View Full Version : K03 Naffed, alternatives??
Shock_Xe
09-11-2003, 20:23
After Todays RR session and a nagging feeling and loss of 3/4psi, Vince @ Stealth said it looks like my Turbo's Buggered due to a pipe blowing off while @ full boost which allowed the turbo to Over Spool due to back pressure lost and essentially Feck it up completly!
Anyway was offered a 2nd hand K03 today (Price TBN) which I might take up on the offer but before I do that was wondering if this could be seen as a positive and upgrade the Turbo while Im there. The IHI is out due to £££, K04/alternative would require re-map which again is more £££ So was considering the K03s, Any1 know if it would bolt on??
Ta Mike
P.S. even though only boosted to 17psi then immediatly dropped to 7psi (What vince said) still got 200bhp and 255lbs torque! Boost is normally 20psi spike hold 18psi.
Very good results considering you've got a shagged turbo!
If you are after a standard Ibiza K03 then try some of the people that have already upgraded to K04's or IHIs, such as Bill, as they 'may' have one that they are willing to sell.
Cheers
Ben
Shock_Xe
09-11-2003, 21:34
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
Anyway was offered a 2nd hand K03 today (Price TBN)
Originally posted by BenS1
If you are after a standard Ibiza K03 then try some of the people that have already upgraded to K04's or IHIs, such as Bill,
1+1=2 :D :D
any1 know if the k03s will fit??
Go for a K03 sport if you can get one.
Anyway i think holding 18psi is not possible above ~4000 RPM (f. eg 18psi @ 6000 rpm would mean ~270 BHP), don't expect too much from the K03. 7psi is not normal either so possibly there's something wrong, yes. If you had a bearing damage it would generate lots of smoke, or if you had broken/bent fins it would make noise. Are you sure it's the turbo?
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
any1 know if the k03s will fit??
as far as i know the turbo intake pipe diameter differs 1mm. go to the vortex they are pro about K03S
Shock_Xe
09-11-2003, 22:10
Originally posted by Sim
Go for a K03 sport if you can get one.
Anyway i think holding 18psi is not possible above ~4000 RPM (f. eg 18psi @ 6000 rpm would mean ~270 BHP), don't expect too much from the K03. 7psi is not normal either so possibly there's something wrong, yes. If you had a bearing damage it would generate lots of smoke, or if you had broken/bent fins it would make noise. Are you sure it's the turbo?
didnt say it holds 18psi past 4,000 but it does hold it from 3k-4k and then drops to around 15psi to 5k and tails off, But on the Rollers today it flicked to 17psi and pretty much went straight to 7psi which is wrong, and this loss of boost only happened after this blown pipe. Vince said he didnt think it has gone completly but it may be part of a downward spiral! Ive checked for boost leaks and cant find anything. possibly a cracked turbo even? as when it did blow off the Turbo was bright orange (was on shit local rollers)
Just bought an autot turbo intake pipe. wonder if that would fit a k03s?
"as when it did blow off the Turbo was bright orange"
Oops, try to make some pics as you got the turbo off. Why don't you try the K04-01?
Shock_Xe
10-11-2003, 08:44
Originally posted by Sim
"as when it did blow off the Turbo was bright orange"
Oops, try to make some pics as you got the turbo off. Why don't you try the K04-01?
:) it was orange due to a crap rolling road operator whos idea of 'warming' up the tyres was screwing the car befoe the power run!
as for the K04-01 I had considered this but it would require a re-map and as i already have a chip it would be a waste of another £500. so @ this present moment in time, im looking for solutions that are compatible with my original chip! would the K03s be ok or even the e-04 from eurospec??
Shock_Xe
10-11-2003, 09:02
anyone know if these would work?
here (http://www.eurospecsport.com/db/details.php?id=203)
or
here (http://www.eurospecsport.com/db/details.php?id=205)
The first one 06A 145 701 VES looks like our k03.
Even the compressor wheel looks like a non K03 sport. I'd rather try the K04-01 and get the car remapped later, or a K03S. If you can get a 2nd hand K03S cheap, then it would be the best solution i think.
Shock_Xe
10-11-2003, 09:37
Originally posted by Sim
The first one 06A 145 701 VES looks like our k03.
Even the compressor wheel looks like a non K03 sport. I'd rather try the K04-01 and get the car remapped later, or a K03S. If you can get a 2nd hand K03S cheap, then it would be the best solution i think.
it does list it for the Leon, so does that mean its compatible with the ibiza?
ibizacupra
10-11-2003, 10:03
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
it does list it for the Leon, so does that mean its compatible with the ibiza?
Hmmm.
Dunno.
Leon is Golf, Ibiza is different installation.
I'll grab my K03 and compare piccies against it...
Might help.
Bill
Shock_Xe
10-11-2003, 10:05
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Hmmm.
Dunno.
Leon is Golf, Ibiza is different installation.
I'll grab my K03 and compare piccies against it...
Might help.
Bill
but doesnt a k03s fit an ibiza? and the K03s is in golf/leon! confusing!
ibizacupra
10-11-2003, 10:27
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
but doesnt a k03s fit an ibiza? and the K03s is in golf/leon! confusing!
Yep me confused too.
Need to see them in front of me to suss fitments etc
bill
shock, got a link to your new TIP? how much? (i'm after one)
Shock_Xe
10-11-2003, 10:57
Originally posted by jerry
shock, got a link to your new TIP? how much? (i'm after one)
the AutoT one?? bought it second hand. Theres one on e-bay though going
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
1+1=2 :D :D
any1 know if the k03s will fit??
I was just thinking that you may be able to find one cheaper.
it was orange due to a crap rolling road operator whos idea of 'warming' up the tyres was screwing the car befoe the power run!
as for the K04-01 I had considered this but it would require a re-map and as i already have a chip it would be a waste of another £500. so @ this present moment in time, im looking for solutions that are compatible with my original chip! would the K03s be ok or even the e-04 from eurospec??
Shock, you would need another remap to advantage even from a K03s. Remember the ECU calculates and requests the boost level required to meet the request torque (Stored in the map). So, even if you have a better turbo the map will still be requesting the same torque and so the net result is that you probably will have a lower peak boost level (As you wouldn't need to much boost to achieve the same torque at the old turbo did.).
This is the beauty of Jabbasport... if you get a remap with them and then mod your car (eg. change the turbo) then they can adjust your map to your custom requirements for a much lower fee (£95 I think).
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
10-11-2003, 12:33
Mike.
Maybe your best bet is to simply replace your K03 with like for like (used one) and wait for the E05 from REVO. Being as you're a REVO customer already, they may well be more favourable on upgrade of your software to match the hardware upgrade.
Just a thought.
Bill
Shock_Xe
10-11-2003, 12:44
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Mike.
Maybe your best bet is to simply replace your K03 with like for like (used one) and wait for the E05 from REVO. Being as you're a REVO customer already, they may well be more favourable on upgrade of your software to match the hardware upgrade.
Just a thought.
Bill
Both valid points from Bill & Ben...... hahahahahahahhaa the Flower pot men!!! never realised that :D :D :D
Im still unsure as to whether it is the turbo as to me it sounds like a leak under boost but im not a mechanic. Ideally i think i need to book it in with someone
If i changed manifold to help with a single pass system would the turbo still fit?
As for Revo, it alld epends on the ££££ as the turbo is over $1000 plus injectors and new FPR are needed plus upgrade fee for new program which could be looking in excess of £1500+. And its not even complete yet and may not even get there!
can't find it. what did you search on?
Shock_Xe
10-11-2003, 17:15
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2441110666&category=36680
Steve3961
10-11-2003, 18:30
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
but doesnt a k03s fit an ibiza? and the K03s is in golf/leon! confusing!
The turbo's are the same but the actuator's are mounted on different brackets(stops it hitting the bulkhead on the ibiza)
You could swap your actuator off your old turbo to rectify this.
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
Both valid points from Bill & Ben...... hahahahahahahhaa the Flower pot men!!! never realised that :D :D :D
Oi behave!!! :redface: ;)
That coment has been made once or twice before on here! :(
Does that make you weeeeeed? ;) :D
Ben
ibizacupra
10-11-2003, 19:12
Originally posted by BenS1
Oi behave!!! :redface: ;)
That coment has been made once or twice before on here! :(
Does that make you weeeeeed? ;) :D
Ben
Tinkerbell?
(or was that summat else)
Zebedee?
Gemima?
Rubard?
Custard?
that TIP looks rather crude compared to others i've seen...
but it is cheap
Shock_Xe
10-11-2003, 21:52
So, back to the thread any1 have anyideas?? and will the K03s bolt on??
I know a guy who may sell an Audi S3 manifold and a K04 turbo charger for about £500 with low mileage if anyone is interested I will post some contact details. I am sure that there is very little work to get the s3 manifold + turbo charger to fit. Anyone interested ?
Jimbo
Shock_Xe
11-11-2003, 10:12
I been told that quite a bit of work is needed? as you need a modified downpipe and intake pipe etc plus ythen injectors and FPR etc etc
thanks anyway
I am sure that the injectors and the frp would be ok. the only thing that I can think might need some attention would be the downpipe and possibly the oil and water lines ( but that is not big money ) In addition to this I beleive that the S3 manifold has a much greater flow. Although I am sure that someone more tchnical will chime in a prove me wrong. lol
Shock_Xe
11-11-2003, 10:37
Originally posted by JimR
I am sure that the injectors and the frp would be ok. the only thing that I can think might need some attention would be the downpipe and possibly the oil and water lines ( but that is not big money ) In addition to this I beleive that the S3 manifold has a much greater flow. Although I am sure that someone more tchnical will chime in a prove me wrong. lol
but for decent bhp injectors and 3bar fpr is not adequate only to 230ish from what i been told and with S3 bits 250+ should be achieved.
but if some1 could shed some light onit, that would be great!
might be worth a call to Jabbasport to put your mind at rest I would be interested to know the outcome :D
Originally posted by JimR
Although I am sure that someone more tchnical will chime in a prove me wrong.
The S3 turbo needs a new manifold as you said. You'll need a new turbo inlet pipe and a new downpipe too. The turbine outlet of the S3 turbo is heading sideways (to the direction of the right wheel) while on our K03s it is heading backwards (to boot). A question mark ? shaped downpipe is needed to lead the exhaust gasses into the right direction.
Using the stock injectors & MAF with 4bar FPR (+ a matched chip of course) may yield around 250BHP.
Shock_Xe
11-11-2003, 12:27
Originally posted by Sim
Using the stock injectors & MAF with 4bar FPR (+ a matched chip of course) may yield around 250BHP.
I was told the stock injecotrs are not upto the 4bar fpr sustained as from what i heard revo are finding out with their demo car and hybrid bolt on turbo
A mate of mine uses a 4Bar FPR (+MBC), but it is only on a K03S without any problems. Of course if you had S3 injectors it would be better. Using a 4Bar FPR has nothing really to do wiht the injectors, it just enables the same injector to spray 33% more fuel during the same duty cycle. Having 33% more fuel may be enough for some extra horsepower. I would be worried about the fuel pump instead.
Shock_Xe
11-11-2003, 12:51
ahhh
Well, i'm not exactly sure about the 33% being exactly 33%, but it sprays MORE fuel than on stock fuel pressure. The ECU recognizes this and shortens the duty cycle (long term fuel trim) so overall the car won't run that extremely rich. When my mate put his 4bar FPR in, his car idled 1200 for some time, then ECU adapted. He says the car pulls better and probably runs cooler. He's using a manual boost controller to wind up boost, too.
Shock_Xe
11-11-2003, 13:48
is he running the 4bar on an ibiza? Cause i been told they dont match up well cause i looked into this a while back and it generated flat spots
It's a leon with upsolute chip and "my" switchable manual boost controller setup.
Shock_Xe
11-11-2003, 16:39
the Ibiza ECU is more fussy than the leon and am i right in thinking that the injectors are smaller too. Also you can also have a 4bar fpr program on leons anyway where as they are not available on the ibiza
ibizacupra
11-11-2003, 18:12
*Warning*
If considering a 4bar FPR on Ibiza's bare in mind the fuel pump can struggle to sustain this pressure and high demand.
If the pumps pressure falls slightly, (which it can and does) and you loose the 4bar @ rail pressure, whilst 'on it', the consequences are $$$ and dead motor.
Sadly speaking from experience earlier this year.
If going this route, get yourself a dash AFR gauge which you can watch all the time to make sure its not running lean on full boost.
Bill
Shock_Xe
11-11-2003, 18:16
so its worth upgrading the pump??
Just had an offer for my Revo ECU and a standard one which im happy with, Now Im thinking of changing the turbo and getting a Jabba Re-map. Considering my spec already, Any1 have any suggestions on what turbo to get and extras that go with????, bearing in mind I dont wanna spend 000's
"get yourself a dash AFR gauge "
Yes, that would be the first (and next mod) before a bigger turbo :)
Shock,
I'll have some update on the K03s in some days.
Originally posted by Sim
as far as i know the turbo intake pipe diameter differs 1mm. go to the vortex they are pro about K03S
intake is the same compared to the K04 but the exhaust wheel is the same size as K03 ( I think)