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ibizacupra
16-01-2002, 22:24
Do any of you guys want +20mm wheel spacers for you Leons or Ibiza's.
I have drawn some up and am having some quoted by my machine shop for myself, so if any of you want some, please let me know. The 20VT Ibiza is -35mm narrower track on the rear than the front. Adding the wider rear track has helped corner stability. The ones I have drawn will fit 4 or 5 bolt 100mm PCD hubs.
No idea on exact price yet, but probably £40 ish or thereabouts.
Let me know.
cheers
Bill
Put me down for a set for my Beeza..
Daz..
CupraPug
17-01-2002, 08:29
Bill,
Sounds like a good idea to me - I would'nt mind a set.
Nick.
:) :D :cool:
yeah me too but will they affect the life of the bearings?
ibizacupra
17-01-2002, 12:46
Originally posted by gtevo
yeah me too but will they affect the life of the bearings?
Unlikely... to affect the bearing life in my experience.
regards
Bill
put me down for a set then please Bill
Me too please Bill. They'll do until I can get some new 16x7 wheels.
Scoobster
18-01-2002, 13:42
How do they fit on? I am not at all a motor mechanic geeza.. and although know how my car works.. have never taken any of a car apart... so.. just wondered what sort of work is needed to fit some spacers.. ???
I would like to widen my rear track as it looks a bit strange with the narrow rear track on the car. Plus a tighter more solid handling car in bends would be nice.
So, I might be interested.. If I couldn't fit myself.. would a garage put em on for me? how long to do?
Cheers..
ibizacupra
18-01-2002, 13:52
Originally posted by Scoobster
How do they fit on? I am not at all a motor mechanic geeza.. and although know how my car works.. have never taken any of a car apart... so.. just wondered what sort of work is needed to fit some spacers.. ???
I would like to widen my rear track as it looks a bit strange with the narrow rear track on the car. Plus a tighter more solid handling car in bends would be nice.
So, I might be interested.. If I couldn't fit myself.. would a garage put em on for me? how long to do?
Cheers..
The spacers just fit and locate off the factory hub, and the wheels get bolted (need longer bolts by +20mm) back on. If you can change a wheel you can fit wheel spacers. The ones I will have machined up, will accomodate 4 and 5 bolt 100mm PCD fitments, which should be fine for the Leons, Golfs, TT's, Ibizas, Polo's, etc etc...
Longer bolts are a must.
I can source these if needed, but I have'nt looked into that at the moment.
regards
Bill
Bill,
I'd be interested.
Any chance of bringing some copies of the drawings to the RR tomorrow. I may be able to get some made up in the machine shop at work. Only a possibility.
Are they hand drawn or produced on CAD.
Cheers
ADE
P.S. I own a Beezer Cupra
ibizacupra
18-01-2002, 20:40
Originally posted by ademason99
Bill,
I'd be interested.
Any chance of bringing some copies of the drawings to the RR tomorrow. I may be able to get some made up in the machine shop at work. Only a possibility.
Are they hand drawn or produced on CAD.
Cheers
ADE
P.S. I own a Beezer Cupra
Its drawn in Autocad LT 2000
It did take me a little while to design & draw them up and they will be Badger5 products when done....
:)
Bill
Bill sign us up for set mate with bolts looking forward to metting everyone tomorrow @ the RR
What about the locking wheel nut ? Could this be replaced as well, with a longer version ?!
P.S. Had a good time at the RR today.
Be aware everyone, wheel spacers can affect your car insurance... and not telling your insurance company can invalidate your insurance! I know it sounds stupid as they are not really performance enhancing, but my insurance company explicitly ask if any wheel spacers are fitted on the vehivle details form (Adrium Flux Insurance).
Ben
ibizacupra
19-01-2002, 21:53
Originally posted by BenS1
Be aware everyone, wheel spacers can affect your car insurance... and not telling your insurance company can invalidate your insurance! I know it sounds stupid as they are not really performance enhancing, but my insurance company explicitly ask if any wheel spacers are fitted on the vehivle details form (Adrium Flux Insurance).
Ben
Bloody ell.
They'll be asking for air fresheners next..... or furry dice...
Any excuse to shaft you for some more ££
Bill
Talking of Insurance.
As you guys (Bill & Ben !!), both have the PSS9 kit, how did this affect your insurance premium.
I am with Directline and will be asking them shortly, but I am just curious. I guess you have both told your insurance company's ?
When they ask how much has it been lowered by, how to they take to an adjustable kit. Do you have to tell them the maxamum the drop the kit will allow ??
I may ask them about spacers at the same time ?!
ADE (
Trog)
I don't think DirectLine will let you do it at all..... they just refuse to insure modded cars! (In my experience)
My insurance company is Adrian Flux, and they specialise in modded car insurance (They need more work in the customer service dept though!). They are very mod friendly.... I got a quote for my car with the 207bhp RSD conversion for £850 (Which is the same as I was already on with my unmodded 205GTi!).... I phoned back couple of weeks later and said that I'd be adding the PSS9s (They know what an adjustable suspension kit is) and they said that it would be no change.... £850.... I then said "What about if I add an induction kit" they said still no change. Basically I can keep modding the car as much as i like and the price wont change (OK, Nitrous might be pushing it a bit!).
However, I moved house to a much lower risk area (Which they agreed was lower risk) and from on road parking to garaged and they charged me £25 admin fee!!!!
Ben
Ben,
I had a completely different response from A Flux. I was with them right up until I got my Beezer 20VT. Upon my renewal (3 month before getting the ibiza), I mentioned I was getting the Ibiza 20VT ans would there be a problem insuring it. They said no, and I could also upgrade to the 210 conversion for a premium increase of £150 :) nice I thought.
When I then tried to swap my car over (3 months later), they claimed that the underwriters they had put me with could no longer insure me with either the 156 or 210 BHP !!!!!! CRAP.
They therefore had to put me with another underwriter which meant loosing those 3 months no claims bonus, so I didn't really have anything to stay with A Flux for.
I manged to get a much better quote from Direct line (and tesco's who run through direct line) which turned out to be £90 better than the new A Flux quote with different underwriter. Hence with all the poor customer service I received from A Flux I changed over to Direct Line (£760 FC)
I asked direct line about mods i/e. susp and they said no probs (they r much better these days), just phone b4 you get them done. Also, when I got a quote from Tescos, I also managed to get the 210 conversion insured !!. Tesco runs through direct line, so I should have no trouble with susp mods. I'm debating whether to tell ins. company about chip ?!
Sorry for long reply - unrelated to thread, but had to get that off my chest ;)
How did ne one else put PSS9/susp upgrade to their insurance company?
Ade
i'd like some too
make it nice & square then
ibizacupra
22-01-2002, 19:49
Originally posted by MarkP
i'd like some too
make it nice & square then
Nice and square?
I'm a bit dim tonight?
Bill
ibizacupra
22-01-2002, 20:33
Originally posted by MarkP
square like a mini.
You mean wide right?
+20mm per side wide.
Sorry - I'm being very dim here :(
Bill
Mark_349
22-01-2002, 21:02
just wondering what the arch clearence is like on your ibizas?
im assuming that its 20mm either side which seems to me to be quite a wide spacer? I thought i read somewhere the type R was only 5mm wider either side (could be wrong).
Id just be a bit worried about wheels catching on the arches esp. if you have 17" wheels?
//\\//\\ark
ibizacupra
22-01-2002, 21:12
Originally posted by Mark_349
just wondering what the arch clearence is like on your ibizas?
im assuming that its 20mm either side which seems to me to be quite a wide spacer? I thought i read somewhere the type R was only 5mm wider either side (could be wrong).
Id just be a bit worried about wheels catching on the arches esp. if you have 17" wheels?
//\\//\\ark
That would be your call.
It is going to be dependant on your rim width and offset.
On the stock 6"x16" 20VT wheels, there is plenty of space in the arch.
If in doubt... check.
The 20mm width is the minimum you can get and maintain a centre hub to locate and support the wheel off. Single spacers up to a max of 10mm, will leave only a slight stub of engagement on the wheel centre. Its a jump from 10mm to 20mm as there would be no support otherwise.
regards
Bill
regards
Bill
Mark_349
22-01-2002, 23:08
thanks for the info Bill.... i was just thinking how tight my 17's are on my current ibiza, no room for spacers there!
Ive not even got my 20VT and ive already got a list of mods planned for it! lol
Oh and you just beat me on posting that info about the engine mounts too... just as i went to post about the comments in vwvortex you did it... great minds think alike!, or is it fools seldom differ?!!?
Oh well, thats enough rantings from me for now.
//\\//\\ark
Bill looking through the powerzone catalogue last night and they already do 20mm spacers for about £49
ibizacupra
23-01-2002, 20:16
Originally posted by gtevo
Bill looking through the powerzone catalogue last night and they already do 20mm spacers for about £49
Powerzone?
Who/what are they?
Anything you could email me?
bill@badger5.co.uk
cheers
Bill
Bill i will get the telephone and web address for you tonight they are up north somewhere!!!!!
david
Cuprasport2000
29-01-2002, 10:49
Hi Bill,
I would be very interested in getting me a set of these. It's one thing thats bugged me about the Beeza Cupras looks since I got it. Please let me know where and how to get the dosh to you.
cheers,
Sean.
cuprasport2000@yahoo.com
ibizacupra
30-01-2002, 13:16
Hello Dave (gtevo) et al,
I did speak with them yesterday. They can get hold of a stock of 6 sets in fixed hub +20mm spacers for our 4 bolt fitments, at a price of £70/pair.
I am trying my prototype tonight as they have been finished this morning, so all being well I can get my quote for the qty people want. Mine are 4/5 bolt 100mmPCD fitment, making them suitable for VAG range cars (not big Audi's)
Before I commit to buying a qty in, I will want payment from peeps who are still interested.
I will post the Badger5 price when I get the quote back from my machine shop.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
30-01-2002, 22:13
I have posted the pictures of the prototypes made for the +20mm spacers for 4 and 5 bolt 100mmPCD Seat/VW/Audi hubs.
they can been seen here>> http://www.badger-5.go-plus.net/page3.html
Job is now going to be quoted by the machine shop as they fit perfectly :D
you can see what you will be getting.
any questions, please ask.
Bill
They look nice!
EMR Engineering in Brackley might be good - we use at work & they also do loads for BAR & Jordan too.
I can get you a contact number on Friday if you like?
ibizacupra
30-01-2002, 22:30
Originally posted by MarkP
They look nice!
EMR Engineering in Brackley might be good - we use at work & they also do loads for BAR & Jordan too.
I can get you a contact number on Friday if you like?
Thanks Mark.
I am not stuck for machining shops as I use a local one for my throttle components..
thanks for the offer though.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
08-02-2002, 09:12
Gentlemen.
Spacer quote is in from my m/c shop.
They will cost you £65/pair inc vat +delivery (£7.50)
This is for +20mm Aluminium hub-centric spacers in 4/5x100PCD fitment. This Ok for Golf IV, III, Seat Leon, Ibiza, Audi TT, A3 etc....
Orders need to be placed now so I can place the correct order qty on the machine shop. Machine shop delivery time is 5 days from order placement.
If you do want spacers now, please send me an email to confirm, and I will give you the details of how to make payment etc by email.
I need your orders first to commit to the machine shop a suitable qty.
email me @ spacers@badger5.demon.co.uk to place your order (payment will be requested by email and details will be emailed back to you) - please include your name, postal address and method of payment in your email.
thanks
Bill
Bill,
I have a few questions......................
Isn't alluminium a bit soft. I know steel would be too heavy, but what about a form of alloy?
Also, I guess you do not forsee any stress problem with these?
What about the New length bolts?, and what would we do about sourcing the longer locking wheel nut (bolt) ?
I am thinking of getting some new wheels, but If I get 17x205's, do you think they will foul with these spacers in place?
Cheers
ADE
(trog)
ibizacupra
09-02-2002, 15:13
Originally posted by ademason99
Bill,
I have a few questions......................
Isn't alluminium a bit soft. I know steel would be too heavy, but what about a form of alloy?
Also, I guess you do not forsee any stress problem with these?
What about the New length bolts?, and what would we do about sourcing the longer locking wheel nut (bolt) ?
I am thinking of getting some new wheels, but If I get 17x205's, do you think they will foul with these spacers in place?
Cheers
ADE
(trog)
Almost all spacers are aluminium. Aluminium in the grade I have specified is an alloy, no worries there. They will be plenty hard enough. (your wheels are aluminium alloy)
I can get bolts, or you can source them yourselves.
I had ordered a 50mm long bolt set myself, but the ones which arrived were the wrong seat type, so I have returned them and am waiting the ones I ordered !!
If you are unsure about the extra width of after market wheels/tyres in conjunction with +20mm spacers, then I would'nt advise you get spacers without first checking to see what clearance you actually have. Rim width, offset, tyre size, lowering all can have an effect on your ultimate clearance.
Bill
Bill,
Have you fitted your wheel spacers yet?
If I order a set, I will probably get the suspension kit (not decided what yet :( ) and add the spacers at the same time, so that the camber can be set up correctly once lowered. Therefore I cannot give you an answer as to whether I want then just yet.
APR have mentioned a susp set up using Bilstein Shocks with APR springs. Let's see what springs they use.
I thought the sprintline kits were a complete package, but everyone seems to go on about Billy's with Eibachs/H&R etc... Dont they come with springs ?
ADE
Ade. just a thought - what makes you think the camber changes when you fit spacers??
Bill - if i can find the right bolts then i'll send you a cheque!!
Sorry, it doesn't read very well ! Doh
I just meant that as i'm having the susp uprated (which will need the camber alignment checking), I can put the spacers on at the same time (whilst the wheels are off.
Ade
ibizacupra
20-02-2002, 12:25
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Gentlemen.
Spacer quote is in from my m/c shop.
They will cost you £65/pair inc vat +delivery (£7.50)
This is for +20mm Aluminium hub-centric spacers in 4/5x100PCD fitment. This Ok for Golf IV, III, Seat Leon, Ibiza, Audi TT, A3 etc....
Orders need to be placed now so I can place the correct order qty on the machine shop. Machine shop delivery time is 5 days from order placement.
If you do want spacers now, please send me an email to confirm, and I will give you the details of how to make payment etc by email.
I need your orders first to commit to the machine shop a suitable qty.
email me @ spacers@badger5.demon.co.uk to place your order (payment will be requested by email and details will be emailed back to you) - please include your name, postal address and method of payment in your email.
thanks
Bill
Ok peeps.
I am getting 5 sets of these +20mm 4x100PCD spacers.
The supply is now H&R, and come with TUV papers for anyone who was concerned about "soft" aluminium.
Order is being placed for 5 sets.
Prices remain as above. (£65 includes £7.50 carriage )
10 day delivery I am told.
Send your cheques payable to Badger5 Ltd, to the following address: 57 Adelaide Gardens, Stonehouse, Glos, GL10 2PZ.
Please include your name and address to where you want the goods sent.
thankyou
Bill
Great! Nice one Bill. I'm writing the cheque out now.
Some quick questions though.
What about the bolts?
Can you supply?
Damo :D :D :D
ibizacupra
20-02-2002, 13:39
Originally posted by Damo
Great! Nice one Bill. I'm writing the cheque out now.
Some quick questions though.
What about the bolts?
Can you supply?
Damo :D :D :D
I can, however........
The bolts will be different for different rims, hub thickness's etc, so would need to be handled individually for each application.
bolt head shoulders are either radius seat or 60 degree taper seat. Standard Seat wheels are radius seat. Some after market wheels are taper, some are radius.
I have in stock 16 off 50mm long taper seat bolts at the moment.
regards
Bill
Hmmm, my wheels are standard 20VT alloys.
Any ideas where I can get some from?
Do you know how much they are, roughly?
Many thanks
Damo :D
ibizacupra
20-02-2002, 18:35
Originally posted by Damo
Hmmm, my wheels are standard 20VT alloys.
Any ideas where I can get some from?
Do you know how much they are, roughly?
Many thanks
Damo :D
I need to check their catalogue but they were approx £1.50 each..
rounded shoulder is what you will need.
I'll post the bolt lengths and prices in a while.
regards
Bill
Cool.
I was just thinking that if you could get hold of them easily, then would it be possible for you to send them to me, in with the spacers.
I haven't released the cheque yet and thought I would ask this before I do.
Regards
Damo:D
ibizacupra
27-02-2002, 11:55
Originally posted by Damo
Cool.
I was just thinking that if you could get hold of them easily, then would it be possible for you to send them to me, in with the spacers.
I haven't released the cheque yet and thought I would ask this before I do.
Regards
Damo:D
Cheque received yesterday.
I won't be cashing it until I send out the spacers, which are due to me early next week.
regards
Bill
I'll be sending one once i've convinced myself I'm not going to mash the tyres against the bodywork once i've lowered it on the weekend.
or might just give you pound notes.
ibizacupra
27-02-2002, 15:43
Originally posted by MarkP
I'll be sending one once i've convinced myself I'm not going to mash the tyres against the bodywork once i've lowered it on the weekend.
or might just give you pound notes.
ok.. real money is fine too :D
regards
Bill
Bill,
Do you have any pictures of the car with them fitted?
Also have you noticed any improvements in handeling with them fitted?
Oh and is the price for 4x 20mm spacers or 2x?
ibizacupra
27-02-2002, 21:17
Originally posted by smithrc
Bill,
Do you have any pictures of the car with them fitted?
Also have you noticed any improvements in handeling with them fitted?
Oh and is the price for 4x 20mm spacers or 2x?
I don't have any piccies yet no.
The price is for a pair inc VAT.
With my add-hoc spacers I do feel there has been increased rear end stability when I tested the tweeks at Castle Combe last year. The combination of wider rims and tyres and wider rear track seemed to settle the car down a lot. It has since gained PSS9's and the rims will be changed again shortly for another combination to try.
It works for me :D
Especially if you still run the stock 6" wide rims... Fills the rear arches nicely too :)
Bill
Bill,
Any chance you can bring a few spare pairs to Bruntingthorpe just incase anyone wants to buy some? Or have you only made the number ordered?
Also, it would be nice if you kept a demo pair.... ie. couple of laps of Brunty without them. Ten minutes later another couple with them on. Same track, same car, so good comparison.... could be good for a review for the main site too (Which in turn could bring in new orders).
Or am I taking the piss a bit? :D
Ben
ibizacupra
28-02-2002, 17:09
Originally posted by BenS1
Bill,
Any chance you can bring a few spare pairs to Bruntingthorpe just incase anyone wants to buy some? Or have you only made the number ordered?
Also, it would be nice if you kept a demo pair.... ie. couple of laps of Brunty without them. Ten minutes later another couple with them on. Same track, same car, so good comparison.... could be good for a review for the main site too (Which in turn could bring in new orders).
Or am I taking the piss a bit? :D
Ben
Hehe.
I have 5 sets on order... one of them is mine.
My m/c'd prototypes have gone to GTEVO.
Delivery is due to me next week so if I have some left for Brunters I will happily bring them along with me.
As for trying them as a before vs after, I will not be doing that as I know from my own Castle Combe track sessions, that the benefit is real. If anyone wants to try them (need longer bolts), then thats fine.. buy them and try them.
There are 2 benefits one of function (stability increase for rear end) and one of cosmetics, where the rear wheels look lost in the rear arches.
As for taking the piss... :D Possibly mate.. :)
regards
Bill
yo BILL dunno if bigG has called ya yet , but we got a set of arch extensions in stock you might want if ya fancy going wider???
come in black but need painting even if black is needed
ibizacupra
28-02-2002, 22:27
Originally posted by flapper
yo BILL dunno if bigG has called ya yet , but we got a set of arch extensions in stock you might want if ya fancy going wider???
come in black but need painting even if black is needed
a la F2 kit car wide? :D : D:D
Bill
errr not really , more RSturbo than F2 .....sorry
ibizacupra
28-02-2002, 23:11
Originally posted by flapper
errr not really , more RSturbo than F2 .....sorry
Were you serious?
Sorry... suddenly dawned on me you might have been !
regards
Bill
Got any pictures Flappy?
I don't really want to start adding bodykits to my Ibiza but I would like much wider wheels and so wider-arches may be the only option.
Also, how much (fitted & painted)?
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
10-03-2002, 13:37
SPACERS NOW IN. - thanks Martyn for delivering them to me yesterday.:)
Fitted to my own Ibiza today with 7x16 wheels and 205-45-16 tyres, lowered approx 40-50mm on PSS9's. Lovely jubbly. FILLS the arches now.
regards
Bill
Sorry for not buying them on the day Bill as by the time you got hold of them and I found you I was just about to start my last track session of the day.
I'll buy a set befre the next track day though.
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
11-03-2002, 08:46
Just a quick word re the spacers... and suitable rims etc.
I fitted the H&R ones I have bought (5 sets in total bought - 3 sets sold so far).
I have changed the rims to 7x16's ET35 with 205-45-16 tyres, lowered between 40-50mm from stock.
There seems to be s slight touch from the tyre/arch liner over bumps which needs investigation.
Standard 6x16 wheels would be fine.
Just a warning for you guys who might want to step up in rim width and still run low, the +20mm spacers/side will cause a slight rub.
Factory rims will be fine, being that bit narrower.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
12-03-2002, 18:27
Update on bolts & Spacers
I have been buying sets of bolts in for radius seat (stock wheel) in 50mm length.
They will cost you £12 +vat (£14.10inc ) for the axle set + shipping if ordered seperately to spacers. (£7.50 +vat shipping)
Run down on H&R Spacers as a reminder is as follows:-
£65.00 inc vat - Spacers
£14.10 inc vat - wheel bolts
Total=£79.10 delivered carriage inclusive
2 sets available and being offered to a couple of guys who emailed me previously.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
13-03-2002, 19:33
Jeez...
SOLD OUT already...
Anyone else wanting these (and bolts for standard wheels) please email me so I can guage a repeat order qty.
email to> spacers@badger5.demon.co.uk
thanks
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
14-03-2002, 19:22
Anymore for Anymore.
Waiting on placing a repeat order. 10 days delivery, order being placed tomorrow.
Say now or never chaps. (email to> spacers@badger5.demon.co.uk)
regards
Bill
Bill, can you get the angled bolts? that's what mine are
ibizacupra
14-03-2002, 22:09
Originally posted by MarkP
Bill, can you get the angled bolts? that's what mine are
I have a set in stock :)
regards
Bill
For any of you guys thinking about the wheel spacers, I have now fitted mine, and uploaded a few pics to my website.
Very nice :)
The SEAT section of my site has only just been created, so the wheels spacer piccies are the only pics there so far. Feel free to look at all the other crap on here, if u get bored ;)
Go to: -
http://members.tripod.co.uk/ade_mason
and select
SEAT - Cupra > Gallery > Modifications > H&R Wheel Spacers.
Cheers
ADE
ibizacupra
18-03-2002, 08:47
Originally posted by ademason99
For any of you guys thinking about the wheel spacers, I have now fitted mine, and uploaded a few pics to my website.
Very nice :)
The SEAT section of my site has only just been created, so the wheels spacer piccies are the only pics there so far. Feel free to look at all the other crap on here, if u get bored ;)
Go to: -
http://members.tripod.co.uk/ade_mason
and select
SEAT - Cupra > Gallery > Modifications > H&R Wheel Spacers.
Cheers
ADE
Are you happy with them Ade?
Piccies look the bizz... fills the arches nicely cosmetically.
regards
Bill
And they wash your car too by the looks of it! ;)
Ben
My spacers arrived today, waiting for me when I arrived home from work - Thanks Bill!. Couldn't wait, got them straight on there. The car looks a lot more squat and purposeful now, even on standard wheels/suspension.
Took it out for a quick road-test and there's a noticeable improvement in it's road manners - doesn't feel as fidgety over rough surfaces as it previously did. Hard to describe but the car just feels more 'solid' like my old Corrado. It's not perfect, it still pogos when hitting bumps/undulations at speed as if the dampers can't control the spring oscillations but the cornering stability has improved.
Overall, very pleased - thanks again Bill.
ibizacupra
21-03-2002, 19:11
Originally posted by Glenn
My spacers arrived today, waiting for me when I arrived home from work - Thanks Bill!. Couldn't wait, got them straight on there. The car looks a lot more squat and purposeful now, even on standard wheels/suspension.
Took it out for a quick road-test and there's a noticeable improvement in it's road manners - doesn't feel as fidgety over rough surfaces as it previously did. Hard to describe but the car just feels more 'solid' like my old Corrado. It's not perfect, it still pogos when hitting bumps/undulations at speed as if the dampers can't control the spring oscillations but the cornering stability has improved.
Overall, very pleased - thanks again Bill.
Glad they arrived Ok...
One set have'nt got to their destination yet..! f#king carriers...
10 days and counting. Grrrrr.
The "boing" is the damper combo. My PSS9's on fully soft don't do this thankfully.
Glad you like em.. They worked for me :D
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
27-03-2002, 22:11
One set of the original purchase is left.
The carriers "found it" the lost package that is.
1 x set of +20mm spacers/side inc radius wheel bolts.
regards
Bill
utter_hatred
10-04-2002, 13:53
Bill, what about standard wheels with seat locking bolts?
I presume you have to change these either for the new supplied bolt or some (unknown) new locking bolts?
Any ideas for new locking bolts?
Oh, and does this place any extra stress on draft shafts etc.
Would dearly love to fic that fidgety arse!:p
ibizacupra
11-04-2002, 14:12
Originally posted by utter_hatred
Bill, what about standard wheels with seat locking bolts?
I presume you have to change these either for the new supplied bolt or some (unknown) new locking bolts?
Any ideas for new locking bolts?
Oh, and does this place any extra stress on draft shafts etc.
Would dearly love to fic that fidgety arse!:p
The bolts that we supply are 50mm long radius seat ones, non-locking. The spacers are for the rear wheels only on stock rims ideally (6x16 size) - stress on drive shaft is not an issue being they are for rear wheels only.
The extra bearing load is negligable IMHO. Time will tell ultimately of course as with most things, but I don't think we will see any early failures or higher wear rates on our cars due to the extra rear track width. Additional stability of handling is well worth the small potential of higher bearing wear IMHO.
If you want to source locking bolts for the rear wheels you would need to find 50mm long radius seat bolts.
regards
Bill
Hi Bill,
if things work out ok it looks like I could be buying John Cullens immaculately converted Ibiza 20VT.
I think John has used his original rear beam on this conversion ?.
Is the rear track on the 97' car the same as the 20VT car i.e. -35 mm ?.
ibizacupra
11-04-2002, 16:19
Originally posted by Robbo
Hi Bill,
if things work out ok it looks like I could be buying John Cullens immaculately converted Ibiza 20VT.
I think John has used his original rear beam on this conversion ?.
Is the rear track on the 97' car the same as the 20VT car i.e. -35 mm ?.
I think Johns rear end conversion was limited to the rear hubs,disks,calipers from the 20VT, utilising the same rear beam.
(I bought the rear disks and hubs off his old one for my Scirocco project :D) - Small world is'nt it?
I do not know the exact width of the 97 car, but they do look very similar in the rear end width and rear wing space department.
If you do encounter a problem (which I doubt on 6x16 wheels) then you would be welcome to return them.
regards
Bill
Bill,
Do you have any spacer kits (inc bolts) left? What about long locking nuts?
I have a 2002 Ibiza Cupra with stock 16" wheels and tyres.
Regards
Rich
ibizacupra
12-04-2002, 22:41
Originally posted by Digby
Bill,
Do you have any spacer kits (inc bolts) left? What about long locking nuts?
I have a 2002 Ibiza Cupra with stock 16" wheels and tyres.
Regards
Rich
i do yes.
Non locking bolts only included in the kit though.
regards
Bill
Ok Bill,
I'd like to buy a set. whats the next step?
Rich
ibizacupra
13-04-2002, 09:40
Originally posted by Digby
Ok Bill,
I'd like to buy a set. whats the next step?
Rich
Ok.
Send a cheque payable to "Badger5 Ltd" for £79.10, along with your address, name etc... OR
give me a call and I can do a card purchase for you, Switch, VISA, M'CARD etc..
I'll PM you some details.
regards
Bill
Shock_Xe
13-04-2002, 10:52
Dont wanna sound thick as sh*t but what benefits do wheel spacers have??? what they do?????? Any draw backs?
Cheers Bill,
The cheques in the post .
regards
Rich
Cuprasport2000
13-04-2002, 13:06
Anyone found 50mm locking bolts yet?
Shock_Xe
13-04-2002, 13:08
ahhh, i see so it imrpoves handling!! However wont this give the car speed wobble??? when the car is at higher speeds wont this make the rear unstable??? also is this the same for the front or spacers just rear only?
Cuprasport2000
13-04-2002, 13:12
Only required on the rear wheels, Shock_XE. If you look at a 20VT Beeza you will see the rear wheels are deep in the arches but the front wheels are positioned fine. Spacers push the rear wheels out a bit to give it an agressive stance and to aid in stability in corners a bit.
Shock_Xe
13-04-2002, 13:31
ok. What about stability at speed?
Cuprasport2000
13-04-2002, 13:44
There is no difference. The wheels are running slightly further apart that is all. The weight of the vehicle is supported on the locator collar of the wheel spacer and the wheel nuts pull the rear surface of the rim onto the spacer which in turn is pulled against the hub. There is a little more stress on the wheel bolts because of the extra length but nothing diar. As these spacers are machined on a CNC lathe they will be perfectly flat and this means there won't be any wobble or stability problems at low or high speed.
Shock_Xe
13-04-2002, 14:32
cool. Last question what is the maximum tyre/wheel width you can have with these spacers b4 it start rubing the arch???
Bill Sorry,
Major F@#kup I'm a complete dickhead! Forgot to include cheque in letter. I've sent a 2nd letter with cheque..
Sorry Rich
ibizacupra
14-04-2002, 18:19
Originally posted by Digby
Bill Sorry,
Major F@#kup I'm a complete dickhead! Forgot to include cheque in letter. I've sent a 2nd letter with cheque..
Sorry Rich
LOL you sound like me ! :D
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
14-04-2002, 18:22
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
cool. Last question what is the maximum tyre/wheel width you can have with these spacers b4 it start rubing the arch???
20mm spacers per side max wheel size 6"
15mm spacers per side max wheel size 7" - this is what I am running now - lowered -40mm on PSS9's for info.
Tyre size 205-45-16's.
Wheels ET38 offset, same as factory wheels.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
14-04-2002, 19:28
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
ahhh, i see so it imrpoves handling!! However wont this give the car speed wobble??? when the car is at higher speeds wont this make the rear unstable??? also is this the same for the front or spacers just rear only?
Ibiza rear track on 20VT is 35mm narrowe than the front.
Spacers square up this measurement and add some stability to the handling.
Spacers are not required and not advised for the front.
Bill
ibizacupra
15-04-2002, 19:48
I have temporarily run out of the spacers again.
More on order, now come direct from Germany ! :D:D
Should be back in stock by the end of this week/beginning of next.
regards
Bill
Surfer_D
16-04-2002, 08:19
I'm planing to lower my car without changing the dampers. Only springs. Will it rubb the metal above if I use spacers or no!
Since we're talking about lowering, how much should I lower my car without changing the dampers. 3cm or more. I mean I don't want the wheels to rub when I drive through some gaps on the road.
ibizacupra
16-04-2002, 08:48
Originally posted by Surfer_D
I'm planing to lower my car without changing the dampers. Only springs. Will it rubb the metal above if I use spacers or no!
Since we're talking about lowering, how much should I lower my car without changing the dampers. 3cm or more. I mean I don't want the wheels to rub when I drive through some gaps on the road.
It depends on how wide your wheels are and what offset they are.
With factory 6x16 wheels ET38 offset, the +20mm spacers per side work and fit well, even when lowered 40mm.
The wheels do not poke outside of the wheel arches - LOL - they are not Carlos Fandango type spacers. :D
regards
Bill
Surfer_D
16-04-2002, 09:35
Does Eibach make springs that loweres beeza 2002 for 40mm.
Whic one do you recommend.
I think eibach has only 30 and 50mm. Not sure though.
So I should lower it for 40mm you think.
ibizacupra
16-04-2002, 11:33
Originally posted by Surfer_D
Does Eibach make springs that loweres beeza 2002 for 40mm.
Whic one do you recommend.
I think eibach has only 30 and 50mm. Not sure though.
So I should lower it for 40mm you think.
This is a very much a personal choice thing.
Whatever suits you my man.
Bill
LEO LION R
16-04-2002, 13:31
Nice but very dim question - please forgive me.
Why would i need spacers for my (almost got it now) Leon Cupra? I was planning on 18"alloys - do they not fit normally?
Please answer in dim witted terms, and not too much techi stuff if possible. ;-)
carlos fandango wasn't he off the hamlet addd bill?with the w i d e arch ford anglia? LOL:cheers:
ibizacupra
16-04-2002, 19:31
Originally posted by Digby
Cheers Bill,
The cheques in the post .
regards
Rich
Just to say the letters arrived as you said it would.
Will wait for the cheque to follow :p
:) :) :)
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
16-04-2002, 19:33
Originally posted by LEO LION R
Nice but very dim question - please forgive me.
Why would i need spacers for my (almost got it now) Leon Cupra? I was planning on 18"alloys - do they not fit normally?
Please answer in dim witted terms, and not too much techi stuff if possible. ;-)
In a word.. You don't.
Leon is fine as it is, especially as you are fitting larger wheels anyhow. Ibiza suffers a narrow rear track, and hence benefits from the wider rear.
I tried to amend the Leon off the original post header but I could'nt. It should read Ibiza only now though.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
16-04-2002, 19:34
Originally posted by jason
wasn't he off the hamlet addd bill?with the w i d e arch ford anglia? LOL:cheers:
LOL
Thats the one!
Someone as old as me???? :p
regards
Bill
Hope my check has finaly got to you Bill.
Sorry for any mixup earlier. Have the new spacers arrived from Germany?
Rich
someone as old as me??? nah bill, i em ,remember me dad mentioning it thats all:D
just remembered bill,cigar adds now banned how many years ago was that?allthat smoke cascading from out of holes somewhere:confused:
ibizacupra
21-04-2002, 18:36
Originally posted by Digby
Hope my check has finaly got to you Bill.
Sorry for any mixup earlier. Have the new spacers arrived from Germany?
Rich
Cheques arrived safe and well. ;)
Spacers due to me early next week. - I stocked out again in between your 1st letter arrived. - Popular things.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
21-04-2002, 18:37
Originally posted by jason
just remembered bill,cigar adds now banned how many years ago was that?allthat smoke cascading from out of holes somewhere:confused:
Wedged in a gateway from memory LOL.
Too many years ago for me to remember!
regards
Bill
utter_hatred
27-04-2002, 20:20
A BIG thankyou to Bill.
Spacers & bolts arrived promptly so I was able to fit the morning I went off on hols to Cornwall...
What a difference!
Hooling round lovely back roads near Lands End in the sun with no traffic, no police & no speed cameras. Marvelous!!!
Now, what difference did the spacers make...
Ive just got back in after 7 hours driving on A & B roads back home from Cornwall in a 97 cupra sport with stock suspension & rims.
Any driving at 7 tenths or above in the twisties felt much more solid, sorted & fun.
Prior to this, our lumpy, pot-holed, camber-twisting, patched & tarmac miss-matched roads have really tested & sometimes bested the rock-hard stock suspension on my Beeza.
But todays driving was the best fun Ive had in ages!
Previously mid-corner bumps have caused my Beezas rear end to twitch & skitter like the dodgy, cart-spring live axle on my old Triumph Spitfire!
However, with these spacers on the car felt really planted & safe letting me press on and break late into corners without any fears of meeting the hedgerow backwards!
(and believe me after £2k of repair work in Jan I know what that feels like!)
ITS A MIRACLE!
Since fitting the spacers the mysterious squeaking noise from behind the drivers seat has disappeared!
Sorry about the essay but Im really buzzin` after that drive!
(or was it the 3 cans of red bull & 2 cokes?)
Easy to fit. I mean REALLY easy & well worth the money.
Bill, is all H&R kit that well made coz the spacers themselves are like a work of art! Fantastic machining - its a shame they`re buried in the muck behind my wheels.
Anyway, after that journey I`d really like to improve the suspension. Looking for something a bit more compliant than the stock Cupra. I mean its all very well on a track or new motorway tarmac but who the Hell gets to drive on that all the time?
My usual journey to work makes me fillings rattle!
Any ideas guys?
Im off for a beer.
Cheers:devil:
utter_hatred
27-04-2002, 20:22
I forgot to say they look the biz as well.
Just needs a bloody good wash.
Arse
:p
ibizacupra
28-04-2002, 16:47
Originally posted by utter_hatred
I forgot to say they look the biz as well.
Just needs a bloody good wash.
Arse
:p
Thanks for the kind words etc.. :)
H&R make quality kit..
As other peeps have posted, you can buy cheaper spacers but you do get what you pay for. I will stick with quality products that I personally believe in and have tested.
For a simple mod it is verging on remarkable the improvements it makes to the stock ibiza cupra... now why Seat did'nt do it is beyond me.
regards
Bill
PS. Have 4 more sets in stock :D
AustralianIbizaOwner
29-04-2002, 10:09
Hey Bill,
Paul from Aus here, as per my previous email to you, can you put a set of spacers aside for me. I will fax you payment/delivery details on Thursday. Have heard nothing but good reports, so count me in!
PS. Have 4 more sets in stock
Can I put my name on a set Bill? I assume they will be ok on my 8v with stock 15s (I haven't had time to read the whole thread). What do I do next?
How long will it take for them to be delivered?
Cheers,
Steve
firstborn
29-04-2002, 11:11
A lot of this thread refers to the 20VT is the situation the same for the '99 Cupra?
Mines been lowered 40mm by the previous owner and feels fidgety around bumpy corners ala go-kart'ish (if that makes sense). Looking at it the rear wheels do look well inside the wheel arches.
Would spacers cause the tyres to hit the arch over sharp bumps?
Would these spacers improve things as seen by the others who have had them fitted.
If the answers the the above are 'yes','no', 'yes' - then put me down for a set please Bill.
Cheers
ibizacupra
30-04-2002, 09:42
Originally posted by firstborn
A lot of this thread refers to the 20VT is the situation the same for the '99 Cupra?
Mines been lowered 40mm by the previous owner and feels fidgety around bumpy corners ala go-kart'ish (if that makes sense). Looking at it the rear wheels do look well inside the wheel arches.
Would spacers cause the tyres to hit the arch over sharp bumps?
Would these spacers improve things as seen by the others who have had them fitted.
If the answers the the above are 'yes','no', 'yes' - then put me down for a set please Bill.
Cheers
Depending on the wheel and tyre combo fitted:-
If 6x16 ET38 with 195-45 tyres, then fine on all counts.
My own 20VT Ibiza run 7x16 rims and 205-45 rubber but wears 15mm spacers, as 20mm are too much for the extra rim width combinde with my -40mm ride height.
Bill
ibizacupra
30-04-2002, 09:44
Originally posted by Steve
Can I put my name on a set Bill? I assume they will be ok on my 8v with stock 15s (I haven't had time to read the whole thread). What do I do next?
How long will it take for them to be delivered?
Cheers,
Steve
Spacers in stock, bolts on their way to me at the moment.
Delivery late this week, pending payment of course :p
regards
Bill
Ok cool. Is £79.10 still the right price?
Where do I send the cheque?
Cheers,
Steve
firstborn
30-04-2002, 11:51
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Depending on the wheel and tyre combo fitted:-
If 6x16 ET38 with 195-45 tyres, then fine on all counts.
My own 20VT Ibiza run 7x16 rims and 205-45 rubber but wears 15mm spacers, as 20mm are too much for the extra rim width combinde with my -40mm ride height.
Bill
Ok, tyres are 195/45/16 on Standard Seat 16" wheels. Forgive my ignorance but not sure what the ET38 bit means.
If the above agrees with what you said would be fine then I'll have a cheque in the post this evening for spacers and bolts.
ibizacupra
30-04-2002, 13:30
Originally posted by firstborn
Ok, tyres are 195/45/16 on Standard Seat 16" wheels. Forgive my ignorance but not sure what the ET38 bit means.
If the above agrees with what you said would be fine then I'll have a cheque in the post this evening for spacers and bolts.
Your wheel tyre combo sounds spot on for being OK with +20mm spacers.
ET38 is the offset, which as standard is 38mm.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
30-04-2002, 13:32
Originally posted by Steve
Ok cool. Is £79.10 still the right price?
Where do I send the cheque?
Cheers,
Steve
Steve
address for ordering below:-
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/2001/ordering.html
Follow the link.
Price is correct yes at £79.10 all in.
regards
Bill
Thanks. I'll post the cheque tonight.
Steve