Cupra & Cupra R p/n's for Cams, Coolers, Clutch/ Flywheel/ Box, Turbo, Fuel Pump etc

[Al]

Spoke to a reliable source there just now with dealer ETKA and got the following information

We are assuming that based on the 240bhp posted in the 2010 ETKA, that the BWJ engine has been replaced by the CDLD. No access to previous version of ETKA means that it is possible that moving forward, some of the parts listed for BWJ and BWA (K03s 2.0T in Sport and FR) are to use upgraded replacements that may carry adjustments in a different unit using the same part number as previously.

The engine code for the Cupra R is CDLA.

Therefore - Engine Codes
2007-2009 Cupra - BWJ
2010 Cupra - CDLD
2010 Cupra R - CDLA

Now for the details;

Turbo
BWJ - 06F 145 702C
CDLD - 06F 145 702C
CDLA - 06F 145 702C

Intercooler
BWJ - 1K0 145 803 S
CDLD - 1K0 145 803 S
CDLA - 1K0 145 803 AK

Fuel Pump (Interesting one, but possibly subject to update on ETKA)
BWJ - 06F 127 025J
CDLD - 06F 127 025J
CDLA - 06F 127 025J
Be aware that the BWA also uses this same fuel pump. Also note that this part could be direct replacement for all previous fuel pumps to contain uprated internal parts, but still using the old part number.

Intake Camshaft
BWJ - 06F 109 101 G
CDLD - 06F 109 101 H
CDLA - 06F 109 101 H

Exhaust Camshaft
BWJ - 06F 109 102D
CDLD - 06F 109 102D
CDLA - 06F 109 102D

Injectors
BWJ - 06F 906 036F
CDLD - 06F 906 036F
CDLA - 06F 906 036F

Gearbox
BWJ - Code KDU (07-08) and KPA (08-09) - 02Q 300 042D - Gearing 72.17.22
CDLD - Code KZW - 02Q 300 045J - Gearing 70.17.22
CDLA - Code LMN - 02Q 300 046J - Gearing 72.17.22

Flywheel
BWJ - 06F 105 266M
CDLD - 06F 105 266M
CDLA - 06F 105 266M

Clutch (Clutch plate and Pressure Plate)
BWA - 022 141 015R
BWJ - 022 141 015R
CDLD - 022 141 015R
CDLA - 022 141 015R

Air Intake 3 Piece
BWA - 1K0 805 971C Feeds in to 1K0 805 962C Lid is 1K0 805 965C - Oval Trumpet - 1K0129 618AH
BWJ - 1K0 805 971C Feeds in to 1K0 805 962C Lid is 1K0 805 965C - Oval Trumpet - 1K0129 618AH
CDLD - 1K0 805 971C Feeds in to 1K0 805 962C Lid is 1K0 805 965C - Oval Trumpet - 1K0129 618AH
CDLA - 1K0 805 971C Feeds in to 1K0 805 962C Lid is 1K0 805 965C - Oval Trumpet - 1K0129 618AH

Air Filter Assembly (Engine Cover)
BWA - 06F 133 837AA (TFSi)
BWJ - 06F 133 837AD (CUPRA)
CDLD - 06F 133 837AL (CUPRA)
CDLA - 06F 133 837AN (CUPRA R)

Cat Back Exhaust
BWJ - 1P0 253 181H
CDLD - 1P0 253 181H
CDLA - 1P0 253 181M

Downpipe/Catalyst
BWJ - 1K0 254 508B up to 07 - 1K0254 507L 07 on
CDLD - 1K0 254 512L
CDLA - TBC

Note that the emissions for the 2010 Cupra are lower than the 2007-2009 Cupra, and that the differences may well be down to the gearing differences and the intake cam profile as well as the downpipe and possible ECU changes.

Hope this is of interest, especially for those hoping for a magical upgrade to the fuel cut issues faced on BWA/BWJ engined cars with remaps and intake upgrades and for others who think that the wear on the camshaft/follower/fuel pump is going to go away.

[Poverty]

how where you able to get this data without a vin of a cupra r?

[Fl@pper]

how where you able to get this data without a vin of a cupra r?

you don't always need a VIN to look up parts if you know what you are doing, it's only required if there is a choice or specific changeover

[dave.c]

Fuel Pump (Interesting one, but possibly subject to update on ETKA)
BWJ - 06F 127 025J
CDLD - 06F 127 025J
CDLA - 06F 127 025J
Be aware that the BWA also uses this same fuel pump. Also note that this part could be direct replacement for all previous fuel pumps to contain uprated internal parts, but still using the old part number.

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BWJ - 06F 127 025J just to check this item code is also for the BWA coded engine aswell? and that it fixes the fuel problem issue?

[Al]

No - The part numbers listed are from the latest ETKA.

It is often that case that VAG will use a part number for a widget, modify it, and retain the same part number.

Therefore the fuel pump 06F 127 025J from a BWA/BWJ engined car could well be different from the fuel pump 06F 127 025J found in CDLD and CDLA engine cars from 2010, but as they have the same form factor, they would be the parts used moving forward as and when they are required for replacement on BWA/BWJ engines.

Unfortunately, it might only be possible to see the difference (if there is any) between a 2007 06F 127 025J Fuel Pump and a 2010 06F 127 025J fuel pump on a work bench with the pump in bits, or through logging it while fitted on a remapped car.

Reading between the lines though, it means that the 2010 Cupra has the same fuel pump as the 2010 Cupra R. Therefore, it looks like the main difference between the 2010 Cupra and Cupra R is the intercooler and ECU code. I will return gearbox part numbers tomorrow.

[dave.c]

trial and error...i wonder won't know unless tested

[robdf2]

good find AL ;)
the only important bit for me is the fuel pump , are you saying that all models of the Cupra have the same standard pump according to the ETKA listing?.

[Al]

good find AL ;)
the only important bit for me is the fuel pump , are you saying that all models of the Cupra have the same standard pump according to the ETKA listing?.

:yes:

Cupra and Cupra R for 2010 use same fuel pump according to ETKA.

[ZBOYD]

Good info Al,

Isn't the fuel pump driven off the intake shaft? The revision on the newer cars may just aid fuel delivery?? Its a theory anyway. :)

[SteveTDCi]

good find, i wonder if the intercooler is the same as the S3 ?

Do we think the intake and exhaust has been changed as the video posted on here and the brief write up in autocar seem to suggest that its a bit more sporty sounding with an increase in induction noise.

[robdf2]

good find, i wonder if the intercooler is the same as the S3 ?

Do we think the intake and exhaust has been changed as the video posted on here and the brief write up in autocar seem to suggest that its a bit more sporty sounding with an increase in induction noise.

i think they have a proper exhaust manufactuer on board making a proper exhaust m8 ;)

[Al]

Good info Al,

Isn't the fuel pump driven off the intake shaft? The revision on the newer cars may just aid fuel delivery?? Its a theory anyway. :)

You are right Mark - the pump is driven off the intake cam courtesy of a wee follower between the pump and the camshaft.

I had thought about the cam profile being different to help maintain the fuel pressure, but having hurt my brain thinking about it for a while, I cant see how it would solve the issue especially when you consider the internals of the pump would still be a limiting factor.

[Poverty]

You are right Mark - the pump is driven off the intake cam courtesy of a wee follower between the pump and the camshaft.

I had thought about the cam profile being different to help maintain the fuel pressure, but having hurt my brain thinking about it for a while, I cant see how it would solve the issue especially when you consider the internals of the pump would still be a limiting factor.

Whilst I remember mate, I changed the plugs for a colder set and the hesitation still appears to be there, but wont know for definite till my revo settings are adjusted, as currently they are all at 0 across the board after removing the battery.

[Al]

Whilst I remember mate, I changed the plugs for a colder set and the hesitation still appears to be there, but wont know for definite till my revo settings are adjusted, as currently they are all at 0 across the board after removing the battery.

If they are at 0 for boost, fuel and timing, it wont rev past about 2000 or 3000rpm mate. You sure thats what it is set at? Revo Stock is Boost 6, Timing 3 and Fuel 9 :)

[Poverty]

If they are at 0 for boost, fuel and timing, it wont rev past about 2000 or 3000rpm mate. You sure thats what it is set at? Revo Stock is Boost 6, Timing 3 and Fuel 9 :)

Well I can only go by what I read on mk5gti.com, but revo did confirm in that thread that if the battery gets disconnected for over 20 mins the map will go to "stock" mode. Apparently revo stock mode runs slightly less boost than SEATs own map.

[Al]

That may be the case lad :)

Revo "Stock" is Boost 6, Timing 3 and Fuel 9 though. Try running 0 0 0 and you will see what I mean ;). Its defo "Valet mode" :)

Interesting about the flat spot though. I will send you a PM to save cluttering this thread up.

Al

[Poverty]

That may be the case lad :)

Revo "Stock" is Boost 6, Timing 3 and Fuel 9 though. Try running 0 0 0 and you will see what I mean ;). Its defo "Valet mode" :)

Interesting about the flat spot though. I will send you a PM to save cluttering this thread up.

Al

Yes you are right, 0 o o is valet mode. Alright will be awaiting your pm.

[Al]

Updated to include transmissions, clutches and exhausts in post 1

[warren_cox]

I thought I read 'somewhere'(?) that the TFSi EA888 engine fuel pump is driven off the inlet camshaft, and the later TSi engine pump was driven by the exhaust camshaft (hence the same part has been used, but just a different method of driving it)?

Very good info though, well done!:clap:

[Victor_Cupra]

what about the valve springs??
do we have the codes??

[robdf2]

Looks like i was right about the exhaust then on the new Cupra R , i think they have tuned it to make it sound more sporty .

[wild willy]

Updated to include transmissions, clutches and exhausts in post 1
nice work, have you had chance to compare the con rods to see if they are to be uprated.

[warren_cox]

Looks like i was right about the exhaust then on the new Cupra R , i think they have tuned it to make it sound more sporty .

The new exhaust on the facelift Mk2 Leon Cupra sounds VERY different to the first generation 1.

I tried to get a photo of it but couldn't get far enough under the car.

Sounds almost a bit 'computer game' electronic from inside the car, but strangely doesn't increase the noise outside the car. Don't know if they have used some kind of special resonance panel as it sounds very different in car.

http://gallery.me.com/warren.cox/100275/P1000222/web.jpg?ver=12563308700001

[SteveTDCi]

they use a resonator box on the mk6 so i guess they could have pulled a similar trick on the facelift.

[joffers111]

Going to ask Hobins of bury the dealer who is supplying my new car if they can confirm the new engine code wish me luck!!!

On order

Speed blue Cupra
Black wheels, bluetooth and convenience pack

All for £19,955 BARGAIN!!!!

[joffers111]

So will this affect all the remaps for the Cupra?

Was thinking of going for the Bluefin, as I allready have the programing unit for my FR550, so it only costs about £165 + vat for the new map.

[seremotors]

If anyone wants specific part numbers for comparison purposes, Im happy to continue helping :)
Im not a technical wizard like most of you guys (RESPECT!!! lol) but know my way around ETKA quite well :whistle:

[Al]

Cheers Dave :)

Can you advise on the downpipe for the CDLA to make it complete, and if you get a chance, the valves, rods and pistons on the engine codes (BWJ, CDLD and CDLA) above?

Al

[seremotors]

Definitely no cat/downpipe listed for CDLA as yet, every other engine code is there tho :confused: probably a typo on ETKA which a future update should sort out I hope.

VALVES
Intake 06D109601M
Exhaust 06D109611H same on BWA/BWJ/CDLA/CDLD

VALVE SPRINGS
16 x 06F109623 on BWA/BWJ
Intake 8 x 06E109623H on CDLD/CDLA (cam also different as post #1)
Exhaust 8 x 06F109623 on CDLD/CDLA (same as BWA/BWJ)

CONRODS
06F198401 (set of 4) on BWJ/CDLA/CDLD

PISTONS
06D107066K on BWJ
06D107066L on CDLA/CDLD

Make of that what you will :)

[Fl@pper]

sorry to be cheeky but is there any remarks or tech listing along with any of those numbers ?

could be anything from numbers for piston size etc or usually nothing but if there is anything will help

[seremotors]

sorry to be cheeky but is there any remarks or tech listing along with any of those numbers ?

could be anything from numbers for piston size etc or usually nothing but if there is anything will help

only things I saw worth noting are -
headstuds 06D103385D 10x1.5x112 BWA/BWJ/CDLA/CDLD
flywheel made by LUK for BWJ/CDLA/CDLD
pistons 82.51 BWJ/CDLA/CDLD
240mm clutch fitted on BWA/BWJ/CDLA/CDLD

precious little else listed Im afraid

[joffers111]

Dear sir

Thank you for contacting SEAT Customer Services.
Apologies for any confusion with the information you have received.
After speaking with our technical team I can reliably inform you that there are no modifications to our high pressure fuel pump for our forthcoming 2010 models, including the Leon Cupra, *and there are no known issues with these parts within SEAT.
I hope this information is helpful.

Many Thanks

Gareth Goldthorpe
SEAT Case Manager
SEAT UK
Tel 0500 222 222 ext 63132
[email]Gareth.goldthorpe@audi.co.uk
*
*
Volkswagen Group United Kingdom Limited

Registered Office: Yeomans Drive, Blakelands, Milton Keynes, MK14 5AN Registered in England No:

[GtSport]

Has anyone find out if the new LCR has the S3 intercooler?

[Grip]

That would be interesting for me, too. Is it right, that the S3 has got two intercoolers?

By the way: My first posting here. Kind regards from Germany.

[robdf2]

Dear sir

Thank you for contacting SEAT Customer Services.
Apologies for any confusion with the information you have received.
After speaking with our technical team I can reliably inform you that there are no modifications to our high pressure fuel pump for our forthcoming 2010 models, including the Leon Cupra, *and there are no known issues with these parts within SEAT.
I hope this information is helpful.

Many Thanks

Gareth Goldthorpe
SEAT Case Manager
SEAT UK
Tel 0500 222 222 ext 63132
[email]Gareth.goldthorpe@audi.co.uk
*
*
Volkswagen Group United Kingdom Limited

Registered Office: Yeomans Drive, Blakelands, Milton Keynes, MK14 5AN Registered in England No:

his details dont make sense?
his email address is audi? but he works for seat? all case managers i have dealt with have seat email addreses?
was this a recent email or an old 1?

[GtSport]

That would be interesting for me, too. Is it right, that the S3 has got two intercoolers?

By the way: My first posting here. Kind regards from Germany.

S3 has one IC, that has aluminium sides, the only difference between it and the Cupra one.
Cupra R has the same IC asa the S3. U can change the Cupra IC with the S3 unit without other mods, it fits perfectly, I did it and the cooling is much better, a small mod with very big benefits.

[Al]

S3 has one IC, that has aluminium sides, the only difference between it and the Cupra one.
Cupra R has the same IC asa the S3. U can change the Cupra IC with the S3 unit without other mods, it fits perfectly, I did it and the cooling is much better, a small mod with very big benefits.

Not quite. The S3 core is thicker both on the early S3 cores with the square stainless end tanks and the newer ones with the shaped plastic end tanks. The LCR shares the intercooler with the newer CDLA S3's.

[AndrewJB]

his details dont make sense?
his email address is audi? but he works for seat? all case managers i have dealt with have seat email addreses?
was this a recent email or an old 1?



Could of just recently moved over from Audi to Seat they all sit in the same building

I go past it everyday

[seremotors]

Not quite. The S3 core is thicker both on the early S3 cores with the square stainless end tanks and the newer ones with the shaped plastic end tanks. The LCR shares the intercooler with the newer CDLA S3's.

I can confim this as I spent some time cross-referencing part numbers and following superseded/modified numbers through ;)

[robin_nerf]

S3 has one IC, that has aluminium sides, the only difference between it and the Cupra one.
Cupra R has the same IC asa the S3. U can change the Cupra IC with the S3 unit without other mods, it fits perfectly, I did it and the cooling is much better, a small mod with very big benefits.

Wow, that sounds fantastic. I had plans of changing my IC to a S3, but no need then when i'm riding a Cupra R -11.
Will it be better cooling effect to change my stock one to a Forge ? (Or is Forge and S3 pretty much the same ?)

[Al]

The info from GtSport is incorrect. The Facelift Leon Cupra R shares the wider intercooler with the S3, but it has the smaller plastic end tanks. The earlier S3 intercooler core was the same width but with large stainless end tanks. The facelift Cupra has the same intercooler as the pre facelift Cupra which shares the end tanks with the new S3/facelift Leon Cupra R, but the core itself is narrower.

[robin_nerf]

The info from GtSport is incorrect. The Facelift Leon Cupra R shares the wider intercooler with the S3, but it has the smaller plastic end tanks. The earlier S3 intercooler core was the same width but with large stainless end tanks. The facelift Cupra has the same intercooler as the pre facelift Cupra which shares the end tanks with the new S3/facelift Leon Cupra R, but the core itself is narrower.

Okey, so mine got plastic ends? Will it be a much better cooling effect for me to change to a IC with stainless ends ? I'm planing to have about 350hp (have 320 now).

[Tfsi_Mike]

Could someone add the MAF p/n's (bwj Cupra)