View Full Version : Ibiza Rear Suspension?
SecretWeapon
03-07-2009, 10:37
Is the rear suspension on the Ibiza SC independent or does it have a rigid axle?
It's a rigid axel, that's why I went for a mk2 Leon rather than a mk5 Ibiza. The mk4 Ibiza rear suspension was crap and I suspect the mk5 will be the same (noisy and harsh)
SecretWeapon
03-07-2009, 11:02
Do other cars in the Ibiza's class have independent rear suspension or not? By the sounds of it the Mazda 2 (another car I was looking at) doesn't - though it's hard to find out on the net?
I think all the cars in the supermini class have this type of suspension on the rear. This is why I have gone up to a Leon.
Maybe the new Fiesta has indipendant but it's not a VAG.
BeezerDiesel
03-07-2009, 16:24
The cost of the independant rear (plus maybe space issues) keeps them away from the small car segment. A car can handle quite decently with a torsion beam axle.
There were quite a few manufacturers going for the indy rear back along but owing to costs many are going back to torsion beams.
the mini has indie rear end. The audi a1 is rumoured to follow suit with a indie.
BeezerDiesel
04-07-2009, 04:52
I'd forgotten about the MINI. The A1 is a likely candidate as, like the MINI, it's not really bargain basement money like the Beezer. Wonder how much the A1 will be considering the Boc is nearly £17k ( I guess the new Polo GTI will also be around that figure probably using the 150PS 1.4 unit)
Leonidas
04-07-2009, 11:40
When I drove the Mk5 I was amazed at how quite and smooth it was compared to myMk2 Leon.
When I drove the Mk5 I was amazed at how quite and smooth it was compared to myMk2 Leon.
Yes I thought exactly the same :) Cant wait to get my Ibiza
BLACKNIGHT
15-07-2009, 10:27
yes i have a 1.6 sports coupe mk5 and i have noproblem with the handeling or cornering m8[B)]:funk:
pete evans
15-07-2009, 22:45
sorry Nath but (crap) it is just your view i have now had a mk5 for nearly 4 months and driven right the car is spot on and a great work tool
Well I must say that I haven't actually driven a mk5, I did not want another VAG with a rigid rear axle and I dislike the looks of the front end. Both me and my wife commented on the difference between the mk4 that we had and the mk2 leons that we test drove (even with 18's) it was a day and night difference.
As far as I know the mk4 and mk5 have exactly the same rear suspension and in the mk4 section you will find more threads with people moaning about noisy and harsh rear suspension than you can shake a stick at.
You are welcome to disagree with me and have "your view" but as for me talking "crap" I think not. :no: You have a rigid rear axle and it is worlds apart from independent rear suspension, end of.
Just remember that all of the mk5's are very new at the moment, when there are a few with some miles on there wil be plenty of people moaning.
sorry Nath but (crap) it is just your view i have now had a mk5 for nearly 4 months and driven right the car is spot on and a great work tool
it's ok - in 5 months time your dampers won't be damping all that much & you'll understand :)
Independent suspension is better, it just costs more
Leonidas
16-07-2009, 18:51
I thought it was a semi-rigid axel, And i do know the wheelbase is wider at the back of the new one and it has new dampers. I think I remember something about better silent running blocks aswel....
BeezerDiesel
17-07-2009, 05:53
Well they've had since 2002 to sort out the rear axle so there always hope.
pete evans
17-07-2009, 21:44
Dont think my shockers will need changing in a few months I bought my Ibiza to do a job ,Driver Training all groups and am sure it will last the pace and not need much attention thats why I bought it. On my days off my Porsche will do? Or my push bike
Dont think my shockers will need changing in a few months I bought my Ibiza to do a job ,Driver Training all groups and am sure it will last the pace and not need much attention thats why I bought it. On my days off my Porsche will do? Or my push bike
Perhaps on your days off you could learn a little about the names of some of the parts of the car and teach this new found knowledge to your driver training students.
They are dampers. The springs absorb the shocks and the dampers do the damping.
The MK5 is not a touch on the Mini at corners, the Mini has a much harsher ride compared to the MK5 but the suspension is firmer and having independent rear suspension gives it much better handling at corners.
There are corners I take at nearly 50mph on my MCS I feel scared to do 30mph on my MK5 as it starts under steering and feels like its going to topple over..
I used to have a MK1 A3 it did corners a lot better than the MK5, the only thing I like about the MK5 is the softness of the ride.
yusuf_1977
21-07-2009, 10:13
hi dudes
i was disappointed when i learn the rear axle wasnt independent on my new mk5 but it works well enough in the city corners on low speed. i only suffer with the original 175x70x14 bridgestone b250 tyres on high speeds.
yusuf
Turkey
As an aside if people start having trouble and complaints as the car gets older it wouldn't be 1 set of tyres older would it?
Tyres make a large difference not just to comfort and noise but also handling. A good tyre will help a bad suspension but a bad tyre... well the welcoming embrace of the ditch awaits those who press hard on poor tyres (or worse). But I guess most on this site know that.
Shock absorbers/dampers what ever you want to call them (if you want to get all physics then absorbing the energy from the system to introduce control or damping does point to dampers but it's personal choice) also make a difference - take a look at the difference in braking distance from worn shocks if you want to scare yourself (and no I don't work for a tyre shop). However I'd be concerned if in 12 months the damping on the car degraded to the point it changed the handling/noise that much.
Drove a few mk5s when looking around and didn't notice any really issues - unlike the MiTo we drove (playstation 3 steering in a car I do not need). Will admit I didn't take the car to the edge - try and avoid doing that sort of thing on the road these days.
Still waiting our mk5 to be delivered - options means long wait given down sizing of the factory throughput........ guess we'll see for ourselves.
yusuf_1977
21-07-2009, 15:48
As an aside if people start having trouble and complaints as the car gets older it wouldn't be 1 set of tyres older would it?
Tyres make a large difference not just to comfort and noise but also handling. A good tyre will help a bad suspension but a bad tyre... well the welcoming embrace of the ditch awaits those who press hard on poor tyres (or worse). But I guess most on this site know that.
Shock absorbers/dampers what ever you want to call them (if you want to get all physics then absorbing the energy from the system to introduce control or damping does point to dampers but it's personal choice) also make a difference - take a look at the difference in braking distance from worn shocks if you want to scare yourself (and no I don't work for a tyre shop). However I'd be concerned if in 12 months the damping on the car degraded to the point it changed the handling/noise that much.
Drove a few mk5s when looking around and didn't notice any really issues - unlike the MiTo we drove (playstation 3 steering in a car I do not need). Will admit I didn't take the car to the edge - try and avoid doing that sort of thing on the road these days.
Still waiting our mk5 to be delivered - options means long wait given down sizing of the factory throughput........ guess we'll see for ourselves.
i guess you got me wrong it was not the quality of the tyre it was the size of the tyre as 175x70x14 which i am planing to replace with 185x65x15 dude.
Also i would like to inform i am very happy with the steering wheel and etc.
Regards
Hey Yusuf no offense intended.
We've gone for the 17s which should prove interesting, with less side wall it means the suspension will have to work harder over the rough stuff. Still as the other half says they look nice (oh and there's the bit about less tyre flex, unsprung wieght and all that but to be honest they looked nice)!
The comment around the steering came from test driving the Alfa MiTo while looking for a new small car. The choice came down to Ibiza or MiTo. The MiTo's electrically 'assisted' steering felt like the force feedback playstation wheel my mate has on his PS3 and was way to unlike driving a car for me. Did like the DNA switch though, although I'm not sure why anyone would want the N or A modes. Well OK I can see the point of them but D was so much more fun!
Also on the Mito the variable power assist seemed to be too much for me below 25 with no feel and then artifically high feedback above 30. Braking into a corner only to have the steering go very light without losing grip is a very strange sensation! It was a demo car so one hopes it wasn't faulty....
Other half liked the new fiesta too, until the salesman told her the best colour for a girl was pink and wasn't she being looked after getting a new car. If looks could kill!
As an aside if people start having trouble and complaints as the car gets older it wouldn't be 1 set of tyres older would it?
Tyres make a large difference not just to comfort and noise but also handling. A good tyre will help a bad suspension but a bad tyre... well the welcoming embrace of the ditch awaits those who press hard on poor tyres (or worse). But I guess most on this site know that.
Shock absorbers/dampers what ever you want to call them (if you want to get all physics then absorbing the energy from the system to introduce control or damping does point to dampers but it's personal choice) also make a difference - take a look at the difference in braking distance from worn shocks if you want to scare yourself (and no I don't work for a tyre shop). However I'd be concerned if in 12 months the damping on the car degraded to the point it changed the handling/noise that much.
Drove a few mk5s when looking around and didn't notice any really issues - unlike the MiTo we drove (playstation 3 steering in a car I do not need). Will admit I didn't take the car to the edge - try and avoid doing that sort of thing on the road these days.
Still waiting our mk5 to be delivered - options means long wait given down sizing of the factory throughput........ guess we'll see for ourselves.
Dampers are normally recamended to be replaced at about 40k miles. This of course doesn't normally happen due to the cost of them.
I once had a damper fail to the point that my wife, whilst following me said that she could see one of my rear wheels bouncing and skipping along the motorway. It was a company car with about 50k on the clock. 4 new dampers later the car had a very much better ride indeed. It was like night and day.
On the subject of noise from the rear suspension. My experience from mk4 ownership is that the rain gets into the rubber bushings and makes a noise like wet trainers on a lyno floor every time you go over a bump. I fully expect the mk5 to be the same. I also fully expect the front suspension void bushes to fail after about 40k miles and make clonking noises, same as the mk4 as they seem to share the same design.
yusuf_1977
27-07-2009, 16:33
Hey Yusuf no offense intended.
We've gone for the 17s which should prove interesting, with less side wall it means the suspension will have to work harder over the rough stuff. Still as the other half says they look nice (oh and there's the bit about less tyre flex, unsprung wieght and all that but to be honest they looked nice)!
The comment around the steering came from test driving the Alfa MiTo while looking for a new small car. The choice came down to Ibiza or MiTo. The MiTo's electrically 'assisted' steering felt like the force feedback playstation wheel my mate has on his PS3 and was way to unlike driving a car for me. Did like the DNA switch though, although I'm not sure why anyone would want the N or A modes. Well OK I can see the point of them but D was so much more fun!
Also on the Mito the variable power assist seemed to be too much for me below 25 with no feel and then artifically high feedback above 30. Braking into a corner only to have the steering go very light without losing grip is a very strange sensation! It was a demo car so one hopes it wasn't faulty....
Other half liked the new fiesta too, until the salesman told her the best colour for a girl was pink and wasn't she being looked after getting a new car. If looks could kill!
hi tigrian
thank you for the information.;)
regards