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For those of you that do not have standard brakes/discs on your car....what do you have on as I start a little quest to try and find some for the beeza cos the standard Cupra ones are.....well crap!
Cheers.
Si
Agree.
SEAT discs are crap. :mad: :mad: :mad:
:cheers:
Your not kidding and the funny thing is that SEAT decide to make this faster car etc etc and leave brakes not worthy on a 1.4 left on what are they thinking about?
Si
my piddly discs look crap behind the wheels, agree:(
cordobabrendy
13-01-2002, 00:07
you wanna try the 1.0 arosa discs!!!! scary
hope the 1.4 16v is better.......a lot better.:sick:
Originally posted by cordobabrendy
you wanna try the 1.0 arosa discs!!!! scary
Especially when you insist on fitting them to your Cordy, eh Brendy? ;)
cordobabrendy
13-01-2002, 02:28
hehe comedian, i have a curteosy car at mo while i get a engine speed sensor replaced.!!
arosa and ibiza up to 1.4 or 1.6 are the same have the same diameter discs i think
Are the brakes on the Cupra Sport better than the new Cupra????......they seem alright on mine (280mm I think!)
Grooved/drilled r still the business though!
Are those Pagid Fast road pads the best for both no brake dust and also good braking, as the EDC take a while to warm up don't they??
:cheers: :devil:
I was just gonna ask the question....do the new ibiza cupra's have brakes or suspension cos I aint seen them yet lol!
Let me know when anybody finds them!
Si
Originally posted by CupraSi
I was just gonna ask the question....do the new ibiza cupra's have brakes or suspension cos I aint seen them yet lol!
Let me know when anybody finds them!
Si
You what?
Was the original question ever answered for this????
Be good to get everyone's opinions on what mod'd discs/pads they are using!
Please get the info up chaps :rolleyes:
:cheers:
cordobabrendy
25-01-2002, 17:31
pagid are good pads but are really mucky as far as dust is concerned, personal advice time now, dont buy ebc discs, as i did and warped them withouit really even trying, suppose its becaue i put greenstuff pads on new at the same time and had to brakwe quite severely a few times to get them to start to work!!!!!first 500 miles were a nightmare...:sick:
Exactly my point mate and I dont think that I have seen the answers yet :(
I am trying to look at some for mine at the moment!
Si
Keep me posted!!!!! Pity Pagid seem to be good but dirty, but EBC seem to be clean but not good (?).....well until well warm anyway!!!
Is that right???? :confused:
As far as my experience go's all the disks I've had warped to some degree.
Mods I've done on my cars:
VW Golf:
ATE rotors (slotted) with Ferodo pads & SS brake lines.
Disks warped badly, pads are good, and the brake lines took away the mushy feel at brake lever.
Opel Corsa:
Tarox Sport Japan (drilled & Slotted) disks with Ferrodo pads.
Disks warped (they are 3 yrs old though). Pads good.
Ibiza GT TDI
Stock 280mm disks with Ferodo pads.
Toledo
Stock. But already have 312mm disks & caliper carriers for front, will probably pick up the 256mm vented for rear.
I've got ebc disks and green stuff pads on my 8v ibiza,there an improvement on the originals but not as good as I hoped they'd be. Bedding them in was a nightmare,had a few scary moments.
There ok now but I still get the odd moment when I start to wonder if I'm going to stop in time. Going to get the brake fluid changed at the next service which will hopefully help get rid of the spongey pedal I've still got.
The good thing about them is there's absolutely no brake dust,the back wheels get dirtier than the fronts.
Originally posted by Ryan
The good thing about them is there's absolutely no brake dust,the back wheels get dirtier than the fronts.
Ditto, i also find that they need constant use for them to work to their optimum performance i.e. they would work better on ur fave windy road than on the motorway after not using the brakes for an amount of time, greenstuff pads tend to 'glaze' very easily even with cross drilled and grooved discs, u could use tarox 40+ grooves per disc but IMHO there more like chees graters and would eat yer pads
right ,my two penneth on ebc
disc are great BUT before fitting give the pad area a good ragging with harsh wire wool or a light bit of hemry paper on both sides it gets rid of the galvanised area and gets you down to the disc quiker .all gavanised discs have this problem the only bit that don't rust is the edge and the bit yer bolt yer wheel to tha yer can't see anyway,the pads are no good for day to day use and at alconbury i got them smoking and fading. ferroda are suppossed to be the best but can cost over a ton for a front set.
i think any drilled or groove discs are better than standard and so are fast road pads ,stainless hoses are better than rubber ones and dot 4 fluid is better than 3. thing is ,how much you got?how much do ya wanna stop?and how fast do ya drive?
standard ain't shite its just not good enough for you that use the cars full potential
So what would we be looking at then for a middle priced set of brakes/discs that will uprate from standard beeza cupra and not break the bank?
I think thats what I am trying to find out?
Cheers.
Si
cost me around 25 300 si. give or take labour
thats discs all round and hoses and pads
ALOT better than standard but im not going back to green stuf pads ,because of scary moments,saying that ,their V4 is supposed to bite more from cold:):cheers:
I,ve got V4 compound as well and they are a noticable difference than the oe seat ones.
and they held up at Alconbury, dispite mines only a wee 1.4
Pagid are good I heard but they produce a lot of dust which is not so good for alloys.
As for which the best discs and pads for the ibiza is there actually such a thing?:rolleyes:
if it helps give www.hispecbigbrakes.co.uk a bell and ask for Geoff as he is experienced in this field.
jason,
Cool mate could you do me a favour and mail me the details to simon.*******@seatdriversclub.co.uk and then I will have a look!
cheers.
Si
hopkinsgm
30-01-2002, 13:17
Nice to know i'm not the only one out there who's had the odd 'moment' with EBC's... I have 256mm Turbogroove discs and GreenStuff pads on my mk2 8v, picked up for cheap slightly used. The pads are low dust, but i'd hardly describe them as dust free. I've not been too impressed by the pad wear rate either, although I appreciate a grooved disc will get through pads a bit quicker.
All of which gets me thinking - anyone got any suggestions for replacement pads? I've heard Pagid Fast Road are good, but if very dusty they'll be no use to me as i'm a lazy fecker... :rolleyes:
It'll be interesting to see what difference fresh brake fluid makes when she goes in for a service on Saturday as the current stuff has seen quite a bit of action - couple of track days on top of lots of road miles...
Glyn
Speaking from experience, I have found that grooved discs are great for track days and B-road thrashes but day to day there not the best, example: try driving on a dual carriage way for 10 miles and then have to stop quick for a round about, its times like these when you find out just how flexible your steering column is as you pull your wheel closer and closer to your chin hoping you've left enough room before your parked in the boot of the navy blue granada that has stopped about three meters away from the white line! Thing is when they work, they REALLY work but its keeping them up to temperature. Also they're great for deglazing pads but you will get through 'em quick. I would recommend drilled they don't offer quite the same performance as grooved but they are more predictable day to day and are deffinatly better than standard, hey if there good enough for porsche, there good enough for my 20VT Ibiza, right?
Sausage
I've got some grooved Red Dot disks waiting to go on my 8v Ibiza. Reading through the rest of this post I am still unsure as to which pads would be best?
Should I just keep the Ferodo ones that I have at the moment? I only put these on a couple of thousand miles ago. I had a fluid change at the same time.
Cheers,
Steve
Gadge20vt
04-02-2002, 17:20
Im getting Pagid 8 groove disks, fast road pads braided hoses and Dot 5 brake fluid fitted to my car on Saturday. And all for a reasonable price.
I will let you know what they are like once they are on.
C ya...
Originally posted by sausage
Speaking from experience, I have found that grooved discs are great for track days and B-road thrashes but day to day there not the best, example: try driving on a dual carriage way for 10 miles and then have to stop quick for a round about, its times like these when you find out just how flexible your steering column is as you pull your wheel closer and closer to your chin hoping you've left enough room before your parked in the boot of the navy blue granada that has stopped about three meters away from the white line! Thing is when they work, they REALLY work but its keeping them up to temperature. Also they're great for deglazing pads but you will get through 'em quick. I would recommend drilled they don't offer quite the same performance as grooved but they are more predictable day to day and are deffinatly better than standard, hey if there good enough for porsche, there good enough for my 20VT Ibiza, right?
Sausage
Are U sure its the discs???? Just changed the pads on my moms corsa to OE pads caus the ferodo pads had to high a working temp, and well U know how moms are.
From my experience both with the corsa and beeza ferodo pads work real well when sport driving. No braking power whats-so-ever with standard (mom) driving.
Scoobster
05-02-2002, 13:50
Some of you may well remember me moaning about my howling and squeaking standard pads way back when I got my car..
well.... now that it is winter.. it has all gone away... but.....
The discs are rusted to f*ck..!! and if I don't drive the car for a couple of days they actually cease, and you can feel the 'bond' break when I move off. They are also making a grinding noise when just braking normally.. I have tried giving them a bit of a raggin to un rust them, but it aint happenin..!! :(
You may also remember I said I bought some EBC Greens... well I did... and they are STILL sitting in the boot of my car, cos I have no clue how to fit them, and I haven't had chance to book my car into the dealership to get them fitted, as I don't wanna be lumbered with driving their Ibiza 1.4S sh*te lame ass got no acceleration loan car for a day while at work.. looks well daft parked next to all the directors beemers and mercs in the car park.. lol
Well.. I WILL eventually get them fitted.. honest.. although I am little concerned now following the talk of 'moments' with them.. I was under the impression the new V4 were better and that they worked more efficiently from cold.. so I hope this is right, or I might be taking a trip to 'field city' when I get em done.
*looks in diary to find a day when I can get em done*
Watch this space.. heh
ibizacupra
05-02-2002, 15:46
Originally posted by Scoobster
Some of you may well remember me moaning about my howling and squeaking standard pads way back when I got my car..
well.... now that it is winter.. it has all gone away... but.....
The discs are rusted to f*ck..!! and if I don't drive the car for a couple of days they actually cease, and you can feel the 'bond' break when I move off. They are also making a grinding noise when just braking normally.. I have tried giving them a bit of a raggin to un rust them, but it aint happenin..!! :(
You may also remember I said I bought some EBC Greens... well I did... and they are STILL sitting in the boot of my car, cos I have no clue how to fit them, and I haven't had chance to book my car into the dealership to get them fitted, as I don't wanna be lumbered with driving their Ibiza 1.4S sh*te lame ass got no acceleration loan car for a day while at work.. looks well daft parked next to all the directors beemers and mercs in the car park.. lol
Well.. I WILL eventually get them fitted.. honest.. although I am little concerned now following the talk of 'moments' with them.. I was under the impression the new V4 were better and that they worked more efficiently from cold.. so I hope this is right, or I might be taking a trip to 'field city' when I get em done.
*looks in diary to find a day when I can get em done*
Watch this space.. heh
My Ibiza 20VT also has stuck seized front disks just after parking it overnight. Clonk in the morning as it releases.
This is with Tarox disks and Pagid FR5051 pads.
Odd.
regards
Bill
hopkinsgm
05-02-2002, 16:33
Sausage - I think your comments about fade are to do with the choice of pads more than choice of discs. Drilled discs may well be fine for Porsche drivers, but if you can afford to buy a Porsche then presumably you can afford to have a new set fitted by your dealer when they (inevitably) crack around the holes. The only benefit of drilled discs is that they do seem to disperse the layer of gas that forms as your pads start to vapourise under heavy braking. A grooved disc does this too, and also de-glazes the pad much nicer (at the cost of higher pad wear).
Scoobster - why not give up an hour on a Saturday morning or something? Fitting pads shouldn't take any more than that (if you can't be arsed to do it yourself) and then you won't have to lower the tone of your company car park with a courtesy car. Oh, and discs do suffer from surface oxidation. It's happened on ever VAG car i've ever owned, with either OEM or aftermarket discs. It should clear after a couple of applications of the brakes. Mine often sits parked up for up to a week and it's never got any worse than that.
Everyone else - re: my comments about "moments" with my EBC setup, having put in a fair few miles over the last couple of days since the service, I think the problem was less to do with the discs or pads but rather more to do with the fluid - it had seen quite a bit of action all up, just over 40k miles including a few track days for added fluid bioling fun... Fade seems much improved and the vague squish from the pedal has been replaced by a far more positive action. I nearly launched myself through the windscreen yesterday when driving in big clompy boots!
Glyn
glyn,change of tack m8.can you mail me some info on yer koni's,?as in how much ,who by,where on the planet ,and how much you ate while you were there???:D :cheers: m8
jasonphillips16v@aol.com
My standard pads/disks also sieze up overnight occasionally and i get the 'clonk' as they unsieze when i first move off in the morning
Originally posted by Mosser
My standard pads/disks also sieze up overnight occasionally and i get the 'clonk' as they unsieze when i first move off in the morning
I think it happens to most of us. It occurs to me mostly when it's wet outside. I think it's sort of a bonding between the pads and disk???
So Gyn, you are happy enough with the EBC setup then.....even for every day driving???
I've gone for Tarox g88's and pagid pads- great for stopping when cold, although better than standard not overly impressed. Am thinking of having the turbo's discs and calipers fitted but then again i am open too suggestions!
Mind you if any one wishes to to lend me a pair of Ap's, i'll let you know how i get on.
paul
ibizacupra
07-02-2002, 19:31
Originally posted by doodle
I've gone for Tarox g88's and pagid pads- great for stopping when cold, although better than standard not overly impressed. Am thinking of having the turbo's discs and calipers fitted but then again i am open too suggestions!
Mind you if any one wishes to to lend me a pair of Ap's, i'll let you know how i get on.
paul
Which Pagids did you use?
Bill
Bill,
Yikes, am not totally sure, danny @ RSD fitted them when he was fitting wheels and i decided to have the dics put on, he then found out they didnt have any greenstuffs left!
I'll look into it andf let you know
Paul
ibizacupra
07-02-2002, 22:23
Originally posted by doodle
Bill,
Yikes, am not totally sure, danny @ RSD fitted them when he was fitting wheels and i decided to have the dics put on, he then found out they didnt have any greenstuffs left!
I'll look into it andf let you know
Paul
There are regular Pagids and there are Fast Road Pagids.
Different animals, very different performance.
the Fast Road Pagids of late have a fast road sticker on the pads rear, which might be visible from behind the wheel.
regards
Bill
cheers for the info, will have a look at work tomorrow while squeezing in a cup of coffee!
Paul
hopkinsgm
07-02-2002, 22:45
Originally posted by Stevie
So Gyn, you are happy enough with the EBC setup then.....even for every day driving???
Aside from the thing I mentioned a few days back about the pad wear rates (partly attributable to grooved discs), yeah i'm happy. They stop the car pretty nicely - better than OE kit anyway (even with boiled brake fluid!). I don't find that you need to keep the Greenstuffs up to temperature if that's what you mean - I know someone commented on that (was it you?), but they are a road use compound after all. That said, i'm using the old formula Greenstuff, not the newer V4 coumpound...
Glyn
hopkinsgm
07-02-2002, 23:02
Doh! Hadn't spotted there was a third page of the thread... Sorry all, me being a dumb ass...
Originally posted by Stevie
So Gyn, you are happy enough with the EBC setup then.....even for every day driving???
Hmm, seem to have lost a post somewhere... Anyway, I find the EBC setup fine for everyday usage, no problems with needing to keep the pad temperatures up or anything. My only gripe would be the pad wear rates being a little high. This is on the early formula Greenstuffs mind, the newer V4 compound may be a different beast
Glyn
i've just fitted greenstuffs to my cupra 16v. i've still got the standard discs. whilst they've not quite bed in properly they're a lot better than the original pads.
must admit though it was a bit of a nightmare fitting the rears! had to ring up seat to find out how to wind back the pistons!