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woody_yeehaa
08-01-2002, 12:02
Anyone tried a superchips in a Cupra Turbo?
want a little bit more from that turbo lump!
bit skint and they seem quite reputable? - about £250 which seems ok, can i buy the chip and fit it myself or is it re-mapped there and then? (no idea how they do it! guess its just a change of EEPROM)
any info will be greatly received!
p.s. if someone gets one i might be able to 'clone' it (if its an EEPROM it'd only cost a few quid!) - dont get me wrong im not some skank that rips people off, i'd just like to learn about this!
cheers
woody
not good feedback
have you looked at upsolute for similar money?
ibizacupra
08-01-2002, 12:29
Originally posted by woody_yeehaa
Anyone tried a superchips in a Cupra Turbo?
want a little bit more from that turbo lump!
bit skint and they seem quite reputable? - about £250 which seems ok, can i buy the chip and fit it myself or is it re-mapped there and then? (no idea how they do it! guess its just a change of EEPROM)
any info will be greatly received!
p.s. if someone gets one i might be able to 'clone' it (if its an EEPROM it'd only cost a few quid!) - dont get me wrong im not some skank that rips people off, i'd just like to learn about this!
cheers
woody
Upsolute are very well priced also with more power I believe, available from Impossible Performance - Mic posts on here.
as for cloning my friend.... er hmm. thats theft.
Bill
Originally posted by woody_yeehaa
p.s. if someone gets one i might be able to 'clone' it (if its an EEPROM it'd only cost a few quid!) - dont get me wrong im not some skank that rips people off, i'd just like to learn about this!
They lock them - so they can't be read. sounds odd - but we do it at work to stop the chinks from robbing our designs
woody_yeehaa
08-01-2002, 12:52
anyone got any more info on the Upsolute chips, pricing performance etc?
i know cloning is illegal, just a thought!!
had great fun outrunning a polo gti this morning :-) i love my cupra!
woody_yeehaa
08-01-2002, 12:59
whats wrong with the superchips ones? they seem to have been in the business for quite a while!
on the upsolute thing again, can i fit it myself, do i need a power test (guess this is fine tweaking) and if i cant fit it myslef where can i get it done? bear in mind i live in the south east!
thanks for all your help never thought id find so much info on my yellow monster!
jack of all trades - .......
plus 180bhp
for the same cash upsolute do 212 ish
from what i've been led to believe super chips is poop, they get a blank chip and the programme is down loaded to the chip ,then they run ya car up and see what its like.if you've done other mods,such as decat exhaust filter etc they then send back details of what is required ie more fuelling then its sent back down to the modem and onto the chip and run up again .i was quoted 30 ukp per hour on the rollers so if they can't get it right first time you end up paying more for it where as amd etc charge you once ..i hope as i want mine doing eventually:cheers:
chungster
08-01-2002, 19:24
I believe Max Power's very own Ibiza Cupra 20VT will be Superchipped in the very near future. Not sure if its happend already...but it will be a Superchip from what I've heard.
You might wanna ask Max P about it then!!
ibizacupra
08-01-2002, 20:38
Originally posted by woody_yeehaa
whats wrong with the superchips ones? they seem to have been in the business for quite a while!
on the upsolute thing again, can i fit it myself, do i need a power test (guess this is fine tweaking) and if i cant fit it myslef where can i get it done? bear in mind i live in the south east!
thanks for all your help never thought id find so much info on my yellow monster!
Impossible Performance for Upsolute.... In the South also.. :D
http://www.impossible-performance.cwc.net/
Mic posts on here from time to time...
Calling Mic from Impossible....
regards
Bill
The Superchips chip costs more than £250, in fact it costs
£350 plus vat and fitting and only gives 190 BHP see link below
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/vag18t180.pdf load of poo, this has to be the worst performing chip of them all. They quote a 20bhp increase but if you look at the dyno graph it shows just an 11bhp increase.
The upsolute chip looks a far better bet with 212bhp and I think less than £300 all in.
chungster
08-01-2002, 21:10
Thats why MaxP is getting one!! :D :D :D :D
It'd be soo funny if their chipped 20vt came up against any of the other chipped 20vt's on public roads...they'd be going...."holy smoking, that car must be running quad turbos or something with 100bhp worth of Nitrous!"
ibizacupra
08-01-2002, 21:36
Originally posted by RTV
The Superchips chip costs more than £250, in fact it costs
£350 plus vat and fitting and only gives 190 BHP see link below
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/vag18t180.pdf load of poo, this has to be the worst performing chip of them all. They quote a 20bhp increase but if you look at the dyno graph it shows just an 11bhp increase.
The upsolute chip looks a far better bet with 212bhp and I think less than £300 all in.
HA!
I would'nt say that........
What is claimed is'nt neccessarily what you get either, however much you pay for it, or from whome !
We will see on the 19th what gives.
Bill
I have got a Upsolute chip in my car and it is extremely powerfull and has given me no problems at all!!, it costs £265 including rolling road and including vat as well, if you dont want the RR sesh (optional), it costs £215 inc vat, a bit of a billy bargain considering the amound of power it unleashes!!,
You cant fit it yourself because it is a surface mount chip with pins on 4 sides, and then a socket needs to be fitted and your chip read out and the ecu codes copied into the new chip along with the upsolute code,
Russell_Hayward
08-01-2002, 23:56
I am sure Superchips could map their chips more aggresively and squeeze a few more horses out.
Perhaps they don't for a reason.............. ?
I think its probably cost related.
They dont/wont spare the time to develop the software like the other dedicated SEAT tuners do, as they say in business, time is money.
They quote a 20bhp increase but if you look at the dyno graph it shows just an 11bhp increase.
I emailed superchips about this a while ago, and they said that that extra 20 bhp may not be a extra on total bhp, you will find the increase lower in rev range, over standard car.
dave
Fast Ibiza
09-01-2002, 07:16
I think the you have to go with UPSOLUTE, it´s a very fine chip, and very powerfull, i had it on my ibiza 20VT and it very nice and it dosen´t cost that much, it soppost to give you about 40hp...hope this help.
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K04 turbo + Upsolute chip
Blow of valve turbo XS
FPR 4bar.
Coustm 2.5" exaust
woody_yeehaa
09-01-2002, 09:27
Blimey!
thanks for all your advice! i'll be going the upsolute route on pay day!!
superchips one seems like a con now ive seen the competition!!
What about the Absolute chip for a non-turbo (2.0 16V)???
Does that make as big a difference (how much bhp increase), and would it be as much a benefit over the Superchip??
Only problem in Northern Ireland being, the tuners over here (from my knowledge) are only Superchip dealers! :confused: :mad:
AmD do a nice chip for the 16v
I think it's dead easy to fit & by far & away the best there is for that engine
turbo northener
09-01-2002, 13:50
anyone tried the jabbasport chip ?
i've seen some excellant results on VW's, also they have fitted a charge-cooler to an ibiza turbo which sounds like fairly serious development.
Cupramax
09-01-2002, 15:03
Yep, mines Upsoluted too and goes like stink with tons more mid range. Well pleased with results for £265!
Would suggest once you've had it done that you A) Dont thrash the nuts off it when its cold and B) Give it plenty of cool down time after a good thrashing i.e. dont cane it and then just switch it off. This should keep the Turbo in good condition.
Ooh and if its a Beeza youve got you wont get 212hp! probably closer to 195hp
Beeza has smaller injectors than Leon hence Leon starts with 180hp and Beeza has 156hp.
Also Leons have VVT (Variable Valve timing) over the Ibiza's apparently. But they also use a slightly modified K03 Turbo compared to the unit used on the Ibiza, to generate higher boost levels.
This is the reason Leons come standard with 180bhp over the Ibiza's 156bhp.
The injectors are a factor too as Max has said, Leon's use the same intake and injectors layout as the Golf IV and the basic 180 TT. Ibiza's seem to be unique to Ibiza's.
ibizacupra
09-01-2002, 16:17
Originally posted by turbo northener
anyone tried the jabbasport chip ?
i've seen some excellant results on VW's, also they have fitted a charge-cooler to an ibiza turbo which sounds like fairly serious development.
Funny you should mention that.... was talking with Mike today..
He should be bringing his Ibiza with Chargecooler to the 19th RR session.
It has very good results so far. :)
regards
Bill
Cupramax
09-01-2002, 18:03
Mark (ZBOYD) where did you get this info on the VVT? I've never seen anything about it in any SEAT literature... Suprised if they'd need if with 5 valves per cylinder.
I read somewher that it was the most effecient breathing engine currently on the market. Also I think you'll find that the Beeza has the same injectors as the Golf IV hence the similar power i.e. 150 vs 156. Just a slightly different state of tune, and the Leon as you say is the same as the 180TT
Got the info from Mark @ APR, when i asked the question why is it possible to squeeze more power out of the Leon's 20VT Lump in comparison to the Ibiza's (Over to you Mark, you explain) ;)
Bill can vouch for something else we noticed a bit of a difference on the Leon injectors compared to the Ibiza's. Spotted when we were at Curby by Bill, whe i was enquiring him about fitting a boost gauge.
They are positioned the opposite way round to the Ibiza, they are directly the same as the Golf Engine, get a Leon and Ibiza side by side you'll notice the differences.
Airbox too, quite a bit smaller in comparison to the Leon's.
I think it may be to do with the extra top end you get with the Leons, the 6 speed box carrys them upto the 140 plus, yet they are more setup for being a refined AutoBahn cruiser, rather than a hot hatch, so maybe as they cruise up in speed they need the valve timing to change to compensate.
As i say i think Mark may be able to explain better, as he mentioned it to me.
Cupramax
09-01-2002, 21:01
Interesting Z, thanks!!! Seems were being fed conflicting info....
ibizacupra
09-01-2002, 21:37
Originally posted by ZBOYD
Bill can vouch for something else we noticed a bit of a difference on the Leon injectors compared to the Ibiza's. Spotted when we were at Curby by Bill, whe i was enquiring him about fitting a boost gauge.
By injectors you mean inlet manifold orientation.
Golf/Leon as viewed from the front has throttle inlet on the LHS, where the Ibiza has the throttle inlet on the RHS (mirror image of sorts)
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
09-01-2002, 21:45
Originally posted by ZBOYD
Got the info from Mark @ APR, when i asked the question why is it possible to squeeze more power out of the Leon's 20VT Lump in comparison to the Ibiza's (Over to you Mark, you explain) ;)
Here's a link to read through about some differences between 1.8 20VT engine codes also:
http://www.abella.net/vw/faq.html#awdaww
enjoy.
regards
bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
By injectors you mean inlet manifold orientation.
Golf/Leon as viewed from the front has throttle inlet on the LHS, where the Ibiza has the throttle inlet on the RHS (mirror image of sorts)
regards
Bill
Yep glad someone knew what i meant ;)
Cupramax
09-01-2002, 22:07
Nope this isn't what I was getting at. What I meant was the physical size of the injector i.e. a higher fuel throughput so can handle running higher boost therefore more power. I know if you look at a Golf MkIV and a Leon they look identical.
Not questioning the inlet manifold orientation being different on a Beeza as I had noticed that in several photo's
Variable Valve Timing ?????? Why then has it never been mentioned in any of the literature I have read or any of the tests.
I have driven the Renault 172, Toyota Celica 190 and the Civic Type R all which have some sort of VVT engine, at about 6,000 revs the other cam comes into play and all hell brakes lose. This would completely conflict with a turbo engine where all the torque comes in from less tha 2,000 rpm.
Prove me wrong !
ibizacupra
09-01-2002, 22:34
Originally posted by maxthehound
Nope this isn't what I was getting at. What I meant was the physical size of the injector i.e. a higher fuel throughput so can handle running higher boost therefore more power. I know if you look at a Golf MkIV and a Leon they look identical.
Not questioning the inlet manifold orientation being different on a Beeza as I had noticed that in several photo's
You know what... replying to ZBOYDs post I have no recollection of what this post started as?
Injector delivery rates/size I guess from your post.
2 points to note though. Baseline FPR (fuel pressure) and injector cc/min delivery rates.
If the stock injectors max out on duty cycle (max open) then more fuel can be got by raising the base fuel pressure. This can be an in-between step, without having to resort to alternate larger delivery injectors. - Big assumption being the mapping in the ECU is matched to the injector size.
Is the 1.8T a 3 bar base fuel pressure?
Injectors (Bosch at least) run their spec deliveries at 5 bar as a matter of interest. (so Bosch technical told me last year)
Bill
I seem to remember that my car hasa 4bar FPR, although i havent seen it for a month:( , but i'm fairly sure of that
ibizacupra
09-01-2002, 23:10
Originally posted by Mosser
I seem to remember that my car hasa 4bar FPR, although i havent seen it for a month:( , but i'm fairly sure of that
4 bar...
hmmm
4.5 FPR available then? Is it needed though?
Bill
Cupramax
09-01-2002, 23:22
Bill,
Thanks for the info. This post originally started about Superchips then got on to Upsolute which is where I came in on it and then moved onto the differences between the 156hp Beeza engine and the 180hp Leon one.
I see loads of posts boasting 210hp for Ibiza's which start with 156hp. Mine started with 180 and chipped to just over 200hp so couldn't see how the Ibiza was going to achieve this even with the usuall dump valve / derestricted turbo inlet pipe / exhuast etc etc.
:eek:
ibizacupra
09-01-2002, 23:59
Originally posted by maxthehound
Bill,
Thanks for the info. This post originally started about Superchips then got on to Upsolute which is where I came in on it and then moved onto the differences between the 156hp Beeza engine and the 180hp Leon one.
I see loads of posts boasting 210hp for Ibiza's which start with 156hp. Mine started with 180 and chipped to just over 200hp so couldn't see how the Ibiza was going to achieve this even with the usuall dump valve / derestricted turbo inlet pipe / exhuast etc etc.
:eek:
Oh for the 19th RR session to come... so we see the real deal on these performance claims.
195bhp would seem more appropriate.... not seen that myself yet!
its a fast little car.... fun and I love it.
there's more in there just waiting to be let out. :D
regards
Bill
Cupramax
10-01-2002, 12:07
Further to the VVT discussion earlier in this post only 20VT engines with code AUQ have it and were introduced during 2001. Older engines with code APP or AJQ are standard no VVT. Think the APP ones are fitted with ESP?????
chungster
10-01-2002, 20:07
So who's the gonna be the first to try an uprated fuel pump with 750cc+ injectors???
ibizacupra
10-01-2002, 20:51
Originally posted by chungster
So who's the gonna be the first to try an uprated fuel pump with 750cc+ injectors???
You planning on putting a T4 on yours then Lee? :D
twin injectors thats what you really want.... not sodding great big buckets you can't control fine enough....
Monster.... Jap Turbo motors running mega boost and whacky horsepower run these.... Mad *******s....
Fast a phuk though - In a straight line!
Bill
I have noticed that when get to 4000 rpm the car takes on a new lease of life, it happens everytime i go past that, so that vvt might explain it?
dave
Thats exactly what my car used to do before i had the upsolute chip fitted !!!,
Most people on here said it didnt happen on their cars so i just thought it was a quirk of my car, so maybe it was just the VVT in mine cutting in at 4K !!,
It now pulls like a train no matter what revs i am at !!, i am very pleased with the chip!
Regardless of VVT ~ if VAG claim 173lbs.ft from 1950-5000rpm (or whatever rev range it is) the acceleration should be perfectly linear throughout that range, without any steps up or down.....
Maybe those were the pre vvt claims, the vvt explanation does make sense of why i had a step in my power at 4k though !
I find the 4000 rpm thing , less noticeble when using super unleaded compared to unleaded, i find a stronger acceration below 4000 on super unleaded
dave
Steve3961
11-01-2002, 20:02
Don't 20v's have the same high end torque charactoristics as a 16v?
Anyone driven a 16v Golf Gti? Go like stink over 4500 rpm
Black20VT
11-01-2002, 22:09
Steve,
I've driven a Golf GTi 16V, actually, I own one:D . It's a big bumper 1991 version, Oak Green on a J plate. Indeed, when it goes over 4500 rpm, it appears to pick up a second lease of life. Great fun to drive, especially if you keep it above 4500rpm!
I run it on Optimax and it appears more eager and ready to go!
Cheers,
Chris.
Steve3961
11-01-2002, 22:31
Originally posted by Wannabe
Steve,
I've driven a Golf GTi 16V, actually, I own one:D . It's a big bumper 1991 version, Oak Green on a J plate. Indeed, when it goes over 4500 rpm, it appears to pick up a second lease of life. Great fun to drive, especially if you keep it above 4500rpm!
I run it on Optimax and it appears more eager and ready to go!
Cheers,
Chris.
Oak green 91 16v! you lucky sod! That car is the most sort after mk2 there is! Keep it well and it will be worth loads!:cheers:
Lee.......... I was chatting to Max P a couple of days ago and they have not fitted a superchip to the beeza and they have not made a decsion, I have talked to them about the upsolute chip, but they dont know what they are gonna do with the car at the moment ;)
Si
Black20VT
12-01-2002, 12:53
I suppose I should take this opportunity to advertise it! :rolleyes: Reluctantly selling it in March, time for a change as I've had it for 2 fun years!
MK II Golf GTi 16V
1991 J
3dr
108,000m
FVWSH
Oak Green
Closure Alarm
Lots of bills and other history with no expense spared!
Immaculate Throughout! Not a sign of rust!!!!!
What should I sell it for?
Cheers,
Chris.