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Had my car chipped over xmas, flippin' eck does it go some! the mpg is back up around the 30's and the engine seems a lot more happy at idle. Torque has finally returned for good - it pullls like Brad pitt in a night club! :D
You would need a very long private road (!) to get it to redline in every gear, it all becomes a blur from third onwards!:D
cordobabrendy
08-01-2002, 23:15
is your low end really any better than standard and also than the way it was pfter the cams??
how much have you spent on engine modsresults, do you think they were worth it, be honest!! ;)
the low end is probably as good as standard now, as opposed to after the cams when it was piss poor! The oly difference is that now the revs rise much faster (you have to be quick on the gearchage to stop it bouncing off the limiter) and it just keeps going. I can have as much acceleration in 4th as in 2nd now. (obviously relative to speed - I can't pull away in 4th!)
I haven't spent that much on it, as most of it was done whe the engine snapped its cambelt, but i'm still looking at around a grand. Worth it? its all a matter of opinion - many would say the money would be better off towards a newer car, or one with more power in the first place. But I like my cordy and love the acceleration and sound now, and hey- if I had put the mod money towards a newer or faster car i'd only spend money on that making it faster! :D :D :D
i was gonna make do with a chip until icould afford an engine swap ,now i wanna head job too,probably cheaper to mod this than put in 1.820vt
Scotty,
My cordy is chipped as well - and I have to agree that it goes like hot shit off of a shovel - was I reading right, did you get the cams changed ? I was gonna be getting mine sorted but the £500 is gonna have to go towards getting the damage repaired after basil brush decided to commit suicide using my front bumper.
Saying that though, its good in a way as I have decided to bring forward all the mod plans for the spring, so when I get the bugger sorted I will get all my kit sprayed and fitted.
Pics to follow soon -
Chris
yep, chris - split duration fast road cams, had my doubts about them before the chip , but now its spot on ('till I get used to the power! :D )
I've seen the mould of my/your bumper and its pretty damn good! better than the original in fact. I'm getting mine modded again to try and stay ahead of you cheeky chappies! :p
cordobabrendy
10-01-2002, 16:20
is it driveable in teh wet scotty??? need more info, and exmaples of stuff, you know what i mean........talk me into getting it done!!
ibizacupra
10-01-2002, 17:05
Originally posted by ScottyP
yep, chris - split duration fast road cams, had my doubts about them before the chip , but now its spot on ('till I get used to the power! :D )
I've seen the mould of my/your bumper and its pretty damn good! better than the original in fact. I'm getting mine modded again to try and stay ahead of you cheeky chappies! :p
Just think how much more air you could breath in with 4 x 45mm throttles...............:D
Split duration cams work well in the 16v VW head.
260/270 or 260/276 are good combinations
Bill
Err, calling all moderators, i spy some blatant product placing advertising here.
:p
(joke)
cordobabrendy
10-01-2002, 17:14
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Just think how much more air you could breath in with 4 x 45mm throttles...............:D
Split duration cams work well in the 16v VW head.
260/270 or 260/276 are good combinations
Bill
Know anyone that could possibly do that kind of work mate??? heh
but seriously, bill what all is involved in TB's? does the ecu and everything get replaced or what??
ibizacupra
10-01-2002, 19:36
Originally posted by cordobabrendy
Know anyone that could possibly do that kind of work mate??? heh
but seriously, bill what all is involved in TB's? does the ecu and everything get replaced or what??
Aye...:D I might know someone... :D
A Direct to head throttle body system would replace the factory inlet manifold completely, fuel rail and injectors, replacing it with 2 x twin 45mm throttle bodies (1 throttle per cylinder).
A mappable ECU would be needed to then run the new injection system and optimise fueling and ignition.
Our systems, convert to distributor-less ignition also, and use crank trigger and throttle position for the map major axis. Full 3D mapping is then possible for fuel and ignition.
On a well modded engine, you can expect to gain another 20-30bhp from throttle bodies. I would never advise anyone with a standard engine to fit throttle bodies though, as it would be a large expense for poor performance increase... The engine has to "want" to breath more by head and cam mods, for the real benefit of the straight through throttles to have a real improvement.
Here endeth the Party Political Broadcast by the Badger5 Party. :D
If you just wanted to get an insight on proper fully mappable ECU's, download the free, fully functional software from our website> http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/2001/ecus-software.html
regards
Bill
cordobabrendy
10-01-2002, 20:09
cheers for the link matey..:cheers:
Icecavern
11-01-2002, 08:47
Bill how much are the ECU's and what sort of gain would it produce on an ABF 2.0 16v engine without the TBs?
Just thinking it might be better than just getting it chipped...
Pete
Bill,
Thats a shitload of horsepower , 20-30 bhp. I expect its costly though ?
Scotty,
What was the bhp increase from fitted the cams ? I got quoted £500 for Kent cams, increase of about 10 bhp ? Does that sound right ?
Anybody wanna go into partnership with me for a new mods shop in Aberdeen ?
Chris
Chris, I'll wait until the 19th (hopefully!) to give you a proper power increase for the cams/head. Remember - you ideally need to get the head done to allow the cams to work their best, and then it doesn't run happily without the chip (uses tons of fuel without the chip too!) From smartgroups I've heard that kent cams don't work with the VW engine very well, so check before you buy with someone who's in the know (john B?).
Brendy;
The cars a bit of a handful in the wet, but in a more fun than dangerous way, it snakes a bit but never gets out of shape. Overall the driveability is well impressive (for a 16v) as I might have mentioned it seems to have the same pull in 4th as in 2nd, less faffing around with the sloppy Seat shift. :D
Scotty,
How much were the fast road cams, if you dont mind me asking and where did you get them from ?
Getting the heads done, is that costly ?
Chris
cordobabrendy
13-01-2002, 00:12
head work is just as costly as theres double the work involved over the 8v!
I got my cams from RPM (richardsons) and I think they were 350GBP + vat unfitted. About the same for the head work I think
ibizacupra
14-01-2002, 11:47
Originally posted by CordobaPete
Bill how much are the ECU's and what sort of gain would it produce on an ABF 2.0 16v engine without the TBs?
Just thinking it might be better than just getting it chipped...
Pete
The DTA EXP48 we use as part of the full TB conversion kits cost £550 +vat, but I will give any Club Gti or Seat Drivers Club member a 5% discount off this.
We are in the process of doing this very conversion on a local guys motor, converting an older K-Jet car onto ABF manifold/injectors, running the DTA ecu. We are waiting the customer at this time though, so do not have any results.
It will give you an infinately adjustable ecu system, whcih can be mapped to your exact engine spec though.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
14-01-2002, 11:52
Originally posted by Ovv
Bill,
Thats a shitload of horsepower , 20-30 bhp. I expect its costly though ?
Scotty,
What was the bhp increase from fitted the cams ? I got quoted £500 for Kent cams, increase of about 10 bhp ? Does that sound right ?
Anybody wanna go into partnership with me for a new mods shop in Aberdeen ?
Chris
The 20-30 bhp increase was on an engine running cams and a ported head already, BUT running K-Jetronic mechaincal fuel injection. 4 x 45mm throttle bodies and the mappable ECU were the only mechanical change done to the car.
For the maximum benefit to be gained from fitting t'bodies, the engine has to "want" to breath more. It is'nt a case of winding up the boost and shoving it in like it or not...
Its a very lively and responsive conversion though.
More details are on our website: http://www.badger5.co.uk
I would'nt put cams into a stock head personally. They are unlikey to nett much of a gain alone. The head should be gas flowed first for best value per bhp gain.
regards
Bill