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Cupramax
19-10-2003, 19:18
Looks interesting, at last a bolt on K03 upgrade. Says its for Passats and A4's though... :(
http://www.eurospecsport.com/e05.htm
The E-05 is the latest development in the 06A/058 K-0 bolt-on turbo line. The E-05 utilizes the compressor wheel and housing from the S model K-03. It is slightly larger in diameter than the K-04. in the end, the E-05 is a bigger, more aggressive turbo thant hte K-04.
Hmmmmm, what they are saying is the K03S has a larger inlet compressor than a K04 :confused: :think:
Cupramax
21-10-2003, 15:24
I cant believe only 1 reply to this.... Wakey wakey everyone. This is a bolt on turbo which has been modified to hold boost until 6500rpm. Could this be the easy way to 300hp on the "R? They list models for the Golf as well....
Originally posted by Cupramax
Wakey wakey everyone.
:bored: :bored: ....... zzz zzzzz
cough....er....heck....blimey ! :eek:
I must have been asleep and missed this!
Seriously though m8. Doesn't our cars already have the K04? :dunno:
Sounds cool though. :) Me want to know more. :thumbsup:
:cheers:
Scott
Doh. Sorry I was asleep. Just re-read it and it is for the K04.
:hammer:
:cheers:
Scott
double doh - I'm fully awake now.
Just read it again - by the reference "bolt on" I presumed it was something we would be able to bolt on to our existing turbos, but if I'm reading it right this is a complete replacement for our existing K04's.
:cheers:
Scott
But a K03?? I'm really confused now. :hide: :head:
I'm off back to bed..... :bored:
Scott
Cupramax
21-10-2003, 15:42
LOL, Scott, what are you on :D. Its a K03S modded to give better performance than a K04, but its a straight swap with the existing turbo. Obviously needs a remap to take full advantage...
Originally posted by Cupramax
LOL, Scott, what are you on :D. Its a K03S modded to give better performance than a K04, but its a straight swap with the existing turbo. Obviously needs a remap to take full advantage...
:D
I see. Wouldn't a K04 with a bolt on be even more fun? :)
Need more info. figures - plots etc. etc.
I wonder how much difference it will make - will it be worth the cost to change? - add into the equation another remap. :think:
:cheers:
Scott
Cupramax
21-10-2003, 15:59
Originally posted by Syphon
:D
Wouldn't a K04 with a bolt on be even more fun? :)
Have you been on the beers this afternoon?... ;) If you read the explanation on the site it says the K03S has a slightly LARGER compressor wheel and housing than the K04....
Originally posted by Cupramax
Have you been on the beers this afternoon?... ;) If you read the explanation on the site it says the K03S has a slightly LARGER compressor wheel and housing than the K04....
Doh doh doh!
It's been a long day m8........... :(
;)
Scott
Originally posted by Cupramax
If you read the explanation on the site it says the K03S has a slightly LARGER compressor wheel and housing than the K04....
And thats whats confusing as the Ibiza R has the K03S fitted to it :confused: and we all know you wont get no more than 210-220 bhp out of it :confused: :think:
Cupramax
21-10-2003, 17:01
Originally posted by Mikey G
And thats whats confusing as the Ibiza R has the K03S fitted to it
Dont think it has mate. Only the Leon gets the K03S....
Shock_Xe
21-10-2003, 17:45
so is this the sort of turbo that Revo are currently trialing on their Revo Demo car, with their "bolt on" turbo upgrade giving 250-260bhp?
As the K03-s will also fit on the Ibiza. could be a go between with the K04 and IHI????
Cupramax
21-10-2003, 17:48
Erm, dont have a clue... more than likely I would think.
Originally posted by Cupramax
Dont think it has mate. Only the Leon gets the K03S....
Which Leon, as far as i have been told all 180bhp engines have the K03S, Leon R K04, Ibiza Cupra K03
So if this turbo uses mostly K03S components, its not that good is it........... somethings not right :confused:
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
so is this the sort of turbo that Revo are currently trialing on their Revo Demo car, with their "bolt on" turbo upgrade giving 250-260bhp?
As the K03-s will also fit on the Ibiza. could be a go between with the K04 and IHI????
I think this turbo may get its power from a larger exhaust housing/turbine like the K04 fitted to the LCR, you only have to look down the back of the engine to see the difference in size :eek: and as we know the LCR K04 wont fit the Ibiza without lots of mods:(
Still confused on this K03S buisness :confused:
Cupramax
21-10-2003, 19:40
Originally posted by Mikey G
Which Leon, as far as i have been told all 180bhp engines have the K03S, Leon R K04, Ibiza Cupra K03
So if this turbo uses mostly K03S components, its not that good is it........... somethings not right :confused:
Leon Cupra has the K03S. Leon Cupra R has the K04. Both Ibiza Cupra & Cupra R have the K03 only difference betwen these two is ECU remap. This is why Leons remap to 220-240bhp on a K03 and Ibiza's dont.
As stated the K03S actually has a larger compressor and housing than the K04 and what they have done is modded it further to improve upper rev responses and its ability to hold boost to 6500 rpm rather than 5000 rpm when the K03 & K04 start to die out.
Shock_Xe
21-10-2003, 19:46
so its a replacement for a k03 then?
*BUMP*
Can anyone shed any more light on this. Surely this is a potentially hot product for our cars.
Max - do you want me to edit the thread title to: "get your naked pictures here....." ? ;)
Might shoot the views up. :rolleyes:
:cheers:
Scott
Cupramax
24-10-2003, 08:03
LMAO :redface: :redface: :redface:
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
so its a replacement for a k03 then?
Way that I read it is that the one that Max has spotted is effectivetly an upgraded K04 (K04/K03S Hybrid) to replace a K04. This is what they call an E-05. No outputs listed though.
If you look further, they do talk about other upgrades, including and upgrade for 180BHP Engines (Leon is listed) taking them up to a quoted 250BHP (with remap). This is what they call an E-04.
Jon@VAGWORX
24-10-2003, 09:16
They don't state any sort of guide for performance increase:mad:
Surely you can't just advertise a performance increase, it might only give you 2hp and 5lbft for maybe a grand with a remap:eek: :(
Need more info.
Why do they advertise a fly by wire to cable throttle conversion:confused:
Why would you do that:confused:
Shock_Xe
24-10-2003, 10:38
Originally posted by Feel
Way that I read it is that the one that Max has spotted is effectivetly an upgraded K04 (K04/K03S Hybrid) to replace a K04. This is what they call an E-05. No outputs listed though.
If you look further, they do talk about other upgrades, including and upgrade for 180BHP Engines (Leon is listed) taking them up to a quoted 250BHP (with remap). This is what they call an E-04.
yup your right after reading it again. I saw K03s housing and asssumed connections were also k03s.
And the e04 seems right too. Thanks
Maybe this is the alternate K04 route Revo are going with their beeza demo.
For you K04 peeps might be worth speaking to jabba about a re-map for this??
Originally posted by J-R
Why do they advertise a fly by wire to cable throttle conversion:confused:
Why would you do that:confused:
Left foot braking?
:cheers:
Andy
Has anyone ask Revo exactly what they are doing and what power to expect?
Ben
Originally posted by BenS1
Has anyone ask Revo exactly what they are doing and what power to expect?
Ben
have you?
01327 301901 - I know it's developmental at the moment
Cupramax
31-10-2003, 13:49
lol @ M0rk :D
Shock_Xe
01-11-2003, 07:36
they keeping it quiet! wont give answers just "we will keep you updated and things develop, But at this stage things look good!"
I am a little confused, will this turbo bolt straight onto an Ibiza, maybe fit a miltek decat with downpipe, upgrade to a 4bar fpr bigger injectors and a fmic and get your tuner to do a remap for it. Is that basically what is being said?????. With the above mods i reckon you would see 250bhp ish with a k04. So this turbo should make more ya reckon???.
Shock_Xe
01-11-2003, 17:48
Originally posted by Madmile
I am a little confused, will this turbo bolt straight onto an Ibiza, maybe fit a miltek decat with downpipe, upgrade to a 4bar fpr bigger injectors and a fmic and get your tuner to do a remap for it. Is that basically what is being said?????. With the above mods i reckon you would see 250bhp ish with a k04. So this turbo should make more ya reckon???.
hopefully...... oh I have these other mods already :D :D :D
Here is a reply i recieved from an E-mail i sent enquiring about a direct replacement for the k03.
Subj: RE: C3Cars: E-05 TURBO
Hello Gary,
Yes, the Seat Ibiza shares the same 20V turbo motor as the Golf GTI, New Beetle, Jetta, & Bora. The E-05 is capable going up to 23-24psi in the lower RPM’s and hold 14.7 psi @ redline. Horse power is approximately between 240-270hp depending on other modifications.
Regards,
Shock_Xe
25-11-2003, 17:33
this is what i got a while back
Both the E-04 and the E-05 fit the same models. They are available in 058 and 06A format. Your car will use the 06A type.
The e-04 is nearly identical to the K-04. Power gains would be the
same. The E-05 is much better, read about it on our website:
eurospecsport.com
Turbo Back exhaust Samco inlet hose and I don’t know if the one from the Golf’s fit on your car. FMIC or upgraded side mount intercooler. Tunend performance software by Revo or another company in your neck of the woods.
Regards,
Looks like a turbo kit is on its way!!!!!!!!!
Forgot to mention we will send you as a package for an additional charge injectors and the proper fuel pressure regulator as well. I’m sorry as exact numbers are not available as of yet and its model specific as well as mod specific and I can really guesstimate torque and when peak hits.
Looks promising:cheers:
ibizacupra
25-11-2003, 18:00
Originally posted by Madmile
Looks like a turbo kit is on its way!!!!!!!!!
Forgot to mention we will send you as a package for an additional charge injectors and the proper fuel pressure regulator as well. I’m sorry as exact numbers are not available as of yet and its model specific as well as mod specific and I can really guesstimate torque and when peak hits.
Looks promising:cheers:
who will map this together?
Dont you think anyone will map it for you Bill. Maybe Jabba, Superchips, what do you think???????????.
So do you think you will go this route then Gary?
Where were you on the IHI list? Can i have your place? ;) :D
Ben
I doubt i will go that way Ben, They are about 3rd on my list, Jabba, ATPimpossible, then E-05. Its just options for others and myself if Jabba drag there heels to much and turn out to want over the odds in costs. And for those who maybe want 240-270bhp with just a bolt on if there k03 goes bang.:cheers:
Originally posted by Madmile
I doubt i will go that way Ben, They are about 3rd on my list, Jabba, ATPimpossible, then E-05. Its just options for others and myself if Jabba drag there heels to much and turn out to want over the odds in costs. And for those who maybe want 240-270bhp with just a bolt on if there k03 goes bang.:cheers:
Fair enough... just wanted to steal your place in the queue thats all! ;) :D
:cheers:
Ben
ibizacupra
26-11-2003, 16:24
Originally posted by Madmile
Dont you think anyone will map it for you Bill. Maybe Jabba, Superchips, what do you think???????????.
Did I hear you say Pooperships?
LOL
Not too many options for you..
Jabba, possibly AmD (if they entertain taking on someone elses bag of bits conversion - best to check to avoid dissapointment)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ibizacupra
[B]Did I hear you say Pooperships?
LOL
Not too many options for you..
Options for me, there seems to be a few. I did not know you had first hand experience of a Superchips chip on your 20vt Bill. I dont know of many people with them on here, i have one and would take the pepsi challenge from a like for like modded car from Revo, Amd, Jabba, or even RSD's 210/189bhp conversion. :cheers:
Originally posted by Madmile
I doubt i will go that way Ben, They are about 3rd on my list, Jabba, ATPimpossible, then E-05. Its just options for others and myself if Jabba drag there heels to much and turn out to want over the odds in costs. And for those who maybe want 240-270bhp with just a bolt on if there k03 goes bang.:cheers:
ibizacupra
26-11-2003, 18:11
Originally posted by Madmile
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ibizacupra
[B]Did I hear you say Pooperships?
LOL
Not too many options for you..
Options for me, there seems to be a few. I did not know you had first hand experience of a Superchips chip on your 20vt Bill. I dont know of many people with them on here, i have one and would take the pepsi challenge from a like for like modded car from Revo, Amd, Jabba, or even RSD's 210/189bhp conversion. :cheers:
I've seen first hand Pooperchips workman ship and code... :laff:
Never used it but never would either! Its plain crap and thrown together with little testing or thought.
VAG specialists who understand the motors well are best placed to try and map the conversion. (If) they want to try. Some will decline this type of work, hence the best to check comment. No names, no pack drill, just from experience of 'some' tuners out there.
regards
bill
I would always recommend, Amd, Jabba, above Superchips but i have run one for 8 months and would say i am in a better position to comment on the 20vt ibiza program more than most. Like my Reply to Bens comment Bill i have no doubt which turbo upgrade package is the best and listed them in order of preference for myself. My point is i was just throwing some possible options around, not reccomending or slagging anyones products, just looking at the whole picture. And E-05 may be a possible route for those who want a cheaper bolt on upgrade which some tuners in the near future may be offering.
Bill why do Jabbasport say you require there sports cat for stage 1, when the milltek is rated to 280bhp (i hear). Apr and Atp dont use one. Any ideas????????????.
ibizacupra
26-11-2003, 18:45
Originally posted by Madmile
I would always recommend, Amd, Jabba, above Superchips but i have run one for 8 months and would say i am in a better position to comment on the 20vt ibiza program more than most. Like my Reply to Bens comment Bill i have no doubt which turbo upgrade package is the best and listed them in order of preference for myself. My point is i was just throwing some possible options around, not reccomending or slagging anyones products, just looking at the whole picture. And E-05 may be a possible route for those who want a cheaper bolt on upgrade which some tuners in the near future may be offering.
Bill why do Jabbasport say you require there sports cat for stage 1, when the milltek is rated to 280bhp (i hear). Apr and Atp dont use one. Any ideas????????????.
Never insinuated you were slagging anyones product off.. but I would reinterate to you... Check with your chosen chip tuner before you embark on the mechanical mods or choice, as some tuners will not take on this mapping. I will PM you a company who takes this approach just so you are aware.
I am 'guessing' they say Sports cat for stage one, based on the factory cat being the norm, not an after market one.
APR and ATP probably don't run cats at all in many US customer cars.... apart from Smog testing.. :p Huge market for 3" exhausts and big cats tho over there.
No way would a stock Ibiza cat cope with that much airflow.
Bill
The company you mentioned Bill is the one i also thought would take that approach as i have also heard that in the past. Just looking into options like the Atp kit from impossible as a option to Jabba. Someone has to take the plunge with an ATP kit from impossible to see what it can do or see some concrete figures for there kit. Hopefully prices, kit specs, and power/torue figures from Jabba will also be a lot clearer in the new year.:cheers:
ibizacupra
26-11-2003, 20:18
True.
You could be the first ATP'er Ibiza'ing.
I think they are doing one next week (ibiza). But i have concerns over the kit and certain parts.
1. Can a stock cat pass an Mot and make 270-280bhp.
2. Can a stock fuel pump running an FPR (upto 7/8bar)cope (270-280bhp).
3. Will stock injectors make 270-280bhp.
These are my main concerns regarding the ATP kit. If the stock cat cannot do number 1, then Jabba'a cat looks cheap @ £350. An uprated fuel pump from them is £160 which is far superior to the oe one. So £2000 for the kit, a possible £300-400 for a sports cat, £160 fuel pump, and possibly injectors (not sure on cost of injectors). £2600+injectors. Stage 1 IHI £2900-£3000 all done with Jabba with room for improvement.:cheers:
ibizacupra
26-11-2003, 21:35
Originally posted by Madmile
1. Can a stock cat pass an Mot and make 270-280bhp.
Pass an MOT probably, why should'nt it? Flow enough for 270-280bhp from a stock cat, hence stock pipe diameters... I would be surprised.
Originally posted by Madmile
2. Can a stock fuel pump running an FPR (upto 7/8bar)cope (270-280bhp).
FPR of how high????? and nope! No higher than 4bar reliably... and then its iffy as was proven by mine earlier this year. 3-3.5 bar max
Originally posted by Madmile
3. Will stock injectors make 270-280bhp.
Not a chance.
Originally posted by Madmile
2. Can a stock fuel pump running an FPR (upto 7/8bar)cope (270-280bhp).
3. Will stock injectors make 270-280bhp.
That's a typo isn't it? 7-8 bar FPR on a 3 bar (stock?) pump?
The long and short of fuelling is this :
You need a pump/FPR/injector combination that can supply sufficient fuel at maximum demand without going above 80% injector duty cycle. The pump MUST be able to sustain the FPR pressure at maximum demand or it'll be rebuild time as Bill discovered - although IIRC, your failure was due to a voltage drop (corroded terminals?) across the pump rather than a pump flow rate problem, Bill?
I'm not a fan of using, say, a 4 bar FPR with a 3 bar pump - I'd rather buy a 4 bar pump and have the margin in hand.
Originally posted by Madmile
I think they are doing one next week (ibiza). But i have concerns over the kit and certain parts.
1. Can a stock cat pass an Mot and make 270-280bhp.
2. Can a stock fuel pump running an FPR (upto 7/8bar)cope (270-280bhp).
3. Will stock injectors make 270-280bhp.
These are my main concerns regarding the ATP kit. If the stock cat cannot do number 1, then Jabba'a cat looks cheap @ £350. An uprated fuel pump from them is £160 which is far superior to the oe one. So £2000 for the kit, a possible £300-400 for a sports cat, £160 fuel pump, and possibly injectors (not sure on cost of injectors). £2600+injectors. Stage 1 IHI £2900-£3000 all done with Jabba with room for improvement.:cheers:
My understanding was that the fuel pump is included in the kit price. Am i wrong?
Cheers
Ben
not included . mine is on way as we speak and a bit cheaper too . all going well the pump should be in this weekend
Jabba told me if i want to pass an mot then i would need a sports cat.
ibizacupra
27-11-2003, 08:02
Originally posted by Glenn
although IIRC, your failure was due to a voltage drop (corroded terminals?) across the pump rather than a pump flow rate problem, Bill?
No... It was the saggy pump, regardless of the corrosion on my terminals... It surely did'nt help voltage on my own, but 2 cars failed and Jabba's was fine on its terminals. Only mine was corroded.
There is an internal pressure relief valve and this creeps when Mike tested it after the failures... S3 one holds firm and steady.
regards
bill
ibizacupra
27-11-2003, 08:03
Originally posted by Madmile
Jabba told me if i want to pass an mot then i would need a sports cat.
as opposed no Cat yea but surely not if trying to use a.n.other cat or stock one (too small)
How does that work?
Originally posted by gillm
not included . mine is on way as we speak and a bit cheaper too . all going well the pump should be in this weekend
Strange. When I went for my test drive I said that I'd be going for the uprated pump as I'd heard about their and Bills problems at Brunty, and they replied by saying that the pump is now included in the stage 3 kit. I notice its not on thier list on the website though.
Where have you got your pump from?
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
27-11-2003, 11:49
Originally posted by BenS1
Strange. When I went for my test drive I said that I'd be going for the uprated pump as I'd heard about their and Bills problems at Brunty, and they replied by saying that the pump is now included in the stage 3 kit. I notice its not on thier list on the website though.
Where have you got your pump from?
Cheers
Ben
I would guess Audi... as its an S3 unit, HOWEVER, it i snot a case buy it and install it... you need to swap bits between the ibiza one and the S3 one to allow it to actually fit. Fiddly nasty job so Mike said.