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rust bucket
30-11-2003, 16:10
Since its so easy to get more power out of a Tdi I'm tempted but it needs to be switchable for warranty problems, so that limits my choice to Revo or a Tuning box.
I'm worried about the Quoted Torque 300Lbs/ft thats one hell of alot for the clutch to handle, is anybodies slipping yet?.
If I get clutch problems can Revo reduce the Torque? because if I clutch can't handle the upgrade I won't be able to get the clutch fi xed under warranty. If the clutch can't handle a Tuning Box I could always sell it.
slim_boy_fat
30-11-2003, 16:20
Originally posted by rust bucket
Since its so easy to get more power out of a Tdi I'm tempted but it needs to be switchable for warranty problems, so that limits my choice to Revo or a Tuning box.
I'm worried about the Quoted Torque 300Lbs/ft thats one hell of alot for the clutch to handle, is anybodies slipping yet?.
If I get clutch problems can Revo reduce the Torque? because if I clutch can't handle the upgrade I won't be able to get the clutch fi xed under warranty. If the clutch can't handle a Tuning Box I could always sell it.
300lbft no problems so far. Most of the time the car is being driven sensably so your not always attacking the cluch/drivetrain with all that torque. You will find if you keep the TC off then the wheels will spin well before the clutch will slip. Hence the torque gets lost throught the tyres and wont damage anything.
Switchable shmitchable NO remap is undetactable period. If you want to go down the undetectable route then the box is the best option. Dont forget however that they are no where near as safisticated in terms of how they produce the extra power. The remap will prob be better for the cat long term.
muddyboots
30-11-2003, 17:47
Originally posted by rust bucket
I'm worried about the Quoted Torque 300Lbs/ft thats one hell of alot for the clutch to handle, is anybodies slipping yet?.
Yes
rust bucket
30-11-2003, 23:10
How bad is the clutch slip ?.
Can you do anything to rectify it, uprated plate or diaphram?:confused:
Bit of info you may like,
I am trialing the AmD 'one click' switchable map on my 130 BHP Fabia
So far very impressed.
slim_boy_fat
01-12-2003, 07:30
Originally posted by techie
Bit of info you may like,
I am trialing the AmD 'one click' switchable map on my 130 BHP Fabia
So far very impressed.
Still not invisible.
driveforward
01-12-2003, 07:45
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
Still not invisible.
Nor is the fact that most people who have any type of tuning done will stick "AmD" "Jabba" or "Revo" stickers to their car..
Generally gives the game away really :p
slim_boy_fat
01-12-2003, 08:03
Originally posted by driveforward
Nor is the fact that most people who have any type of tuning done will stick "AmD" "Jabba" or "Revo" stickers to their car..
Generally gives the game away really :p
:rotfl:
Ye but what saddo would do that, only a Nova driver :laff:
driveforward
01-12-2003, 08:20
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
:rotfl:
Ye but what saddo would do that, only a Nova driver :laff:
Or grandad Syphon ;) :D
muddyboots
01-12-2003, 11:16
Originally posted by rust bucket
How bad is the clutch slip ?.
Can you do anything to rectify it, uprated plate or diaphram?:confused:
So far I seem to be the only one suffering this problem, and there's a good number of cars with higher power/torque than my ABT chip.
More noticeable when the temp drops (below 6 - 7ºC), it tends to slip when you accelerate in a higher gear around 2000-ish rpm.
The dealer have agreed to fit a new clutch under warranty, it's going in on Friday.
I'm starting to wonder now whether it could also be something to do with the fancy dual-mass flywheel fitted in these cars....
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
Still not invisible.
When switched over to standard map there is no way of telling it has aver been re-mapped.
I've seen quite a few with clutches slipping in stock form. Mines starting to slip but I've got almost 150000km on the clock.:)
LEO LION R
02-12-2003, 08:03
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
300lbft no problems so far.
But you don't have 300lbft, so not really good advice is it.
:cheers:
slim_boy_fat
02-12-2003, 09:11
Originally posted by LEO LION R
But you don't have 300lbft, so not really good advice is it.
:cheers:
Q.E.D. dear boy
:cheers:
I read on a thread somewhere that because the beezer is fairly light the clutch can cope with 300. apparantly the golf tdi 130 has to be remapped for slightly lower torque because the clutch does slip as result of excess golf lard.
Mine seems to be ok so far........
I was under the impression that when I switch my car back to stock program with the SPS1 for dealer visits it was undetectable, although apparantly there is very long ongoing debate about this. I'd like to think that for my £750 odd notes that the program is clever enough to hide itself. Are we talikng undetectable by the monkeys in the SEAT garage or someone who actually knows what they are looking for?
my understanding of it is that it flashes up on the ecu as a code along with all the other ones but doesnt have 'REVO' written next to it, so its only if someone is actually physically looking for it (or takes the code manual home with them and memorises them all and therefore spots the odd one out) that you will be rumbled! so it is there.....but as you say, .. your average Seat monkey a) wont be bothered and b) wont know the difference!
;)
AFAIK Jono's right, unless you do a code read and then do a compare you won't be able to detect it.
driveforward
02-12-2003, 18:34
Originally posted by JONO!!
but as you say, .. your average Seat monkey a) wont be bothered and b) wont know the difference!
;)
So you stand no chance of being rumbled in the West Midlands area as your car will either be serviced by MG Rover "technicians", SAAB blokes or thick twits from Wolverhampton :p
slim_boy_fat
02-12-2003, 20:01
Originally posted by marcus
I was under the impression that when I switch my car back to stock program with the SPS1 for dealer visits it was undetectable, although apparantly there is very long ongoing debate about this. I'd like to think that for my £750 odd notes that the program is clever enough to hide itself. Are we talikng undetectable by the monkeys in the SEAT garage or someone who actually knows what they are looking for?
Lolss I think if you go in with your 3rd broken clutch and 2nd set of driveshaft Seat will want a better look. Also the insurance companies are well able to get people in to check the code.
Its not difficult to see its been messed with, Techs in the dealers could do it if they has just cause.
Just dont think your code is undetectable and if its been sold to you that way then i would not be happy. Because it is.
driveforward
02-12-2003, 21:27
Originally posted by driveforward
So you stand no chance of being rumbled in the West Midlands area as your car will either be serviced by MG Rover "technicians", SAAB blokes or thick twits from Wolverhampton :p
Referencing Droitwich Garage, Barlows and All Electric, not necessarily in that order ;)
rust bucket
02-12-2003, 22:03
I might be wrong but don,t dealers get paid by manufacturers for warranty work so it might not be in their intrest to look to hard?.
Originally posted by driveforward
So you stand no chance of being rumbled in the West Midlands area as your car will either be serviced by MG Rover "technicians", SAAB blokes or thick twits from Wolverhampton :p
I like it :rotfl:
Originally posted by rust bucket
I might be wrong but don,t dealers get paid by manufacturers for warranty work so it might not be in their intrest to look to hard?.
Spot on, was allways my position when I worked at dealers.
Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
Lolss I think if you go in with your 3rd broken clutch and 2nd set of driveshaft Seat will want a better look. Also the insurance companies are well able to get people in to check the code.
Its not difficult to see its been messed with, Techs in the dealers could do it if they has just cause.
Just dont think your code is undetectable and if its been sold to you that way then i would not be happy. Because it is.
My seat dealer looked at me like I was from another planet when I ordered a strut brace. they also had no idea that the leon cupra 150 had been launched even though it was on their price list when the eventually dug it out of a filing cabinet. they can't even fix dash rattles and a dodgy seat release mechanism, so if they can spot a revo code..... I intend to be well shut of the car before it gets through that much hardware, and I'm struggling to find that many REVOd owners who have lost 3 clutches.
Obviously you have some inside technical knowledge here. I just cant understand how some swear blind it can't be detected and others (such as yourself) swear it can. At the end of the day as long as the insurance people know then the aforementioned comments regarding your average on the ball SEAT dealer means you'd be most unfortunate to encounter any problems. :cheers:
slim_boy_fat
03-12-2003, 07:42
My seat dealer looked at me like I was from another planet when I ordered a strut brace. they also had no idea that the leon cupra 150 had been launched even though it was on their price list when the eventually dug it out of a filing cabinet. they can't even fix dash rattles and a dodgy seat release mechanism, so if they can spot a revo code..... I intend to be well shut of the car before it gets through that much hardware, and I'm struggling to find that many REVOd owners who have lost 3 clutches.
You kew all that and you still bought a Seat......:redface:
Cant say i have heard of any chipped/rmapped owners who have had many mechanical problems. I was speeking hypothetically, thing is your car could have these problems even without being chipped, (bad luck, 5hit build, Friday car) whatever, but if they found out you were chipped then it would be adios to your warranty.
Obviously you have some inside technical knowledge here. I just cant understand how some swear blind it can't be detected and others (such as yourself) swear it can. At the end of the day as long as the insurance people know then the aforementioned comments regarding your average on the ball SEAT dealer means you'd be most unfortunate to encounter any problems. :cheers:
Very true, if all you are worried about is the dealer then you prob will not have any problems, as you rightly say they are thick as pig 5hit at best, and couldnt give a toss about there customers anyway. (Sorry just my Seat dealer experience)
Just dont let anyone tell you that a remap is undetectable because its not. And as i said if its been sold to you as such then i would be looking for my money back.
:cheers:
p.s. enjoy the remap, i know i do...
rust bucket
03-12-2003, 23:26
I would really like to get my my car Revo'ed but I'm still not convinced the drivetrain can handle all that torque I thought the gearbox was only rated to 350 Nm by VW.
I've looked on some VW sites and Golf's seem to be having clutch problems when Chipped, I know its a heavier car but the Ibiza has a higer final drive which equals things out a bit.
Unless I'am wrong there is no uprated clutch or diaphram about for the dual mass flywheel .:( Might try a Tuning box, has anyone used an Van-Aaken box?.
Originally posted by rust bucket
I would really like to get my my car Revo'ed but I'm still not convinced the drivetrain can handle all that torque I thought the gearbox was only rated to 350 Nm by VW.
I've looked on some VW sites and Golf's seem to be having clutch problems when Chipped, I know its a heavier car but the Ibiza has a higer final drive which equals things out a bit.
Unless I'am wrong there is no uprated clutch or diaphram about for the dual mass flywheel .:( Might try a Tuning box, has anyone used an Van-Aaken box?.
You will still get alot of torque with the tning box. I have seen ibizas with clutches slipping out of the dealer. There are a couple of uprate clutches, but are quite expensive at the moment. I am pretty sure both Sach and Luk are working on a sport clutch.
not heard of anyone on here with a Van Aaken box, beezerdiesel had some van aaken injectors i think.
slim_boy_fat
04-12-2003, 15:32
Originally posted by rust bucket
I would really like to get my my car Revo'ed but I'm still not convinced the drivetrain can handle all that torque I thought the gearbox was only rated to 350 Nm by VW.
Hope not as i have 442Nm :eek: :D
Quite a few tuned diesels on here have clutch slip. But majority can drive round easily.
Allards will swap the plate round for about £250 I think, which can handle the torque a remapped TDI puts out.
Come the winter it gets alot worse, and driving on the motorway can be a pain. Im trying to do a deal with the dealer ;). See if he can put in the uprated plate for free ;)
How old is this thread!!!!
i know thats my fault i miss tyed on this one earlier, oops!
bellautos
14-09-2006, 20:15
If you are intending to have a remap , use a company that DOES NOT add there name/tag in the file.
And also who DOES keep the origanal software type, EG not a tuners SPECAIL non standard code.
Like on some of the bigger companys who say they change the code to there own and remove the origanal mapping from the ECU.
And in SOME cases add there name in another chip inside the ecu as well.