RS Focus Forces chip for a TDI-110 [Archive] - SEAT Cupra.net

9designs

19-08-2003, 13:43

Ok old question, but just spent the day with a RS Focus, and now I NEED power power/torque from my Toledo TDI –110.

I do around 25K a year- it needs to last
I don’t want to leave a trail of smoke up the A12
I want to pass my next MOT emission test.
I get around 50-55 mpg, I would like that to continue, assuming I drove it the same.

I would like it to be invisible ;)

So does that mean an expensive Superchips ?

Regards

Steve T

jezyg

19-08-2003, 14:07

In a simple word NO.

There are loads of chips out there for TDi's I was amazed coming from a petrol car. When you say invisible do you mean that it cannot be detected at the garage?

With a diesel you have two options, either a box that can be removed at any point or a stealthy re-program as opposed to a chip change.

You have the Tunit box 110 to 135Bhp and 174 to 204lbft torque for £375+VAT. Fitting takes between 10 and 30 minuites. Once fitted can be quickly removed. Or sold on if you get rid of the car.

http://www.tunit.co.uk/

For a chip replacement you have Upsolute for about £300 inc VAT and fitting
110 hp to 145 hp and 173 to 214 lbft torque

http://www.upsolute.com

Others you can try are:

www.tuningbox.com
www.powerchips.com
www.turbodiesel.uk.com
www.dieselchipping.com
www.tdperformance.co.uk

The likes of REvo and AMD sadly do not any re-maps for your car/engine.

:cheers:

prc

19-08-2003, 14:29

Originally posted by jezyg
The likes of REvo and AMD sadly do not any re-maps for your car/engine.

:cheers:

Yet! Revo is working out the flashing routines for the 110 at the moment.
It doesn't seem to bit a big problem in the UK but down here we've had alot of problems with the boxes. Dunno, but it might be due to the hotter climate.

sssstew

19-08-2003, 14:49

two people on here have got the TDperformance box and it sounds recommended, they are orangesprout and Jon TDI, they might be on soon.

But the TDperformance box gets 140bhp out of the 110, about the same as what revo will be able to get soon, and much cheaper, only £284 i think, where as revo (which is not a tuning box but a chip software rewrite) is £500

so basically the best option is a TDperformance box.

orangesprout

19-08-2003, 15:04

Hello,

AS ssttew rightly mentioned i've got TDperformance plug in box

It's adjustable (7settings) and can be removed in 10 min (half time taken removing engine cover) max is 140bhp and 285Nm torque (215lb/ft)

Box is about the size of matchbox and can be hidden and switched off with great ease.

Cost is £285 all in. Good value for money. Only downfall is if you constantly give it big ones it will smoke but you will get 55+ mpg.

I've ran mine for 10 months on setting 5 (approx 130 bhp and 270Nm (205lb/ft)) which for everyday use is great.

If your car don't have TCS - be very careful in wet if you mod.

:cheers: Orange

9designs

19-08-2003, 15:16

Thanks for the leads guy’s.

I would rather go the reprogram route, don’t want to mess about with a box. Why would I want to turn it down ?, I have a adjusting device on the floor, it’s called an “accelerator” pedal ……:D

The upsolute options looks ok, anyone tried it ? Perhaps I’ll call them, (that RS is going to cost me !.... sorry am I swearing :p )

After that I’ll want a set of stiffer dampers ! Roll on Cupra diesel Leon !

Steve T

PS No TCS ! !

prc

19-08-2003, 15:18

orangesprout

19-08-2003, 15:19

upsolute probably cheapest chip available and best with same gains as TDperformance box

costs £305

Phone simon on 01246 411021 or 07957 240822 for details.
He's very helpful- upsolute agent in uk.

(with box you can remove and sell when finished with car)

up to you matey.

9designs

19-08-2003, 16:46

£295 all in from the outlet in Kent.

I'm also told "Revotec" and "Jabba" are good ????

prc

19-08-2003, 16:57

Originally posted by 9designs
£295 all in from the outlet in Kent.

I'm also told "Revotec" and "Jabba" are good ????

As was mentioned Revo is working out the flashing routines for the 110. AFAIK jabba are only doing the serial programing to PD tdi's at the moment, so you'd have to go with a normal chip programing.

jezyg

19-08-2003, 17:03

Originally posted by 9designs
Thanks for the leads guy’s.

I would rather go the reprogram route, don’t want to mess about with a box. Why would I want to turn it down ?, I have a adjusting device on the floor, it’s called an “accelerator” pedal ……:D

The upsolute options looks ok, anyone tried it ? Perhaps I’ll call them, (that RS is going to cost me !.... sorry am I swearing :p )

After that I’ll want a set of stiffer dampers ! Roll on Cupra diesel Leon !

Steve T

PS No TCS ! !

Upsolute are excellent in their own right, although the program is not quite as well written as Revo. In the midlands we have Simon Coe who is the disributer/fitter. Excellent chap quoted about £300 all in for my Cupra, my BMW has not got a program for it yet.

But don't forget this is a chip replacment but Simon did assure me that it could easily be removed when neccesary.

9designs

19-08-2003, 21:36

Yep new chip, they copy the old one onto the new then add the new codes/maps. The old one can be refitted at a later date if required.
Plus on some ECU's they can fit a socket which means you can swap the chip over yourself. Mine might be few months to old for that.

143bhp min, may be more depends on how far I want it pushed, and how good the engine is as standard. 295NM Torque :D ( RS had 320)

1-2 hours fitting, not sure if gets put on a rolling road, or if it's just a chip swap. Forgot to ask :(

At present can't think of reason not to do it, payday soon !

orangesprout

20-08-2003, 09:54

Just for info - my Ibiza TDi 110 running plug-in box
on setting 5 (approx 130bhp and 270Nm)
is quicker than 130 tdi golf PD acceleration and mid range.

Don't know about 150 TDI - never came up against one - rare beast

So suspicion leads me to think it's running a little higher than expected.

If you going down chip route - irrelevant.

ta

Jon TDI

20-08-2003, 10:54

I was in the same position a couple of months ago.
I wanted to know which would be better - chip or box?
Both put out similar power figures. The chips tend to be more expensive over the boxes. I was looking for something with decent power, inexpensive, easy to fit & remove. I was seriously thinking about the Upsolute chip - Revo have a reputation of being good but are more expensive (£500+vat)
In the end, I went for the TD Performance box 'cos it fitted my exact requirements.
I've only had it 5 days, but I'm really pleased (see my "Grinning from ear to ear" post).
The last couple of days I used the car to travel up & down the M1 & M69. The average MPG recorded on the display was 63mpg! That's not hanging around either. Mid range torque is vastly improved - coming in at 2000rpm all the way to 4500rpm.
Like orangesprout, I have it set to position 5, so there is more power & torque available from the box if I need it.

But anyway, it's entirely up to you.

9designs

20-08-2003, 11:25

You guy’s are tempting me with a TD-P box.
I guess you all told your insurance companies, I mean your not going to be removing the evidence in the event of a miss-hap ;)

There is an agent listed in my Town, so I will give them a call. Could be a job for the BH weekend !

orangesprout

20-08-2003, 11:47

i fitted jon's for him last week at work.

15 mins for first time cos you got to pick up wiring for MAF sensor.

But for service can remove in 10 mins as mentioned earlier in thread.

Also useful to turn off if girlfriend or unknown drives car - just in case they either frighten themselves or give it too much!!
(thats my job - it's my baby)

DIY best option for plug-in unit- then you know what to doto remove.

:cheers:

9designs

20-08-2003, 11:53

Hmmm

Upsolute £295 all in
PD box £299 all in

So cost isn’t a factor, still kind of like the fit and forget of the Upsolute.
Though the PD Box could be sold when the vehicle is.

Hmmmm
:confused:

9designs

20-08-2003, 12:01

Originally posted by orangesprout
i fitted jon's for him last week at work.

15 mins for first time cos you got to pick up wiring for MAF sensor.

But for service can remove in 10 mins as mentioned earlier in thread.

Also useful to turn off if girlfriend or unknown drives car - just in case they either frighten themselves or give it too much!!
(thats my job - it's my baby)

DIY best option for plug-in unit- then you know what to doto remove.

:cheers:

Wasn’t offered a DIY option,

Also 8 or 10 wire module required? ? How do I check….

As a mechanical engineer, I would be happy to fit it myself !

sssstew

20-08-2003, 12:03

Originally posted by orangesprout
Also useful to turn off if girlfriend or unknown drives car - just in case they either frighten themselves or give it too much!!
(thats my job - it's my baby)

ahhh never thought of that... good thinking.... seen as i have just added my lady onto the insurance. ;)

basstard

20-08-2003, 12:24

9designs I'd suggest you a chip, the matter is simple:
if I'm not wrong, all the "boxes" use to fake the sensors' values going to the car's chip (engine temp, sucked air etc.). This can lead to damage (various Golf TDi 90hp blown in germany,,, fried engines, blown turbos etc.) IMHO the real trick is to change the turbo pressure and adjust the injection values (time and amount) by chip.
I got a 110 chipped to 13X, the chip is made by one of the most famous tuners here in Rome, anyway nothing near the Upsolute or Revo ones. My car should have 'bout 280-285 Nm of torque and believe me my friend, on such a lightweight car, that's kind of a big kick in the ass when I push it to the floor,,,
I'd definitely suggest a removable chip or a double chip with switch (but some people say that two chips won't fit into the original chip housing),,, a box would be great, (maybe even more power), it has a switch (7 positions!!!), can be easily removed, but all this goes secondary when you think of a possible damage, isn't it?

orangesprout

20-08-2003, 12:26

the 8-10 wire thingy is the plug in back off fuel pump.

you unplug the car fuel pump and fit the intercepting box bit

not exactly rocket science - I think he's trying to justify the extra £15 he's charging for the box.

I did swap for my 306 HDi one but was quoted £285 and Jon paid 280

So i'd bargain with them based on what i've told you.

prc

20-08-2003, 14:25

Originally posted by orangesprout
Just for info - my Ibiza TDi 110 running plug-in box
on setting 5 (approx 130bhp and 270Nm)
is quicker than 130 tdi golf PD acceleration and mid range.
Don't know about 150 TDI - never came up against one - rare beast

That cus your car's alot lighter than the golf + the golf has different gearing. My old ibiza was very quick even in stock form. 115hp PD audi A4 and VW passats could not keep up with my 110.

orangesprout

21-08-2003, 13:54

Originally posted by basstard
9designs I'd suggest you a chip, the matter is simple:
if I'm not wrong, all the "boxes" use to fake the sensors' values going to the car's chip (engine temp, sucked air etc.). This can lead to damage (various Golf TDi 90hp blown in germany,,, fried engines, blown turbos etc.) IMHO the real trick is to change the turbo pressure and adjust the injection values (time and amount) by chip.
I got a 110 chipped to 13X, the chip is made by one of the most famous tuners here in Rome, anyway nothing near the Upsolute or Revo ones. My car should have 'bout 280-285 Nm of torque and believe me my friend, on such a lightweight car, that's kind of a big kick in the ass when I push it to the floor,,,
I'd definitely suggest a removable chip or a double chip with switch (but some people say that two chips won't fit into the original chip housing),,, a box would be great, (maybe even more power), it has a switch (7 positions!!!), can be easily removed, but all this goes secondary when you think of a possible damage, isn't it?

I think that all of this is highly rare scenario but you will have same risks if using chip option

Correct??

prc

21-08-2003, 14:18

Originally posted by orangesprout
I think that all of this is highly rare scenario but you will have same risks if using chip option
Correct??

I really don't know. I've heard about alot more problems with the older type boxes (I think the new ones are better designed) than using chips. This might also be caused by people cranking up the dials on the boxes, where as with the chip you can't change things.

orangesprout

21-08-2003, 14:40

maybe - don't run mine on full power it's too wild if it rains on current setting (5 of 7)

plus it will smoke a little too much - don't want to give police a reason to stop me.

Early ones don't use the MAF to sense the amount of extra fuel - they use the all or nothing principal.

Mine uses the MAF sensed fuelling principal

Tdi 110

28-08-2003, 16:13

Originally posted by prc
Try PM'ing Neil (TDI 110). He's got 154Hp in his leon with the upsolute chip.

I've done 60k miles with the chip now (nearly 80k total) and had no problems with Smoke… well, it does smoke a bit more, but not noticably unless in car headlamps.

I tend to get 42 - 45mpg with a heavy foot, but as I only got 42 - 45 before the chip is is no different, my best was 54mpg on a 65-85 mph trip in Scotland (634miles on a tank). BTW that was acual calculated figures, not over inflated Trip computer figures!!!!!

If I was buying a chip now I'd go for Jabba, but only cos I've heard more reports from Jabba. I will be going the Jabba route for my forth coming Toledo 20VT.

Overall, I'm impressed with the Upsolute chip…..:D

9designs

28-08-2003, 20:07

That's great, I'm going the Upsolute route.

I normal do over 600 to the tank, up and down a dualie 65-80 :p

Should be in the next few weeks ( due some money :D )

Done some calling around, keep coming back to the Upsolute

Cheers all

Steve T

basstard

05-09-2003, 18:06

Orangesprout, i'm not sayin the chip is totally safe but at least it doesn't cheats the sensors' values going to the ecu leavin' all protection systems effective,,,
Somethin the boxes don't do.

driveforward

05-09-2003, 19:09

Originally posted by Tdi 110
If I was buying a chip now I'd go for Jabba, but only cos I've heard more reports from Jabba. I will be going the Jabba route for my forth coming Toledo 20VT.
By saying that do you mean a Jabba chip for the 20VT or your TDI? (wasn't aware they did the TDI110?)

driveforward

05-09-2003, 19:25

Found these boxes for £150....

http://www.mrhoot.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BB010

thewez

05-09-2003, 21:14

Hay, well it really depends what you want.

I was running larger injectors they gave about 150bhp and with a suitable chip and pump mod you'd easy get 170bhp with an intercooler and different turbo 190bhp+ is possible.

A turbo off a Passat 130PD will bolt straight on, just requiring a mod to the air intake pipe as its bigger. This will over come the 110's weak point, the turbo, also fitting the inlet manifold form a 1.9D vw give better responce and about 5bhp :D and remove the EGR system :D :D

Once you start getting into the area of custom chips Superchips is the only place to go in my book, they do all the VW-Motorsport chips, so have loads of data to hand and know where to start.

The mk4 racer and the caddy racer are both based on the TDi injection system and NOT the PD system and both are running over 200bhp.

With 17" running 225 F1's and the fat injectors got about 42mpg. But its VERY quick :D

Basicly if you want max MPG just go for a lower bhp chip. Tuning boxes give similar power but not so good on mpg, the higher bhp chip will have a little more smoke and thus not so hot on mpg.

You could go to Jabba and ask for a custom chip designed for mpg.

TDi tuning is just starting to take off, but beware, if you want to go beyond a chip or box take advice as there's a lot of people out there that dont have a clue......You've been warned.

Cheers,

driveforward

05-09-2003, 21:38

Very interesting mate, thanks. :D

UPsolute

06-09-2003, 01:43

I'm sure you'll actually see an increase in fuel economy - probably around 10%. I've just got a 110 Leon myself, and considering how I've been driving it, I've not dropped below 48mpg on the trip comp. Did 140 miles on the motorway the other day at 85 as shown on the speedo for probably 75% of the time and trip comp was showing 63mpg. This was using cruise control - I'm not really sure if this helps economy or not, but am sure it saves points on my licence :p