI database of SEAT dealerships at www.pocketgps.co.uk :D

dangel

04-12-2003, 15:59

Originally posted by Syphon
Yes the official Tomtom hardware.

I got sent both to try and tried them both in the same area in short succession of each other.

The wired one repeatedly got confused as to where I was and took longer to update. The bluetooth one was spot on with no problems whatsoever. :)

:cheers:

Scott

Either should work fine tbh but there's no reason why a wired one would be worse (in theory it should be better as it's less prone to interference). Sounds like a dodgy receiver to me!
Must stop myself buying an XDA II. Or anything else. My wife is sharpening her knives atm!
:cheers:

monty77

02-01-2004, 09:47

For anyone interested my kit is up for sale, I'm not doing any more travel (in the car anyway) with work and it's just sitting at home doing nothing.

I have:

HP IPaq 2210 PDA
TomTom software (offical with box/serial number etc..)
GPS receiver (wired)
Cig lighter power adapter cable to interface with PDA & GPS receiver
256Mb RAM SD card (enough to store all UK maps with loads left over)
Cradle

...everthing is boxed with manuals etc and in 'as new' condition. Purchased in August 2003.

Right now brand new this lot will cost around £520 ...
I'm asking £420 for everything.

This is posted elsewhere but I'd rather sell on here if I can.

Cheers,
A

PS: If anyone want's pics I can do them tonight...

Feel

15-01-2004, 12:33

Well, after much deliberation over which PDA, which Nav software, which GPS, I've finally joined the club.

Managed to convince work to get me a PDA - iPAQ 2210, and gone for TomTom with the wired GPS.

Really fancied the Haicom MMF because it's a both a wired and CF GPS, and can be upgraded to bluetooth with a "slipper" (like an expansion pack/docking station thingy). Anyway, got a cracking deal on the TomTom + Wired GPS through a supplier we use at work, so went for that instead (It was such a good deal I can probably buy a second GPS with how much I saved), as I'm also not sure that it's worth paying for a Bluetooth GPS.

I do travel in Europe a fair bit though, so it might be nice to get the portability of a bluetooth GPS (swapping cars etc), but I'll see how I get on with the wired one first then go for the Haicom MMF if I can't deal with it.

Next question, which POI Software are you all using?
Any pictures of mounts?
Wiring it in?
2210 loud enough in a Leon?
Muting the radio would be nice...

dangel

15-01-2004, 12:39

I use POIWarner which is really nice IMHO :)

I can sort a pic of my mount if you like - ideal pos. is to the right of the steering wheel just above the dash as it doesn't block view and you don't need to look down (or around) to see the map.
Also this is right next to the fusebox for wiring. I have the reciever behind the rear view, with the wire running under the roof lining and down the inside of the A pillar. No mess.
My mount is amped but i (tbh) don't use it. the XDA is loud enough with reasonable stereo volume and even on loud my POIWarner samples are easily heard over it (i use loud ones - can email these if you want them).

Feel

15-01-2004, 12:48

I never thought about RHS mounting. It does make sense, although I have a phone cradle in the usual position, so it might go next to that somewhere (have to get the car back from the bodyshop first though).

Pic of mount would be good if you can manage it :cheers:
Pic of connection to fuse box would also be nice, but understand if you can't be bothered. Which fuse did you connect to? Did you fit an inline fuse? I wondered about just connecting to the back of the fag lighter if I mount on the central instrument cluster. Actually, I could tap into the car kit power I suppose.

Is yours the Arkon mount then? (I never thought about recording LOUD wav files - genius!)

Which camera database do you use?

dangel

15-01-2004, 13:03

Best place for it - that way all the cabling can be hidden. I've got a suction mount - arm from the windscreen to a mount so it's suspended just above the dash - all the wires run down the arm and then under the dash - much tidyier.
I'm actually tapped into the fuel pump as this is only live when running - *think* the lighter works regardless so it's not ideal (drains you battery). What i did was to use the cigerette adaptor cable as a wiring box - the wires run into it, then on as normal - these usually contain an inline fuse which solves that one nicely (plus they contain power regulation - smoothing plus dropping the voltage typically). The whole thing is just taped (duck) to the inside of the dash to keep it from flapping about. It's a tedious job but worth it. Correct fused should be listed in the manual - make sure u use a good earth tho - there's some bolts under the dash (remove the bottom of the dash drivers side when doing it) that are ideal for this.
Loud wav files - yeah simple really - noone thinks of this but it's exactly what advertisers do with adverts (ever wondered why they're so loud compared to the movie?) and it's easily done with a wav editor. Do it so it's just *under* distortion and they're ya are :)
I use the www.pocketgps.co.uk database plus the er.. www.poihandler.com one atm (you can use more than one with POIWarner)

badlydrawnbanan

15-01-2004, 13:15

Monty77
you have a PM m8

:cheers: Mark.

Feel

15-01-2004, 13:18

Hmmm,

I suppose if it's wired into the fuel pump, and you've got a wired GPS, it can start getting a fix when you open the door, before the ign is switched on...

I knew that you could have more than one poi db, but it hadn't sunk in, I like the fact that the pocketgps one is updated with care, but I also like that the Check-POI and the others are split into speed limits so you get a warning if you are exceeding the speed limit. I suppose you get two warnings if you're using both databases?

dangel

22-01-2004, 15:52

Originally posted by Feel
Hmmm,

I suppose if it's wired into the fuel pump, and you've got a wired GPS, it can start getting a fix when you open the door, before the ign is switched on...

I knew that you could have more than one poi db, but it hadn't sunk in, I like the fact that the pocketgps one is updated with care, but I also like that the Check-POI and the others are split into speed limits so you get a warning if you are exceeding the speed limit. I suppose you get two warnings if you're using both databases?

Fuel pump: comes on for a few seconds when you open the door... then shuts down (it's priming the car only) so it's off again by the time you start. Remember that if the gps module is on *every* time you run the car then when you come back to it it's satellite lock takes far less time. In practice (for me) fix time isn't a problem at all.

Multiple warnings: yes can get very amusing at times ;) But you can do other fun stuff too - like have it make different noises when a sevice station comes up - mine says "sevice station ahead" :)