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INA

20-08-2010, 00:11

Guys,
if you are having issues with your high flow manifolds I want to hear about them please.
Discuss.

Damoegan

20-08-2010, 00:17

I dont think that all the flanges are square to the OEM ones, Sam..

Pluss the "locking star" doesn't work. Nordlock washers are much better.

RichN

14-09-2010, 16:24

Needed grinding and I would like to hear what tool we're using to get access to those nuts.. It's impossible to fit a socket onto, a nightmare to fit a spanner onto and in one area I had to cut a nut down to size to fit..

brwmogazos

27-09-2010, 13:11

Hi guys, issam

well you know my case.

today i installed my second INA manifold Issam.

I removed the first one with the rattling noise as described here

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=266583

So today after just 1000 km with my first Ina manifold and more than 3 months waiting for the new mani to be delivered due to custom-postage problems we discovered that the manifold had 2 problems.

It has a crack in the turbo to mani flange (middle bolt towards the cylinder head) and it was also bent!!!
The mani leaked a lot due to the bend so the gasket produced this rattling noise. Both sides of the manifold were bent to arround 2 mm !!!

Enough with the talking though.

here are some mobile phone pics i just took...

Crack

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And a few pics of the manifolds flange measured in the lower side of the flange(near the turbo) in the middle (center of runners) and in the top of the flange(near the cars bonnet)

It can clearly be seen that the manifold is bent in both sides and its arround 2mm of gap compared to the straight ruler used...

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brwmogazos

27-09-2010, 13:12

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And the new manifold measured which has a clearance issue near the middle of the flange.

We decided to install it and since the issue is found near the middle most probably it will be ok hopefully.

We tightened the bolts in the middle first moving towards the sides.

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The pics have a very bad quality but i can take some better ones from a digi cam when i get back home in the next couple of days.

It can also be seen that some sanding is needed near the top side bolts near the runners as even a hex wrench bent for this purpose only doesnt fit well to tigthen the bolts. Therefore just a tiny bit of sanding is needed.

PS. I did not install the manifold on my own. I took my car as always to a specialised garage to get it fitted. They have fitted quite a few INA manifolds in the past and several BT manifolds in several cars so there is no installation error here...My 2 mates using the INA manifold also installed in the same garage have no issues so far.
We are all running identical setups with revo stage 2 software.
I personally did several cycles with the manifold without reaching high temps to not allow high thermal loads 'damage' the manifold.
Today i drove back to the parking from the garage without picking up any boost lol...i am taking it easy once again.

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The detail on these last pics is v bad and the shot angle is bad so you cant really see anything but i uploaded them anyways.

brwmogazos

27-09-2010, 13:12

heres a close up showing the gap in the middle of the brand new manifold

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So Issam i can send you an e mail with pics so that we can see what we can do with the manifold i just removed.

There is an issue here unfortunately. The flanges are not 100% flat, they seem to crack in the middle turbo hole near the cylinder head too.

So unfortunately i had to pay 2 times for an INA manifold, pay 3 times fitting costs (installation, second trouble shooting , and today extra installation cost for my second manifold)...which is very bad :( as i could have bought a custom header with the same amount. left without a car for a few months too :(.

I think by splicing the flange into pieces as is the original OEM manifold design would be better Issam?

(let me know what we can do with my first damaged manifold mate)

Thanks Issam.

csd_19

27-09-2010, 13:36

Locking star didn't work and the turbo bolts kept backing out, Nordlock washers appear to have solved this though.

Wrong length of bolts were supplied (although I think you have this sorted now Issam?)

Had to cut down and reshape a 12mm socket to fit onto the head nuts - need to recheck them though as it now sounds like I have a leak :(

ibizacupra

27-09-2010, 13:37

westallc

27-09-2010, 17:47

have to say these mannifolds are crap i fitted 2 of these and both ended up cracked with under 500miles on them shocking product

have to say sam dealt with the first one by sending a new one across so that was good just ashame the prodct is crap oh and once on the rollers showed no gain lol

dont fit the new one it will only do the same as the last did all the people i have read that have fitted these have all had issues

daves ibiza

27-09-2010, 20:04

what like you sold me a duff one:ban:. explained it was for my car and then was total wrong fitment for passats ect,

INA

27-09-2010, 20:31

This is just what I wanted.
I have notified 034 of this thread and hopefully they can write a formal statement. I am obviously not happy with the manifolds cracking , coated or uncoated.

csd_19

27-09-2010, 22:40

right click save as (2m pictures)

obvious cracks picture
http://badger-5.com/bin/ina-manifold/P3210394.JPG
http://badger-5.com/bin/ina-manifold/P3210389.JPG

internal material has detached from wall surface... next step past turbine, chink!
http://badger-5.com/bin/ina-manifold/P3210391.JPG
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this one drilled offset to port centres, resulting in difficult access to fixing nuts
http://badger-5.com/bin/ina-manifold-offset-drilled.jpg

Bill, same sort of cracks as seen on the crap ATP manifolds as well then.

Should really get the pics uploaded from my old ATP one, the one I replaced with one of these...

Forgot to say earlier that I had to grind the top side of the flange to get it onto the head.

ibizacupra

28-09-2010, 08:18

Forgot to say earlier that I had to grind the top side of the flange to get it onto the head.

yep, seen that too. thanks for reminding
Kinetic one cracked in very short time too, so ATP,034/INA,Kinetic all suffer cracking..
Only one manifold has'nt yet!

wild willy

28-09-2010, 09:54

ibizacupra

28-09-2010, 10:03

Because k03 turbo cars don't have an egt probe connectted to ecu for over heat protection, what sort of max egt temps do you think is causing problems for these manifolds ie more or less than 900 degrees.

std manifolds dont crack under same duty
they are sold as upgrades, and are less reliable than std in practice

INA

29-09-2010, 19:50

Only one manifold has'nt yet!Which manifold would that be Bill?

brwmogazos

29-09-2010, 20:33

I think the only one not mentioned yet is JBS.

ibizacupra

29-09-2010, 22:26

Which manifold would that be Bill?

JBS's

wild willy

30-09-2010, 07:19

If the manifold fails within 12 months of purchase do you guys have to pay the cost of delivery for the replacement unit. What happens after 12 months if a fault develops.

DaNnY_LaD

30-09-2010, 20:40

I had the old THS one on my Old k03s ibiza and that had some Real abuse over 12months and when i took it off it didnt have any cracks in....which was weird..

INA

01-10-2010, 22:15

If the manifold fails within 12 months of purchase do you guys have to pay the cost of delivery for the replacement unit. What happens after 12 months if a fault develops.
We will not pay the cost of delivery , only the replacement product.

We (INA) are working on a K03 manifold right now which will be investment casted. This cracking business has really opened my eyes as to the abuse these manifolds are getting.
I am willing to bet that it is due to the high profile that the bolt has to go through vs the OEM unit.
Whatever the case as of yesterday morning I am on it.

RichN

02-10-2010, 14:20

So whats the plan, INA? Will you be swapping my existing product (offset holes, cracked or not sealing properly, no idea HOW i'm going to remove it.. ) for the new one when it's ready?

westallc

02-10-2010, 19:53

did you not sell this product as a joint venture between you and o34 motorsport??????

ibizacupra

03-10-2010, 11:49

ibizacupra

03-10-2010, 11:51

We will not pay the cost of delivery , only the replacement product.

We (INA) are working on a K03 manifold right now which will be investment casted. This cracking business has really opened my eyes as to the abuse these manifolds are getting.
I am willing to bet that it is due to the high profile that the bolt has to go through vs the OEM unit.
Whatever the case as of yesterday morning I am on it.

We (034/you)?

question: k04 manifolds on pictures look too similar to the k03 ones in quality of casting terms... Same foundry? Same process? Thats one of my biggest concerns, that everything seen as problematic on k03 stuff is transferred onto the k04 one.

Can you answer this please?
thanks

IbizaAlex

03-10-2010, 12:24

So whats peoples experiences of the THS mani?

DaNnY_LaD

03-10-2010, 12:58

So whats peoples experiences of the THS mani?

i Extremely Highly rated mine and it had nothing but shear abuse over 12months and it didnt have any cracks what so ever....once it was fitted it never caused a problem..

Maybe mine was a Mutant one? lol...

RichN

11-10-2010, 20:35

Well, I managed to get my INA manifold off this weekend. Actually took the head off (to replace snapped bolt) and even with it on the floor, I had to use a modified socket to get two of the bolts off.

It's been on the car 5 months and driven only on 'stock' boost.. and yes, it's cracked around the bolt hole.

brwmogazos

12-10-2010, 04:29

So any updates from INA ?

INA

12-10-2010, 20:27

So whats the plan, INA? Will you be swapping my existing product (offset holes, cracked or not sealing properly, no idea HOW i'm going to remove it.. ) for the new one when it's ready?
If you can email me images of the faulty product , I will have 034 send you a replacement but as stated we will not be covering the shipping.
We (034/you)?

question: k04 manifolds on pictures look too similar to the k03 ones in quality of casting terms... Same foundry? Same process? Thats one of my biggest concerns, that everything seen as problematic on k03 stuff is transferred onto the k04 one.

Can you answer this please?
thanks
We as in INA....

As for the K04 manifolds - Thats why I wanted to test these manifolds before they were released to the public. The 2 - 3 people that purchased them direct from 034 will have to deal with 034 direct on that one.
Not sure what is the issue with metallurgy content of the manifold Bill as I didnt think this was the issue with the K03 manifolds. They all cracked in the same location which means there is a flaw with the design, NOT the metal itself. Maybe you know otherwise?
All of the K04 manifolds will be warrantied by me IF they do crack. So far there have been no issues to report and with the calico coating I think it is an added bonus.

So whats peoples experiences of the THS mani?
What I find funny is how THS manifold gets such a high review when its the same product....:lol:

brwmogazos

12-10-2010, 21:13

ibizacupra

12-10-2010, 21:30

If you can email me images of the faulty product , I will have 034 send you a replacement but as stated we will not be covering the shipping.

We as in INA....

As for the K04 manifolds - Thats why I wanted to test these manifolds before they were released to the public. The 2 - 3 people that purchased them direct from 034 will have to deal with 034 direct on that one.
Not sure what is the issue with metallurgy content of the manifold Bill as I didnt think this was the issue with the K03 manifolds. They all cracked in the same location which means there is a flaw with the design, NOT the metal itself. Maybe you know otherwise?
All of the K04 manifolds will be warrantied by me IF they do crack. So far there have been no issues to report and with the calico coating I think it is an added bonus.

What I find funny is how THS manifold gets such a high review when its the same product....:lol:

i hope the k04 ones work out, there is high demand for these, on s3's and lcr's, especially on the hybrids which are becoming very popular.

the k03 manifolds which i have seen have physically broken down and internal surface has degraded and fallen out in spots. the grain structure on the k03 ones to the new k04 one is quite different.. k04 one looking more oe structure. hoping this is a good thing, but only time and a number of units in service will tell.
be interesting to see what contribution a ceramic coating will do for the things.
fitment has seemed a little erratric on the few i have been shown and heard about.

comparison of k03 ths to 034/ina manifolds is a funny one.. the quality or machining and I have to also think the casting materials and process is likely just as erratic. some good, a lot not so. whichever foundry, where ever in the world it is (and it has to be a LCC) they seem inconsistent in their manufacture

INA

13-10-2010, 16:31

they seem inconsistent in their manufacture
Which is one of the major reasons I am moving away from this. I recieved a very helpful feedback email from a long standing customer on this board and it made me realise what offering these K03 manifolds to the community did for us....needless to say I am not happy with the outcome.

The K04 manifolds are made in Mexico incase you (and others) wanted to know. Id love to develop investment cast manifolds all day long but there is no market for it.
We would need at least 50-100 orders to make it happen and so far it isnt happening.

INA

13-10-2010, 16:32

So all of us with faulty K03s cracked manifolds will have to deal with 034 motorsport and get a replacement but once more WE will have to pay the shipping even though its a faulty product?

Shouldnt have bought a second one then :(
Some manifolds crack whereas others hold on for a long time. I will take care of you as I have done in the past so dont worry.

brwmogazos

13-10-2010, 16:40

Thought the INA scnet account was held by someone else... ;)

Then i dont have to worry ;)

INA

13-10-2010, 16:44

Thought the INA scnet account was held by someone else... ;)

Then i dont have to worry ;)
Only Tony does promotions....
i am still here:lol:

Hartosh1

17-10-2010, 20:09

My manifold which has cracked around the bolt hole aswell

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww179/Hartosh1/100_1154.jpg

What could yous offer me under the 12month warranty as i had the OEM manifold put back onto the car

MrNorma

18-10-2010, 12:11

Can i get a clear answer.

If the manifold if cracked due to a faulty product. Will this product be replace with another potentiality faulty product... or... will we get a revised product with the common fault fixed?

Cheers

westallc

18-10-2010, 15:42

there isnt a revised product

but sam is trying to do his own ina ones

2 different companys so money back would be the best deal

INA

19-10-2010, 00:01

there isnt a revised product

but sam is trying to do his own ina ones

2 different companys so money back would be the best deal
034 wont give money back so that isnt an option...

I am working on creating our own manifold that will be a replacement to what we have been offering. I am no longer selling these K03 manifolds to the public.

brwmogazos

19-10-2010, 05:15

So issam our best bet is to ask for a replacement part or something?
or exchange the value of the money with another product they sell?

or that is not an option?

Cheers

westallc

19-10-2010, 10:36

this just shows that people should think twice before buying products from across the pond!!!!!!!!!

there should have been two option

1. supply new one
( no point there all crap)

2. money back ( product not fit for market)

also sam i ask the q again did you not sell this to us with the sales speak of this is a product from ina and 034 joint venture????

INA

19-10-2010, 22:57

So issam our best bet is to ask for a replacement part or something?
or exchange the value of the money with another product they sell?

or that is not an option?

Cheers
If the part is faulty 034 will replace it.
this just shows that people should think twice before buying products from across the pond!!!!!!!!!

there should have been two option

1. supply new one
( no point there all crap)

2. money back ( product not fit for market)

also sam i ask the q again did you not sell this to us with the sales speak of this is a product from ina and 034 joint venture????
What does buying from across the pond have to do with anything mate? I am still here supporting the customers yes?
To be quite frank I have had no issues with selling these to the US customers....they have all been abroad. Regardless I am still supporting the customers and the K04 manifold was a joint venture between us & 034 thats why I wanted to make sure every manifold that ends up in the UK is ceramic coated and supported by me.

westallc

20-10-2010, 16:14

the reason its a problem sam is if the product is crap like the k03 mannifolds we as customers then have to pay for shipping yet again wich is wrong imo

if the products fails so quick like most have. They should offer 2 things a full refund or a replacement wich also means shipping it to us here in the uk

p.s so the k03 mannifold wasnt a joint venture then????

dont get me wrong sam you dealt with me very well and i thankyou for that but i still had to pay for shipping wich was a little annoying but thats life

hope that cleared up why i said the above buddy

brwmogazos

19-11-2010, 21:52

Any updates on this matter for us Issam?

wild willy

19-11-2010, 22:16

You'll still have to pay for shipping as i have just been hit with, which at $85 for a k04 manifold that lasted less than 1000 miles is a very very bitter pill to swallow. Not many manifolds will sell with this policy and failure rate.
If you bought the same product in this country and this happened you wouldn't be out of pocket as this shit simply wouldn't be tolerated. 034 /INA should only sell products fit for purpose and then when failures occur they will be so few and far between covering the shipping would be a formality.
People should learn from our misfortune and 034 need a kick up the arse to sort their products out and customer service.:(

INA

19-11-2010, 23:46

rsmith

20-11-2010, 01:40

ibizacupra

21-11-2010, 12:50

In all honesty though mate , we have not had any failures on the K04 manifold period thats why I was alarmed by this. Regardless, I am looking into a different material for the manifolds (SS) which will raise the cost but in the end i wont have to stumble upon threads of people saying we sell a shitty product.

Unfortunately have said conflicting/contradictory things issam.

in one breath you will not sell uncoated manifolds and in the next you are selling uncoated manifolds to people.

if the coating which you believe to be the thing which will make it reliable (something i do not believe personally) then why are 034 and you selling uncoated manifolds

egts are not the cause of this failure, it was one of the positive things seen when fitting the 034, was a visible reduction in temps over the stock oe manifold. afr's in the 12-12.5 region combined with this also.. not lean not high egts - but 2 different cracks in less than a month and 1000 miles.

irony now is the ported stock manifold back on wellys s3 is performing better than it did with the 034 one, but retains factory fitment and reliability (which is not 100% I know, but is'nt less than 1000 miles either)

for the 2 different cracks to appear in individual runners in different planes, i would ask why does this happen and what 034 think about it. failure to address this will be a big loss to those who have invested in its design...

INA

24-11-2010, 20:58

Unfortunately have said conflicting/contradictory things issam.
Unfortunately no Bill. Everything I have stated on this forum still remains very much accurate but thanks for trying to discredit us.

in one breath you will not sell uncoated manifolds and in the next you are selling uncoated manifolds to people.if the coating which you believe to be the thing which will make it reliable (something i do not believe personally) then why are 034 and you selling uncoated manifolds[
All the manifolds WE have tested were coated.Of the 20 manifolds that were made 14 were sent to me and 6 remained at 034. Of those 14 , 10 were Calico Coated , 1 was used for fitment purposes and 3 were uncoated.
Of the 10 Calico Coated manifolds, 5 were sent out for testing and they are still on running vehicles (even mine) UNCRACKED....one is on an Audi TT with an eliminator kit pushing the 8000 mile envelope.
Of the remaining 5 ....4 have been sold to customers in Europe and 1 remains in stock.
Of the remaining 3 uncoated manifolds , 2 are still in stock and 1 went to Willy.

034 has 3 manifolds left which they have been instructed to sell to no one.
Of ALL 20 manifolds, We have only had 1 reported failure .....this one.
Willy was given the option to receive a coated manifold at our cost which he requested to have it uncoated.

irony now is the ported stock manifold back on wellys s3 is performing better than it did with the 034 one, but retains factory fitment and reliability (which is not 100% I know, but is'nt less than 1000 miles either)
Bill,
You know this better than anyone as you were the first to have the inside scoop on this. I have spoken to Javad extensively about this today and we do appreciate what you have done here today but as I told Javad and I will post this here, I am not sure if you post what you post to HELP product development or push away companies like us from developing/selling products in the UK market.

Unless Welly's S3 OEM manifold was ported with some majic machine , I dont see how it could perform better than the manifold we supplied considering it is practically the same treatment.

As for WHY the logo was grinided off the manifold. Thats because it is a replacement. That is for ME to know which manifold you have.

Whatever the case, considering this is a joint effort between Javad & myself we are more than willing to work with you in getting a solution that meets YOUR Standards and as always the best way to get a hold of me is via email or telephone, NOT posting up a public reply and waiting for me to stumble across your thread. I dont check my forum everyday much less yours mate....

To any and all K04 High Flow manifold customers reading this. We are working on changing the material of the manifold and we will warranty any manifold that cracks.

INA

24-11-2010, 21:14

034 /INA should only sell products fit for purpose and then when failures occur they will be so few and far between covering the shipping would be a formality.
I tested the manifold for 6 months after getting pressured from folk on SCN to release it. I stood strong and said No....the product got released on here after someone in 034 sales went in the back room and itched for a quick sale.
Every product I have ever developed has stood up.We had a few issues with the oil pan's with respect to return lines but my belts, my billet parts , my internals....all held up fine. I do understand that you are upset over my service to you. Send me over an email of what you would like from me and I will work with you.

brwmogazos

25-11-2010, 05:30

Issam, what is the plan for us customers with cracked K03 high flow manifolds?

Did you get into somewhere with 034 for this?

Let me know buddy.

Thanks

INA

25-11-2010, 19:56

Issam, what is the plan for us customers with cracked K03 high flow manifolds?

Did you get into somewhere with 034 for this?

Let me know buddy.

Thanks
Dont worry I have you covered. As soon as the new K03 manifolds are done I will have one sent to you. It will be coming direct from me this time.

brwmogazos

25-11-2010, 20:37

Excellent then :)

INA

25-11-2010, 21:00

Excellent then :)
The same goes for everyone who bought a K03 manifold through me. I obviously want to instill some faith in whatever I sell so I think the K03 manifold was a good place to start.

Damoegan

25-11-2010, 21:10

What's the deal with the 'new' k03 mani, Sam? Is it exactly the same just with superior casting?

INA

29-11-2010, 20:51

What's the deal with the 'new' k03 mani, Sam? Is it exactly the same just with superior casting?
No
completely different design. I have found that the issue with all of these high flow manifolds is the fact that they use a large mounting bolt to support the turbocharger to the manifold. I changed this up in my design and it will be made from a very high Nickel content material.

id like to see this crack under any circumstances....

ibizacupra

29-11-2010, 22:05

Unfortunately no Bill. Everything I have stated on this forum still remains very much accurate but thanks for trying to discredit us.

All the manifolds WE have tested were coated.Of the 20 manifolds that were made 14 were sent to me and 6 remained at 034. Of those 14 , 10 were Calico Coated , 1 was used for fitment purposes and 3 were uncoated.
Of the 10 Calico Coated manifolds, 5 were sent out for testing and they are still on running vehicles (even mine) UNCRACKED....one is on an Audi TT with an eliminator kit pushing the 8000 mile envelope.
Of the remaining 5 ....4 have been sold to customers in Europe and 1 remains in stock.
Of the remaining 3 uncoated manifolds , 2 are still in stock and 1 went to Willy.

034 has 3 manifolds left which they have been instructed to sell to no one.
Of ALL 20 manifolds, We have only had 1 reported failure .....this one.
Willy was given the option to receive a coated manifold at our cost which he requested to have it uncoated.

Bill,
You know this better than anyone as you were the first to have the inside scoop on this. I have spoken to Javad extensively about this today and we do appreciate what you have done here today but as I told Javad and I will post this here, I am not sure if you post what you post to HELP product development or push away companies like us from developing/selling products in the UK market.

Unless Welly's S3 OEM manifold was ported with some majic machine , I dont see how it could perform better than the manifold we supplied considering it is practically the same treatment.

As for WHY the logo was grinided off the manifold. Thats because it is a replacement. That is for ME to know which manifold you have.

Whatever the case, considering this is a joint effort between Javad & myself we are more than willing to work with you in getting a solution that meets YOUR Standards and as always the best way to get a hold of me is via email or telephone, NOT posting up a public reply and waiting for me to stumble across your thread. I dont check my forum everyday much less yours mate....

To any and all K04 High Flow manifold customers reading this. We are working on changing the material of the manifold and we will warranty any manifold that cracks.

I was very much hoping the hi-flow k04 manifold was going to be the one... and its initial power gains were just as hoped for, and good.. Unfortunately the rest is history, and as seen. emails were sent Sam, so as soon as this was realised, it was reported.. The delay in response caused much frustration and looked like being ignored. (rightly or wrongly, thats how it looked) - The subsequent closer inspection of the failure yielded a number of issues, again as reported. The material of these 20 off is not suitable for the "sustained 900'c" use they will see in service. I am pleased to hear of a material change, but do also hope the foundrys process is also improved as there are clearly contaminants and inclusions in the cast. This will be a probable cause of failure no matter what the grade of material used next time. I hope you will be able to get their quality control improved in that respect, as it will cause everyone problems.

Where people will have concerns again, is the costs incurred in refiting a manifold which may fail, as on S3's in particular, its an arduous job, and entails head off.

I am pleased its being taken seriously now, it looked initially as it was being fobbed off, which did nothing other than wind up already very annoyed and frustrated people & the escellation that ensued until notice was taken.

As I said to 034 directly, the product if made to be reliable has a great market potential, and being very active currently in the k04 hybrid scene, its a winner if its holds together. Its proven it can contribute to 30bhp gain on a hybrid on wellys car. The ported k04 one, did not achieve the power when it hit the dyno, but logs made it look like it would, flowing the same g/s as before, but clearly not efficiently. some 600-800rpm less in spool up time, but the same 600-800rpm fall away of torque also.. hence it top end loss of power.

I still await 034 reply to my direct contact and hope to receive this shortly also..
The product has potential, but the first one here in the UK run on a hybrid to have the issue so soon, has made everyone wary, and will need quite some convincing to try another. Warrantys aside, its the other costs of fitting which are the worry, + incurred shipping costs of replacing things.. None of which end users will want to pay for.

over 2 you

INA

01-12-2010, 05:01

The delay in response caused much frustration and looked like being ignored. (rightly or wrongly, thats how it looked) - The subsequent closer inspection of the failure yielded a number of issues, again as reported.
Sorry if I or 034 is unavailable on weekends Bill. I commend you for working on weekends but We do have personal lives to attend you. I like to "unplug" if you know what I mean.

The material of these 20 off is not suitable for the "sustained 900'c" use they will see in service. I am pleased to hear of a material change, but do also hope the foundrys process is also improved as there are clearly contaminants and inclusions in the cast.
As stated in the email. I would agree with this IF i did not have one of these in my own personal car tested for Months now.

When the revised version come out , I am definately looking forward to your feedback now that I know it will be a public affair.:)

ibizacupra

01-12-2010, 11:29

I will gladly salute and endorse a quality product which does genuinely help achieve power gains and is reliable. It scores very high on the gains power aspect which is superb.. and the new cast material will hopefully tick the box on the second aspect.
looking forward to seeing it in action. It will concide with JBS's offering however on these timescales.

shills

13-04-2011, 17:42

Very interesting , whats happening with the guys getting a replacements ? Updated ones ?

brwmogazos

13-04-2011, 19:14

Yesterday i removed my second High flow manifold to install my new BT setup mani.

Unfortunately my manifold with just 5000Kms had already cracked in the exact same position as my first manifold :(

Thats al lot of money spent for 2 manifolds and installation costs wasted :(

I hope to receive my replacements so that i could sell them.

RichN

13-04-2011, 19:52

Best of luck selling them. I sold my old one to a scrap dealer.. I got £1.20

I gave up and bought the JBI cast manifold, which I installed while the head was off. Surprisingly easy like that :-)

I've since sold the car but I understand the new owner has a bigger turbo on it now.

brwmogazos

16-10-2011, 09:15

Any updates on these manifolds guys?

Anyone who had issues got a replacement or something?

Got 2 damaged ones.

Damoegan

16-10-2011, 17:52

Bill has posted pics of a cracked on already!!

brwmogazos

16-10-2011, 18:21

No i mean what happened to those who had theirs cracked.

Did they get a replacement one or something as its been like a year now since both of mine were damaged and no updates yet.

Damoegan

16-10-2011, 18:41

No i mean what happened to those who had theirs cracked.

Did they get a replacement one or something as its been like a year now since both of mine were damaged and no updates yet.

:redface: Sorry..

Thay should do, but I gues thats why your asking..

brwmogazos

17-10-2011, 17:05

well i am still waiting for a replacement.

I spent 600 dollars for the manifolds for my car and i have none working at the moment....

Hopefully someone will reply...

Damoegan

17-10-2011, 20:19

I seam to remember JBS dropping their sponsorship of SCN, therefore there not on here any more.

I could be wrong though..

INA

18-10-2011, 00:08

We dont have any updates at this time. Temporarily we have been hand porting OEM manifolds and Claico coating them but 034 has not supplied replacements to anyone (even us) and our own version is still month's out.

Hartosh1

18-10-2011, 00:46

Ive still got my cracked manifold, i know its been a while but is there any chance of some compensation :p?

Stephen

brwmogazos

18-10-2011, 07:13

Well i wouldnt mind receiving upgraded oem manifolds to be honest.

But that would be down to INA i suppose to give out some replacement ones.

Please keep us updated buddy.

westallc

26-10-2011, 19:07

well i am still waiting for a replacement.

I spent 600 dollars for the manifolds for my car and i have none working at the moment....

Hopefully someone will reply...

WTF still ongoing thats shocking !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shills

17-02-2012, 08:36

Any update on this ? Removed mine a couple of months ago due to cracking and being unfit for use, is it a just throw away and lesson learnt ,Pretty poor really

RichN

17-02-2012, 12:57

Any update on this ? Removed mine a couple of months ago due to cracking and being unfit for use, is it a just throw away and lesson learnt ,Pretty poor really

Lesson learned, piss poor product, got 90p for it at the scrappy.

rsmith

17-02-2012, 13:15

Wow, i am super suprised this is still going, like FFS.

INA

21-02-2012, 18:28

Wow, i am super suprised this is still going, like FFS.
Still going? The thread was bumped from a year ago ....
Would you rather we lock the thread and act like it didn't exist? A few people that opted for it received a ported OEM manifold that was coated.
We have not sold any of the K03 high flow manifolds from 034 Motorsport since 2010 and dont plan on selling anymore non high nickel quality cast manifolds.

Nothing more to discuss really.

rsmith

21-02-2012, 18:36

Nothing more to discuss really.

Well the thread suggests people are still waiting for replacements, and the the thread bump wasn't a year ago, it was only a few months back, word play bs.

shills

21-02-2012, 18:39

Still going? The thread was bumped from a year ago ....
Would you rather we lock the thread and act like it didn't exist? A few people that opted for it received a ported OEM manifold that was coated.
We have not sold any of the K03 high flow manifolds from 034 Motorsport since 2010 and dont plan on selling anymore non high nickel quality cast manifolds.

Nothing more to discuss really.

Not really bump from a year ago try four months I replied 10 months ago waiting for a reply from ina , but I guess I have it now(only waited 10 months for your reply) , bin it. but pretty poor mine lasted just over a year till I noticed the crack , god knows how long it had been there. Just a poor product.

INA

22-02-2012, 17:09

Just a poor product.
And that is why we pulled it and opened this thread.
This thread is to show 034 what there product is doing to the community.

wilz

23-02-2012, 15:21

I would also care to add that i had removed mine due to it being cracked. Had to port a standard manifold and i appearsto be holding up for the past 9 month. I never received any compensation? or a replacement? so what is the deal here, are new ones being released to replace my cracked one. I can provide photos if needed the cracking is quite substantial? I have been looking alot of your products as of late, but i am put off with this rubbish manifold and the after sales service.

INA

24-02-2012, 00:33

Ok
thanks everyone for your input.

wilz

24-02-2012, 10:29

Not wanting to sound cheeky, but am i not getting a reply as to what will happen with the manifold?

INA

24-02-2012, 23:29

Not wanting to sound cheeky, but am i not getting a reply as to what will happen with the manifold?
When they are done , all the damaged units will be replaced. As it stands right now we are still waiting on 034.

wilz

27-02-2012, 10:28

Thankyou, will await word on the new manifolds.