View Full Version : NEW Ibiza FR to be launched.
I will put the press release and more pictures later, not got time right now.
But VW Vortex have posted info and pics here.
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/seat_news/article_504.shtml
Apologies if someone has already spotted this, been busy today so have only just noticed ;)
Damn, you beat me to it. ;) Here for the lazy:
SEAT presents the Ibiza FR - the sportiest and most powerful Ibiza
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/ibiza_750.jpg
Today SEAT unveiled the new Ibiza FR (Formula Racing) at Italy's Bologna Motor Show, which will be open to the public from 6 to 14 December. Equipped with a 150 hp (110 kW) 1.8 20VT engine, this new version is the sportiest, most powerful Ibiza model available.
Currently, SEAT's sportiest cars fall under the FR and Cupra categories. For their design, equipment level, chassis and most potent engines in the range, the FR versions are distinctly sporty, while the Cupra versions take sportiness and exclusivity a step further - these vehicles benefit from the experience accumulated in national and international racing, and are wholly developed and manufactured by SEAT Sport.
The arrival of the new Ibiza FR is an addition to the SEAT product range to include the FR concept, and the León Top Sport versions will soon also be named FR.
Visibly different
The new Ibiza FR transmits sportiness at a glance, thanks to its attractive, five double-spoke, satin finish titanium coloured 16 inch alloy wheels. This colour can also be found on the door mirrors, and the headlamp and taillight housing is painted in a smoky titanium colour. This detailing helps define the image of this version and set it apart from the rest of the range.
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/ibiza_int.jpg
The exclusively designed front bumper features honeycomb mesh over the air intake vents, while the rear bumper sports a chromed double exhaust. Another identifying element on this version includes the FR badge on the B-pillars.
The interior of the Ibiza FR also contains several sporty elements, such as the metallic finish on the instrument panel and central console, air nozzles, gear knob and glove compartment handle.
The steering wheel, gear knob and gearshift lever are wrapped in leather with grey stitching. The newly designed seats are upholstered in a novelty, metallic look fabric.
The fastest Ibiza
The attractive image of the Ibiza FR complements the excellent performance level of its 1.8 litre engine and twenty valve cylinder head. Delivering a 150 hp output, the Ibiza FR reaches a top speed of 216 km/h and accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h in 8.4 seconds, placing this FR version at the top of the Ibiza range.
But its excellent performance levels do not imply an excess fuel consumption. In the extra urban cycle, the Ibiza FR only uses up 6.1 litres of petrol for every 100 kilometres.
To match its characteristics, the Ibiza FR features a new suspension system with stiffer coils. Developments carried out on the chassis by specialists at the SEAT Technical Centre in Martorell have also led to the modification of the diameter on the front anti-roll bar and a variation on the way the rear axle is anchored onto the chassis, resulting in sportier handling with less rocking.
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/ibiza_rear.jpg
FR, two letters that stand for success
With the arrival of the Ibiza FR, SEAT has extended its sportiest range, which now features FR on the Ibiza, the León Top Sport, and the exclusive León Cupra R. In 2004, SEAT will be adding yet another new model to this sporty range - the Ibiza Cupra.
The monthly increase in sales is proof of the popularity of SEAT's high performance products. The León Top Sport versions, which will soon also be named FR, account for approximately 25% of all units sold. These versions are equipped exclusively with the 180 hp 1.8 20VT and 150 hp 1.9 TDi engines.
All these figures demonstrate the success of SEAT's sportiest, most powerful versions - a high-performance range that now includes the new Ibiza FR.
Slam that on the 17"ers from the León Top Sport and it's perfect! :D
Edit: Why can't I post pics with the img tags!? :mad:
ibizacupra
04-12-2003, 18:39
it still looks shite...:sick:
Boring..........Yawn..... New 150bhp motor.... less than MK3... Duh!
I echo Bill on this one.
It looks like a 1.2. It has poverty spec interior, including a tape deck and manual air con. On the outside it still hasn't got colour coded mirrors or side strips, and the wheels look like cheap accessory wheels...tacky springs to mind.
The rear lights might grow on me and possibly onto my car though as they are in a dark surround, unlike my current ones which are red.
Bring on the Cupra, I say. My mum's wanting to replace her Ibiza Cupra soon and if she sees this FR she'll probably laugh all the way to BMW for a Mini Cooper S.
Shock_Xe
04-12-2003, 20:27
So in other words the FR is a BUDGET Cupra!!!
Press release and more pics now on Cupra.Net
http://www.seatcupra.net/reviews.php?descrip=04/12/03%20Ibiza%20FR%20Launch
Yup seems to be a cut price Cupra, not a bad idea if the price is right, but something tells me we may not see these in the UK.
The Cupra is a big seller in the UK, and its the Cupra most people would want to go for, but we'll wait and see, interesting they've not announced the Cupra yet, they could be going for something more potent than first indicated, though i do think we'll see an oil burner hot hatch too.
I sure as hell cant see them shifting many of these! They're having a laugh at SEAT HQ. I mean how many more versions do they want to introduce. FR? Do me a favour! Cupra, Cupra R, basics!! Problem solved, everyone happy!
Why on earth would i want to part ex my 156bhp 4 a heavier 150bhp?
not a fan of the mk4 tbh,and that just makes it look like a bad day at the bodyshop,those wheels look like a back street motorfactors knock off.silver mirrors,ok may grow on folk,but wtf have they put black rubbing strips on it?
very happy to be in the old skool tbh,20vt probs,and some shite designs on the mk4.badging up as a skoda will deffo be my next choice;)
driveforward
04-12-2003, 21:44
Agreed with all that's been said. Bill's point say's it all really. Utter tish.
Looks like something you'd see in a Halfords car park. Not for me.
all i can think is this is a cut down version of the cupra to go head to head with the likes of the pug 206 gti. were as the cupra would go head to head with the 206 gti180.
I read on a rival forum
"I got the bulletin on that car from SEAT 2day
my version says cupra in 2004 but no dates as yet.
what is interesting tho is my lastest copy of ETKA lists build dates for the 150TDI beeza as 12/03 and the 180BHP VT as 05/04
now im not sure if this is 4 the UK market or if it's even correct but it's interesting the things u can find when u know where 2 look"
ibizacupra
05-12-2003, 07:23
Is it true Honda pressurised SEAT into dropping the 'R' reference off their cars?
Can they do that?
if that maybe true bill , why dont honda for for jag ???
b.
Remember that in Europe, our Cupra is called an FR, so for most of Europe its not a new designation. There was a story in Auto Express this week, which i put on the R forum, it explains that the Cupra R designation will be dropped, and all future range toppers will be called Cupra, that will probably explain why the Ibiza Cupra R prototype that appeared at Geneva, became the Ibiza Cupra Prototype in Frankfurt in September (well, at least in press releases, the pics still showed the R, along with the website).
Some of this confusion is because of the different designations in UK to the rest of Europe.
For example
In Europe they have models like Signo,Stella, Sport, Top Sport, FR, Cupra R, Cupra4 for the Leon
In UK we have S, SE, SX, Cupra, Cupra R
etc etc
so, we will have to see if i) This comes to the UK ii) what it will be called and iii) Will the Cupra R prototype become the Cupra
Clear as mud, eh?
Looks just like a TDi sport..
would probably get tanked by a TDi sport too :o
The silver mirrors.... :sick: almost as bad as the chrome ones you can get on a S3
What the heck is going on at SEAT? That car in no way compares to the MK3 Cupra never mind improving on it...
Looks dont do it for me, its heavier than the mk3, the alloys are a joke, lower power than the MK3 Cupra in fact not one thing about that car would get me to buy one.... Pedro hit the wine to heavy at lunch time I think...
As for the chrome mirrors on the S3's I like them.. but not the mirrors on the mk4 Ibiza.
muddyboots
05-12-2003, 12:32
Notice how they only quote the "extra-urban" fuel economy figure ?
6.1 litres per 100km - roughly converts to 46mpg extra-urban.
My TDI gets a combined average of 53 mpg, and it's more powerful...:rotfl:
Have to agree the "FR" does look like a base model. Wonder what kind of price it'll go for.
ibizacupra
05-12-2003, 13:26
OMG... going all Euro.... :sick:
First Marathon chocy bar turns into Snickers
Opal Fruits turn into Starburst
where will it all end :p :rolleyes:
Gallons turn into litres
lbs/ozs turn into grams and Kilo's
;)
that new "thing" looks crap . :repuke: at least it makes the mk3 still
look great :p
The press release for the FR is shown on www.news.kak.net as coming from SEAT UK. Read into that what you want!
big ALI H
05-12-2003, 14:59
Is actually says from seat.co.uk but just been on there and theres no mention (unless its in the Press Releases area)
The SEAT UK press media site has not released any info regarding this model, this press release came from the European Spanish Media site.
I think the site mentioned news.kak have got their wires crossed.
LAst big announcement on SEAT UK's press site is the launch of the SEAT Toldeo 1.9TDi Sport back in Novemeber.
big ALI H
05-12-2003, 15:37
Next big announcement better be: SEAT UK to release Mk4 Beefa Cupra R and give a god damn date too. Off to my dealer this weekend to see what they know
driveforward
05-12-2003, 15:58
Originally posted by big ALI H
Next big announcement better be: SEAT UK to release Mk4 Beefa Cupra R and give a god damn date too. Off to my dealer this weekend to see what they know
What happened to the Leon TDI 130!?
Over at Carkeys.net, they mention the new FR being launched in the UK, at the same time as mentioning the new Cupra. Could be taken both ways. Have a look.
we'll have to wait and see. Just checked both the international and national press sites and no mention of UK, in fact there still isnt anything from the UK press site at all.
I'm pretty sure it will come here. Hot and warm hatches are big business after all
driveforward
06-12-2003, 12:43
Originally posted by andyb
I'm pretty sure it will come here. Hot and warm hatches are big business after all
You missed out mildly chilled = FR :(
Snoopstah
06-12-2003, 16:03
Originally posted by toXXin
It has poverty spec interior, including a tape deck and manual air con.
Does it even have manual aircon? Looking at the interior pic, there only seems to be a button for air recirculation!
Sorry but Seat have really messed up in my opinion.
Looks ugly, heavier and less powerful than the Mk3... why would i want to 'upgrade' from my Mk3 to that?
Well, it appears that EVERY comment so far on this thread has been against it, so I think its probably fair to say that the general opinion is a big thumbs down. Lets hope that Seat are good at reading public opinion and can turn it around somehow.
Also, read on AutoExpress that Seat are being restricted in the amount of power their cars have and they will not be allowed 4wd because the Seats have to sit below the Audis in the VAG sports ranges. :(
Ben
driveforward
06-12-2003, 23:19
Originally posted by BenS1
Also, read on AutoExpress that Seat are being restricted in the amount of power their cars have and they will not be allowed 4wd because the Seats have to sit below the Audis in the VAG sports ranges. :(
Ben
It's TDI Topsport time for me whilst they still make them then ;)
Originally posted by Snoopstah
Does it even have manual aircon? Looking at the interior pic, there only seems to be a button for air recirculation!
You could be right. I assume in the UK the specs will be changed and it'll get a CD player and Climate Control when it's released.
I have been reliably informed by a good dealer that they car will be released in the UK, the sales manager said it should be around June 2004.
Originally posted by BenS1
Also, read on AutoExpress that Seat are being restricted in the amount of power their cars have and they will not be allowed 4wd because the Seats have to sit below the Audis in the VAG sports ranges. :(
So they want good results from on of their own brands but yet they put a ball & chain on them? Good business ethics then.......
BeezerDiesel
07-12-2003, 15:30
Perhaps VW are getting a bit envious of SEAT as the mkV Golf looks just like a scaled up Beezer. Maybe they want to sit on SEAT (excuse the pun) a bit to stop them becoming too successful as there's always been in-house rivalry between VW and Audi.
What has happened to it, the original picture i saw looked great the alloys look weedy and it has lost the aggressive stance, not sure about the S3 lookalike silver mirrors instead of chrome:mad:
Come on Seat things were going so well, FR sounds very very lame up:confused:
big ALI H
08-12-2003, 07:22
Originally posted by driveforward
What happened to the Leon TDI 130!?
Its just another option mate. Still really fancy the Leon and its probably what i'll end up getting TBH. It'd just be nice to see SEAT stop teasing us and give us some info on cars they release pics of. TBH i think the Ibiza Cupra R will be too expensive at the moment.
driveforward
08-12-2003, 07:28
Originally posted by big ALI H
TBH i think the Ibiza Cupra R will be too expensive at the moment.
I wouldn't spend the money on it, I'd be wanting something more, like a better looking bigger car...
..oh - a "Leon" ;)
big ALI H
08-12-2003, 07:53
Originally posted by driveforward
I wouldn't spend the money on it, I'd be wanting something more, like a better looking bigger car...
..oh - a "Leon" ;)
Good call mate, and TBH i think i'm being a bit daft - i love my Leon except for the fuel consuption, the 130 TDI SE will solve my probs and i'll have a car i know i like and am happy with. It'll also give me a chance to get a few bits n bobs to make it look nice - wheels, Cupra/ Cupra R kit and the one i've been offered is the colour i want too - Imperial Blue Metallic:)
driveforward
08-12-2003, 08:14
They still do Imperial Blue?
I thought they phased it out :confused: - sure it's a PD 130?! (silly question i know!)
big ALI H
08-12-2003, 08:35
Originally posted by driveforward
They still do Imperial Blue?
I thought they phased it out :confused: - sure it's a PD 130?! (silly question i know!)
Sorry, i'm talking sh1te mate, i meant Eclipse Blue:redface: :D
driveforward
08-12-2003, 09:15
Originally posted by big ALI H
Sorry, i'm talking sh1te mate, i meant Eclipse Blue:redface: :D
:hammer:
I knew I was right :p
muddyboots
08-12-2003, 11:15
Originally posted by big ALI H
Sorry, i'm talking sh1te mate, i meant Eclipse Blue
Good choice ;)
big ALI H
08-12-2003, 11:38
TBH its my favourite colour (even prefer it to Platinum) but couldnt get it on my Cupra:(
Eclipse is a gorgeous colour...I'm actually thinking I made the wrong decision buying another silver Ibiza, but hey it'll save me money as I have everything colour coded in silver.
Blue GTI
15-12-2003, 23:18
Please look at this gif picture :
NEW ENGINE IBIZA 2004 (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/3141/8690Engine-Ibiza.gif)
Look at engine code BBU. The production will start in may 2004. It's 179HP 1.8T.
Look at engine code BPX. The production will start in march 2004. It's 160HP 1.9TDI.
What dou you think :D
Shock_Xe
16-12-2003, 00:53
Originally posted by Blue GTI
Please look at this gif picture :
NEW ENGINE IBIZA 2004 (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/3141/8690Engine-Ibiza.gif)
Look at engine code BBU. The production will start in may 2004. It's 179HP 1.8T.
Look at engine code BPX. The production will start in march 2004. It's 160HP 1.9TDI.
What dou you think :D
V.Cool!
Originally posted by Blue GTI
Please look at this gif picture :
NEW ENGINE IBIZA 2004 (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/3141/8690Engine-Ibiza.gif)
Look at engine code BBU. The production will start in may 2004. It's 179HP 1.8T.
Look at engine code BPX. The production will start in march 2004. It's 160HP 1.9TDI.
What dou you think :D
Well spotted.
I wonder if the 160bhp TDi is just the 150bhp TDi with a slightly different map. ie. can you get more power out of remapping the TDi 160 than the TDi 150?
Cheers
Ben
Snoopstah
16-12-2003, 13:26
What's the big deal? As I understand it, Cupra is now the spec that Cupra R used to be...
The Mk3 Ibiza Cupra R was 180bhp, so this has 1hp less in a heavier car? Hardly pushing the boundaries...
Originally posted by Snoopstah
What's the big deal? As I understand it, Cupra is now the spec that Cupra R used to be...
The Mk3 Ibiza Cupra R was 180bhp, so this has 1hp less in a heavier car? Hardly pushing the boundaries...
true well PS not Bhp but you know.
better handling probably with the mk4 we will wait and see.
better ride as well i hope.
Will not rust as bad ive seen some ibizas in some state mk2/3.
maybe more refined.
better gearing to take advantage of the power i always found the gearing all wrong on the mk3 ibiza cupra R.
an option of 160bhp TDI.
My personal fealing is as renault have said they will have both the 182PS and a 200bhp(detuned megan sport turbo engine) opinion in the brand new clio sport when it comes out that SEAT have missed an opportunity to lead the pack with the new cupra with a powerful petrol engine.
If they could have just talked VW into letting them have the new 2.0 TSI 200bhp engine from the new golf GTI or used the 1.8T 210 unit
or even audi for the 1.8T 190PS unit as a minimum thats in the A4.
The problem is the ibiza cupra is going to have the same problem the 206GTI180 and clio182/clio172 have now there so close to the civic type R for price and are 20bhp down on power/ability/room. So its going to get bad reviews in the magazines because of it.
I think the only saving face for SEAT will be the ibiza 160TDI Cupra as a new idea in the segment. but they should have done something with a powerful petrol too.:(
big ALI H
14-01-2004, 13:59
Originally posted by Ballie
I think the only saving face for SEAT will be the ibiza 160TDI Cupra as a new idea in the segment.
I agree BUT thats IF it ever comes out - theres been that much speculation about when it will come out, if it will come out, what engine it will have - so far we've had the following engines going into the Ibiza Cupra:
1.9 PD TDI 150
1.9 PD TDI 160
2.0 TDI 170
20VT - 180
20VT - 225
I really hope SEAT pull there fingers out - i might have considered one if they had been abit more forthcoming with info - when i e-mailed them they said that they had no info as to when or if they would be releasing it at all. I've gone for the 130 TDI Sport and i'm very happy with it. I may look at Revo/Jabba/AMD in the future and IF the Cupra comes out, then look at getting the kit, but i for one can't be ar5ed waiting for SEAT to make their minds up.
I know Autocar mag have the release dates of all the new cars in their - the Cupra was supposed to be out in Jan, then one of the editions recently dropped it all together and it wasn't listed - is this a sign? The next car from SEAT is supposed to be the Altea, then i imagine they'll look at the replacement Leon & Toledo.
big ALI H
14-01-2004, 14:09
Originally posted by Blue GTI
Please look at this gif picture :
NEW ENGINE IBIZA 2004 (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/3141/8690Engine-Ibiza.gif)
Look at engine code BBU. The production will start in may 2004. It's 179HP 1.8T.
Look at engine code BPX. The production will start in march 2004. It's 160HP 1.9TDI.
What dou you think :D
It also says the Leon V6 was out in June 01 - this doesn't mean it'll come to the UK even if it is released. By looks of things the FR should have been out last month so i wouldnt read too much into that
Originally posted by big ALI H
It also says the Leon V6 was out in June 01 - this doesn't mean it'll come to the UK even if it is released. By looks of things the FR should have been out last month so i wouldnt read too much into that
thats a parts list from the parts list disc.
for the dealers to find parts from for different models.
Its 'build' date not release date.
Its a date from when it was made for the factory start production date.
companys always build stock before releasing a car for example MINI did for over 3 months maybe longer but the build date could be 3 months before the lanch date. even longer in other countrys.
V6 leon.
Just because its on the list does of cause not meen its available in the UK but there maybe gray imports that someone comes into a seat dealer and asks for parts for so its on the list.
You will also notice that the mexican versions are listed for the same reason. its built date. not release date in a certain country.
But that link of the pic is about as official notice of new models from SEAT as you will get as its sent to dealers as an update to there lists.
SEATs press office and Q answeres have no idea whats going on so just fob you off. That ETKA pic is from SEAT as an update to dealers so is as good confermation of maybe uk models as you will get as SEAT UK don't know there ass from there elbow
FR according to autoexpress is out the 26th this month. I wait and see if its true or not i don't think it will be.
big ALI H
14-01-2004, 14:37
Originally posted by Ballie
thats a parts list from the parts list disc.
for the dealers to find parts from for different models.
Its 'build' date not release date.
Its a date from when it was made for the factory start production date.
companys always build stock before releasing a car for example MINI did for over 3 months maybe longer but the build date could be 3 months before the lanch date. even longer in other countrys.
V6 leon.
Just because its on the list does of cause not meen its available in the UK but there maybe gray imports that someone comes into a seat dealer and asks for parts for so its on the list.
You will also notice that the mexican versions are listed for the same reason. its built date. not release date in a certain country.
But that link of the pic is about as official notice of new models from SEAT as you will get as its sent to dealers as an update to there lists.
FR according to autoexpress is out the 26th this month. I wait and see if its true or not i don't think it will be.
Right, i see mate.
If the FR was out on the 26th, you'd think it would have been advertised by now to get people going to the dealers to enquire/pre-order/book test drives etc. You'd also think it would be on the website too
Thats what i said i don't believe autoexpress got it right..
but at least you know from the official SEAT ETKA scan what will be built when.
Afterall the ETKA parts list discs and its updates are suppose to be confidential privileged infomation between SEAT and there dealers only.
When the cars will be released and if it will be available in the UK no one knows.
aaronbromley
08-03-2006, 14:20
Sorry for dragging up an old thread..... Just wanted to know, do people still dislike the FR?
Ol' Timer
08-03-2006, 15:10
I think there are some people around who just don't like the Mk 4 Ibiza and never will. Others, like me, are fans and think it's a great little car.
Of the Ibiza models available I think the FR stands out as the best blend of price, performance and specification, especially with the forthcoming facelifted version. Have a look at the Evo review of the Ibiza Cupra posted by BeeSix today and you will see that Evo recommends the FR as the pick of the range. I really like mine anyway.:)
aaronbromley
08-03-2006, 15:12
Yeah i actually saw that, was proud to be an owner of the car!
T. Spark
08-03-2006, 15:18
Made for some interesting reading tbh!
Alot of people couldnt see the car being as succesful as it was, makes me think about the slating the mk2 Leon got awhile ago!
Made me giggle alot of the posts on the first page..
"No-one is going to buy this, surely"
"A TDi Sport will be faster"
"Doesnt even have colour coded wing mirrors"
To answer, Yes they did... No its not, and its a FR?!
Tho the petrol model was only mentioned at the early stages and that hasnt been as big a success as the TDi (which is basically a Sport)
Personally, I prefer the overall look of a standard FR over a standard Sport (of the day)
Good read, just goes to show how wrong we can be :p
As id say Seat got it right with the FR (esp the TDi :D)
aaronbromley
08-03-2006, 15:40
Yeah, IMO they got it spot on, just lacking a bit of build quality here and there, i much prefer my FR TDI as apposed to my old 52 plate TDI Sport, its just the subtle changes i like, wing mirrors, exhaust, wheels, dials, dash. Things like that... especially the MP3 player and steering controls. + the fact that my FR is not wrapped around a load of concrete pillars like my TDI Sport was last time i was in it.
think the facelift FR moves it on even more and makes the phase 1 FR look a little drab
Ol' Timer
08-03-2006, 16:03
For me the ultimate praise is that I can't think of another car of a remotely similar price that I would rather own at the moment. I have been looking round at the other possibilities but there is nothing I prefer.
I like the size: big enough inside but small enough to slot into most parking spaces.
I like the performance: even standard it seems to keep up with most other cars I encounter on the road and the power for overtaking is fantastic.
I like the economy: if I want to go somewhere I can just go without having to worry too much about the fuel cost.
I like the handling: great for belting round the country lanes here and yet comfortable enough for a 400 mile journey to Scotland.
I like the exclusivity: 18 months on I have still only seen two others on the road.
I still look forward to getting into it and driving it every morning.
Sorry, I guess I'm just a bit of a FR bore.:)
aaronbromley
08-03-2006, 16:09
Same here though, i love the FR Diesels, i have only seen a limited amount around. I loved the Sport though, but love the FR even more, so much that they inspired me to create my website.
BeezerDiesel
08-03-2006, 16:33
Got to agree there. I never liked the initial mk4s, no matter how much I tried. I loved the mk2 and mk3 Beezer but the mk4 didn't do it for me. I even bought one and tried to like it, but it just didn't feel special enough. BUT now having seen the facelifted version I've got to take my hat of to SEAT - it should have been like that from the start; great looks, great spec and pretty darn good pricing. The Petrol FR is superb value for money, especially when compared to the forthcoming Polo GTI.
aaronbromley
08-03-2006, 17:02
Got to agree there. I never liked the initial mk4s, no matter how much I tried. I loved the mk2 and mk3 Beezer but the mk4 didn't do it for me. I even bought one and tried to like it, but it just didn't feel special enough. BUT now having seen the facelifted version I've got to take my hat of to SEAT - it should have been like that from the start; great looks, great spec and pretty darn good pricing. The Petrol FR is superb value for money, especially when compared to the forthcoming Polo GTI.
I think your mis-understood, this thread was started before the FR came out, it is all about the first FR ibiza's (the time when the TDI Sport models were the newest)
BeezerDiesel
08-03-2006, 17:18
I posted in this thread back when it was current hence why I'm reading it now. I still think the sport was a dull car, I owned one, it lacked character, full stop. The FR was an improvement in many areas but as I said above the 'new' FR is what it should have been from the start. Just bringing the thread up to date.
If you merely wanted to know whether my opinion has changed on the original FR then my thoughts still are: It's okay but still lacks something. I preferred the Skabia vRS, and still do. Second hand the FR is probably cracking value for money, and if I needed a commuter car it would be near the top of my list, with a set of 17 inch alloys on, so it didn't look so top heavy - which neatly brings us back to the 'new' FR.......