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I fitted an AEM CAI kit at the weekend, here's a couple of pics:
http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/turbo/cai01.jpg
http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/turbo/cai02.jpg
Took about 2 hours to fit, quite alot of work but seems worth it in the end. Went for a test drive, the DV sounds awesome as does the intake noise, lots of hissing and wooshing, much more audible than before, especially outside the car - sounds just like a blow-off valve now. AEM doesn't use these wee pump filters but plumbs back into the intake - got mine for £171 delivered from Chris at www.scotmods.co.uk
2 hours, geee, how much work is involved, i mean what do you have to remove to get it on?
It does look very nice in there.
How much of a difference does it make to the power delivery and engine response?
You going to make a sound recording for us at one point?
You have to remove the battery and the plastic air intake surrounding the headlight (which is a real PITA!), took me about 20 mins just to do that! Obviously your previous intake system has to be removed too, you also need to gain access to behind the wheel arch liner to fit the filter.
The beauty of this system is that the filter is outside the engine bay and only ever gets cold air, the filter is quite well protected by the bumper and wheel arch liner. Response and noise is fantastic, you can hear the induction, turbo spool and DV much louder - but not too intrusive really.
Short video clip will be done this week.
very bling;) what type of filter is on the end of it?
Rob, if you get chance can you take a picture from the front, through the grill (grill removed if poss)? I'm wondering if there's room in that area on the LCR, what with the second intercooler...
Nope, you can't fit these to an LCR with twin side intercoolers, no room. Single side or front-mounted only I'm afraid.
Lightly oiled K&N cone filter on the end of the intake. Guys in the US have run them for 10k+ miles with no CEL's so must be ok for the MAF.
http://www.aempower.com/productSubCatImages/1_2_f.jpg
Originally posted by RobDon
Nope, you can't fit these to an LCR with twin side intercoolers, no room. Single side or front-mounted only I'm afraid.
Lightly oiled K&N cone filter on the end of the intake. Guys in the US have run them for 10k+ miles with no CEL's so must be ok for the MAF.
http://www.aempower.com/productSubCatImages/1_2_f.jpg
Hmmm, perhaps I could mount it upside down, so it sticks out of the bonnet a la Land Rover?
Perhaps not.
I'll get me coat.
Bugger!!!
Didn't think that these wouldn't work on a dual intercooler design. Hmmph!!
Doesn't the LCR have a cold air intake behind the bumper anyway though? Where does that fit?
Hmm must seek alternative option
Speak to Badger5 - CAI kits coming soon for the R models!!!
"LAN hopefully coming soon for Leon, Leon-R & Ibiza 20VT models +0ther 20VT applications. There will shortly be a LAN available for the Ibiza 20VT and Ibiza-R models, as well as Leon-R, Leon, Golf IV, Octavia 20VT, vRS..... What should look very similar to ABD's type LAN, and featuring Green Cotton Gauze Filters which have proven to be MAF friendly over the years. Prices TBA, but Ibiza is a car which currently does not have an available LAN/CAI kit. Watch this space (Badger5 section for latest news when available)"
Regards, Bill.
ABD's name for CAI - cold air intake!
Bloody 'ell, Bills next mod is to fit a complete Local Area Network to his car!!! Whatever next? ;) :p
Ben
LEO LION R
23-12-2003, 21:32
Be very interesting to see what they come up with for the LCR, as i've looked at this for a while and doing my own CAI positive feed because i dont see any space at all for a filter in the lower area of the car.
Where's that sound file ? ;)
:cheers:
ibizacupra
24-12-2003, 22:04
Originally posted by jerry
LAN :confused:
LAN is what ABD call there thing.... I'll stick to calling it a CAI
Looks good. Let us know if there are any problem with water ingress.
Unless I drive very slowly through an 8 inch + deep puddle there won't be any water ingress! The front bumper and undertray protect the filter from almost all water spray. Had it on a week now and no problems, no engine check lights etc. just lots of intake noise and whooshing! ;) The AEM filter is quite dry, it is a K&N but is not oily at all, guys in the US have had these on for 5-10,000+ miles with no issues at all. I've been out in the rain twice so far with no problems.
Shock_Xe
28-12-2003, 16:54
i wonder if i could get one to fit cause i have the Front mount IC so loads of room without smic there! Any ideas?
out of interest how hot does it get under the bonnet. that metal going to heat up nicely
I can't see it heating up much if it disappears down the side of the battery to outside the engine bay, sucking in cold air? I'll feel it after a run and let you know!
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
i wonder if i could get one to fit cause i have the Front mount IC so loads of room without smic there! Any ideas?
Don't see why not!!! Speak to Bill @ Badger5 as he is developing CAI's for Ibiza's.
Shock_Xe
28-12-2003, 17:48
Bill??????? What ya think?????????
P.s. Also saw a vid from here of a car with a cai kit onit think it was a leon thread anyideas where it was anyone?
Well there's this one (Forge DV and CAI on Golf Mk4 1.8T)
CAI sweet sounds! (http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/vids/forgedv.wmv)
Shock_Xe
28-12-2003, 18:14
Originally posted by RobDon
Well there's this one (Forge DV and CAI on Golf Mk4 1.8T)
CAI sweet sounds! (http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/vids/forgedv.wmv)
thats it ta
CupraR-Rog
28-12-2003, 19:08
I'd like to see these CAI's for the LCR...
Be interesting to see what power differences the AEM kit has against the Dynatwist, if any!!
Speaking from having both, I have to say my car feels more responsive and quicker than with the Dynatwist, dunno if there is more power but it feels like it - sounds WAY better though!
OK here are some short vids, it's really hard to record what you hear in the car - in real life it is much louder (first clip is going under a bridge - echo!).
clip one (http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/vids/cai00.WMV)
clip two (http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/vids/cai04.WMV)
clip three (http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/vids/cai05.WMV)
They are all about 1Mb each. I'll keep trying for a good sound match.
CupraR-Rog
28-12-2003, 20:36
Originally posted by RobDon
Speaking from having both, I have to say my car feels more responsive and quicker than with the Dynatwist, dunno if there is more power but it feels like it - sounds WAY better though!
The sound's probably worth it alone!!!
Have you reversed your DV by any chance? Sounds similar to my DV noise, except a LOT louder!!!
Reversed Forge 007P yes. Trust me, with the CAI the DV is at least twice as loud! Anytime I pass by lads on the street and change gear, they ALWAYS turn round now!!! :D
Shock_Xe
28-12-2003, 20:53
vids dont work :(
Shock_Xe
28-12-2003, 21:18
Originally posted by RobDon
Yes they do! :D
yes they do! ;)
ANDY BLUNT
29-12-2003, 11:30
AndySounds a bit like mine doesn,t it Mike ,looks great bought my dynatwist too early i think:D :cheers:
Bill, are you fitting one of these to your Ibiza?
I'm just trying to work out which induction kit would be best to use with the IHI.
Cheers
Ben
For me personally, I've gone from panel filter to Dynatwist to CAI and each time I've felt a progression in power and throttle response - the CAI sounds the best by a long way too!!! ;)
ibizacupra
30-12-2003, 14:24
Originally posted by BenS1
Bill, are you fitting one of these to your Ibiza?
I'm just trying to work out which induction kit would be best to use with the IHI.
Cheers
Ben
Large arsed Green Cone on mine, with Jabba's heatshield arrangement (albeit modded to allow my larger filter)
When the CAI pipes are ready to try I may give it a go....with suitably sized filter on the end.
I still want a reasonably quiet car tho (surprisingly) :)
The CAI is quiet when you're just pottering around on light throttle - it's only when you open it up Darth Vadar appears under your bonnet! :D
CupraR-Rog
30-12-2003, 17:38
Originally posted by RobDon
The CAI is quiet when you're just pottering around on light throttle - it's only when you open it up Darth Vadar appears under your bonnet! :D
Ahhh, noisy when you want it to be then!! Excellent!!
Just need a version for the LCR...
Trouble is, if I get a noisier induction, I'll want a noisier exhaust as well!!
ANDY BLUNT
30-12-2003, 22:17
Arn't the neons loud enough Rog :p :cheers: Andy.
Shock_Xe
30-12-2003, 22:32
any ideas where i could get something like this for the ibiza? I have no side mount intercooler!
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Large arsed Green Cone on mine, with Jabba's heatshield arrangement (albeit modded to allow my larger filter)
When the CAI pipes are ready to try I may give it a go....with suitably sized filter on the end.
I still want a reasonably quiet car tho (surprisingly) :)
I was just wondering what would be best, a big induction kit like yours or the CAI pipe + filter. At a guess I'd say that you can't fit a very big filter onto the end of the CAI due to space limitations?
Also, do the CAI pipes create any extra restriction on airflow on high airflow applications (IHI)? ie. is the min pipe diameter at any point smaller than the pipe diameter at the actual intake?
Cheers
Ben
CupraR-Rog
30-12-2003, 22:57
Originally posted by BenS1
I was just wondering what would be best, a big induction kit like yours or the CAI pipe + filter. At a guess I'd say that you can't fit a very big filter onto the end of the CAI due to space limitations?
Also, do the CAI pipes create any extra restriction on airflow on high airflow applications (IHI)? ie. is the min pipe diameter at any point smaller than the pipe diameter at the actual intake?
Cheers
Ben
Looking at the CAI versus the Dynatwist, I would have thought the CAI would be less restrictive due to the decreased number of bends, and the bends being there being of a lesser angle than those of the Dynatwist...
Back when I was looking at buying a Celica, I was looking into all the performance modifications owners were doing to their cars, and CAI's pipes & flters were the favoured type of air intake there, although with a couple of different versions using different types of filter - some the smaller cone filter, others the HUGE foam type ones...
ibizacupra
31-12-2003, 09:24
Originally posted by BenS1
I was just wondering what would be best, a big induction kit like yours or the CAI pipe + filter. At a guess I'd say that you can't fit a very big filter onto the end of the CAI due to space limitations?
Also, do the CAI pipes create any extra restriction on airflow on high airflow applications (IHI)? ie. is the min pipe diameter at any point smaller than the pipe diameter at the actual intake?
Cheers
Ben
The filter I run is fine for the power I run.... as has been seen many times on the dyno...
I doubt on the IHI that there will be any airflow increases/decreases from what I run currently to a CAI pipe arrangement. Shorter intake run as is, compared to CAI pipe which is of same diameter.
On regular chipped Ibiza's, then a 3" tube CAI with minimal bends and smooth bends, and adequate sized filter on the end should work well, but not as well as Golf IV/Leon/Octavia. Reason being those cars have means of forward facing their induction through their grills. Ibiza does not have this abiity, short of creating your own holes. :p Side mount intercooler also sits on this side on Ibiza, and not on Golf or Leon or Octavia. They are easier applications than the ickle ibiza. It will be worked on however, and we will have to await the results. The CAI pipe will be roarty compared to the more subtle (but still noiser than stock) Dynatwist. Will there be significant gains? :dunno: Doubt it, other than Bling factor and noise. :D
regards
bill
CupraR-Rog
31-12-2003, 20:40
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Will there be significant gains? :dunno: Doubt it, other than Bling factor and noise. :D
regards
bill
Bling Factor & noise will be worth it for me, once you sort one for the LCR!! :D
Significant gains over the Stock intake though, right? About the same as the Dynatwist at least?? Can't turn into a Boy Racer, with all show and no go now, can I?? :p
I can't speak for the Ibiza and R models, but I have noticed a decent improvement over the Dynatwist on my car - so it's not all show with no improvement. So you get bling, noise and more power - what more could you ask for!!! :D
Shock_Xe
01-01-2004, 14:38
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
any ideas where i could get something like this for the ibiza? I have no side mount intercooler!
??
here (http://www.seatcupra.net/~mark/new/gtit.htm) is a home made one.
just buy the filter you want & get the pipes made up to suit your needs
Mark
Shock_Xe
01-01-2004, 15:16
looks impressive! Thanks for that, so i assume there is no restrictions there i.e. certain diamater of pipe/length??
i was told that it affected emissions with the length of the inlet from filter to throttle plate (can't see why, but it made a difference on my ibiza)
some lack of torque? who knows.
I would stick with 3" 73mm pipe as that's std powerfl*w sizes & also samco do 73mm pipes.
M
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
looks impressive! Thanks for that, so i assume there is no restrictions there i.e. certain diamater of pipe/length??
It does all matter yes, I think the AEM, ABD ones are all 3" all the way from the MAF to the filter - certainly no loss of torque, more if anything!
CupraR-Rog
01-01-2004, 19:39
Originally posted by RobDon
I can't speak for the Ibiza and R models, but I have noticed a decent improvement over the Dynatwist on my car - so it's not all show with no improvement. So you get bling, noise and more power - what more could you ask for!!! :D
One that fits the LCR...
I Havent got an Induction Kit yet for my Ibiza But i fancy one of these CAI kits When do you reckon they'll be available if at all?
Mucho Wanto!!
:cheers:
I'd keep asking Bill for updates, nobody makes them for the Ibiza so he's your only hope!
What about something like this for the R models, would sit in front of the rad:
http://us.st7.yimg.com/store2.yimg.com/I/streetbeatcustoms_1773_227630694
Found it here:
http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/airinsys2.html
Food for thought Bill?
CupraR-Rog
02-01-2004, 17:21
Originally posted by RobDon
What about something like this for the R models, would sit in front of the rad:
http://us.st7.yimg.com/store2.yimg.com/I/streetbeatcustoms_1773_227630694
Found it here:
http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/airinsys2.html
Food for thought Bill?
I like!! :D
But Bill would be putting a Green filter in there... could be an interesting colour combo!!
What do you recon Bill, a Green panel filter?? (do those flow as well as a cone filter???)
ibizacupra
03-01-2004, 10:32
Originally posted by CupraR-Rog
I like!! :D
But Bill would be putting a Green filter in there... could be an interesting colour combo!!
What do you recon Bill, a Green panel filter?? (do those flow as well as a cone filter???)
The Leon-R will be tricky no doubt getting forward non engine bay air feed. ie Cold.
Panel if large enough would be OK, but it would need to be no less than OE size. If from me it would be Green yea? :D
Interesting thought. Need a LCR to play with.
Ibiza one is high priority also as there is'nt a product available at all. There are more compromises on Ibiza fitment compared to Leon/Golf. Smaller and tighter packaging...
I'll post when there's something closer to show.
regards
bill
CupraR-Rog
03-01-2004, 16:24
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Need a LCR to play with.
:D :D :D
And I'm not that far away from you!! :D