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Well, after seeing the results from the RR day (well done Bill) I am still at a loss as to which chip to have fitted.....does anybody else have any idea at all now that the RR day is over?
Please let me know??
Si
From what i can work out they all seem to do pretty much the same job!, my upsolute chip seemed to produce the most torque out of all the chips, but the best Bhp seemed to be the Jabbasport chip, so it comes down to whether you want raw rag the arse off your car outright power (Jabbasport) or relaxed power that means you dont have to drop a cog to power away! (upsolute),
It seems to be a choice between these two on value for money, the other chips seem to offer a mix of the two chips but cost more than twice as much !!!:eek: ,
Its up to you to choose!!
Have any of the figures been posted yet?
Yup, they are on another thread, quite a few plots been posted there
ibizacupra
21-01-2002, 22:07
Originally posted by DaveP
Have any of the figures been posted yet?
LOL
Where have you been?????
A Raging thread right next door :D
>>> http://www.seatcars.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=2781
regards
Bill
:D
Gadge20vt
21-01-2002, 23:42
Si,
personally I would go for the APR chip.
Ever since I started using this site, everybody had and recommended the Oettinger chip. Now thought there seems to be some problems with both the chip and the help to solve the problems that it is causing.
APR seem to offer a more helpful service. As a result of that and the fact that Star Performance, is the closest to me has made me decide to go for the APR chip.
All I need to do know is uprate the brakes and then the chip will be on the cards.
;)
Originally posted by Gadge20vt
Si,
personally I would go for the APR chip.
Ever since I started using this site, everybody had and recommended the Oettinger chip. Now thought there seems to be some problems with both the chip and the help to solve the problems that it is causing.
APR seem to offer a more helpful service. As a result of that and the fact that Star Performance, is the closest to me has made me decide to go for the APR chip.
I'd second that Si. Assuming I ever have any spare money to get my chip sorted I was looking at the Oettinger one only because of the backup and warranty. Since people have posted their experiences here with tales of requests for support from the tuner that supplied the chip being ignored or palmed off and it's
put me right off.
After speaking with the guys from APR on Saturday I was well impressed. They knew their stuff and were damn helpful answering questions that they'd probably heard countless times
without looking bored! ;)
Saul borrowed the demo Ibiza and we went out for a quick spin. The power delivery is much more smoother than the Oettinger chip IMO. It's still fast but it's nice and progressive.
Jabbasport did look like they had a potential good product but it's still being developed I think and I don't want to be the first to try it. As for AMD/Upsolute etc I've had no experience of them so I can't comment.
Hope that helps.
Andy
Originally posted by djawol
Jabbasport did look like they had a potential good product but it's still being developed I think and I don't want to be the first to try it. As for AMD/Upsolute etc I've had no experience of them so I can't comment.
Hope that helps.
Andy
Jabbasport have been doing VAG units for a long time, They seem very knowledgable on the 1.8T engine. They told me they have a few customers with car producing 400BHP+ and usuing them regularly - awsome!!. I believe they set the car up to suit your taste aswell. I'm thinking of going up there to have a chat and a look, might be worth coming to the RR session that Bill's organising to get a better opinion on all the cars.
My Upsolute conversions OK but I haven't yet got a descent second set of RR results, hoped to get them last Sat 19th. Runs well on 95RON though.
Forgot to say give Jabba a ring 01733 211779, very nice people!
Originally posted by whelme
Jabbasport have been doing VAG units for a long time, They seem very knowledgable on the 1.8T engine.
I didn't mean to come across in my post above as "Jabbasport don't know what they're doing" I know they've got a respected history. I just felt the Ibiza was a new idea. Especially with the chargecooler etc. I'm sure it's a great product I just didn't want to be the first.
Cheers
Andy
Kev Hall
22-01-2002, 11:03
I went to APR with Saul when his 20vt was chipped, drove the demo and felt the b4 and after in sauls car... f***ing amazing.
If all the chipped cars feel similar to drive then unless you can get the same options on the others then the apr with cruise control would be my choice.
Why, well if tinkered with or the cars power cuts out (in event of an accident) it will default and lock into standard mode, you can get out of it with your code but the insurance company need not know ( obviously I being as honest as I am would tell them anyway ). On top of this get the valet mode as well, and whenever it has to be left with a garage you can lock it into this mode... limited it to 4500rpm and disabling to turbo.
IMHO I think it is quality. ;)
But surely if you did get into a crash and the insurance company got involved and saw a leon with cruise control, if they know about the different chips, the first thing they are going to do is look in the ecu to see if it is chipped?, cos cruise seems to mainly be fitted with the apr chip,
and with the Upsolute chip, if you do tinker and get yourself into limp mode, all you have to do it would seem is to just turn the engine off and lock the doors then restart as normal and it is back to full power !!, i have fiddled with a bleed valve and my upsolute chip and when i pushed it too high this is all i did !!, and i have never had the power disappear on my car whilst driving anyway
Kev Hall
22-01-2002, 12:18
You can have cruise control fitted on it's own, if the ins. company have been told about that and the chip is locked in the standard mode....
I'm not sure about the in's and out's, the options available sound very good. I'm not in a position to get one anyway only have an 8v ibiza, but even so I was very impressed with Mark and Richard at APR, they would be able to tell you all about it if you were interested!
Not for me!!, i have got an Upsolute chip and am very happy with it!, especially as it only cost £265 inc RR and Vat !!
turbo northener
22-01-2002, 13:48
quote:
"I didn't mean to come across in my post above as "Jabbasport don't know what they're doing" I know they've got a respected history. I just felt the Ibiza was a new idea. Especially with the chargecooler etc. I'm sure it's a great product I just didn't want to be the first. "
the chargecooler is the only new part - the chip has been around for a while. i cannot fault either the chip or the service i received at jabbasport and for £330 including rolling road, plots, vat i think they have an excellant solution.
I discussed the chargecooler with Mike and he said that the Chargecooler was still in development - it had been through many hours of RR time and out on the actual road and he was only going to start selling it after all the testing was done.
He was also saying about an offer they are going to start doing whereby you get free remaps within 2 months of the initial chip if you make any mods - i.e. if you fit an exhaust a month later, simply go back and get it rempped to suit.
Originally posted by turbo northener
quote:
"I didn't mean to come across in my post above as "Jabbasport don't know what they're doing" I know they've got a respected history. I just felt the Ibiza was a new idea. Especially with the chargecooler etc. I'm sure it's a great product I just didn't want to be the first. "
the chargecooler is the only new part - the chip has been around for a while. i cannot fault either the chip or the service i received at jabbasport and for £330 including rolling road, plots, vat i think they have an excellant solution.
I discussed the chargecooler with Mike and he said that the Chargecooler was still in development - it had been through many hours of RR time and out on the actual road and he was only going to start selling it after all the testing was done.
He was also saying about an offer they are going to start doing whereby you get free remaps within 2 months of the initial chip if you make any mods - i.e. if you fit an exhaust a month later, simply go back and get it rempped to suit.
Can you post the plot on this forum? if not can you e-mail or fax me a copy out of interest.
ibizacupra
22-01-2002, 14:26
Originally posted by whelme
Can you post the plot on this forum? if not can you e-mail or fax me a copy out of interest.
http://www.badger-5.go-plus.net/images/x273eje-jabbasport-ibiza.jpg
Jabbasports Demo Ibiza on the PS RR on 19/1/02
regards
bill
Steve3961
22-01-2002, 18:52
Iam personally going for the Jabbasport chip.
I had a test drive in their Demo Ibiza and experienced first hand the effects of their chip and charge cooler. Very impressed!!!
They also had adjustable boost fitted to it which James tweaked until full power was being transfered to the tarmac. A very good idea if you ask me,
Means that you can adjust the boost to suit road conditions! Once again Very impressed.
On the roadtest i quizzed him on certain concerns i had all of which he answered to my satisfaction.
(Such as the holding back problem)
The charge cooler was to say the least amazing. He drove the car hard for around 15mins and pulled into a layby to show me the Cooler itself. Normally on a turbochaged car the inlet manifold and turbo hoses would be hot, These were as cool as if you had left the car overnight to cool down!
Its also worth knowing that their Ibiza still had the standard exhaust and Rec valve! So for them to out power the oetinger chips was impressive. (bearing in mind the Oetinger conversion has Modified Turbo pipes and Free flow exhaust as well)
As you may have guessed by know i was impressed by Jabbasport!:D :D :D
I will be getting the charge cooler as soon as its availible and my chip by them as well.
Wow, lots of decent replies and its left me as confused as ever!
Please could some one tell me the cost of:
A. Jabba Sport Chip
B. APR Chip
As these seem to have come into my mind now after Upsolute!
There is no way that I am now going near Oettinger thats a deffo!
Mosser, could you drop me an e-mail at si.*******@v21mail.co.uk and let me know how your chip has been going!
Ta everyone!
Si
Originally posted by CupraSi
Wow, lots of decent replies and its left me as confused as ever!
Please could some one tell me the cost of:
A. Jabba Sport Chip
B. APR Chip
As these seem to have come into my mind now after Upsolute!
There is no way that I am now going near Oettinger thats a deffo!
Mosser, could you drop me an e-mail at si.*******@v21mail.co.uk and let me know how your chip has been going!
Ta everyone!
Si
Jabbasport chip is £285 +vat and they adjust the parameters to suit your own car on the RR to get optimum results and how you want it.
http://www.jabbasport.com/
Apr chip is £595 +vat plus any other bit you want on top, other programs etc, tells you all on their website http://www.apreurope.com/
Upsolute chip is still good at £265 inc vat but I think Jabbasport seem to know what they're on about and for the extra£70 total cost might be a better bet as it's adjusted to suit your car and cheap to modify should you do any other changes to exhaust,cams etc.:D :D :D
Si,
I just emailed the address you put in your post above, but my emails to you get returned as undeliverable!!. do you have another email address?
Originally posted by ibizacupra
http://www.badger-5.go-plus.net/images/x273eje-jabbasport-ibiza.jpg
Jabbasports Demo Ibiza on the PS RR on 19/1/02
regards
bill
It would be interesting to compare the two.
But it isnt really a fair comparison Whelme, Jabbasport had the charge cooler fitted to their car, you either need to fit one to both cars, or test a non charge cooled car from jabbasport
Mosser
I understand what you're saying but I was wanting to see the curve shapes as well. It would also be interesting to compare my Upsolute curve with the non charge cooled Jabba car.
turbo northener
23-01-2002, 13:50
Originally posted by Mosser
But it isnt really a fair comparison Whelme, Jabbasport had the charge cooler fitted to their car, you either need to fit one to both cars, or test a non charge cooled car from jabbasport
i have a non-charge-cooled jabbasport chipped car that was done last week - i will post the plot as soon as i fix my scanner.
the program i finished up with gave me :
199bhp
163 @ wheels
222 lb/ft torque @ 3697rpm
135 mph @6680 rpm
my car only has the chip done, cheap petrol, 17" wheels, 10,000 miles.
the basic graph is as follows:
torque: from 2100rpm to 3200rpm increases to 215lb/ft, then increases slightly to 222lb/ft@ 3700rpm. it then falls to about 160lb/ft @ 6680 rpm.
the bhp increases to about 3700 rpm @165bhp, then climbs to 199bhp@6548 RPM
hopes this helps ??
basically the car is much quicker than before and uses less petrol when driven at the same speed as previously.
Blimey!!, you have got a good car there!!, those figures both the Bhp and the torque beat jabbasports demo car WITH the charge cooler !!!
turbo northener
23-01-2002, 14:09
Originally posted by Mosser
Blimey!!, you have got a good car there!!, those figures both the Bhp and the torque beat jabbasports demo car WITH the charge cooler !!!
this was done @ jabbasport on their road - he did one run - switched the engine off but left the fans blowing, made adjustments to the programme and then did another run.
there was probably 15 minutes between each run which prevented the heatsoak problem.
they have a specialist fan that blows directly into the intercooler which they claim simulates 65MPH wind speed (not sure if that is true).
we did see 210bhp on the first run, but the boost was cut back as it was overboosting and the cut-out came in. i am happy that we the end result will not be overstressing the turbo, although until i get the boost gauge fitted i can't remember what boost i had.
the chargesooled plot i was shown had 220bhp i think, but the main difference was how the torqe got to a slightly higher value than mine but then stayed there for much longer. that car also has a flowed turbo inlet and exhaust manifold.
Originally posted by turbo northener
i have a non-charge-cooled jabbasport chipped car that was done last week - i will post the plot as soon as i fix my scanner.
the program i finished up with gave me :
199bhp
163 @ wheels
222 lb/ft torque @ 3697rpm
135 mph @6680 rpm
my car only has the chip done, cheap petrol, 17" wheels, 10,000 miles.
the basic graph is as follows:
torque: from 2100rpm to 3200rpm increases to 215lb/ft, then increases slightly to 222lb/ft@ 3700rpm. it then falls to about 160lb/ft @ 6680 rpm.
the bhp increases to about 3700 rpm @165bhp, then climbs to 199bhp@6548 RPM
hopes this helps ??
basically the car is much quicker than before and uses less petrol when driven at the same speed as previously.
That's the info I wanted, cheers, it'll be interesting to see the graph if you can post it later.
I am going to Jabbasport soon anyway, they might be able to do something on mine.
Originally posted by Mosser
Blimey!!, you have got a good car there!!, those figures both the Bhp and the torque beat jabbasports demo car WITH the charge cooler !!!
Don't forget the RR day results were pretty crap on all cars:sick:
Indeed about as accurate as a blind darts player, all the results were silly cause the Powerstation seem to be used to running cars with front mounted intercoolers, rather than the side mounted ones on VW's
So their fan when they did turn it on was as cooling as a cup of hot lava. :D
Charge temps were so high that the tuned cars ECU's made the cars go safe so dropped boost, and power.
All the tuned cars were down, if they did run a high figure like a few did it was probably due to the bloke managing to do a quick run rather than pissing about 4-5 times before he actually run them.
Originally posted by ZBOYD
Indeed about as accurate as a blind darts player, all the results were silly cause the Powerstation seem to be used to running cars with front mounted intercoolers, rather than the side mounted ones on VW's
So their fan when they did turn it on was as cooling as a cup of hot lava. :D
Charge temps were so high that the tuned cars ECU's made the cars go safe so dropped boost, and power.
All the tuned cars were down, if they did run a high figure like a few did it was probably due to the bloke managing to do a quick run rather than pissing about 4-5 times before he actually run them.
Nice choice of words!! I bet you were top of the English class at school when the teacher asked for examples of similies.
Literature was my A subject :D
Mosser try simon.*******@seatdriversclub.co.uk that should work!
Cheers.
Si
OVNIYELLOW
30-01-2002, 11:58
Hi guys,
I'm also thinking of getting my motor chipped.
Was originally thinking of Upsolute as they seem to offer the best value.
I havn't been in the forum for a while so havn't heard of Jabbasport before today.
Where are jabbasport based? Do they only have one distributer or are they available accross the UK?
I know Upsolute are in Kent which is ferking miles away from me:(
turbo northener
30-01-2002, 13:24
[QUOTE]Originally posted by OVNIYELLOW
Hi guys,
I'm also thinking of getting my motor chipped.
Was originally thinking of Upsolute as they seem to offer the best value.
I havn't been in the forum for a while so havn't heard of Jabbasport before today.
Where are jabbasport based? Do they only have one distributer or are they available accross the UK?
I know Upsolute are in Kent which is ferking miles away from me:( [/QU
Sorry for the late reply - been away on business. The chip does make a dramatic affect, the car feels and is much quicker. I mainly notice on the motorway when behind someone doing say, 85MPH in the right hand lane and you want to be past - as soon as they pull over, press the accelerator and you just fly by. As I said earlier, you can also keep up with standard UK scooby turbos, which also means the majority of cars that you see are within reach.
I don't tend to fly around like a loony, but like a quick car for easy cruising and quick safe overtaking so that I can drive at my own pace - with the chip, the ibiza is definitely the answer to this. Much more fun when overtaking and much less need to change gear unless you are in a real hurry.
£330 well spent.- they are a company not a distributor / franchise based in peterborough www.jabbasport.com
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